From santcooper at aol.com Sun Jul 1 00:23:00 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 00:35:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <8C989AEA4A22FFB-690-AD95@FWM-R14.sysops.aol.com> While things begin to congeal,in some respects.(an awakened alumni raising funds in record amounts should organize in a manner that recognizes its interests to see that money spent according to its own priorities)There are questions however,should the College close,whether the Alumni will in equal numbers "feel" related to a new institution bearing the Antioch name (I do not sense any loyalty from my peers for the University that bears that name)Just because it happens to occupy the Yellowsprings campus recently "cleansed" of its continuity of Faculty,Students and Staff .Steve Lawry's idea of independence from the board has reverberated unanimously in all I have heard from.We heard him say that the new board should be composed of the principal college donors,and it is repeated here that Steve's experience is Foundation work.My point is that we Alumni should be concerned.Toni and Steve,the board they appoint,the faculty they hire,the curriculum they approve?If we chose now to break with our past path which Arthur Morgan set us upon who is the Person of Great Vision who will guide us?Steve? Toni?The Bot and its expert schmexperts who brought us their Great Renewal Plan .I have heard the words spoken here "core faculty" does that mean what exactly? Tenured? The Alumni should take their money and open their mouths.We need a significant say as to This Vision Thing.And though none of us relish the idea of attaching the endowment,is it not priceless to us for the sake of continuity to" culture" the Antioch to be at any cost with something of The Past?If the College closes,the Powers that then be will not I believe risk disenfranchising us .If its limited to reasonable requests that we can agree to strongly support,and backed by our increased level of support it is I believe achievable.And if that whale drops from the sky,opens its mouth and drops 40 million,so much the better! Sc 76' ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From santcooper at aol.com Sun Jul 1 00:36:33 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 00:49:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Oops I forgot the Subject Message-ID: <8C989B0899D12A9-690-ADDA@FWM-R14.sysops.aol.com> While things begin to congeal,in some respects.(an awakened alumni raising funds in record amounts should organize in a manner that recognizes its interests to see that money spent according to its own priorities)There are questions however,should the College close,whether the Alumni will in equal numbers "feel" related to a new institution bearing the Antioch name (I do not sense any loyalty from my peers for the University that bears that name) just because it happens to occupy the Yellowsprings campus recently "cleansed" of its continuity of Faculty,Students and Staff .Steve Lawry's idea of independence from the board has reverberated unanimously in all I have heard from.We heard him say that the new board should be composed of the principal college donors,and it is repeated here that Steve's experience is Foundation work.My point is that we Alumni should be concerned.Toni and Steve,the board they appoint,the faculty they hire,the curriculum they approve?If we chose now to break with our past path which Arthur Morgan set us upon who is the Person of Great Vision who will guide us?Steve? Toni?The Bot and its expert schmexperts who brought us their Great Renewal Plan .I have heard the words spoken here "core faculty" does that mean what exactly? Tenured? The Alumni should take their money and open their mouths.We need a significant say as to This Vision Thing.And though none of us relish the idea of attaching the endowment,is it not priceless to us for the sake of continuity to" culture" the Antioch to be at any cost with something of The Past?If the College closes,the Powers that then be will not I believe risk disenfranchising us .If its limited to reasonable requests that we can agree to strongly support,and backed by our increased level of support it is I believe achievable.And if that whale drops from the sky,opens its mouth and drops 40 million,so much the better! Sc 76' ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jredhead at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 01:59:24 2007 From: jredhead at comcast.net (jredhead) Date: Sun Jul 1 02:11:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Message from Athena References: <449333.78509.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e101c7bba4$fa2b7090$21610818@yourtosc5zh62c> I agree with Dan Gediman. We need a coordinator. It seems that this alumni chat list is mainly for the purpose of everyone posting their opinions as often as they feel like it, and not for coming to a working plan. I haven't checked it out yet, but it seems like the antiochians.org site might be a good place for actual effort and progress.. And please, people, keep these posts short and readable! I know we all want to put our own opinions in, but reading posts that are pages long leads to me (and probably many others) not reading them at all. Jeanne Papish '81 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Hush" To: "Alumni Chat List" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Message from Athena > That would be the responsibility of: > The External Communications Group/Committee/Council , > a Subgroup of the Communications Group/Committee/Council. > > We are coming together at this moment, > trying to figure out the best way(s) to stay in touch. > > > PeacEdward Trippel 92, CG 92-3 > > > "Frederick, Athena - Registrar (fredera)" wrote: > Dan, Glad to hear from you! We are working on it right now. Please note > we will have a list of contact people for committee areas with subgroups > of main people who will be handling these areas. We already have a number > of distribution lists developed and this will hopefully relieve some of > our mailboxes. > > We are conference calling tomorrow night the communication group to > organize and finalize to update the antiochians.org hopefully by Saturday > We plan to update frequently about meetings, press releases and > coordination of names that have volunteered. We have folks monitoring > digest collecting email and interest area. We have a working draft for > overall committee contact list and we hope to have things in place by next > week as a start. > > Please send items to the names that will be posted and we will coordinate > the efforts that come up. Keep up the communication and keep > pressing.... > > Yours truly in the fight, Athena > > ________________________________ > > From: Dan Gediman [mailto:dan@thisibelieve.org] > Sent: Thu 6/28/2007 3:08 PM > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Spokesperson > > > > Folks, > > Dan Gediman here with my first posting to this list. Forgive me if this > has > been covered before. Is there a single media spokesperson for the alums > yet > selected. I think it has been extremely important for the faculty to speak > in one voice through Dimi Reber. I believe we need our own Dimi. Speaking > as > a member of the media, I suppose (I produce shows for public radio), I > think > we would be most effective in getting our alternative message out (e.g. > "The > college isn't closing yet; the alums/faculty/YSO residents are banding > together like nobody's business to keep it open and thriving") if we have > a > single person doing that various interviews with the media. I think Athena > would be terrific at this and seems to already be at the helm of the > communications committee. > > That's my 2-cents worth on the subject. > > Best, > > Dan > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > ONE DREAM > > ONE MIND > > ONE HEART > > ONE PEOPLE > > POWER IS THE PEOPLE > > POWER IS THE IMAGINATION > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 07:28:32 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 07:40:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Message-ID: Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. Stephanie 1989 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowan Kaiser To: J. Greg Williams Cc: Save Antioch Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. Rowan On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. -g _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org From millhaven28 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:09:50 2007 From: millhaven28 at hotmail.com (ginger lines) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:22:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Message-ID: Stephanie, The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to the theatre director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the Record. My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time for the event your planning? >From: "Stephanie Scott" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: ,"alumni chat List" > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? > >I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >Stephanie > >1989 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rowan Kaiser >To: J. Greg Williams >Cc: Save Antioch >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > >That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >Rowan > > >On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: > The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the > fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a > massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. > > -g > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 09:17:15 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:29:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, who came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now moved on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember her name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily to go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. Help, somebody! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginger lines" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > Stephanie, > The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > the theatre > director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > Record. > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > for the event your planning? > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>To: ,"alumni chat List" >> >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >> >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >> >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >> >>Stephanie >> >>1989 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rowan Kaiser >>To: J. Greg Williams >>Cc: Save Antioch >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >> >> >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >> >>Rowan >> >> >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >> >> -g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SaveAntioch mailing list >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From olenick at valueinnovation.net Sun Jul 1 09:34:48 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Sun Jul 1 09:47:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> References: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: <000101c7bbe4$98a9f040$6501a8c0@michaelo> Amy Trumpeter? M. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Stephanie Scott Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:17 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, who came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now moved on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember her name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily to go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. Help, somebody! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginger lines" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > Stephanie, > The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > the theatre > director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > Record. > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > for the event your planning? > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>To: ,"alumni chat List" >> >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >> >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >> >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >> >>Stephanie >> >>1989 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rowan Kaiser >>To: J. Greg Williams >>Cc: Save Antioch >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >> >> >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >> >>Rowan >> >> >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >> >> -g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. org >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SaveAntioch mailing list >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochian s.org >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From ccary60 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:51:28 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:03:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton daily News Sunday Message-ID: Antioch explains deferred payments, jump in expenses Questions about the college's finances have emerged after closing announcement. Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen By Stephanie Irwin Gottschlich Staff Writer Sunday, July 01, 2007 YELLOW SPRINGS ? Additional financial details provided by Antioch University last week shows that 2005-06 total compensation for two administrators included one-time deferred compensation of around $200,000 each. The university's accountant also explained how a portion of the university's overall expenses jumped 66 percent between fiscal years 2004-05 and 2005-06. The new information clarified compensation and benefits reported on 2005 tax documents for Tulisse Murdock, university chancellor, and Barbara Gellman-Danley, president of Antioch University McGregor. Total compensation listed in the tax documents for Murdock for 2005-06, and cited by the "Dayton Daily News" last week, as $486,377 included deferred compensation of $264,000. Gellman-Danley's $399,328 total compensation recorded that year included $198,534 in deferred compensation. The deferred compensation is a one-time, lump sum "sabbatical payment" payable when either administrator leaves the university and was not pocketed that year by the two administrators, according to Mary Lou LaPierre, vice chancellor for advancement. The deferred compensation package comes from a sabbatical pay policy for administrators approved by the Board of Trustees during a time when the university experienced high turnover of its campus presidents, LaPierre said. "The policy said that after seven years, administrators could be eligible for the sabbatical and pay," LaPierre said. "They needed to stay seven years to get it, and then they could get it." The deferred compensation sabbatical policy was eliminated in February this year, LaPierre said. She could not recall when the policy was instituted. No other administrators have received the deferred compensation. Antioch University's five other campus presidents began employment in 2003 at the earliest. Murdock has worked for the university for 10 years as president of the Seattle campus and acting chancellor prior to becoming chancellor this year. Gellman-Danley has served as president of McGregor for eight years. Steven Lawry has been president of Antioch College since January 2006. Also, a 66 percent increase in expenses in 2005-06 over 2004-05, incorrectly identified last week by the "Dayton Daily News" as overall salaries, was an increase in management and general expenses. The increase from $5.5 million in 2004 to $9.18 million in 2005 was attributed to the university "writing off a large pledge we decided was no longer viable," said university accountant Virginia Dowse. The pledge was a little over $1 million, according to Dowse. An increase in the number of administrators on the payroll also was a factor, "and lots of other little things," Dowse said. Questions about university finances have emerged among alumni and faculty since the university's board of trustees voted earlier this month to close Antioch College because it had run out of money. University administrators say the college's deficit, which had been subsidized for years by the university's other campuses, had grown too large for the other campuses to support. Contact this reporter at (937) 225-7404 or sirwin@DaytonDailyNews.com. The charts, which do not appear, included Lawry's base salary $192,180, benefits $23,328 and expense account $4,200 = $219,708 Total Compensation From ccary60 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 09:53:43 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:06:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial Message-ID: Our view: Secrecy wasn't going to save Antioch College Another view: Maybe time has come to give up on Antioch, a once worthy institution Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen Sunday, July 01, 2007 One of the more remarkable statements made in the wake of the announcement of Antioch College's closing was by President Steven Lawry. He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus that the decision was coming was that he didn't know. The fact that no public warning was given has added to the anger of students, faculty, alumni and the community. It is hard to understand. Sure, everybody knew that things were going badly. But interested people reasonably expect that explicit warnings will be issued, so that, for example, an emergency fund-raising campaign might be launched, or that other rescue plans can be entertained. Try to imagine similar problems at a public university or college. So much more would have been known, as the result of public filings of financial information and public trustee meetings. There would have been much more communication and "process." For Antioch ? so associated with insistence on power for the people ? to be accused of being closed off and secretive is an irony that has been much and appropriately noted. In the wake of the news-making announcement, a lot of criticisms are being made about the way the university is structured and run. Some resonate. The final authority is a board that runs a far-flung university system but meets only a few times a year for a few days. Antioch College itself has no board, and the college president doesn't report directly to the university board, but to a chancellor. So there are lots of factors fostering separation between the board and the college. On top of all that, and because things have been going poorly, there's been an awful lot of turnover. That, in turn, causes a lot of problems, sometimes leaving people feeling they can't even get a good explanation for why a policy exists. And there is conflicting information. These days, for example, one gets different information about enrollment trends, depending upon whom one talks to. A couple of years ago, the board instituted a change in the academic structure of the college that was designed to increase enrollment but was followed by a sudden enrollment drop. (The change eliminated traditional academic departments in a fairly radical approach to interdisciplinary education.) There's dispute about how much input the faculty had in this decision, and about whether the reform was simply enacted too fast. What's clear is that the board has ultimate responsibility. One might ? in other circumstances ? have expected heads to roll. They didn't, although some trustees have now offered to leave, in the wake of the latest news. The anger of faculty members and alumni about the closing might be shrugged off as typical Antioch stuff, the acting out of self-styled rebels. In fact, though, people have questions and complaints that would arise even if the Antiochians were a bunch of Republicans. The world beyond Antioch likes to talk about other factors that allegedly brought about its demise. Extreme politics; extreme political correctness. Fine. That discussion needs to be had within the Antioch community. Did a determination to question authority devolve into a prohibition against questioning the dissidents? A lot of knowledgeable people think so, and think that the culture impacted the school's attractiveness to students and faculty. Meanwhile, though, some nuts-and-bolts issues need to be confronted, too. There are good ways and bad ways to structure and administer colleges. Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. From Hopita at aol.com Sun Jul 1 10:41:49 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 10:54:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums Message-ID: In a message dated 7/1/2007 9:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lj_notify@livejournal.com writes: People in the southeast, please check in. We will determine locations. Ginger millhaven28@hotmail.com P.S. I'll be in Savannah next week. Are there any alums near there? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Sun Jul 1 10:48:53 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:00:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> References: <,> <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: Amy Trompetter. Check her webpage www.barnard.edu/theatre/amy.html Bob Alumni Chat List on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at 9:17 AM -0500 wrote: >Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, >who >came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now >moved >on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember >her >name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE >85-86. >Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, >and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily >to >go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > >Help, somebody! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ginger lines" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > >> Stephanie, >> The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - >son >> of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a >conservative >> guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps >he >> would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I >> think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to >> the theatre >> director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking >> of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the >> Record. >> My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a >day >> we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time >> for the event your planning? >> >>>From: "Stephanie Scott" >>>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>>To: ,"alumni chat List" >>> >>>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 >>> >>>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? >>> >>>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a >long >>>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have >good >>>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre >professor >>>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >>>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. >>> >>>Stephanie >>> >>>1989 >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rowan Kaiser >>>To: J. Greg Williams >>>Cc: Save Antioch >>>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >>> >>> >>>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students >get >>>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. >>> >>>Rowan >>> >>> >>>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: >>> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the >>> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a >>> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. >>> >>> -g >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SaveAntioch mailing list >>> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SaveAntioch mailing list >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from >> Microsoft Office Live >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr From alanbenard at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 10:49:27 2007 From: alanbenard at comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:01:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial Message-ID: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> The DDN Editorial wrote: >Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in 10-foot-high letters. RESIGN! Toni, resign. Alan Benard, '92 From thaddeusrussell at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:50:15 2007 From: thaddeusrussell at gmail.com (Thaddeus Russell) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:02:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: <2842AFC0839E47989B89B8DF3B42C4E9@Stephanie> Message-ID: <44649f1d0707010750r426548acrcfc0583507b6ce39@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I promise: it was my former colleague at Barnard, Amy Trompetter. On 7/1/07, Robert Devine wrote: > > Amy Trompetter. Check her webpage www.barnard.edu/theatre/amy.html > > Bob > > Alumni Chat List on Sunday, July 1, 2007 at > 9:17 AM -0500 wrote: > >Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman I am thinking of, > >who > >came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie Eagleson - she has now > >moved > >on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me that I can't remember > >her > >name. The production too place some time in either 88-89, or MAYBE > >85-86. > >Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread & Puppet for a while, > >and her presence with the theatre department inspired people like Emily > >to > >go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > > > >Help, somebody! > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ginger lines" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM > >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > > > > >> Stephanie, > >> The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - > >son > >> of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a > >conservative > >> guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps > >he > >> would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I > >> think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to > >> the theatre > >> director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking > >> of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the > >> Record. > >> My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a > >day > >> we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time > >> for the event your planning? > >> > >>>From: "Stephanie Scott" > >>>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >>>To: ,"alumni chat List" > >>> > >>>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >>> > >>>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? > >>> > >>>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a > >long > >>>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have > >good > >>>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre > >professor > >>>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of > >>>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >>> > >>>Stephanie > >>> > >>>1989 > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: Rowan Kaiser > >>>To: J. Greg Williams > >>>Cc: Save Antioch > >>>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >>> > >>> > >>>That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students > >get > >>>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >>> > >>>Rowan > >>> > >>> > >>>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: > >>> The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the > >>> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a > >>> massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. > >>> > >>> -g > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SaveAntioch mailing list > >>> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>> > >>> > > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>SaveAntioch mailing list > >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>> > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >>>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >>>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from > >> Microsoft Office Live > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > Robert H. Devine > College Professor > Antioch College > Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 > > Our lives begin to end > the day we become silent > about things that matter" > > - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:51:06 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:03:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Austin Chapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Austin Tx chapter will meet for the 1st time Thursday @ cafe mundi at 7pm. Thats on east 5th st. Still need a contact list ---g '97 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:53:21 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:05:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> Message-ID: >From: alanbenard@comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:49:27 +0000 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc7-f15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 07:49:31 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FFC6054426;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:01:53 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net >[206.18.177.55])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFED6054406for >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:01:50 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from amailcenter07.comcast.net ([204.127.225.107])by comcast.net >(alnrmhc15) with SMTPid <20070701144927b1500cf332e>; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >14:49:28 +0000 >Received: from [68.40.86.218] by amailcenter07.comcast.net;Sun, 01 Jul 2007 >14:49:27 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41OFZeVYz4VFvHg5Qs1pOXJt8S+8hhcGtQcjaCKS3dCLmUG3HUp37xh >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) >X-Authenticated-Sender: YWxhbmJlbmFyZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 14:49:31.0488 (UTC) >FILETIME=[08578600:01C7BBEF] > >The DDN Editorial wrote: > > >Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. > >Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle >Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in >10-foot-high letters. > >RESIGN! Toni, resign. > >Alan Benard, '92 Resign!... oh and give us the $400,000 back okaythxbye. Seriously what is she Ken Lay's sister? Bonuses are for people who succeed. _________________________________________________________________ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 10:54:44 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:07:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There are a number of people in Asheville... Shawn, wanna step up? "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Hopita@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Goodnews@w3.antioch.edu, >Antioch92@groups.msn.com,AntiochAlumni@yahoogroups.com, >saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org,alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >CC: dana.felty@savannahnow.com >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: looking to orgnize Southern Alums Date: Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 10:41:49 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc11-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 07:41:56 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 15334605431C;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:54:17 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB2F60542F7;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Hopita@aol.comby imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id >w.d61.c242b58 (39952);Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt2f/hTa2FKMS04fpMtuhsSLyzJiQMaLVUCuL0mcDsEUkE/dbVKqhUE7 >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 14:41:56.0335 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F90CAFF0:01C7BBED] > > > >In a message dated 7/1/2007 9:43:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >lj_notify@livejournal.com writes: > >People in the southeast, please check in. We will determine locations. >Ginger >millhaven28@hotmail.com > >P.S. I'll be in Savannah next week. Are there any alums near there? > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From moloney at pobox.com Sun Jul 1 11:06:27 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:18:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amy Trompetter. Last I heard she was teaching at Barnard with Denny Partridge. Anyone checked in with Louise Smith, who is running the theatre dept (and has been for years now)? She's got wicked connections of her own. - beth 95 On Jul 1, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Stephanie Scott wrote: > Also, who was the theatre professor in the late 1980s who did the > amazing stuff with puppetry (House of Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those > guys could add a lot. > > Stephanie > > 1989 From jonahliebert at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 11:31:55 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:44:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tells us.... Message-ID: As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there that rubs me the wrong way. "Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to teach at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan intend to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece on character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an Antioch education is about. This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is about and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. Jonah Liebert '03 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 11:34:08 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 11:46:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Jonah Liebert" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org >tellsus.... >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:31:55 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc9-f20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 08:31:59 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EA3605467A;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:44:20 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com >[209.85.132.248])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C377605466Bfor >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so334005anafor >; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:31:56 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.32.1 with SMTP id f1mr3232232anf.1183303915849;Sun, 01 >Jul 2007 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.12.9 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41nYY6LChzxzuHvFXdseyJnGAzD65+jmtVigdP767WwjGvnY6Waoiyg >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=UVPMuSzsR3tuFKVVL23VhZhnttmB60c3DWdv7RrZLjVokClKmdG0yhytfNP968x+5FXI6mrwOy+JptJLIRYfYx0P7n1x0IdL7XMJmruQkyfrff6U429XE9iNO7jOWIf4uz8XC/pMv/mJY7PYd2p9Aa15vewgcIgrses1KmQvVlI= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=BLlyfsKphYxkjdCW2v/iSWyWw7+1zYGDc/1u0fj3qVLyLfEPwXGId1pWPsPa8ab5x7dPgV/ETK58MesyNpBSpPVL+laKvJKF8fHzeN+qOyvnvXJL7YVubUKhJ4+eGRISvAIHCgYC31ObWW/Itin6BPXg35gC3VQeRot+rUSHxMU= >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 15:31:59.0725 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F735A1D0:01C7BBF4] > >As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which >is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what >Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice >piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there >that rubs me the wrong way. > >"Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional >conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." > >I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an >Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a >huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and >challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in >absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that >actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a >particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts >education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and >foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to teach >at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of >prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about >curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan >intend >to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? > >I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece >on >character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an >Antioch education is about. > >This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken >record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is >about >and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. > >Jonah Liebert '03 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From robinsimons at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 11:47:43 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:00:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: <000101c7bbe4$98a9f040$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <919870.55382.qm@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> no... I know who you mean.... She was my theater 1 teacher..... short dark hair with a little grey, tough as nails, very serious.... --- Michael Olenick wrote: > Amy Trumpeter? > > M. > > > ----------------- > Michael Olenick > Tel: 561-649-0962 > Mobile: 561-699-5056 > olenick@valueinnovation.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On > Behalf Of Stephanie Scott > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:17 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > > Hi! No, it wasn't Dal or Jim Rose; this was a woman > I am thinking of, who > came to Antioch about the same time as Dennie > Eagleson - she has now moved > on to some east coast college and it is KILLING me > that I can't remember her > name. The production too place some time in either > 88-89, or MAYBE 85-86. > Anyway it was brilliant - she had worked with Bread > & Puppet for a while, > and her presence with the theatre department > inspired people like Emily to > go on the Bread and Puppet later on, I think. > > Help, somebody! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ginger lines" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > > > > Stephanie, > > The professor in the 80s who was involved with > puppetry was Jim Rose - son > > > of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim > was quite a conservative > > > guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward > Antioch, but perhaps he > > > would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who > did Bernarda Allba? I > > think of that production often, and in fact , > recently, mentioned it to > > the theatre > > director at the arts school where I work. The > production I am thinking > > of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the > arts write-up for the > > Record. > > My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace > Mann's speach, as a day > > we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this > would be a good time > > for the event your planning? > > > >>From: "Stephanie Scott" > > >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >>To: ,"alumni > chat List" > >> > >>Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch > College Fest! > >>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >> > >>Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson > (1989?)? > >> > >>I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet > Theatre in VT for a long > >>time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical > events, may have good > >>contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who > was the theatre professor > > >>in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with > puppetry (House of > >>Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >> > >>Stephanie > >> > >>1989 > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Rowan Kaiser > >>To: J. Greg Williams > >>Cc: Save Antioch > >>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM > >>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > >> > >> > >>That's also at roughly the same time as the new > and returning students get > > >>in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >> > >>Rowan > >> > >> > >>On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams > wrote: > >> The theater department helps put on a pretty > large blues fest in the > >> fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave > Chappelle. Having a > >> massive fund raising event at the same time may > be good synergy. > >> > >> -g > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SaveAntioch mailing list > >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >> > >> > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. > org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SaveAntioch mailing list > >>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochian > s.org > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other > great prizes from > > Microsoft Office Live > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - > Release Date: 6/30/2007 > 3:10 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From dodioflo at mindspring.com Sun Jul 1 12:04:41 2007 From: dodioflo at mindspring.com (dodioflo@mindspring.com) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:17:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 Message-ID: <30904459.1183305881976.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The were two theatre professors who came to Antioch in 1987 and they were Amy Trumpeter(bread and puppet) and Dennie Partridge. Dennie stage "Radical Surgery" as the first show in the newly restored amphitheater, I performed in that, as did Doug Grew, Greta Schwerner and a whole host of others. Amy brought much to the campus with her background in Bread and Puppet. This was my last year at Antioch, I graduated in 87. Jim Rose was here my first year but left. It was the theatre building that became the experience of self governance for the people I ended up hanging out with. We took it over and ran it ourselves for three years as we awaited a new faculty hire. All of the friendships I made during those three years still exist today, and we all have worked on various projects with each other over the years. An amazing and vital time which still informs my connection to Antioch today and the fuels the passion I feel for the institution. Be ashamed to let it die. Casselli '87 -----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu >Sent: Jul 1, 2007 9:29 AM >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 > >Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." From ilse1 at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 12:12:20 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:24:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial References: <070120071449.22772.4687BEF70007AB5A000058F422165514060B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006101c7bbfa$9aba30a0$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Better yet, flood Toni with letters bearing this message. Ilse Moon '53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "alanbenard@pobox.com" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial > The DDN Editorial wrote: > >>Antioch University has not done well by Antioch College. > > Put this on a tee-shirt. Fly this on a banner behind a plane over Hassle > Castle during the BoT October meeting. Burn it into the front lawn in > 10-foot-high letters. > > RESIGN! Toni, resign. > > Alan Benard, '92 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 7/1/2007 > 12:19 PM > > From beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:17:47 2007 From: beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com (Becky Klein) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:30:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Fest In-Reply-To: <20070701132923.B90186053E4D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <300359.78430.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When thinking about a party/festival we have to be realistic about how much money we are expecting to make. In my experience of planning events and fundraisers, unless you have a big name draw and I mean really big name (i.e. like a Dave Chappelle's Block Party), the amount of money that goes into putting an event on that will actually make a substantial amount would require a substantial amount of money to be put up front already. Throwing a festival/large event requires staff, security, clean up, etc., which all costs money. I think ideas like this are great, it's just been my experience that throwing an event without a realistic projection of how much money you will make often ends up being a let down when you realize, the time, energy and money you put into the event and how much you actually made. I think that successful events/fundraisers are often those, like the AIDS walks/bike rides, dance a thons and the like that require participants to get sponsored in order to participate. These usually raise a tremendous amount of money and are also events that can get funding for event planners and the like. Other events that I have participated in are art auctions. Many well known artists are often willing to donate a piece of work for a good cause. Silent auctions are also good where you can get local business people to donate, free meals, gift certifcates, etc. This is something that might be really successful if each alumni group does in their city, or town. just my 2 cents. becky klein 97' --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 12:18:19 2007 From: beckyklein94609 at yahoo.com (Becky Klein) Date: Sun Jul 1 12:30:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Fest In-Reply-To: <20070701132923.B90186053E4D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <91159.13671.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When thinking about a party/festival we have to be realistic about how much money we are expecting to make. In my experience of planning events and fundraisers, unless you have a big name draw and I mean really big name (i.e. like a Dave Chappelle's Block Party), the amount of money that goes into putting an event on that will actually make a substantial amount would require a substantial amount of money to be put up front already. Throwing a festival/large event requires staff, security, clean up, etc., which all costs money. I think ideas like this are great, it's just been my experience that throwing an event without a realistic projection of how much money you will make often ends up being a let down when you realize, the time, energy and money you put into the event and how much you actually made. I think that successful events/fundraisers are often those, like the AIDS walks/bike rides, dance a thons and the like that require participants to get sponsored in order to participate. These usually raise a tremendous amount of money and are also events that can get funding for event planners and the like. Other events that I have participated in are art auctions. Many well known artists are often willing to donate a piece of work for a good cause. Silent auctions are also good where you can get local business people to donate, free meals, gift certifcates, etc. This is something that might be really successful if each alumni group does in their city, or town. just my 2 cents. becky klein 97' --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. From totally at svaha.com Sun Jul 1 12:51:17 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:04:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Hookup and "cross posting" issues... In-Reply-To: <001401c7bb36$ae0834f0$0a189ed0$@net> References: <001401c7bb36$ae0834f0$0a189ed0$@net> Message-ID: I believe the Board of Trustees have spent all the trust they may have had. I for one, have no faith that the college will re-open in 2012 if we allow it to close. There are too many things pieces that would get dropped if it does. The Board has spent about as much time thinking about the plan to re-open it as they did about the plan to close it down. (That would be very little for those keeping score). Working with the BoT hasn't been very productive for the College over the past 15 years and has now resulted in it's impending closure. The alumni and their representatives on the alumni board are committed to preventing the closure of the College. I believe the trust is in those trying to keep it alive as evidenced by the increasing influx of money. my $.02 J. Greg Williams On Jun 30, 2007, at 12:49 PM, E. Daniel Ayres wrote: > Our need to ?hammer out? issues requires time which will allow the > BoT and Antioch University administrators to proceed as they have > planned. One alternative is to work with/through them to insure > that the commitment to reopen is kept. My $.02 From dawn at mediawonk.com Sun Jul 1 13:01:07 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:13:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with Callie. This is why I've suggested we move this discussion elsewhere. While we can't keep the government out of our planning-we can keep it away from the University by using other channels. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you :) -Dawn '83 On 6/30/07 2:30 PM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > I strongly suspect that there is an effort our there either by campus > administrators and/or university spin doctors to get students from > other Antioch campuses, including the PhD program (see Chronicle), to > write to local and national media expressing their support for the BoT > in closing Antioch College. > > Also: > > WARNING: The Bush administration through the NSC may be monitoring our > e-mails. Make no mistake about it, so is the Antioch University > administration. > > The stakes here are high for the health of the entire university. > > Callie Cary '84 > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 13:24:14 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 13:36:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let them watch. They are loosing. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Dawn Scribner >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Paranoia? and "observations" >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:01:07 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc11-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 10:01:11 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2596054A5B;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net(smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net >[64.202.165.192])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE486054A4Ffor >; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:13:30 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 1373 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2007 17:01:07 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO >smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net)(64.202.165.99)by >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP;1 Jul 2007 17:01:07 >-0000 >Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2007 17:01:06 -0000 >Received: from unknown (76.103.24.20)by >smtpauth05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.99) with ESMTP;01 Jul >2007 17:01:06 -0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43hmEhgIpOaOfEd5Vzo3SFurczK6p07EGUAMNb0MiYSOxX4ue70uid+ >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 17:01:11.0840 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6D519200:01C7BC01] > >I agree with Callie. This is why I've suggested we move this discussion >elsewhere. While we can't keep the government out of our planning-we can >keep it away from the University by using other channels. > >Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you :) > >-Dawn '83 > > >On 6/30/07 2:30 PM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > > > I strongly suspect that there is an effort our there either by campus > > administrators and/or university spin doctors to get students from > > other Antioch campuses, including the PhD program (see Chronicle), to > > write to local and national media expressing their support for the BoT > > in closing Antioch College. > > > > Also: > > > > WARNING: The Bush administration through the NSC may be monitoring our > > e-mails. Make no mistake about it, so is the Antioch University > > administration. > > > > The stakes here are high for the health of the entire university. > > > > Callie Cary '84 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Sun Jul 1 13:58:50 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Sun Jul 1 14:11:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B15A51220764D8C90BD126B20DCA656@Stephanie> yes - totally agree - I would be kind of embarrassed to say Antioch is not about academic rigor - it should at least aspire to be. My last couple of years were about finding the more rigorous and challenging courses on the curriculum. No one will want you in their really good graduate school if you say your college wasn't about academic rigor. I don't want to slam Leslie though - think all the people working on antiochians.org are doing a great job. Stephanie 1989 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah Liebert" To: "Alumni Chat List" Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... > As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which > is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what > Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice > piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there > that rubs me the wrong way. > > "Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional > conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." > > I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an > Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a > huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and > challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in > absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that > actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a > particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts > education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and > foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to > teach > at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of > prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about > curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan > intend > to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? > > I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece > on > character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an > Antioch education is about. > > This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken > record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is > about > and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. > > Jonah Liebert '03 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Basia.Miller at sjcsf.edu Sun Jul 1 14:08:45 2007 From: Basia.Miller at sjcsf.edu (Miller, Basia) Date: Sun Jul 1 14:21:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tenure Message-ID: <6ED67F6AF31DE34C986CB2CDCA2928B90217190A@antiphon.sjcsf.sjca.edu> Later Bob clarified that the tenure folks like him have been given 12 months. He didn't want to name individual cases as David had asked, since he needs to be in the lawsuit. He apologized for the confusion. I kind of wished we'd had a longer and more constructive conversation last night; but there were lots of preliminaries that needed addressing, and basically we only had about an hour after the round of introductions. Ah, well. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu on behalf of Robert Devine Sent: Thu 6/28/2007 7:52 AM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: 'Alumni Chat List' Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tenure David, I've just had my job eliminated. I don't have the financial resources to defend myself in a lawsuit brought by former faculty members because I breached the legally mandated confidentiality to which they are entitled in personnel matters. Confidentiality in personnel matters is protected by law. Further, David (and here's where your analogy to Alberto Gonzales falls apart), I'm not the College or an agent of the College, I'm not a government agency, I'm not a keeper of records, I'm not a public official. I have no responsibility whatsoever for providing personnel information to the curious, however cleverly they ask. But I'm guessing that you knew that the actual "facts" were inaccessible before you asked. Bob Alumni Chat List on Thursday, June 28, 2007 at 9:04 AM -0500 wrote: >Bob, > >Just for the record -- and to end my part in this thread -- I am not >casting >any aspersions nor do I have an hypothesis about blame. I need facts >before >I can come to any conclusions and you have been willing -- until now -- to >provide facts to rebut some of the myths floating around this list. > >However, I must point out that your response to Michael was reminiscent of >the response Attorney General Gonzales gave to Senator Leahy and others >about the firing of U. S. Attorneys: these are personnel matters and must >remain confidential. I guess federal officials must not have the same >legal >protections as Antioch faculty. > >J. David Coldren '65 > >-----Original Message----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >[mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Devine >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:39 AM >To: Alumni Chat List >Cc: 'Alumni Chat List' >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tenure > >Employees have legal protections. In a school as small as Antioch, it's >rather easy to identify specific individuals -- named or not -- and the >personal and institutional liability are both substantial. > >Bob > >Alumni Chat List on Thursday, June 28, 2007 >at 8:04 AM -0500 wrote: >>You can absolutely strip out names to preserve adequate confidentiality >>for >>the purpose of a policy review. >> >>Besides, what are they going to do? Fire you? >> >>Michael. >> >>----------------- >>Michael Olenick >>Tel: 561-649-0962 >>Mobile: 561-699-5056 >>olenick@valueinnovation.net >> > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From eayres at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 14:56:34 2007 From: eayres at comcast.net (E. Daniel Ayres) Date: Sun Jul 1 15:09:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Wiping the slate clean... Message-ID: <000501c7bc11$8c8f83b0$6400a8c0@SVC1> Matt Baya asked: >do other people feel that in order to get to the independent 'new >Antioch' we have to wipe the slate clean? I don't know how easy it is to get a slate clean or even how to determine if it is clean. The current "in control" BoT has declared that they are in the process of doing exactly that, starting over fresh with a new design after a four year hiatus. There were enough things which had grown to the level of festering sores on the body of Antioch College as it is/was when the board declared it gone that any plan to keep it alive or to resurrect it must deal with, that , given our liberal penchant for focused advocacy and deliberation, the assumption that resolution would take four years to accomplish is probably not all that unfounded. My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew within. Allowing four years to pass without a program and a faculty or maintenance removes a lot of the tradition aspect of the community, an element we Liberals do not often venerate, but which is now recognized as critical. Starting anew guarantees that what emerges will potentially loose focus on at least some of the current priorities. To me, that is not all bad. The "tradition" that says, we can't afford to do that, is insidious and destructive. It has been the mantra of the administration and expressed by administrators who would not be likely to consider firing themselves to create the cash flow required to achieve the objective. The resurrection or salvation of the College comes from a statement, "this is what must be done, and this is how it will be done." I fear that we, as a loosely structured multi-tiered community of trained skeptics and activists, won't be able to state what it is that must be done and then do what it takes to get it done without an agreement which essentially says, "the marriage has failed, a divorce is necessary, and I get the kids and my rightful share of the community property." In this, Antioch College plays the role of the struggling and dutiful wife who is somewhat blindsided by the suspect philandering husband who finally declares, "I'm getting out." He has taken the time to "set the table" for the struggle before making the announcement. She doesn't even have an attorney. I believe the Antioch College Faculty is now represented by one. The current Antioch University and its' BoT are represented. Are the students? Is Yellow Springs? What about us alumnae? Can we agree on anything other than "we need X dollars to save Antioch College?" where X is an unknown and we must learn/re-learn the math required to solve the equation for X? I think we need to recognize the fact that the slate is being wiped while we are still in shock. I've seen several postings from people who have received notice or who are leaving, or who are already gone as I write on July 1. The shutdown of the residential program is gaining its' own momentum. Is there a man on a white horse with $20m offering to step up next week? Next month? If not, I am resigned to working through the struggle to achieve the divorce before making plans. Anything other than a board and leadership focused on the priorities for residential cooperative undergraduate education with full financial control and disclosure before anything else, it seems to me, is not going to be able to save Antioch College. E. Daniel Ayres, AKA ZundapMan 734-395-9141 (cell) 734-434-9694 (home) http://home.comcast.net/~eayres From joyljoseph at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 15:24:59 2007 From: joyljoseph at yahoo.com (joy joseph) Date: Sun Jul 1 15:37:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch College Fest Message-ID: <723891.45562.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is my first post- hope I'm doing it right! I was in the production of House of Bernarda Alba & am pretty sure it was in '79 or '80; I graduated in '80. Can't remember the name of the woman who directed but she taught mime classes at Antioch for maybe 2 years in the late 70's, had short dark hair with bangs & always dressed in black...(except the first day of spring, when she changed the color of her tights.) Ann someone?? Anyone..?? If I remember right she hooked up with the guy who played the amazing flamenco guitar for the show. Can't remember his name either- The people I remember doing puppets were Jerry & Sue Cannon. Joy Joseph'80 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From kathycallaway at whiz.to Sun Jul 1 22:32:35 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Sun Jul 1 22:45:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard* Message-ID: <390720d8d2b6d6cb6bd963cda34d6df9@whiz.to> E. Daniel Ayres said at http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001533.html: My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew within. ------- Daniel has it right. We need action *now* to keep the College intact. The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard*. They need to be challenged in their positions, and they need to be challenged on their decision to close. Not in a month, or six months--the deeds/contracts/leases liquidating the College property will be signed by then. What motivation do they have to negotiate with us? None. I am not sensing much urgency here. The board, and especially Toni, cannot be trusted with the College. Period. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 22:51:05 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:03:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged*hard* In-Reply-To: <390720d8d2b6d6cb6bd963cda34d6df9@whiz.to> Message-ID: I think this is a false contradiction We need to hammer now to buy the time to raise the money and make the plan. I sense momentum shifting our way. The last 2 DDN stories showed us a couple of things: 1) Toni is in retreat or she would not have made the 10 million comment 2) They have money enough to give themselves HALF A MILLION dollars in bonuses. The latter of the 2 revelations is something we can run with. Please realize that the people that shut us down paid themselves more money IN BONUSES than we have raised. This can be spun: 1) Why couldnt Toni forgo that bonus to "provide leadership" in this time of crisis? 2) Right now the press dialogue and echo chamber resounance is "Antioch killed itself with political correctness"... We now have the begining of a supply of ammunition (more will come to light soon I'm sure... because it there, we just have to find it) that changes the story to "Antioch was killed by corporate greed on the scale of Enron" Any statement made to the press ought to indeleibly link the Names Toni Murdock and Kenneth Lay. This story needs a villian. Right now that villian is "political correctness" and/or "liberalism" and or "'60s nostalgia". Lets shift the blame pattern. As far hammering things out, the board has a fiducary duty to keep the college open if a bussiness plan and money exist to do so... These things must be hammered out. We can do this... One thing does not exclude the other. If we attack their bussiness practices we should have so good ones of our own. ---G '97 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Katherine Anne Stansbury >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: SaveAntioch listserve ,AlumniChat >listserve >Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and >challenged*hard* >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:32:35 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc3-f23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 19:32:41 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DA96055674;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:45:04 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mm5.whiz.to (mm5.coho.net [206.58.39.175])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E43626055655for ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 22:45:01 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [216.151.17.31])by mm5.whiz.to >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6337DBE;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 19:27:40 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42qp4ZOWc1WnTSlKcpgSxNSZA0qiSWIHJENJVylRXg7GRK3V+85zKDy >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 02:32:41.0771 (UTC) >FILETIME=[43B5CFB0:01C7BC51] > >E. Daniel Ayres said at >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001533.html: >My main concern is not so much getting all the issues hammered out, but >rather preservation of the capital, both historical, and physical, which >represents the core of the Antioch College we all experienced and grew >within. >------- >Daniel has it right. We need action *now* to keep the College intact. The >board and Toni must be challenged and challenged *hard*. They need to be >challenged in their positions, and they need to be challenged on their >decision to close. Not in a month, or six months--the >deeds/contracts/leases liquidating the College property will be signed by >then. What motivation do they have to negotiate with us? None. > >I am not sensing much urgency here. The board, and especially Toni, cannot >be trusted with the College. Period. > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From kathycallaway at whiz.to Sun Jul 1 23:08:25 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:20:53 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged*hard* In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry, Didn't mean my call to protect the assets as an either/or... Agree with everything you said about the bonuses and press strategy. k From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 23:27:09 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:39:39 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challengedand challen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dont sweat it... However there is a danger here... Well many dangers, The one I'm talking about however is where we think any one strategy or action or set of actions will be the winner. The US military wins by using what they call "Full Spectrum Dominance" which basically means "Being the best at everything".... We should do the same thing. We need the best plan, the Best Fundraising and the best narative to win this... I just dont want people to get to pulled into any one thing that excludes or appears to exclude others. There are at least 17,000 very smart tough independant creative people that dont want to see this go down. There are 5 - 10 people that want to make a quick buck. I think we are going to win and they are going to loose "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Katherine Anne Stansbury >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: SaveAntioch listserve ,AlumniChat >listserve >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be >challengedand challenged*hard* >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:08:25 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc2-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 >Jul 2007 20:08:29 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A998605574F;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:20:53 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mm5.whiz.to (mm5.coho.net [206.58.39.175])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 636CB6055740for ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:20:51 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [216.151.17.31])by mm5.whiz.to >(Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7F97DC9;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:03:30 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42dEGfzQ0HaULyn0rDvX0zXM3SNwPoo7mYAxQZU/pTaAYcyMpx3beuz >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 03:08:29.0792 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4407CE00:01C7BC56] > >Gerry, >Didn't mean my call to protect the assets as an either/or... >Agree with everything you said about the bonuses and press strategy. >k > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm From dan at thisibelieve.org Sun Jul 1 23:29:59 2007 From: dan at thisibelieve.org (dan@thisibelieve.org) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:42:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News In-Reply-To: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <50581.65.80.74.75.1183346999.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Friends, I was asked by the Yellow Springs News to write a brief Op Ed piece about the announced closing of the college. Here is a link to that piece, which sums up my thoughts about the whole issue, though the ending is slightly dated already. I wrote this in the immediate aftermath of having spent a very emotionally draining Friday at the Alumni Reunion. I was so sad and depressed that I decided to drive back home to Louisville the next morning rather than staying for what I thought would be fairly meaningless (under the circumstances) social events. Unfortunately, this meant that I missed the extraordinary gathering in Kelly Hall where all the money was raised and people started organizing. I'm sure if I had stayed for that, my words would have been more hopeful than elegiac, but I had already filed it before I belatedly learned about what had happened on Saturday. http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html BTW, I'm very excited by Sister Sara's terrific effort to draft a comprehensive action plan. I've been waiting for such a document to be put forth. It is far better, I have found, to have something in front of us to act as a catalyst for critical thinking and deliberating. I'm hoping that people can use this forum to creatively and respectfully discuss the merits of it, edit it as they see fit, and then use it as a framework for targeted action (something that all the various task forces can use as jumping-off points for their work). All the best, Dan Gediman '82 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sun Jul 1 23:42:39 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:55:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News In-Reply-To: <50581.65.80.74.75.1183346999.squirrel@webmail2.pair.com> Message-ID: A number of us are also drafting a plan... it will be released very soon "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: dan@thisibelieve.org >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc10-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >1 Jul 2007 20:30:05 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612C60557FD;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:42:28 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from wbm2.pair.net (wbm2.pair.net [209.68.3.43])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FFB60557DEfor ; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by wbm2.pair.net (Postfix, from userid 65534)id 6270C11729; Sun, >1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from 65.80.74.75 ([65.80.74.75])(SquirrelMail authenticated user >dan@thisibelieve.org)by webmail2.pair.com with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41YfCvd62lpdY04Jqgge+2zXBqW4vJeVPhiVFsTGmcrVG2JkbDfAccO >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> >User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 03:30:05.0149 (UTC) >FILETIME=[481F98D0:01C7BC59] > >Friends, > >I was asked by the Yellow Springs News to write a brief Op Ed piece about >the announced closing of the college. Here is a link to that piece, which >sums up my thoughts about the whole issue, though the ending is slightly >dated already. I wrote this in the immediate aftermath of having spent a >very emotionally draining Friday at the Alumni Reunion. I was so sad and >depressed that I decided to drive back home to Louisville the next morning >rather than staying for what I thought would be fairly meaningless (under >the circumstances) social events. Unfortunately, this meant that I missed >the extraordinary gathering in Kelly Hall where all the money was raised >and people started organizing. I'm sure if I had stayed for that, my words >would have been more hopeful than elegiac, but I had already filed it >before I belatedly learned about what had happened on Saturday. > >http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html > >BTW, I'm very excited by Sister Sara's terrific effort to draft a >comprehensive action plan. I've been waiting for such a document to be put >forth. It is far better, I have found, to have something in front of us to >act as a catalyst for critical thinking and deliberating. I'm hoping that >people can use this forum to creatively and respectfully discuss the >merits of it, edit it as they see fit, and then use it as a framework for >targeted action (something that all the various task forces can use as >jumping-off points for their work). > >All the best, > >Dan Gediman '82 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 2 00:14:25 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:29:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from the potential the college has. Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not closing it's doors. I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from where we are now without hitting the reset button. If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. -Matt '92 From juju70 at msn.com Mon Jul 2 00:21:00 2007 From: juju70 at msn.com (Judith Wolert-Maldonado) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:33:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Last call to sign Yellow Springs News ad: Deadline is Monday (7/2/07), 10 am E.S.T. Message-ID: Hi all, I'm posting this on behalf of our Yellow Springs letter-writing committee (part of the greater Yellow Springs organizing group -we'll come up with an official name soon.). Following my message is the ad that we will be taking out in the next issue of the Yellow Springs News in support of keeping Antioch College open. Tim Noble had already posted it here for us earlier (thanks, Tim!), but we wanted to give readers one last chance and reminder to send your names to Ruth Hoff (Yellow Springs resident since '96 and contact person for Y.S. letter writers) if you want to be added to the list of signers. We invite anyone within the Antioch College network and beyond, to sign. We know that there are supporters, fans and friends of Antioch College out there, beyond Yellow Springs, Ohio and beyond the United States. Now is your chance to show your support, alongside residents of Yellow Springs, in this week's half-page ad. Please send your full name and year of Antioch College graduation (if applicable) under the subject heading, "add my name to the ys news ad" to Ruth directly at rhoff@wittenberg.edu no later than 10 am, Eastern Standard Time, Monday morning (July 2, 2007). Please do not reply to this posting on this listserv with your name to be added, as Ruth is not yet in this listserv & will only have time to be checking her emails. Please forward this to friends who might be interested in signing the ad. We want the university administrators to see how many Antioch College supporters there are beyond our small town of Yellow Springs. Now the money issue: The add will cost us $400, a worthy $400 we believe. We've been collecting money for the ad at the Emporium (in Yellow Springs), $2.50 (slow weekend!), as of this afternoon. One of the members of our committee will front the money tomorrow, we will continue to keep the collection jar at the Emporium all week and we will "pass the hat around" at our first town meeting on July 10th. But, if anyone out there is willing and able to help fund the ad, please send your contributions to Ruth Hoff (make checks payable to Ruth Hoff), to 211 West Center College, Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387. Ruth has said that any money raised beyond the $400 will, of course, be turned over to the alums' Antioch College Revival Fund at US Bank. Thank you! -Judith Wolert-Maldonado, '05 (attended '94-'96 and '03-'05) ----------------------------------------------------------- Copy of the ad to run in the YS News: We who have signed our names below stand united with the current effort of the Antioch College Alumni to raise at least forty million dollars by next spring in order to guarantee the continued, uninterrupted operation of Antioch College. We believe that the plan put forth by the Antioch Trustees to close the college and then reopen it in four years ?as a state-of-the art, twenty-first century residential undergraduate program? is dangerously unrealistic in its expectations and un-Antiochian in its design from the top down. We stand united in our support of the Antioch College faculty and staff who have under inordinate pressures struggled far too long for far too little to keep the reality of Antioch alive. We are not under the illusion that the solution here is easy, and we know the remedy can not be short term; we realize that the effort before us is continuous and Herculean. We realize that while forty million dollars might ensure the survival of Antioch College into the near future, much more will be needed to revitalize and safeguard the institution. We believe that this is not only possible but necessary. For the alternative is to us unthinkable. Make no mistake: Antioch College built Yellow Springs, not the other way around. And we believe that if we work together to revitalize Antioch into a vibrant, thriving institution, we also revitalize the town. The desire to see Antioch College succeed is not parochial. However funereal the national press has been this past week regarding the fate of Antioch College, all news and editorial accounts have acknowledged the importance of Antioch College as a bedrock institution of free thought in this country. At this point in our history when democracy is on the chopping block, we believe the world needs a revitalized Antioch College more than ever. So we ask you to stand with us in support of Antioch faculty, staff and alumni in their efforts to revive the college. Visit the Antioch College Revival Fund Web Site at Antiochians.org. An account has been set up through the US Bank to accept donations to the Antioch College Revival Fund. From rowankaiser at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 00:35:35 2007 From: rowankaiser at gmail.com (Rowan Kaiser) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:48:03 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe that it's also important to note that the '2012' year is not a date which was chosen because it made the best business sense and there was a plan which made it the best working date. It turns out that if they were to reopen earlier, they would have to rehire the tenured faculty. This is about purging Antioch College. Rowan On 7/1/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. > > Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I > mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard > right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about > the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it > may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' > is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. > > As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than > that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are > evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction > and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others > share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been > a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the > "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the > business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. > I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new > curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think > they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, > the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed > was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the > BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ > community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places > make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. > it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated > ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's > at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and > vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from > the potential the college has. > > Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I > studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with > them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and > have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. > They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the > academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I > have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and > they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings > about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members > I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at > Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's > the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, > logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional > people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth > fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. > > While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and > of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept > the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and > restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on > this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. > That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject > brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise > funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down > the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a > 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in > 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a > fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with > the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying > college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left > the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I > believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not > closing it's doors. > > I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control > now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I > also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't > statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on > Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this > in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been > basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked > for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could > provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT > intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least > for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off > and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to > do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but > damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. > > This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we > reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan > and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch > reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and > Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for > down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, > I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from > where we are now without hitting the reset button. > > If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, > please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if > everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why > the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save > antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat > rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other > wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & > pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. > > -Matt '92 > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 01:04:26 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:17:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Last call to sign Yellow Springs News ad: Deadline is Monday (7/2/07), 10 am E.S.T. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Count me in please. Dawn Scribner, Marin County CA, class of '83 On 7/1/07 9:21 PM, "Judith Wolert-Maldonado" wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm posting this on behalf of our Yellow Springs letter-writing committee > (part of the greater Yellow Springs organizing group -we'll come up with an > official name soon.). > Following my message is the ad that we will be taking out in the next issue of > the Yellow Springs News in support of keeping Antioch College open. > > Tim Noble had already posted it here for us earlier (thanks, Tim!), but we > wanted to give readers one last chance and reminder to send your names to Ruth > Hoff (Yellow Springs resident since '96 and contact person for Y.S. letter > writers) if you want to be added to the list of signers. > > We invite anyone within the Antioch College network and beyond, to sign. We > know that there are supporters, fans and friends of Antioch College out there, > beyond Yellow Springs, Ohio and beyond the United States. Now is your chance > to show your support, alongside residents of Yellow Springs, in this week's > half-page ad. > > Please send your full name and year of Antioch College graduation (if > applicable) under the subject heading, "add my name to the ys news ad" to Ruth > directly at rhoff@wittenberg.edu no later than 10 am, Eastern Standard Time, > Monday morning (July 2, 2007). > Please do not reply to this posting on this listserv with your name to be > added, as Ruth is not yet in this listserv & will only have time to be > checking her emails. > > Please forward this to friends who might be interested in signing the ad. We > want the university administrators to see how many Antioch College supporters > there are beyond our small town of Yellow Springs. > > Now the money issue: The add will cost us $400, a worthy $400 we believe. > We've been collecting money for the ad at the Emporium (in Yellow Springs), > $2.50 (slow weekend!), as of this afternoon. One of the members of our > committee will front the money tomorrow, we will continue to keep the > collection jar at the Emporium all week and we will "pass the hat around" at > our first town meeting on July 10th. But, if anyone out there is willing and > able to help fund the ad, please send your contributions to Ruth Hoff (make > checks payable to Ruth Hoff), to 211 West Center College, Yellow Springs, Ohio > 45387. Ruth has said that any money raised beyond the $400 will, of course, > be turned over to the alums' Antioch College Revival Fund at US Bank. > > Thank you! > -Judith Wolert-Maldonado, '05 > (attended '94-'96 and '03-'05) > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Copy of the ad to run in the YS News: > > > > We who have signed our names below stand united with the current effort of the > Antioch College Alumni to raise at least forty million dollars by next spring > in order to guarantee the continued, uninterrupted operation of Antioch > College. > > > > We believe that the plan put forth by the Antioch Trustees to close the > college and then reopen it in four years ?as a state-of-the art, twenty-first > century residential undergraduate program? is dangerously unrealistic in its > expectations and un-Antiochian in its design from the top down. > > > > We stand united in our support of the Antioch College faculty and staff who > have under inordinate pressures struggled far too long for far too little to > keep the reality of Antioch alive. > > > > We are not under the illusion that the solution here is easy, and we know the > remedy can not be short term; we realize that the effort before us is > continuous and Herculean. We realize that while forty million dollars might > ensure the survival of Antioch College into the near future, much more will be > needed to revitalize and safeguard the institution. We believe that this is > not only possible but necessary. For the alternative is to us unthinkable. > > > > Make no mistake: Antioch College built Yellow Springs, not the other way > around. And we believe that if we work together to revitalize Antioch into a > vibrant, thriving institution, we also revitalize the town. > > > > The desire to see Antioch College succeed is not parochial. However funereal > the national press has been this past week regarding the fate of Antioch > College, all news and editorial accounts have acknowledged the importance of > Antioch College as a bedrock institution of free thought in this country. > > > > At this point in our history when democracy is on the chopping block, we > believe the world needs a revitalized Antioch College more than ever. > > > > So we ask you to stand with us in support of Antioch faculty, staff and alumni > in their efforts to revive the college. Visit the Antioch College Revival Fund > Web Site at Antiochians.org. An account has been set up through the US Bank to > accept donations to the Antioch College Revival Fund. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 01:22:25 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:34:55 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challengedand challen In-Reply-To: <070220070354.49.468876E600038E2F0000003122165279660B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> Message-ID: >Gerry: > >I certainly would. I already mentioned the best source of weapons, the IRS >Form 990, and the Dayton Daily News -- to it's credit, after posting that >nonsense about Toni's meeting with the emeritus faculty -- got the goods. >That was today's shocker, and there will be more to come. > >I'm just one little pit bull yapping in the wilderness. I did fantasize in >the shower this morning about doing a full-court-press trolling and >investigation of Toni, and maybe I will. I appreciate your challenge and >sentiment. > >On the other hand, I do think that the stick would be more pointed in the >Alumni Board's hands, if only because the were elected to something. And a >press release from Crabby Old Al of Tinfoil Hat Studios will non have >anywhere near the same impact. > >Alan > Alan, Sorry to bounce this to everyone but the point is needed. Right now we need quite alot of media work from sources small and large that seem more independent. Thats what creates the echo chamber effect. Right now there is more press noise regarding the rabies outbreak in bats in Antioch California than there is about the closuer of Antioch college, both for and against (I dont forward the rabid bat stories or the issues with Antioch CA's city council to this list). So keeping the issue hot creates the ground work for the Alumni board to take the offensive as quick as their media people can get it organized. So not holding back, and acting alone at this time is a good thing that pushes people forward. ---G _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 01:29:45 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:42:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: <0B15A51220764D8C90BD126B20DCA656@Stephanie> Message-ID: Viva la difference. Lesley's On 7/1/07 10:58 AM, "Stephanie Scott" wrote: > yes - totally agree - I would be kind of embarrassed to say Antioch is not > about academic rigor - it should at least aspire to be. My last couple of > years were about finding the more rigorous and challenging courses on the > curriculum. No one will want you in their really good graduate school if > you say your college wasn't about academic rigor. I don't want to slam > Leslie though - think all the people working on antiochians.org are doing a > great job. > > Stephanie > 1989 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonah Liebert" > To: "Alumni Chat List" > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org > tellsus.... > > >> As I was browsing around the much improved website, antiochians.org, which >> is supposed to represent all of us, I found one person's vision of what >> Antioch is about. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr B.F.A. '83 composed a very nice >> piece on what it means to be an Antiochian, but there is one line in there >> that rubs me the wrong way. >> >> "Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional >> conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." >> >> I do agree that character and place are extremely important aspects of an >> Antioch education, but the second half of the sentence would seem to be a >> huge insult to the faculty who work so hard to provide a rich and >> challenging learning environment. This statement presents our college in >> absolutely the worst light to the rest of the higher education world that >> actually believes you go to college to become formally educated in a >> particular subject. Call me crazy or conformist, but isn't a liberal arts >> education and college in general, even one as unique as Antioch, first and >> foremost for academic learning? What kind of professor would want to >> teach >> at a college that isn't about curriculum or academic rigor? What sort of >> prospective student would want to attend a college that wasn't "about >> curriculum or even academic rigor?" Did Horace Mann or Arthur Morgan >> intend >> to create a college that wasn't about curriculum or academic rigor? >> >> I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece >> on >> character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an >> Antioch education is about. >> >> This is one example of why I'll begin to sound more and more like a broken >> record when I say we need a definition of what an Antioch education is >> about >> and will be about in the future. Lesley's vision is not mine at all. >> >> Jonah Liebert '03 >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 01:34:33 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:47:02 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Matt, You are not alone thats for damn sure. Anybody who believes that Antioch will reopen in 2012 and be anything like my home is completely delusional. Further, anyone working towards that goal is legitimating the current BoT which is comprised of equal parts sloth, ineptitude and malice for my home. If you want to make a plan for a "New Antioch" write it for the year 2008-2009. Thats when new students will be arriving after we win. I dont know where your Antioch will be in 2012. Mine will be in its third year in Yellow Springs... or 170th depending on your counting. ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 2 01:39:44 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:51:42 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: That's exactly right. While the faculty (all 30+ of us, and I really can't speak for my colleagues) are seeking to protect our rights and prerogatives in the process of termination that has been set in motion, I believe we're also intent on keeping the College open. Not only is it a realistic option, but it is, as far as I can determine, the only option. I know this ground has been covered, but look closely at the fluff put out by the hapless University PR folks about the 2012 vision. Where is co-op? Where is reflection on experience? Where is shared governance and the "authentic and meaningful" participation in democratic participation spoken of by Algo Henderson? Where is the education for leadership and civic responsibility? Where are the liberal arts, the history and philosophy and sciences, and the processes of study, experience and reflection that lead learners to take charge of their own thought, and to develop the capacity for reflection and critical examination of the world around them? It seems to me that some are too willing to give up on the liberal arts, and the higher purposes of what humanities Professor Martha Nussbaum describes as "Cultivating Humanity." On the one hand there are those with nostalgia for a seemingly more obedient and more regimented time, and on the other hand there are those who are seeking the shiny-new-thing that will resolve the difficulties of educational delivery (we've already seen one version of that movie). In both cases, it seems, the inclination is to throw away the current faculty and students as if they are impediments to the College's viability rather than the assets that make the revitalization of the College possible. Norming the College to the standards and processes of the adult campuses won't solve its problems. As the Dayton Daily News pointed out in its recent editorial, this Board has not done well by the College, and there is no reason to believe (a) that it can raise money for a revitalized Antioch College in four years, when it could not raise the money to sustain it in the short term, and (b) that it will do any better by the College in the future than it did in the past. The College needs to stay open, to gain autonomy, and to have its own Board. So I'm with you Matt. We need to continue to press and challenge, on all fronts, right now, at the same time as inventing a scenario under which the College can remain open and vital. My 2 cents. Bob Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 12:35 AM -0500 wrote: >I believe that it's also important to note that the '2012' year is not a >date which was chosen because it made the best business sense and there >was >a plan which made it the best working date. It turns out that if they were >to reopen earlier, they would have to rehire the tenured faculty. This is >about purging Antioch College. > >Rowan > >On 7/1/07, Matthew Baya wrote: >> >> On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >> > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. >> >> Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I >> mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard >> right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about >> the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it >> may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' >> is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. >> >> As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than >> that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are >> evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction >> and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others >> share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been >> a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the >> "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the >> business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. >> I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new >> curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think >> they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, >> the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed >> was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the >> BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ >> community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places >> make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. >> it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated >> ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's >> at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and >> vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from >> the potential the college has. >> >> Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I >> studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with >> them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and >> have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. >> They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the >> academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I >> have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and >> they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings >> about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members >> I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at >> Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's >> the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, >> logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional >> people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth >> fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. >> >> While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and >> of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept >> the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and >> restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on >> this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. >> That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject >> brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise >> funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down >> the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a >> 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in >> 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a >> fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with >> the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying >> college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left >> the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I >> believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not >> closing it's doors. >> >> I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control >> now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I >> also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't >> statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on >> Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this >> in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been >> basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked >> for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could >> provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT >> intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least >> for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off >> and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to >> do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but >> damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. >> >> This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we >> reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan >> and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch >> reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and >> Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for >> down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, >> I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from >> where we are now without hitting the reset button. >> >> If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, >> please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if >> everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why >> the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save >> antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat >> rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other >> wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & >> pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. >> >> -Matt '92 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> >> >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >> >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 01:46:50 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 01:59:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Dan for an utterly beautiful piece. Its doesn't feel as pessimistic from the reader's perspective as it may have when you wrote it. Dawn '83 On 7/1/07 8:42 PM, "Gerry Bello" wrote: > > A number of us are also drafting a plan... it will be released very soon > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > > > > >> From: dan@thisibelieve.org >> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Op Ed piece in Yellow Springs News >> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >> bay0-mc10-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, >> 1 Jul 2007 20:30:05 -0700 >> Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7612C60557FD;Sun, 1 Jul 2007 23:42:28 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from wbm2.pair.net (wbm2.pair.net [209.68.3.43])by w3.antioch.edu >> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FFB60557DEfor ; Sun, >> 1 Jul 2007 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: by wbm2.pair.net (Postfix, from userid 65534)id 6270C11729; Sun, >> 1 Jul 2007 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >> Received: from 65.80.74.75 ([65.80.74.75])(SquirrelMail authenticated user >> dan@thisibelieve.org)by webmail2.pair.com with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 >> 23:29:59 -0400 (EDT) >> X-Message-Info: >> txF49lGdW41YfCvd62lpdY04Jqgge+2zXBqW4vJeVPhiVFsTGmcrVG2JkbDfAccO >> X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> >> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 >> X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >> Precedence: list >> List-Id: Alumni Chat List >> List-Unsubscribe: >> ,> est@w3.antioch.edu?subject=unsubscribe> >> List-Archive: >> List-Post: >> List-Help: >> List-Subscribe: >> ,> est@w3.antioch.edu?subject=subscribe> >> Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 03:30:05.0149 (UTC) >> FILETIME=[481F98D0:01C7BC59] >> >> Friends, >> >> I was asked by the Yellow Springs News to write a brief Op Ed piece about >> the announced closing of the college. Here is a link to that piece, which >> sums up my thoughts about the whole issue, though the ending is slightly >> dated already. I wrote this in the immediate aftermath of having spent a >> very emotionally draining Friday at the Alumni Reunion. I was so sad and >> depressed that I decided to drive back home to Louisville the next morning >> rather than staying for what I thought would be fairly meaningless (under >> the circumstances) social events. Unfortunately, this meant that I missed >> the extraordinary gathering in Kelly Hall where all the money was raised >> and people started organizing. I'm sure if I had stayed for that, my words >> would have been more hopeful than elegiac, but I had already filed it >> before I belatedly learned about what had happened on Saturday. >> >> http://www.ysnews.com/editorial/index.html >> >> BTW, I'm very excited by Sister Sara's terrific effort to draft a >> comprehensive action plan. I've been waiting for such a document to be put >> forth. It is far better, I have found, to have something in front of us to >> act as a catalyst for critical thinking and deliberating. I'm hoping that >> people can use this forum to creatively and respectfully discuss the >> merits of it, edit it as they see fit, and then use it as a framework for >> targeted action (something that all the various task forces can use as >> jumping-off points for their work). >> >> All the best, >> >> Dan Gediman '82 >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. > http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33 > .832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encT > ype=1&FORM=MGAC01 > > From marklp2 at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 01:48:30 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Mon Jul 2 02:00:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007601c7bc6c$9eeadb30$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Jim Rose was very sensitive about being the actual model for Howdy Doody. Please keep that in mind when approaching him. Mark P. '71 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of ginger lines Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:10 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! Stephanie, The professor in the 80s who was involved with puppetry was Jim Rose - son of the puppeteer who created HOWDY DOODIE. Jim was quite a conservative guy. I don't know what his feelings may be toward Antioch, but perhaps he would want to help in some way. Was it Dal who did Bernarda Allba? I think of that production often, and in fact , recently, mentioned it to the theatre director at the arts school where I work. The production I am thinking of, actually took place in abouit 1980. I did the arts write-up for the Record. My freind suggested Oct. 7 - occasion of Horace Mann's speach, as a day we ourselves, might go to the college. Think this would be a good time for the event your planning? >From: "Stephanie Scott" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: ,"alumni chat List" > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:28:32 +0100 > >Is anyone in touch with Jay Ruby or Emily Anderson (1989?)? > >I think they were connected with Bread & Puppet Theatre in VT for a long >time; may still be in circus/performing/theatrical events, may have good >contacts for a national Antioch fest. Also, who was the theatre professor >in the late 1980s who did the amazing stuff with puppetry (House of >Bernarda Alba, etc.)? Those guys could add a lot. > >Stephanie > >1989 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rowan Kaiser >To: J. Greg Williams >Cc: Save Antioch >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest! > > >That's also at roughly the same time as the new and returning students get >in. Hard to beat that combo. I say we go for it. > >Rowan > > >On 7/1/07, J. Greg Williams wrote: > The theater department helps put on a pretty large blues fest in the > fall. I believe it is with the help of Dave Chappelle. Having a > massive fund raising event at the same time may be good synergy. > > -g > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians .org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians .org >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don?t miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 02:26:25 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 02:38:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Another DDN article focused on YS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2007/07/02/ddn070207yellowsprings.html Village waiting for repercussions of Antioch closing Yellow Springs concerned with what to do with surplus of energy and loss of income tax. Listen to this article or download audio file.Click-2-Listen By Christopher Magan Staff Writer Monday, July 02, 2007 YELLOW SPRINGS The shock of losing its largest employer has left the village with a lot of energy and a tighter budget on the horizon. Village Manager Eric Swansen is trying to determine how Antioch College closing in 2008 will impact the village's $1.5 million general fund and what to do with extra energy capacity the electric department set aside for its largest utility customer. "We are working with the college to get a breakdown of how all this will impact us," he said. There are no hard numbers from the college, but one thing that's certain is the loss of 160 jobs and about 300 students will take a chunk out of the $1.25 million raised each year by the village's 1.5 percent income tax. "The repercussions are going to be difficult," said Councilwoman Kathryn Chase. "We are definitely going to feel the loss of those jobs and the income tax that goes with it." Swansen is quick to point out that Yellow Springs has weathered a similar storm before. Vernay Laboratories, which was once the village's largest employer, moved 300 jobs out of the village about five years ago causing an $800,000 drop in annual tax revenue. The loss forced village leaders to ask residents to approve an 8.4-mill property tax levy that barely passed in November 2006. "It was necessary because we were living well outside our means," Swansen said. Swansen is worried tougher times are ahead when Antioch closes its doors. He feels the village will lose a big part of its identity. "I hope it comes back," he said. "If the college doesn't reopen we could become like any other town." But some other Yellow Springs residents aren't so sure. Dark Star Books manager Thacher Cleveland believes the village will rebound from the closing. "The college has been declining so many years, it's not a huge segment of our customers," Cleveland said. "The village got a lot of its identity from the college, but now that identity is its own." "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From kathycallaway at whiz.to Mon Jul 2 02:51:06 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Mon Jul 2 03:03:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] You are not alone Message-ID: Amen. k --------------- Gerry Bello wrote at http://lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/ saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org/2007-July/000317.html: Matt, You are not alone thats for damn sure. Anybody who believes that Antioch will reopen in 2012 and be anything like my home is completely delusional. Further, anyone working towards that goal is legitimating the current BoT which is comprised of equal parts sloth, ineptitude and malice for my home. If you want to make a plan for a "New Antioch" write it for the year 2008-2009. Thats when new students will be arriving after we win. I dont know where your Antioch will be in 2012. Mine will be in its third year in Yellow Springs... or 170th depending on your counting. ---G From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 03:07:32 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 03:20:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional > people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth > fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that." Matt, You are not alone. For me keeping the college open is the only option. If it closes next year and we lose our faculty, whether it reopens in 2012 or not; the Antioch we know and love will be gone. I share your commitment to our community including the staff, faculty and current student body. I attended Antioch during a financial crisis and never considered transferring because of the community I found there. I have a feeling there are a number of current students who feel the same way. Dawn Scribner '83 On 7/1/07 9:14 PM, "Matthew Baya" wrote: > On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >> Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. > > Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I > mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard > right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about > the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it > may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' > is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. > > As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than > that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are > evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction > and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others > share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been > a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the > "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the > business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. > I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new > curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think > they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, > the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed > was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the > BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ > community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places > make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. > it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated > ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's > at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and > vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from > the potential the college has. > > Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I > studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with > them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and > have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. > They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the > academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I > have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and > they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings > about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members > I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at > Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's > the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, > logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional > people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth > fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. > > While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and > of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept > the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and > restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on > this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. > That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject > brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise > funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down > the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a > 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in > 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a > fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with > the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying > college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left > the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I > believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not > closing it's doors. > > I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control > now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I > also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't > statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on > Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this > in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been > basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked > for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could > provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT > intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least > for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off > and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to > do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but > damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. > > This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we > reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan > and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch > reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and > Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for > down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, > I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from > where we are now without hitting the reset button. > > If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, > please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if > everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why > the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save > antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat > rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other > wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & > pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. > > -Matt '92 > > From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 03:41:36 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 03:54:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] What's an Antiochian Anyway? Antiochians.org tellsus.... In-Reply-To: <0B15A51220764D8C90BD126B20DCA656@Stephanie> Message-ID: Viva la difference. Lesley wrote a letter describing her experience at Antioch. It wasn't a manifesto on behalf of all alums. I'ts a big tent and there is room for many different perspectives. >> I sincerely hope that this sentence and the overall emphasis of the piece >> on >> character rather than academics could be edited to better reflect what an >> Antioch education is about. >> > > > > From kathycallaway at whiz.to Mon Jul 2 06:03:30 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Mon Jul 2 06:16:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antiochians.org looks great! Message-ID: <3b4f042a5a32674d8de8ef4baacf83a9@whiz.to> Thank you! From patrick_abroad at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 06:42:35 2007 From: patrick_abroad at yahoo.com (Patrick Cates) Date: Mon Jul 2 06:55:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The board and Toni must be challenged and challenged*hard* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <114723.56964.qm@web83014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just to clarify, I don't think these 'bonuses' have actually been paid, just put on the books. Also, I'm not sure they're really bonuses. From reading the Dayton Daily News article, it seems like this was part of thier contract: if you stay 7 years, you earn a free year at the end. It is kind of like the faculty who serve as associate dean of faculty being given a sabbatical semester when they are done. But maybe I've misunderstood. Patrick Cates --- Gerry Bello wrote: > 2) They have money enough to give themselves HALF A > MILLION dollars in > bonuses. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From bobabramspe at webtv.net Mon Jul 2 09:30:49 2007 From: bobabramspe at webtv.net (Robert Abrams) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:43:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] antiochians.org Message-ID: Is the subject site up and running? I have tried to access it several times without success. AVE ATQUE VALE (Hail and farewell-the gladiator's salutation) From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 09:48:10 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:00:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <174814.96683.qm@web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Sunday, July 01, 2007 > > One of the more remarkable statements made in the > wake of the > announcement of Antioch College's closing was by > President Steven > Lawry. > > He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus > that the decision > was coming was that he didn't know. Here's where I call "Bullshit". (aka I know you're not holding 5 aces in your hand.) Preamble to the Board Resolution, of June 9th: "Having thus considered all of the options open to it, the Board saw no alternative but to immediately declare financial exigency at the College. Rather than close the College permanently, the Board sought to encourage further development of a plan brought forward by the University Leadership Council without dissent." If ULC brought a plan TO THE BOARD regarding the 'reopening' of the college, at what point PRIOR to the board resolution did the ULC (including the College president) discuss this plan for the 'reopening?' Is the Board lying about ULC bringing forth this plan, or is the president lying about discussions he had prior to the June board meeting? Look at the date of the resolution. June 9th. Means the board meeting was June 8th and 9th. Go back and look at the date on the last page of the 6-page "Declaration of Financial Exigency". It says "6-5-07". Given the dates on the documents produced BY the university, this means the University walked into the June board meeting with the declaration IN HAND. If the University is drawing up plans for financial exigency PRIOR to the board meeting, discussion, and resolution, what chance is there that the President of the College didn't know about it? If he truly didn't know the situation was dire enough that the university was drawing up exigency documents PRIOR to the board meeting, then why did he not immediately QUIT upon learning that the university was planning the closure of HIS institution without his knowledge? Bullshit. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Mon Jul 2 10:03:43 2007 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:16:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: <005c01c7bcb1$cd4ac090$67e041b0$@rr.com> I want to point out that somewhere - is it the Alumni Board bylaws? - it is stated that you are considered an alumnus if you were enrolled at Antioch College for one year. There are many who went for only a short time but are committed. I myself dropped out after three years, but served on the Alumni Board for most of the '90s (including a stint as vice president) as well as heading up the alum work project before reunion for untold years. I don't think we should shut out anyone who fits into the current definition of an alum who wants to work for the school. - Robin '64 From Hopita at aol.com Mon Jul 2 10:12:45 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:25:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change Message-ID: Thelma, I would suggest that you contact Ina Frank (_inafrank@adelphia.net_ (mailto:inafrank@adelphia.net) ). I believe she is chair of the fundraising committee. - Hope '92 In a message dated 6/29/2007 4:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:12:17 -0400 From: "Thelma Seto" Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I just finished helping an independent filmmaker fundraise for a film on the deleterious effects of mercury on human health--and Big Pharma's political machinations to keep the facts from the public. We approached the 400 richest, as well as 2002's Richest Americans list. In the process, I did a lot of research on each individual on these lists. Most of them are duds. There are roughly 10-12 who are not, though unless we deal with the root problems at the College, I don't think they will give. They are approached by a gazillion good projects for their billions. Some are not politically aware (or are downright hostile to the values Antioch espouses); others feel problems world-wide take precedence, as well as dealing with the holes the government's pathetic response to Hurricane Katrina have left gaping wide open. Some have very, very specific concerns (like animal rights--to be distinguished from animal welfare which is completely different) and are not likely donors. A few--5-12--are good prospects. Thelma "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:20:22 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:32:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: <174814.96683.qm@web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good eye Laura. We now have the proof that the BOT was planning this all along "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Laura Fathauer >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc12-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, >2 Jul 2007 06:48:14 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8A16056DC5;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com >(web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com[69.147.97.127])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) >with SMTP id 79DA96056DA5for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 >10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 99064 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 13:48:10 -0000 >Received: from [128.146.8.196] by web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP;Mon, >02 Jul 2007 06:48:10 PDT >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW40SAwAc3QmGSE/NUmjfop9WRgyDbawNnZrPer4qsAuYOntmkECfBgTI >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; >d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=vUNlSGH1V39e8kTlshFkob2NMe5rFdphlVarztkTiZfmLrbHQXLjTHDNc8+bfDwda/FEGYvIzx/E97nMfoLyzT0gouniIKAow1y7bdsccsatS5S3w3N76zFLZC17twfTmZEQT2rEhHusTAC2nUHQgnHa79x16FCJaGwRy7r58hc=; >X-YMail-OSG: >VQo1jc8VM1mpXKdJ2ceJDutjwhJY5EdXnBy52PzBoMgSfmyz.PCTku1cyVkFzdCGX_WvKeL9YYrZ3dyG_lbiXJTEG7K3bmhUpmnhrMyC0bxaLdHjoH44Zleblkwa148f82SOIEqDGgPR_0I- >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 13:48:14.0729 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A33C5F90:01C7BCAF] > > > Sunday, July 01, 2007 > > > > One of the more remarkable statements made in the > > wake of the > > announcement of Antioch College's closing was by > > President Steven > > Lawry. > > > > He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus > > that the decision > > was coming was that he didn't know. > >Here's where I call "Bullshit". >(aka I know you're not holding 5 aces in your hand.) > >Preamble to the Board Resolution, of June 9th: >"Having thus considered all of the options open to it, >the Board saw no alternative but to immediately >declare financial exigency at the College. Rather than >close the College permanently, the Board sought to >encourage further development of a plan brought >forward by the University Leadership Council without >dissent." > >If ULC brought a plan TO THE BOARD regarding the >'reopening' of the college, at what point PRIOR to the >board resolution did the ULC (including the College >president) discuss this plan for the 'reopening?' Is >the Board lying about ULC bringing forth this plan, or >is the president lying about discussions he had prior >to the June board meeting? > >Look at the date of the resolution. June 9th. Means >the board meeting was June 8th and 9th. > >Go back and look at the date on the last page of the >6-page "Declaration of Financial Exigency". It says >"6-5-07". > >Given the dates on the documents produced BY the >university, this means the University walked into the >June board meeting with the declaration IN HAND. > >If the University is drawing up plans for financial >exigency PRIOR to the board meeting, discussion, and >resolution, what chance is there that the President of >the College didn't know about it? If he truly didn't >know the situation was dire enough that the university >was drawing up exigency documents PRIOR to the board >meeting, then why did he not immediately QUIT upon >learning that the university was planning the closure >of HIS institution without his knowledge? > >Bullshit. > >-l > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all >the tools to get online. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 10:39:04 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:51:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> What are the different committees? Who put whom on or in charge of various committees? What are the benchmarks the committees are being held to? Who are they responsive to? Some research suggests that Ina is on the existing Alumni Board. Given the fundraising success of that group -- or, more accurately, lack thereof -- maybe we should think about some changes? There is a lack of transparency that is feeling a lot like the good-old Antioch I'm used to. Hopefully it's due to the recent mayhem but, given the importance of fundraising, I'm concerned Ina is not a frequent contributor to our discussion. I've already checked: there doesn't seem to be a single "hello group -- please give money" post which doesn't bode well. I don't think many strangers are going to swoop-in to save Antioch: I believe it's going to take old-fashioned creative fundraising from the current alumni. I don't think things like rock concerts will work except maybe to pull people together and hit them up for long-term donation pledges. But I'm just not seeing much effort (just the opposite: I tried and so have others and we're referred to invisible, faceless committees). Michael. PS: I'm not knocking the concert idea thing and -- for those who know me -- I'm perfectly comfortable dissecting ideas that I don't see as well advised. BUT I don't want to distract us from the boring but necessary task of garnering a couple thousand long-term (5-15 year) pledges for relatively small amounts ($20-200/month) that will raise adequate capital to save the College. It isn't as fun (well, maybe -- could make a good documentary as we find the ancient Antioch alumni and their descendents), but it will be effective. Maybe use the late-summer concert as the official kickoff for Antioch's first REAL fundraising drive in its 150 year history (insult very much intended to the current and former BoT's who blew their primary obligation to the College). ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Hopita@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:13 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; tgseto@hotmail.com; inafrank@adelphia.net Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change Thelma, I would suggest that you contact Ina Frank (_inafrank@adelphia.net_ (mailto:inafrank@adelphia.net) ). I believe she is chair of the fundraising committee. - Hope '92 In a message dated 6/29/2007 4:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:12:17 -0400 From: "Thelma Seto" Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I just finished helping an independent filmmaker fundraise for a film on the deleterious effects of mercury on human health--and Big Pharma's political machinations to keep the facts from the public. We approached the 400 richest, as well as 2002's Richest Americans list. In the process, I did a lot of research on each individual on these lists. Most of them are duds. There are roughly 10-12 who are not, though unless we deal with the root problems at the College, I don't think they will give. They are approached by a gazillion good projects for their billions. Some are not politically aware (or are downright hostile to the values Antioch espouses); others feel problems world-wide take precedence, as well as dealing with the holes the government's pathetic response to Hurricane Katrina have left gaping wide open. Some have very, very specific concerns (like animal rights--to be distinguished from animal welfare which is completely different) and are not likely donors. A few--5-12--are good prospects. Thelma "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 10:52:23 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:04:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change In-Reply-To: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: Micheal, The main task of the local chapters are outreach and fundraising. Sorry it has not been explict. Additional monies have been raised. More are expected to be raised soon. The fund will be moved into a transparent trust type situation with a greene county based non profit soon. Things are just moving faster than I think some of the non-information age folks are used to dealing with. Please be paitent. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From moloney at pobox.com Mon Jul 2 11:21:07 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:34:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B0B7171-8859-499A-9625-071BB1F61785@pobox.com> Gerry - I admire your optimism and your willingness to be a volunteer stage hand, but am less than convinced that a YSO-centered fest in the immediate future run "by ourselves" is the answer. This is not just a big concert for people to come and enjoy, this is an Event to make money and lots of it. The Nut for a profitable event is going to be pretty high, especially if it's in Yellow Spring. The cost may be low but as a barebones all volunteer show, so will the profit. Concert scenarios make money through t-shirts and alcohol/food. Large-scale benefits make money through hefty "table" purchases/entry fees (in the thousand dollar per table range). If we do have a large fundraiser, you want a scenario in which non- Antiochians will give money (because indeed, wouldn't that be the group we are trying to connect with). This means security, food/ drink, toilets, a decent amount of stable and safe outdoor staging, equipment and lighting rental, and a good sized group of stagehands (even if they are all volunteer, you need to feed them and at least give them swag.). I agree with Nick and Becky (both experienced fundraisers) - focusing on locally produced events with the Antioch Fest as a possible long term goal of the AntiochFest Nick described below. - beth (theatre/photo 95) On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Gerry Bello wrote: > > Nick, > > I'm not sure it would be so expensive to host the festival once. I > could count 3 experienced rock-n-roll stagehands just at reunion > (I'm one, Shawn Gaynor and Ed Tripple the others). I have 3 more > here that would work for free once for this. There is another in > our graduating class. Oh yeah... and then I think the rest of the > theater department might know their way around a stage also. > > Security: Volunteers... > > Publicity : Somebody step up > > Booking : Somebody step up > > Vendor coordinations and booth fees: Somebody step up > > The cost could be really low if we staff it ourselves. Which we > could do. 17,000 living alumni can not be defeated. > > > ----G > > > > >> From: "nick" >> >> Antioch College Fest. >> I think a large Antioch College Fest on site could be part of a >> long-term >> earned income strategy. (see below information on MerleFest) But, as >> another poster rightly points out, large festivals are costly and >> time >> consuming. I suggest we keep brainstorming on a nationally diffused, >> virally marketed (via online social networking space), locally >> event(s) >> produced by Antiochians and their friends without needing a lot of >> support. >> >> Several folks have emailed me directly offering to explore: >> -hosting a performance at their synagogue >> -doing an art auction in New York City >> -producing an Ebay auction >> -doing a concert in Detroit >> -contacting peer artists and scholars to join in the effort >> >> Such events could raise significant money from outside our current >> circle of >> supporters, be a way for Antiochians with social/artistic means to >> lend a >> hand, and finally, if in the end this is going to be a battle >> about the >> Antioch brand---a national series of artistic events by "the >> toughest little >> college in Ohio" is a good pitch and nice frame to the mainstream >> media and >> would allow us to craft a different sort of message about the >> College. >> We would need to set basic time parameter for events to occur >> within (one >> week???), a social networking site (think My Space Bands) that >> advertises >> the different events, and our media team cranking out some press. >> I'm >> thinking after some more brainstorming this could be a workgroup >> of the >> Development Team workgroup and shoot for a date in February??? >> >> Longer Term option for an Antioch College event: >> The Alumni Board could take on, under our newly established 501(c) >> (3); a YS >> based festival that could be run as profitable enterprise and >> would benefit >> the college. Take Wilkes Community College's (Wilkesboro,NC) >> which runs >> MerleFest, a cultural event which is the college's main source of >> outside >> revenue. >> >> Quoting from their annual report: >> A preliminary estimate calculates that the regional economic >> impact of >> MerleFest 2006 will reach a new record of $16,374,948. MerleFest >> 2005 had an >> estimated impact of $14,554,991, three years after 2002's former >> record of >> $15,045,673. >> >> Proceeds from MerleFest have permitted Wilkes Community College to >> make >> numerous capital improvements, including the Eddy Merle Watson >> Memorial >> Garden for the Senses, the Doc & Merle Watson Theatre, fiber-optic >> wiring >> for the campus, and the endowment of scholarships for its students. >> MerleFest has pledged $1,220,000 to the Next Step Campaign, the >> first phase >> of which includes the Science & Technology Building scheduled to >> open this >> fall. Over its first 18 years, MerleFest contributed $5.7 million >> to Wilkes >> Community College. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ >> saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ > saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org From aadole at adelphia.net Mon Jul 2 14:28:13 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:44:55 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/1/07 10:39 PM, "Robert Devine" wrote: > That's exactly right. While the faculty (all 30+ of us, and I really > can't speak for my colleagues) are seeking to protect our rights and > prerogatives in the process of termination that has been set in motion, I > believe we're also intent on keeping the College open. Not only is it a > realistic option, but it is, as far as I can determine, the only option. > I know this ground has been covered, but look closely at the fluff put out > by the hapless University PR folks about the 2012 vision. Where is co-op? > Where is reflection on experience? Where is shared governance and the > "authentic and meaningful" participation in democratic participation > spoken of by Algo Henderson? Where is the education for leadership and > civic responsibility? Where are the liberal arts, the history and > philosophy and sciences, and the processes of study, experience and > reflection that lead learners to take charge of their own thought, and to > develop the capacity for reflection and critical examination of the world > around them? > > It seems to me that some are too willing to give up on the liberal arts, > and the higher purposes of what humanities Professor Martha Nussbaum > describes as "Cultivating Humanity." On the one hand there are those with > nostalgia for a seemingly more obedient and more regimented time, and on > the other hand there are those who are seeking the shiny-new-thing that > will resolve the difficulties of educational delivery (we've already seen > one version of that movie). In both cases, it seems, the inclination is > to throw away the current faculty and students as if they are impediments > to the College's viability rather than the assets that make the > revitalization of the College possible. > > Norming the College to the standards and processes of the adult campuses > won't solve its problems. As the Dayton Daily News pointed out in its > recent editorial, this Board has not done well by the College, and there > is no reason to believe (a) that it can raise money for a revitalized > Antioch College in four years, when it could not raise the money to > sustain it in the short term, and (b) that it will do any better by the > College in the future than it did in the past. The College needs to stay > open, to gain autonomy, and to have its own Board. > > So I'm with you Matt. We need to continue to press and challenge, on all > fronts, right now, at the same time as inventing a scenario under which > the College can remain open and vital. > > My 2 cents. > > Bob > > > Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at > 12:35 AM -0500 wrote: >> I believe that it's also important to note that the '2012' year is not a >> date which was chosen because it made the best business sense and there >> was >> a plan which made it the best working date. It turns out that if they were >> to reopen earlier, they would have to rehire the tenured faculty. This is >> about purging Antioch College. >> >> Rowan >> >> On 7/1/07, Matthew Baya wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >>>> Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. >>> >>> Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I >>> mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard >>> right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about >>> the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it >>> may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' >>> is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. >>> >>> As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than >>> that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are >>> evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction >>> and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others >>> share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been >>> a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the >>> "Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the >>> business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. >>> I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new >>> curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think >>> they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, >>> the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed >>> was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the >>> BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ >>> community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places >>> make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. >>> it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated >>> ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's >>> at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and >>> vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from >>> the potential the college has. >>> >>> Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I >>> studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with >>> them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and >>> have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. >>> They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the >>> academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I >>> have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and >>> they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings >>> about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members >>> I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at >>> Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's >>> the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, >>> logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional >>> people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth >>> fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. >>> >>> While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and >>> of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept >>> the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and >>> restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on >>> this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. >>> That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject >>> brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise >>> funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down >>> the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a >>> 'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in >>> 2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a >>> fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with >>> the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying >>> college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left >>> the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I >>> believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not >>> closing it's doors. >>> >>> I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control >>> now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I >>> also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't >>> statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on >>> Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this >>> in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been >>> basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked >>> for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could >>> provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT >>> intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least >>> for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off >>> and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to >>> do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but >>> damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. >>> >>> This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we >>> reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan >>> and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch >>> reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and >>> Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for >>> down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, >>> I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from >>> where we are now without hitting the reset button. >>> >>> If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, >>> please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if >>> everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why >>> the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save >>> antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat >>> rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other >>> wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & >>> pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. >>> >>> -Matt '92 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SaveAntioch mailing list >>> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.o >> rg >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > Robert H. Devine > College Professor > Antioch College > Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 > > Our lives begin to end > the day we become silent > about things that matter" > > - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr > > > > I write as one who over a lifetime in the groves of academe has observed three attempted "closures" of programs "to save money". In two instances although the alumni made valiant efforts, the administrations simply ignored them. In the third instance, the faculty in collaboration with the alumni saved the program. They aroused politicians, the AAUP, and influential people. The administration listened, caved in, and the college in question is alive today. I think therefore our best chance is to support Bob, Duffy, Scott, Chris et al and to strongly encourage them when they take leadership. Their stake is much larger than ours--careers, homes, mortgages, community ties, and so on. A suggestion to the Alumni Board: Ask faculty/staff to elect a leader,subsidize him/her to spend full time on Renewal, provide for secretarial and travel assistance. I'd contribute to such an effort. Think about it. Art Dole '46 (also known as Emeritus Professor of Education, Arthur A. Dole, PhD, 50 years a member of AAUP, etc.) In other words, there's more than simple passion behind my observations. From m-vickers at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 11:41:57 2007 From: m-vickers at comcast.net (Michael I.Vickers) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:54:33 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56b828a97add2daa7bf1dbec6a49cd96@comcast.net> I agree with the concept of hiring one of the faculty, if available, to work on/coordinate revival efforts. I can't find the organizational center of gravity from reading notes on the list. Are there working groups operating behind the scenes? Mike Vickers, '69 On Jul 2, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Art Dole wrote: > I think therefore our best chance is to support Bob, Duffy, Scott, > Chris et > al and to strongly encourage them when they take leadership. Their > stake is > much larger than ours--careers, homes, mortgages, community ties, and > so on. > A suggestion to the Alumni Board: Ask faculty/staff to elect a > leader,subsidize him/her to spend full time on Renewal, provide for > secretarial and travel assistance. I'd contribute to such an effort. > Think > about it. > > Art Dole '46 (also known as Emeritus Professor of Education, Arthur A. > Dole, > PhD, 50 years a member of AAUP, etc.) In other words, there's more than > simple passion behind my observations. From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 2 11:44:19 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:56:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change In-Reply-To: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> References: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <1F827D56-96FE-4F86-AD01-7990FA89F09A@baya.net> On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Michael Olenick wrote: > What are the different committees? Who put whom on or in charge of > various > committees? What are the benchmarks the committees are being held > to? Who > are they responsive to? > > Some research suggests that Ina is on the existing Alumni Board. > Given the > fundraising success of that group -- or, more accurately, lack > thereof -- > maybe we should think about some changes? Michael - Just a quick note to clarify about the Alumni Board (which I was a member of 7 years ago). Up until this revival fund was created they worked with the Antioch development office in an advisory capacity and raised no funds on their own. I don't think the alumni board is the problem here, there are a number of very smart and dynamic individuals on that board and at least from my observations and communications they provide very good representation of alumni through the generations. As for your questions about the different committees I am working with the Alumni Board to get information about their membership, committees & process up on the web site as soon as possible. So all I'm saying is when you're pointing those blame throwers, I don't think the Alumni Board is the problem here. It may need a little tweaking here and there, but on the scale of problems to fix, there are bigger fish to fry. BTW - I think you'd make an excellent Alumni Board member. Think about it. -Matt '92 From michael.heffernan at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 13:10:20 2007 From: michael.heffernan at gmail.com (da-bronx) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:22:51 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <920435b0707021010s7a9322a4wbca5b9df9644bf38@mail.gmail.com> Matt, Thank you for your inspiring post. Indeed, you are not alone. There are a LOT of us working towards the goal of Saving Antioch. I know that you are aware of this but I want to make that clear to the nay-sayers and BoT apologists. No, the BoT may not be evil but they are clearly unwilling and unable to work in the best interest of the College. They no longer see the College as a unique learning community, comprised of a dedicated staff and faculty, and intelligent students who truly want to make a difference in the world. An institution with over 150 years of excellence and innovation. Rather, it has become a financial opportunity. One that must be cleansed of "toxicity" and tenure, and Community governance, before profitability?for some??can be realized. And not even all of the BoT feel that way. Those who voted against this resolution made it very clear how deeply they feel connected to the College and its mission. As a result, some have joined our ranks in support of Saving Antioch, in support of keeping Antioch OPEN. I also believe, in my own humble opinion, if the doors close for four years, the College will NOT re-open. And if the BoT is somehow able to manage the hat trick and raise funds to re-open in 2012, it will be as nothing any alum, from any generation, will be able to recognize as being Antioch College. In Solidarity, Michael Heffernan, '96. Former employee, Alumni Board member. -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Ubi dubium, ibi libertas." From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 13:58:11 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 14:10:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change In-Reply-To: <1F827D56-96FE-4F86-AD01-7990FA89F09A@baya.net> References: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> <1F827D56-96FE-4F86-AD01-7990FA89F09A@baya.net> Message-ID: <00c601c7bcd2$8e210070$6501a8c0@michaelo> Hi Matt, Just being cranky, as usual. Blame throwers are aimed 100% at the BoT whose first, second, and third priority over the years should have been ensuring the financial stability of A/C: AdCil and others were there for the "other" stuff (that is, running a school). The BoT blew it, in the same way that Arthur Anderson messed up their oversight responsibilities in the Enron case, and deserve the same fate IMO. So apologies to anybody that was annoyed, unless you're a BoT member reading this (that'd be an interesting question: are they too arrogant to not bother tracking this stuff?). Still -- I'd think/want/hope the Alumni Board will communicate often -- more than I do! -- ending pretty much every piece of correspondence with the proverbial "So, which financial package are you in for?" mantra. I'd love to join the Board, with a primary focus on fundraising and secondary focuses on a renewal plan and legal remedies, though I think all three of those are tied closely together (it's that classic conflict resolution recipe -- add two parts carrot; one part stick; shake vigorously then throw at other side). Michael. PS: It's interesting how many of us are from similar era's over the years. It's be fun to plot our graduation years on a scatter-plot when all this winds down and some group of students/professors is busy documenting how the College was rescued. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Baya Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:44 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:39 AM, Michael Olenick wrote: > What are the different committees? Who put whom on or in charge of > various committees? What are the benchmarks the committees are being > held to? Who are they responsive to? > > Some research suggests that Ina is on the existing Alumni Board. > Given the > fundraising success of that group -- or, more accurately, lack thereof > -- maybe we should think about some changes? Michael - Just a quick note to clarify about the Alumni Board (which I was a member of 7 years ago). Up until this revival fund was created they worked with the Antioch development office in an advisory capacity and raised no funds on their own. I don't think the alumni board is the problem here, there are a number of very smart and dynamic individuals on that board and at least from my observations and communications they provide very good representation of alumni through the generations. As for your questions about the different committees I am working with the Alumni Board to get information about their membership, committees & process up on the web site as soon as possible. So all I'm saying is when you're pointing those blame throwers, I don't think the Alumni Board is the problem here. It may need a little tweaking here and there, but on the scale of problems to fix, there are bigger fish to fry. BTW - I think you'd make an excellent Alumni Board member. Think about it. -Matt '92 _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 14:32:02 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 14:44:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest In-Reply-To: <0B0B7171-8859-499A-9625-071BB1F61785@pobox.com> Message-ID: Agreed in principle, however keep in mind that that there of so many of this that "focusing" on this or that does not precluded other this or thats. There is space the project of saving antioch for every little project. Antioch - Fest does not disclude local fundraising and all the other little things we will do. As long as we dont individually over commit (which is a danger for us) we should actually be able to do everything. Also, food and swag is easy... And I remembered that I could probably get the ComFest Beer trucks. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Elizabeth Moloney >To: "Save Antioch. Save the World" >,Alumni Chat List > >CC: Nick Szuberla >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] Antioch College Fest >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:21:07 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) >X-Originating-IP: 208.120.207.225 >Received: from thunder.svaha.org ([70.85.195.2]) by >bay0-mc4-f1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 >Jul 2007 08:22:53 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thunder.svaha.org)by >thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >)id 1I5NjD-0003nE-Gh; Mon, 02 >Jul 2007 10:22:15 -0500 >Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66])by >thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from ) >id 1I5NjC-0003n8-8sfor saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 >10:22:14 -0500 >Received: from [208.120.207.225] (helo=[10.0.1.2])by >elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34)id >1I5Nid-00027q-O1; Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:21:39 -0400 >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt1AQf4CDyBkooEY8wz3wj9xes9u5JcPKGdAQiC+o0YnuGU/Z5g1PX5o >References: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) >X-ELNK-Trace: >e555f33b4148f5bc89cb21dbd10cbf767e972de0d01da940d16320f8ef0d5e595124a3366ea5e8bc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >X-BeenThere: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: "Save Antioch. Save the >World." >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: > >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with >any abuse report >X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thunder.svaha.org >X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hotmail.com >X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] >X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lists.antiochians.org >X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Return-Path: >saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 15:22:53.0535 (UTC) >FILETIME=[DC1166F0:01C7BCBC] > >Gerry - > >I admire your optimism and your willingness to be a volunteer stage >hand, but am less than convinced that a YSO-centered fest in the >immediate future run "by ourselves" is the answer. > >This is not just a big concert for people to come and enjoy, this is >an Event to make money and lots of it. The Nut for a profitable >event is going to be pretty high, especially if it's in Yellow >Spring. The cost may be low but as a barebones all volunteer show, >so will the profit. Concert scenarios make money through t-shirts >and alcohol/food. Large-scale benefits make money through hefty >"table" purchases/entry fees (in the thousand dollar per table range). > >If we do have a large fundraiser, you want a scenario in which non- >Antiochians will give money (because indeed, wouldn't that be the >group we are trying to connect with). This means security, food/ >drink, toilets, a decent amount of stable and safe outdoor staging, >equipment and lighting rental, and a good sized group of stagehands >(even if they are all volunteer, you need to feed them and at least >give them swag.). > >I agree with Nick and Becky (both experienced fundraisers) - focusing >on locally produced events with the Antioch Fest as a possible long >term goal of the AntiochFest Nick described below. > >- beth (theatre/photo 95) > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > > > Nick, > > > > I'm not sure it would be so expensive to host the festival once. I > > could count 3 experienced rock-n-roll stagehands just at reunion > > (I'm one, Shawn Gaynor and Ed Tripple the others). I have 3 more > > here that would work for free once for this. There is another in > > our graduating class. Oh yeah... and then I think the rest of the > > theater department might know their way around a stage also. > > > > Security: Volunteers... > > > > Publicity : Somebody step up > > > > Booking : Somebody step up > > > > Vendor coordinations and booth fees: Somebody step up > > > > The cost could be really low if we staff it ourselves. Which we > > could do. 17,000 living alumni can not be defeated. > > > > > > ----G > > > > > > > > > >> From: "nick" > >> > >> Antioch College Fest. > >> I think a large Antioch College Fest on site could be part of a > >> long-term > >> earned income strategy. (see below information on MerleFest) But, as > >> another poster rightly points out, large festivals are costly and > >> time > >> consuming. I suggest we keep brainstorming on a nationally diffused, > >> virally marketed (via online social networking space), locally > >> event(s) > >> produced by Antiochians and their friends without needing a lot of > >> support. > >> > >> Several folks have emailed me directly offering to explore: > >> -hosting a performance at their synagogue > >> -doing an art auction in New York City > >> -producing an Ebay auction > >> -doing a concert in Detroit > >> -contacting peer artists and scholars to join in the effort > >> > >> Such events could raise significant money from outside our current > >> circle of > >> supporters, be a way for Antiochians with social/artistic means to > >> lend a > >> hand, and finally, if in the end this is going to be a battle > >> about the > >> Antioch brand---a national series of artistic events by "the > >> toughest little > >> college in Ohio" is a good pitch and nice frame to the mainstream > >> media and > >> would allow us to craft a different sort of message about the > >> College. > >> We would need to set basic time parameter for events to occur > >> within (one > >> week???), a social networking site (think My Space Bands) that > >> advertises > >> the different events, and our media team cranking out some press. > >> I'm > >> thinking after some more brainstorming this could be a workgroup > >> of the > >> Development Team workgroup and shoot for a date in February??? > >> > >> Longer Term option for an Antioch College event: > >> The Alumni Board could take on, under our newly established 501(c) > >> (3); a YS > >> based festival that could be run as profitable enterprise and > >> would benefit > >> the college. Take Wilkes Community College's (Wilkesboro,NC) > >> which runs > >> MerleFest, a cultural event which is the college's main source of > >> outside > >> revenue. > >> > >> Quoting from their annual report: > >> A preliminary estimate calculates that the regional economic > >> impact of > >> MerleFest 2006 will reach a new record of $16,374,948. MerleFest > >> 2005 had an > >> estimated impact of $14,554,991, three years after 2002's former > >> record of > >> $15,045,673. > >> > >> Proceeds from MerleFest have permitted Wilkes Community College to > >> make > >> numerous capital improvements, including the Eddy Merle Watson > >> Memorial > >> Garden for the Senses, the Doc & Merle Watson Theatre, fiber-optic > >> wiring > >> for the campus, and the endowment of scholarships for its students. > >> MerleFest has pledged $1,220,000 to the Next Step Campaign, the > >> first phase > >> of which includes the Science & Technology Building scheduled to > >> open this > >> fall. Over its first 18 years, MerleFest contributed $5.7 million > >> to Wilkes > >> Community College. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SaveAntioch mailing list > >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning > > Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SaveAntioch mailing list > > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org _________________________________________________________________ Picture this share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From bcklopfer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 15:06:56 2007 From: bcklopfer at yahoo.com (Barry Klopfer) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:19:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think we should take heed of Art's suggestion that the Alumni Board elect a faculty/staff leader and subsidize her/him to spend full time on the revival. I also believe alumni funds raised thus far would be wisely spent in providing this representative with administrative and travel assistance. I suggest any "job description" for this role ought to, obviously, be in writing and I think there should be a firm commitment to reaching an objective which exceeds the immediate (and very real) needs of expanding severance packages, etc. That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. Barry Klopfer '97 --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 2 15:10:01 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:22:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Barry Klopfer and Art Dole..this is Duffy Please make your suggestion of a liason person directly to the two chief officers of the alumni board. Duffy From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:10:55 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:23:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There may be a conflict of interest here. If they faculty are suing a faculty member might have their hands tied in what they can say or do. We do need an organizer or 5... and we should spend very little money to get one. It should be somebody from staff or an Alumni from town. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Barry Klopfer >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc10-f16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, >2 Jul 2007 12:07:03 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id C33956058791;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:19:29 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com >(web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[216.252.121.72])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) >with SMTP id EDE7E6058762for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 >15:19:25 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 41736 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 19:06:56 -0000 >Received: from [75.209.15.215] by web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP;Mon, >02 Jul 2007 12:06:56 PDT >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42nyx9av6u3/2VeCwPpDJEchiHUrA4KfqSs0KeIarKBA/3Md4ZEuZgc >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; >d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=cxu9P3oeHopPhjk4t7VZi/70SfC20hd7gpRtYaCMoD8ewkNpmJjFp/Nen186Mr91JAwI3XiTp3MbQj8eke+jsG6tu/xsinT7KfLLHBBsfpM4NwNeJGbDIAJRfPbBRFT7cXGxm9KM6JFedBwNe4/Z3V+co63IhshMJFXrww3LaxE=; >X-YMail-OSG: >Yl9W8AsVM1mZprRWRgjeN7bccFHbpCdDg8RKFk5WtnLULfUvuAGKq5G0ZH28ZVH2RgunYO6SF7TYIbyiRsGM5f_BD32nwpqwhbVhiL5.UFI7qaWkP7wUvbqOvJIY >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 19:07:03.0556 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2CE7BC40:01C7BCDC] > > >I think we should take heed of Art's suggestion that the >Alumni Board elect a faculty/staff leader and subsidize >her/him to spend full time on the revival. I also believe >alumni funds raised thus far would be wisely spent in >providing this representative with administrative and travel >assistance. I suggest any "job description" for this role >ought to, obviously, be in writing and I think there should >be a firm commitment to reaching an objective which exceeds >the immediate (and very real) needs of expanding severance >packages, etc. > >That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person >is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone >on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. > >Barry Klopfer '97 > > > >--------------------------------- >Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 15:17:13 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:29:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010101c7bcdd$9923c100$6501a8c0@michaelo> I'm not sure that any prior College administrator, especially Bob Devine, should be in a position like this. Whomever is tasked with this will have to be able to honestly answer the question "What happened, what was your involvement, and how will you make sure my money will be wisely used to make sure it never happens again?" Almost all prior administrators -- and especially a prior President -- is going to alienate at least some potential donors with their answer or lack thereof. What are they doing to say: "We were up to 200 people with a 90% admissions rate?" I don't know about most but I'm looking for classes of 500 people with a 10% admissions rate. Additionally Bob alienated many, many alumni by not negotiating with the AIF during his time as President. Regardless of his reasons for doing so the leader of this drive will need the support of those same donors. The person in this position should not be saddled with a history that alienated a large number of influential and affluent alumni. Michael. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Barry Klopfer Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:07 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan I think we should take heed of Art's suggestion that the Alumni Board elect a faculty/staff leader and subsidize her/him to spend full time on the revival. I also believe alumni funds raised thus far would be wisely spent in providing this representative with administrative and travel assistance. I suggest any "job description" for this role ought to, obviously, be in writing and I think there should be a firm commitment to reaching an objective which exceeds the immediate (and very real) needs of expanding severance packages, etc. That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. Barry Klopfer '97 --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From ccary60 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 15:43:58 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:56:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: References: <174814.96683.qm@web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, it in no way does prove that. It does suggest that the University Leadership Council (made up of all campus Presidents, the Vice Chancellor for Finance and the Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs) and the ULC Chair, the Chancellor, had some planning in motion prior to the Board June meeting. Whether the Board had knowledge of this is unclear. One would have to look at the minutes of the meetings to determine this. I'm not taking the BoT off the hook but I think it's important to get clarity about where, what, and when information was shared with the Board. Callie '84 On 7/2/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > Good eye Laura. > > We now have the proof that the BOT was planning this all along > > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt > about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves > the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > > > > > >From: Laura Fathauer > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >To: Alumni Chat List > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial > >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by > >bay0-mc12-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); > Mon, > >2 Jul 2007 06:48:14 -0700 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8A16056DC5;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:00:39 -0400 > (EDT) > >Received: from web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com > >(web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com[69.147.97.127])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) > >with SMTP id 79DA96056DA5for ; Mon, 2 Jul > 2007 > >10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: (qmail 99064 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 13:48:10 -0000 > >Received: from [128.146.8.196] by web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com via > HTTP;Mon, > >02 Jul 2007 06:48:10 PDT > >X-Message-Info: > >txF49lGdW40SAwAc3QmGSE/NUmjfop9WRgyDbawNnZrPer4qsAuYOntmkECfBgTI > >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; > >d=yahoo.com > ;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=vUNlSGH1V39e8kTlshFkob2NMe5rFdphlVarztkTiZfmLrbHQXLjTHDNc8+bfDwda/FEGYvIzx/E97nMfoLyzT0gouniIKAow1y7bdsccsatS5S3w3N76zFLZC17twfTmZEQT2rEhHusTAC2nUHQgnHa79x16FCJaGwRy7r58hc=; > >X-YMail-OSG: > > > VQo1jc8VM1mpXKdJ2ceJDutjwhJY5EdXnBy52PzBoMgSfmyz.PCTku1cyVkFzdCGX_WvKeL9YYrZ3dyG_lbiXJTEG7K3bmhUpmnhrMyC0bxaLdHjoH44Zleblkwa148f82SOIEqDGgPR_0I- > >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: Alumni Chat List > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=unsubscribe> > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=subscribe> > >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 13:48:14.0729 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[A33C5F90:01C7BCAF] > > > > > Sunday, July 01, 2007 > > > > > > One of the more remarkable statements made in the > > > wake of the > > > announcement of Antioch College's closing was by > > > President Steven > > > Lawry. > > > > > > He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus > > > that the decision > > > was coming was that he didn't know. > > > >Here's where I call "Bullshit". > >(aka I know you're not holding 5 aces in your hand.) > > > >Preamble to the Board Resolution, of June 9th: > >"Having thus considered all of the options open to it, > >the Board saw no alternative but to immediately > >declare financial exigency at the College. Rather than > >close the College permanently, the Board sought to > >encourage further development of a plan brought > >forward by the University Leadership Council without > >dissent." > > > >If ULC brought a plan TO THE BOARD regarding the > >'reopening' of the college, at what point PRIOR to the > >board resolution did the ULC (including the College > >president) discuss this plan for the 'reopening?' Is > >the Board lying about ULC bringing forth this plan, or > >is the president lying about discussions he had prior > >to the June board meeting? > > > >Look at the date of the resolution. June 9th. Means > >the board meeting was June 8th and 9th. > > > >Go back and look at the date on the last page of the > >6-page "Declaration of Financial Exigency". It says > >"6-5-07". > > > >Given the dates on the documents produced BY the > >university, this means the University walked into the > >June board meeting with the declaration IN HAND. > > > >If the University is drawing up plans for financial > >exigency PRIOR to the board meeting, discussion, and > >resolution, what chance is there that the President of > >the College didn't know about it? If he truly didn't > >know the situation was dire enough that the university > >was drawing up exigency documents PRIOR to the board > >meeting, then why did he not immediately QUIT upon > >learning that the university was planning the closure > >of HIS institution without his knowledge? > > > >Bullshit. > > > >-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you > all > >the tools to get online. > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. > http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 15:53:50 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:06:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:51:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, matt@baya.net writes: (see quote below in body of post). Matt, it would never have been my preference to close down the College and disburse the student body and faculty so as to engineer something new -- that is, never my preference as first choice. I think much better choices could have been made back in the early 90's. But reality is reality -- and in fact, this present situation is precisely the Arthur Morgan solution when he took over in 1920, to either bury the place or re-invent it. He fired all the faculty but one, had all the students re-apply again, and changed out the whole board of trustees, and at least one of the roots of the Antioch you know is a product of this Morgan major surgery. The big difference is that the BoT has not provided an acceptable leader for the rebuilding process, and it certainly has not met any sort of standard of clear communication with all the stakeholders as to their reasoning process. They certainly have not put a clear plan on the table, and generally speaking, I am not much impressed with the group think product of consultants such as was wafted about in this instance. All I am asking folk to do is look at things clearly. Sometimes critical choices have to be made. I see it right now as expending resources and energy on a non-plan for rescue of I-don't-quite-know-what, given that the core of any school, students and faculty, are for the immediate future making understandable decisions and leaving, or planning to leave. I think it is an illusion to believe you can invest resources in this pattern and expect it to be a part of successfully rebuilding the College. Well I don't put any resources I control or influence behind illusions such as this. But I do argue and compare -- so hold with my comparison. I think the illusion that you can keep doing what you are doing if it has not proved successful given your stated goal and expect a different outcome, is, not only an illusion, but a potentially quite dangerous one. Example, George W. Bush. He says he wants to build a nice peaceful democracy in Iraq, but to accomplish that he needs to send half of my state's National Guard over there for combat duty. And he did send 30 thousand of them for over a year, mostly the sons and daughters of small business people, teachers, farmers, etc., of small town Minnesota. Some of those are coming home now needing treatment for PTSD, others with brain injury, some are so wounded they will not easily function again, others are coming home in a box, and yea, a fair share are coming back ok -- but still no nice peaceful democracy in Iraq. I think it an illusion to believe one should send the other half of the Guard over there for the same purpose, following the same plan. As we once used to say at Antioch -- re-think your basic assumptions. You want to get from point X to point Y, it would be a good idea to look at the map and plan how to actually accomplish the journey, and what your options might be. My whole point is that if you don't have a clear view of the current situation, the usefulness of your assets, a solid concept of your goal, the benchmarks necessary to achieve it, you are essentially asking people to invest in failure -- just as clearly as Bush is asking family and friends of National Guard in Rural Minnesota to sacrifice their friends and family for Bush's illusion that more combat will produce a nifty little democratic political culture in Iraq. Look, some illusions can be quite expensive and very dangerous. I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. This is precisely the kind of thinking that calls us to --- in the old Antioch Mantra --- re-evaluate some basic assumptions. Yep, people may have ideas, vision and passion, but do they have a plan? Are the ideas related to the vision? Are they linked together? Are they shared with most stakeholders? Besides Passion, (which can be fleeting when other matters require attention,) what hard assets are required for a plan to be realized, and do you have them? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 15:59:48 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:12:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change In-Reply-To: <009101c7bcb6$bd2707f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: Please oh please be mindful when you post: to delete the long strings below your new post. It's become quite cumbersome to sort out the new from the old. My middle-aged eye site thanks you! Dawn'83 On 7/2/07 7:39 AM, "Michael Olenick" wrote: > What are the different committees? Who put whom on or in charge of various > committees? What are the benchmarks the committees are being held to? Who > are they responsive to? > > Some research suggests that Ina is on the existing Alumni Board. Given the > fundraising success of that group -- or, more accurately, lack thereof -- > maybe we should think about some changes? > > There is a lack of transparency that is feeling a lot like the good-old > Antioch I'm used to. Hopefully it's due to the recent mayhem but, given the > importance of fundraising, I'm concerned Ina is not a frequent contributor > to our discussion. I've already checked: there doesn't seem to be a single > "hello group -- please give money" post which doesn't bode well. > > I don't think many strangers are going to swoop-in to save Antioch: I > believe it's going to take old-fashioned creative fundraising from the > current alumni. I don't think things like rock concerts will work except > maybe to pull people together and hit them up for long-term donation > pledges. But I'm just not seeing much effort (just the opposite: I tried > and so have others and we're referred to invisible, faceless committees). > > Michael. > > PS: I'm not knocking the concert idea thing and -- for those who know me -- > I'm perfectly comfortable dissecting ideas that I don't see as well advised. > BUT I don't want to distract us from the boring but necessary task of > garnering a couple thousand long-term (5-15 year) pledges for relatively > small amounts ($20-200/month) that will raise adequate capital to save the > College. It isn't as fun (well, maybe -- could make a good documentary as > we find the ancient Antioch alumni and their descendents), but it will be > effective. Maybe use the late-summer concert as the official kickoff for > Antioch's first REAL fundraising drive in its 150 year history (insult very > much intended to the current and former BoT's who blew their primary > obligation to the College). > > ----------------- > Michael Olenick > Tel: 561-649-0962 > Mobile: 561-699-5056 > olenick@valueinnovation.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Hopita@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:13 AM > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; tgseto@hotmail.com; inafrank@adelphia.net > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change > > > > Thelma, > > I would suggest that you contact Ina Frank (_inafrank@adelphia.net_ > (mailto:inafrank@adelphia.net) ). I believe she is chair of the fundraising > committee. > > - Hope '92 > > > > In a message dated 6/29/2007 4:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:12:17 -0400 > From: "Thelma Seto" > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] a CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion for a change > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I just finished helping an independent filmmaker fundraise for a film on > the deleterious effects of mercury on human health--and Big Pharma's > political machinations to keep the facts from the public. We approached > the 400 richest, as well as 2002's Richest Americans list. In the process, > I did a lot of research on each individual on these lists. > > Most of them are duds. There are roughly 10-12 who are not, though unless > we deal with the root problems at the College, I don't think they will > give. > They are approached by a gazillion good projects for their billions. Some > are not politically aware (or are downright hostile to the values Antioch > espouses); others feel problems world-wide take precedence, as well as > dealing with the holes the government's pathetic response to Hurricane > Katrina have left gaping wide open. Some have very, very specific concerns > (like animal rights--to be distinguished from animal welfare which is > completely different) and are not likely donors. > > A few--5-12--are good prospects. > > Thelma > > > > > > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution > inevitable." > - John F. Kennedy > > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this > without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor > protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 16:07:33 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:20:06 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <56b828a97add2daa7bf1dbec6a49cd96@comcast.net> Message-ID: I also think we should consider underwriting the faculty's legal fight for tenure out of the funds we are raising. -Dawn '83 On 7/2/07 8:41 AM, "Michael I.Vickers" wrote: > I agree with the concept of hiring one of the faculty, if available, to > work on/coordinate revival efforts. > > Mike Vickers, '69 > > > On Jul 2, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Art Dole wrote: > >> I think therefore our best chance is to support Bob, Duffy, Scott, >> Chris et >> al and to strongly encourage them when they take leadership. Their >> stake is >> much larger than ours--careers, homes, mortgages, community ties, and >> so on. > From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 2 16:13:56 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:25:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 11:57 AM -0500 wrote: > >My whole point is that if you don't have a clear view of the current >situation, the usefulness of your assets, a solid concept of your goal, >the >benchmarks necessary to achieve it, you are essentially asking people to >invest in >failure -- just as clearly as Bush is asking family and friends of >National >Guard in Rural Minnesota to sacrifice their friends and family for Bush's > >illusion that more combat will produce a nifty little democratic >political culture >in Iraq. Look, some illusions can be quite expensive and very >dangerous. > It seems to me that there are a number of "clear views" of the current situation, informed by varying degrees of first hand experience. With all due respect, my "clear view" is that the Board created the current situation at the College, and left to the leadership of the University for the next four years, there will be no future for Antioch College. My clear view is that an independent College, with its emphasis on experiential learning and reflection, participation in shared governance and the civic life of the community, and a strong liberal arts curriculum, can compete and prosper -- if given the chance. It's important to remember, I think, that the College was not the failure in this drama, its leadership was the true failure. And I think the analogy to Bush and Irag appeals more to pathos than to logos. Bob From sturniphorse at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 16:27:11 2007 From: sturniphorse at yahoo.com (Stephanie Knol) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:39:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Hiring a staff leader for the Revival Message-ID: <774896.67637.qm@web56507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> This is my first post, but I've been following the conversation for a long time. I just had one thought regarding the possible creation of a paid organizer position for our revival effort: Is there anyone who has already lost their job at Antioch who would be appropriate for this position? Stephanie Knol '01 I think we should take heed of Art's suggestion that the Alumni Board elect a faculty/staff leader and subsidize her/him to spend full time on the revival. I also believe alumni funds raised thus far would be wisely spent in providing this representative with administrative and travel assistance. I suggest any "job description" for this role ought to, obviously, be in writing and I think there should be a firm commitment to reaching an objective which exceeds the immediate (and very real) needs of expanding severance packages, etc. That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. Barry Klopfer '97 --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From ilse1 at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 16:50:41 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:03:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bob's view of July 2 References: Message-ID: <02a401c7bcea$a7902780$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> I'm with Bob on this. Now what is the plan to use the funds to preserve the YS property for the College; to retain the faculty and current students; to recruit more students for the College? Ilse Moon '53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Devine" To: "Alumni Chat List" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan > It seems to me that there are a number of "clear views" of the current > situation, informed by varying degrees of first hand experience. With all > due respect, my "clear view" is that the Board created the current > situation at the College, and left to the leadership of the University for > the next four years, there will be no future for Antioch College. My > clear view is that an independent College, with its emphasis on > experiential learning and reflection, participation in shared governance > and the civic life of the community, and a strong liberal arts curriculum, > can compete and prosper -- if given the chance. It's important to > remember, I think, that the College was not the failure in this drama, its > leadership was the true failure. > > And I think the analogy to Bush and Irag appeals more to pathos than to > logos. > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 7/1/2007 > 12:19 PM > > From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 16:55:51 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:08:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011e01c7bceb$6032b1e0$6501a8c0@michaelo> If we take the state of the College in the best possible light from prior administrators we were looking at about 200 students/year with an acceptance rate of about 90%. That may be or may not be financially sustainable but it is not acceptable. Antioch deserves better. The BoT tried something different and that, apparently, failed miserably. I'm not sure that their efforts were in good faith but, even if they were, I don't know why they were micro-managing the College rather than fundraising. Still, just because they're either incompetent or crooked doesn't mean that they're stupid: something had to change. Several alumni realized this which is where the AIF came from: the College entirely ignored them (my aunt -- who, for some reason, isn't participating here -- was an AIF participant). Things seemed to be on an upward trend when I left. Al Guskin was undoing the damage done in the "strike" (read: riot from my understanding) of '73 subsequent decay. There was a lot of enthusiasm for the future of the College. I notice that many of my classmates are active participants in this discussion. What happened!? It's like seeing a child leave on an extended trip then come back near dead: an awful feeling. Michael. From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 16:58:36 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:11:12 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:18:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rowankaiser@gmail.com writes: I believe that it's also important to note that the '2012' year is not a date which was chosen because it made the best business sense and there was a plan which made it the best working date. It turns out that if they were to reopen earlier, they would have to rehire the tenured faculty. This is about purging Antioch College. Rowan On 7/1/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > > Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. > > Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I > mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard > right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about > the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it > may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' > is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. I want to say that the selective quote from all I have written here is quite irresponsible. Moreover to suggest that I support closing the college so as to eliminate the tenure or other contracts of existing staff is wrongheaded. (one might say, analysis based on ideological spin about motives)!!! Yes, that may be the impact, but that is not why I reached the conclusions I did. Perhaps someone would like to critically read and see if you can comprehend my logic. I don't see keeping an institution functioning when it is in decline to the point it cannot be sustained. That doesn't mean I don't fully support the core values and principles of an institution -- I certainly do support the older and more clearly stated Antioch values and principles which I see as a Jewel of an Academic Enterprise at the core, with an outer coating of experimentation and shared democratic decision making, really decision making by consensus where all participants feel an obligation to comprehend the elements of decisions, and participate. Spin, based on false quotes from the writings of others, is the enemy of all this -- and it needs to be pointed out when you see it. I believe putting lots of effort and resources into keeping the college open at this point when students and faculty are already planning to go elsewhere, is not a plan that is a good investment if you want an Antioch that will last many more years -- a Progressive Liberal Arts program for the 21st Century. I think you have to make critical choices in how you use assets, and preserving a learning community that failed to attract and hold students is not my idea of a good choice. Moreover, in recent weeks I have strongly suggested a Forensic Audit so as to understand the decision continuum about College Assets over the years, I have suggested a comprehensive review of the College History back at least 50 years so as to comprehend What Went Wrong, I think, at the least, understanding the use of assets and the decision patterns are necessary to any plan for the future. I also believe there have to be serious studies of the education marketplace in the predictable future, I frankly doubt if there is much of one for high priced "communities of learning" in down at heel locations which don't even seem to have WiFi available. Moreover, I think one ought to check the assumption that alumni will invest in any of this under current conditions and without a clear plan for the future. Most of us are a lot smarter than that you know. If anyone wants to comprehend what a "save Antioch" fund drive would look like -- look no further than today's papers and the stories about Obama's successful fund raising during the last quarter that seems to have netted him about 33 million and about 250 thousand donors. To fix Antioch one will have to accomplish at least three of these -- if not in number of donors, in size of money raised. And people think this can be done with bake sales and volunteer staffed rock concerts??? Good lord. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 17:12:00 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:24:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:04:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dramamama@nyc.rr.com writes: I want to point out that somewhere - is it the Alumni Board bylaws? - it is stated that you are considered an alumnus if you were enrolled at Antioch College for one year. There are many who went for only a short time but are committed. I myself dropped out after three years, but served on the Alumni Board for most of the '90s (including a stint as vice president) as well as heading up the alum work project before reunion for untold years. I don't think we should shut out anyone who fits into the current definition of an alum who wants to work for the school. - Robin '64 Yes Robin, but you also walked the mound to get your degree. And If I am right, you also got a College Degree. My point is essentially legal. During the AIF days, Katy Jako got threatening letters from the University Lawyers for using the word "Antioch" on that fund. In fact one of the reasons for moving ahead quickly and disbursing the fund once negotiations had not come to fruition was to avoid a University claim on the fund, and a long process of legal fights over control of an asset that would have used up the fund. Thus the fund was disbursed to secondary charitable designees, the fund was closed, and the issue of the right to ownership of the term Antioch was mooted. I believe those who have earned an Antioch College Degree may well be a class that can use the word Antioch. I also believe some people who earned a substantial number of credits toward a degree at Antioch College may fit in under a "membership" notion. But be careful here -- the University apparently has some very clever lawyers that are sensitive on this score. I believe the Alumni Board can turn itself into a foundation and use the Antioch name, as long as it uses a criteria of "membership" (Antioch College Degree Holder) that will pass muster. And I raise this issue only because I know a little of the AIF history, the cloud of a legal fight the University attorney's introduced, and my hope that people working this now take that little bit of history into consideration as they plan ahead. I am not in favor of raising a lot of funds, and then being a sitting duck for the University coming in and claiming the accounts. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From danny.kirchoff at mail.law.cuny.edu Mon Jul 2 17:26:35 2007 From: danny.kirchoff at mail.law.cuny.edu (Danny Kirchoff) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:36:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <20070702191931.144296058797@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070702191931.144296058797@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: Thursday at 7:30pm sounds great. See you then...danny On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: > Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, >visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body >'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is >more specific > than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 17:24:55 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:37:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I think the illusion that you can keep doing what you are doing if it has >not proved successful given your stated goal and expect a different >outcome, >is, not only an illusion, but a potentially quite dangerous one. >Example, >George W. Bush. He says he wants to build a nice peaceful democracy in >Iraq, >but to accomplish that he needs to send half of my state's National Guard >over >there for combat duty. And he did send 30 thousand of them for over a >year, >mostly the sons and daughters of small business people, teachers, farmers, >etc., of small town Minnesota. Some of those are coming home now needing >treatment for PTSD, others with brain injury, some are so wounded they >will not >easily function again, others are coming home in a box, and yea, a fair >share >are coming back ok -- but still no nice peaceful democracy in Iraq. I >think >it an illusion to believe one should send the other half of the Guard over >there for the same purpose, following the same plan. As we once used to >say at >Antioch -- re-think your basic assumptions. You want to get from point X >to >point Y, it would be a good idea to look at the map and plan how to >actually >accomplish the journey, and what your options might be. > So what you are saying is that unless we shutdown the college, believe what the university says, fire all of my mentors and friends, and destroy my legacy, then we are just like George Bush? "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 17:45:47 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:58:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 3:56:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olenick@valueinnovation.net writes: Several alumni realized this which is where the AIF came from: the College entirely ignored them (my aunt -- who, for some reason, isn't participating here -- was an AIF participant). I think AIF left lots of us totally disillusioned with Antioch -- forever probably, but certainly we remember well being kicked about while the fund was in existence, and nicely slammed when the point of it all -- a plan for an independent College Board of Trustees, was not even open to negotiation, and we sent the funds on to the secondary charitable designees. I wonder if those who just assume Alumni are going to open the checkbooks have looked at that list of members of AIF, and the various reports about the history of that effort. Illusions are fine, but sometimes there is some hard evidence about what has previously been attempted, that needs to be understood if your assumptions are realistic. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 17:47:56 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:00:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012101c7bcf2$a6e87c30$6501a8c0@michaelo> We can use the Antioch name all we want to as long as we don't: a) engage in "education services in the nature of courses at the University level," - or - b) confuse the public that we're legally affiliated with or supported by those in the above category or use any "good will" of the mark owner (haha -- as if there is any good will to use! -- if anything we already have evidence that when there's confusion it hurts us). I'm not a trademark lawyer but I can't imagine there are many cases where the mark owner waited 150 years to register their mark. There's a STRONG argument that it slipped into the public domain in that time. If Antioch wanted to fight it I'd guess this would be a case of first impression and a lame one at that. Trademark law is a dark science: practiced (competently) by few people almost all of whom reside in DC or LA. I wonder if there's an Antioch trademark lawyer? The lawyer who filed the mark for Antioch is Lauren Ross of Martin-Browne. She's an "education lawyer" which -- given that the firm is in Springfield, OH -- I'm assuming means Antioch. No offense to the lawyers of Springfield, OH but I wouldn't worry too much that they're the top litigators in the country. A good Monday factoid -- one of their key partners looks like the guy from ZZ Top (or maybe a Hasid without the black hat); see if you can guess who it is: http://www.martinbrowne.com/a2attorney.html. :) Michael. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:12 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:04:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dramamama@nyc.rr.com writes: I want to point out that somewhere - is it the Alumni Board bylaws? - it is stated that you are considered an alumnus if you were enrolled at Antioch College for one year. There are many who went for only a short time but are committed. I myself dropped out after three years, but served on the Alumni Board for most of the '90s (including a stint as vice president) as well as heading up the alum work project before reunion for untold years. I don't think we should shut out anyone who fits into the current definition of an alum who wants to work for the school. - Robin '64 Yes Robin, but you also walked the mound to get your degree. And If I am right, you also got a College Degree. My point is essentially legal. During the AIF days, Katy Jako got threatening letters from the University Lawyers for using the word "Antioch" on that fund. In fact one of the reasons for moving ahead quickly and disbursing the fund once negotiations had not come to fruition was to avoid a University claim on the fund, and a long process of legal fights over control of an asset that would have used up the fund. Thus the fund was disbursed to secondary charitable designees, the fund was closed, and the issue of the right to ownership of the term Antioch was mooted. I believe those who have earned an Antioch College Degree may well be a class that can use the word Antioch. I also believe some people who earned a substantial number of credits toward a degree at Antioch College may fit in under a "membership" notion. But be careful here -- the University apparently has some very clever lawyers that are sensitive on this score. I believe the Alumni Board can turn itself into a foundation and use the Antioch name, as long as it uses a criteria of "membership" (Antioch College Degree Holder) that will pass muster. And I raise this issue only because I know a little of the AIF history, the cloud of a legal fight the University attorney's introduced, and my hope that people working this now take that little bit of history into consideration as they plan ahead. I am not in favor of raising a lot of funds, and then being a sitting duck for the University coming in and claiming the accounts. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 17:57:09 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:09:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Hiring a staff leader for the Revival Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 3:27:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sturniphorse@yahoo.com writes: That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. Barry Klopfer '97 I think it more important that the hiring criteria be a demonstrated history of being a highly competent organizer, very strong fund raising skills in the Progressive Community, ability to work with a highly complex community of stakeholders who have different agendas and interests -- a very strong commitment to Progressive Liberal Arts Education that can function in what we understand as the 21st century marketplace for that complex concept. Person(s) need to strongly commit to several years of heavy effort. This is not, and should not be conceived as a jobs program for any laid off Faculty or staff, no matter how much they may be beloved. At least one of the responsibilities such a person will have to engage will be negotiations with the University BoT for the future of assets. Please tell me how a former faculty member would know how to operationalize this? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From robinsimons at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 17:59:43 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:12:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: <012101c7bcf2$a6e87c30$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <655692.57464.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a question.... Why are we going so quickly to being sharp and nasty with one another? Yes, we are Antiochians and therefore opinionated, and people with Ideas.... however it seems to me that immediately going to the equivalent of "you're dumb if you don't agree with me 100%" is not just tiresome reading, it's not Antiochian. I'd like to think that there is room in Saving Antioch for bake sales, lawyers, linear plans, crazy ideas, AND rock concerts. We're going to need the money from ALL of this, as well as foundations, people dying and bequeathing their grand estates, etc. I understand the need to do something RIGHT AWAY, but this investment in beign the ONLY one with the ONE answer is driving me crazy. and making other people be wrong is crazymaking in the extreme. we don't ALL have to agree, forming consensus with 17,000 people is impossible. Robin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:00:41 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:13:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Hiring a staff leader for the Revival In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I think it more important that the hiring criteria be a demonstrated >history >of being a highly competent organizer, very strong fund raising skills in >the Progressive Community, ability to work with a highly complex community >of >stakeholders who have different agendas and interests -- a very strong >commitment to Progressive Liberal Arts Education that can function in what >we >understand as the 21st century marketplace for that complex concept. >Person(s) >need to strongly commit to several years of heavy effort. > >This is not, and should not be conceived as a jobs program for any laid off >Faculty or staff, no matter how much they may be beloved. At least one of >the responsibilities such a person will have to engage will be negotiations >with > the University BoT for the future of assets. Please tell me how a former >faculty member would know how to operationalize this? > You dont get to have a say in this. The person who will have this position will be working to have the college open throughout 2008 and into 2009 and beyond. You are working to close the college and reopne some shell in 2012. You are organizing on the wrong list. _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:02:35 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:15:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: <655692.57464.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Robin, There is a broad consensus to keep to college open in its present form. This consensus was forged at renuion. There is lots of space for people to plug into that. As far as the "2012ers" go.... I guess they have thier own plan to work out with Toni Murdock. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Robin Simons >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:59:43 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc3-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 >Jul 2007 14:59:47 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 845FB605936E;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:12:14 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com >(web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com[68.142.198.147])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) >with SMTP id C1F58605934Efor ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 >18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 57733 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 21:59:43 -0000 >Received: from [63.160.218.158] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via >HTTP;Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:59:43 PDT >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43nIFHpSYXixmfgOYQIVLTy+4IslF+Zhz05v9WzuvVQcvPpxKXiesjD >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; >d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=J4m7MAHII/L4EceP52bP5JIm1EZPJE0U/aOLwLDfU7PR6j7bIMN/BgkAXYGY6Gkhkw3nhAKr3zHlHYg1eMEKMX4qidS03v1HMtGCiunWSmV+VB40tH2TQw56qMIwjmSqY7WBwGTOS+LUR5YUMCKenXUxHs+7CoQs/jpexG5zgBE=; >X-YMail-OSG: >eGvZAusVM1mHGhe5zYqEbDUSFCZE.eSJrhzufczq.kRyGvkkDmtoLmI7MSialUxcn0qNvn9YoOfgUcqGrv6RfSvmc1SAd7H7t0_XrdIW1zG0B_Zc5SkbOPJ0IyNcPg-- >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 21:59:47.0436 (UTC) >FILETIME=[4E4252C0:01C7BCF4] > > >I have a question.... > >Why are we going so quickly to being sharp and nasty >with one another? Yes, we are Antiochians and >therefore opinionated, and people with Ideas.... > >however it seems to me that immediately going to the >equivalent of "you're dumb if you don't agree with me >100%" is not just tiresome reading, it's not >Antiochian. > >I'd like to think that there is room in Saving Antioch >for bake sales, lawyers, linear plans, crazy ideas, >AND rock concerts. We're going to need the money from >ALL of this, as well as foundations, people dying and >bequeathing their grand estates, etc. > > >I understand the need to do something RIGHT AWAY, but >this investment in beign the ONLY one with the ONE >answer is driving me crazy. and making other people be >wrong is crazymaking in the extreme. we don't ALL have >to agree, forming consensus with 17,000 people is >impossible. > >Robin > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! >http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 18:05:24 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:17:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <010101c7bcdd$9923c100$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: Not to mention the fact that ... a) no one has Bob if he wants to. B) Bob is already a full time professor, at least for the next academic year, with a ton on his plate. Seems impossible right out the gate. Frankly I'd like to see an alum--perhaps a former CG manager take this on or perhaps, one of the staffers just laid off. Duffy, Bob... What are your thoughts? Dawn '83 On 7/2/07 12:17 PM, "Michael Olenick" wrote: > I'm not sure that any prior College administrator, especially Bob Devine, > should be in a position like this. > From sjr5 at nyu.edu Mon Jul 2 18:08:05 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:20:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial In-Reply-To: References: <174814.96683.qm@web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: But it does mean that Lawry was not being candid when he said he didn't know, because as a the College president, isn't he on the ULC? Or did he not attend the crucial meetings of the ULC? Sonia Jaffe Robbins adjunct professor of journalism sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting http://www.neww.org http://www.nwu.org ******************* "Writing is thinking, not thinking written down." ----- Original Message ----- From: Callie Cary Date: Monday, July 2, 2007 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial To: Alumni Chat List > Actually, it in no way does prove that. It does suggest that the University > Leadership Council (made up of all campus Presidents, the Vice Chancellor > for Finance and the Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs) and the ULC > Chair, > the Chancellor, had some planning in motion prior to the Board June > meeting. Whether the Board had knowledge of this is unclear. One would > have to look at the minutes of the meetings to determine this. I'm not > taking the BoT off the hook but I think it's important to get clarity > about > where, what, and when information was shared with the Board. > > Callie '84 > > > On 7/2/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > > Good eye Laura. > > > > We now have the proof that the BOT was planning this all along > > > > > > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt > > about > > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves > > the > > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next > time. We > > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > > ----Durruti > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Laura Fathauer > > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >To: Alumni Chat List > > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Dayton Daily Editorial > > >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by > > >bay0-mc12-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); > > Mon, > > >2 Jul 2007 06:48:14 -0700 > > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu > > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8A16056DC5;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:00:39 -0400 > > (EDT) > > >Received: from web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com > > >(web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com[69.147.97.127])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) > > >with SMTP id 79DA96056DA5for ; Mon, 2 > Jul > > 2007 > > >10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) > > >Received: (qmail 99064 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 13:48:10 > -0000 > > >Received: from [128.146.8.196] by web63912.mail.re1.yahoo.com via > > HTTP;Mon, > > >02 Jul 2007 06:48:10 PDT > > >X-Message-Info: > > >txF49lGdW40SAwAc3QmGSE/NUmjfop9WRgyDbawNnZrPer4qsAuYOntmkECfBgTI > > >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; > > >d=yahoo.com > > ;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=vUNlSGH1V39e8kTlshFkob2NMe5rFdphlVarztkTiZfmLrbHQXLjTHDNc8+bfDwda/FEGYvIzx/E97nMfoLyzT0gouniIKAow1y7bdsccsatS5S3w3N76zFLZC17twfTmZEQT2rEhHusTAC2nUHQgnHa79x16FCJaGwRy7r58hc=; > > >X-YMail-OSG: > > > > > VQo1jc8VM1mpXKdJ2ceJDutjwhJY5EdXnBy52PzBoMgSfmyz.PCTku1cyVkFzdCGX_WvKeL9YYrZ3dyG_lbiXJTEG7K3bmhUpmnhrMyC0bxaLdHjoH44Zleblkwa148f82SOIEqDGgPR_0I- > > >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > > >Precedence: list > > >List-Id: Alumni Chat List > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > ><, > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=unsubscribe> > > >List-Archive: < > > >List-Post: < > > >List-Help: < > > >List-Subscribe: > > ><, > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=subscribe> > > >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 13:48:14.0729 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[A33C5F90:01C7BCAF] > > > > > > > Sunday, July 01, 2007 > > > > > > > > One of the more remarkable statements made in the > > > > wake of the > > > > announcement of Antioch College's closing was by > > > > President Steven > > > > Lawry. > > > > > > > > He said the reason he didn't tell anybody on campus > > > > that the decision > > > > was coming was that he didn't know. > > > > > >Here's where I call "Bullshit". > > >(aka I know you're not holding 5 aces in your hand.) > > > > > >Preamble to the Board Resolution, of June 9th: > > >"Having thus considered all of the options open to it, > > >the Board saw no alternative but to immediately > > >declare financial exigency at the College. Rather than > > >close the College permanently, the Board sought to > > >encourage further development of a plan brought > > >forward by the University Leadership Council without > > >dissent." > > > > > >If ULC brought a plan TO THE BOARD regarding the > > >'reopening' of the college, at what point PRIOR to the > > >board resolution did the ULC (including the College > > >president) discuss this plan for the 'reopening?' Is > > >the Board lying about ULC bringing forth this plan, or > > >is the president lying about discussions he had prior > > >to the June board meeting? > > > > > >Look at the date of the resolution. June 9th. Means > > >the board meeting was June 8th and 9th. > > > > > >Go back and look at the date on the last page of the > > >6-page "Declaration of Financial Exigency". It says > > >"6-5-07". > > > > > >Given the dates on the documents produced BY the > > >university, this means the University walked into the > > >June board meeting with the declaration IN HAND. > > > > > >If the University is drawing up plans for financial > > >exigency PRIOR to the board meeting, discussion, and > > >resolution, what chance is there that the President of > > >the College didn't know about it? If he truly didn't > > >know the situation was dire enough that the university > > >was drawing up exigency documents PRIOR to the board > > >meeting, then why did he not immediately QUIT upon > > >learning that the university was planning the closure > > >of HIS institution without his knowledge? > > > > > >Bullshit. > > > > > >-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > > >Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! 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Play Clink now. > > http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 18:08:48 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:21:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 4:48:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olenick@valueinnovation.net writes: I'm not a trademark lawyer but I can't imagine there are many cases where the mark owner waited 150 years to register their mark. There's a STRONG argument that it slipped into the public domain in that time. If Antioch wanted to fight it I'd guess this would be a case of first impression and a lame one at that. Trademark law is a dark science: practiced (competently) by few people almost all of whom reside in DC or LA. I wonder if there's an Antioch trademark lawyer? I am not one either, but when this AIF issue came up, I did ask someone who is (political friend, partner in a firm specialized in trade and copyright issues), not so much about the legitimacy of the claim, but how much it would cost to litigate it. Sadly this is a practical consideration that has to be considered when folk start down the "let's go to court" track. Apparently there is good case law backing up the "membership class" right to use. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 18:19:01 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:31:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: References: <655692.57464.qm@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012801c7bcf6$fe7118f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Gerry, Those last two posts aren't helpful. If the people at reunion -- who were able to drop everything on one week's notice -- raised $50 million and convinced the BoT to resign then more power to them. But my understanding is that they're about $49,250,000 short and the BoT answered them by initiating a round of layoffs the second everybody left. The remaining funds and muscle will probably come from us, the other 16,400 people who weren't there. I'd like to see the College remain open, albeit with a plan (was going to say different plan, or radically different plan, then realized there's never been much of any plan) and quickly transition back to being a great school. It's time to expel the Riot of '73 once and for all. For all my tough talk I don't want to see anybody lose their jobs, though I realize it does happen (hint: if the BoT realizes we care it puts us at a disadvantage). But ... I understand why others say some time with the College closed may not be so terrible. I disagree, but do so respectfully while also realizing from a pure pragmatic vantage point that they're probably just stating the inevitable. Finally, the only discussion I'm willing to censor (or censure) is discussion that censors the thoughts of others. If you only want to hear yourself there's a record function on most computers. Michael. PS: What happened to Al Denman? I miss him. I've been afraid to ask given his age when I left Antioch but would love to hear his thoughts on all this. From dramamama at nyc.rr.com Mon Jul 2 18:23:36 2007 From: dramamama at nyc.rr.com (Robin Rice Lichtig) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:36:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: who is an Antioch College alum? In-Reply-To: <20070702220957.02840605931E@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070702220957.02840605931E@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <009e01c7bcf7$a22b28f0$e6817ad0$@rr.com> I don't have a B.A. from Antioch College. My B.A. is from UMass. I walked the mound at Antioch's undergrad ceremony and was handed an M.A. (from MacGregor) by the College president. I wanted to receive a degree so badly from the College president that I chose MacGregor for my M.A. Then I had to fight tooth and nail to get the University to let me do this symbolic thing. They wouldn't. Finally I asked the College registrar -- she got on the phone, got my degree in hand and damnit took care of things for me. How symptomatic that small personal battle would turn out to be I had no idea! If there's some legal reason why people who don't actually have Antioch degrees can't be considered alums -- then so be it. (I went for three years so under your definition I'd be okay.) But the Alumni Assn. bylaws have to be checked. Hate to lose people with Antioch in their hearts who want to fight to keep the College alive! - Robin '64 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:31:55 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:44:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: <012801c7bcf6$fe7118f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: Micheal, Al Denman is well. He looks unchanged. He was riding his bike around and particpating. He told me to stay focused. He was worried that people would drop their enthusiasm and get back to the day in day out of their lives. Other than that it seems like he was kept in cryofreeze for that moment, having not aged in any visible way in 15 years. I should have done so well with my body in that same time. There is a plan, it was made at reunion. The community, faculty, staff, students, alumni, former and current BoT members consensed on this plan. The discussions we are having here are, in my understanding, to facilitate and expand on this plan. Closing the college is not part of that plan. Simply put, if someone is working on something else that involves closing the college, the university is more than willing to facilitate that work. If most of us are all working together constructively, on something that as man people as could make it consensed on, and a small handful of people are using the same space to organize for goals completely contrary to what the purpose of this discussion is, dont you think it would be prudent, both for their goals and ours, if they found their own space to plan for their goals rather than use our space to distract us from ours. If inviting people who desire that to find their own space to do their own thing is censorship... than call me guilty. However, I dont belive that it is. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From robinsimons at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 18:34:56 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:47:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <325504.65283.qm@web31604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> what I'm talking about is the mudslinging, thats ALL. it's tiresome. Back when the AIF was in action people SERIOUSLY disagreed about how to do stuff, but I seem to remember at least SOME of them were capable of agreeing to disagree on things enough to be reasonable. we shouldn't be scoffing at rock concerts, detailed and linear plans, bake sales, or anything in between that has a chance of saving Antioch as we know it. Robin '91 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From jonahliebert at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 18:47:05 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Mon Jul 2 18:59:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/2/07, Robert Devine wrote: "My clear view is that an independent College, with its emphasis on experiential learning and reflection, participation in shared governance and the civic life of the community, and a strong liberal arts curriculum, can compete and prosper -- if given the chance." To the best of my knowledge, this "clear view" lacks empirical data to validate or refute it. Instead, much of the 2008-09 plan attention seems to be focused on fundraising ideas and media communication. At what point does this clear view require real data to support it? (Real data would include market research, enrollment projections, financial analysis, faculty retention & recruitment etc). In particular, how do you convince the business-minded Board to reverse their decision without hard data to validate the argument that keeping the college open, albeit with its own BoT, is not only a financially viable option but will allow the college to "compete and prosper?" How do you convince business-minded donors to contribut without such data? Is there a certain point in the process when the viability of the 2008 plan (or the 2012 plan for that matter) must be supported empirically by hard data and analysis? If so, when and who is working on it? Jonah From celticbear3 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 19:17:19 2007 From: celticbear3 at yahoo.com (Robin Heise) Date: Mon Jul 2 19:29:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <986198.38554.qm@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd just like to throw this out there for some discussion. Since I'm currently employed at the College, I'd love for the doors to stay open into the 2008-09 academic year and beyond. I've made an investment in Antioch and Yellow Springs and always thought this would be where I retired from. That being said, I want to make sure that in the planning process important information isn't left out...we just lost the majority of our Admissions staff. This means there are currently two individuals that "could" recruit a class for the 2008-09 year. My guess is that they are both in search of other employment opportunities due to the uncertain year that's ahead. So who will be left to recruit? Is this something that the alumni are willing to do until admissions staff are hired? In order to be successful, recruiting efforts need to be underway as we speak. Not to mention that the admissions process is a 30 month cycle....so if the BoT plans on opening in 2012, admissions staff need to be on the road in 2009 and have an idea of the type of program they are trying to market. The last three years have proven how very important this is if you want to recruit effectively! Thank you all so much for everything that you're doing to save the college! It is greatly appreciated by those of us who are still lucky enough to be employed at the College. That being said, please keep in mind that while putting a plan together, it is critical to make sure that there are people in place to ensure that effective publications and marketing is taking place. Just my two cents! Enough of my rambling, I'll now go back into lurking mode! Thanks. Robin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 19:33:45 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 19:46:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 5:34:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: So what you are saying is that unless we shutdown the college, believe what the university says, fire all of my mentors and friends, and destroy my legacy, then we are just like George Bush? No -- that's not what I am saying at all. You apparently haven't read carefully. I simply don't believe in building sound educational and institutional economic plans on illusions, any more than I think you can send 30 thousand rural Minnesota young men and women to Iraq for combat operations, and have the outcome be a nice democratic government system. And if that doesn't work over the first four years, well, just send the other half of our Guard into combat. That is my comparison. I am to be specific, doing a contrast between illusions. Please try to read my posts accurately. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 19:35:59 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 19:48:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <986198.38554.qm@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alumni will have to recruit. At least 1 Alumni in austin is a high school teacher. Using media to frame the struggle will do some of th recruiting for us. Perhaps part of the action we need to take is to open a volunteer staffed Admissions office off campus. The BoT will have trouble keeping up its propaganda if we actually bring students in... or well. pontential students will to commit to an Antioch education should the BoT feel so gracious as to grant them one "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Robin Heise >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc11-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, >2 Jul 2007 16:17:24 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 022D06059A0D;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:29:52 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com >(web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com[68.142.206.42])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) >with SMTP id 5EF7C60599EEfor ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 >19:29:49 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 38611 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2007 23:17:20 -0000 >Received: from [70.63.32.111] by web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;Mon, >02 Jul 2007 16:17:19 PDT >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43iEJYSJcMJNCbZYH/gZCdPExhIkZ4bW9dnaWdXe5wbktOE4HTbQw5d >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; >d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=hH9xwPUyD+GPN3gj49QLFWfMzp52cFvapIjUTxQVAMkJV+eqwSsYH2rk7LwfIsypXY92/MeFwg+Sjw8jM4VXNwnRYIbQmZ3ErfyfFjshN38gvDxp38MGt05RvSNXx7tk+V+25yuQh3VBlQHJpnLMUWxkwvIFF9kjbVzcdK5sQmk=; >X-YMail-OSG: >bqP4GMAVM1lJ6uejBWgcJ45ShMeYST5TpidqpKoXVr3FEWqeO97oI0rKysYUXpDz5w-- >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 23:17:24.0846 (UTC) >FILETIME=[264AB0E0:01C7BCFF] > > >I'd just like to throw this out there for some >discussion. Since I'm currently employed at the >College, I'd love for the doors to stay open into the >2008-09 academic year and beyond. I've made an >investment in Antioch and Yellow Springs and always >thought this would be where I retired from. > >That being said, I want to make sure that in the >planning process important information isn't left >out...we just lost the majority of our Admissions >staff. This means there are currently two individuals >that "could" recruit a class for the 2008-09 year. My >guess is that they are both in search of other >employment opportunities due to the uncertain year >that's ahead. So who will be left to recruit? Is this >something that the alumni are willing to do until >admissions staff are hired? > >In order to be successful, recruiting efforts need to >be underway as we speak. Not to mention that the >admissions process is a 30 month cycle....so if the >BoT plans on opening in 2012, admissions staff need to >be on the road in 2009 and have an idea of the type of >program they are trying to market. The last three >years have proven how very important this is if you >want to recruit effectively! > >Thank you all so much for everything that you're doing >to save the college! It is greatly appreciated by >those of us who are still lucky enough to be employed >at the College. That being said, please keep in mind >that while putting a plan together, it is critical to >make sure that there are people in place to ensure >that effective publications and marketing is taking >place. > >Just my two cents! Enough of my rambling, I'll now go >back into lurking mode! >Thanks. >Robin > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. >http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 19:47:29 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:00:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We arent building them on illusions friend. The will of this group is not an illusion. The money that has been raised so far is not an illusion. Faculty willing to teach is not an illusion. The money that WILL be raised is not an illusion. If we raised only 10 million, merged with McGregor and paid off their debt we could borrow money to keep the college opne and use McGregor's budget surplus. Thats not an illusion. And then we could eliminate some redudant university adminstrators drawing the salaries of 5 proffessors as a BONUS. Oh look... the tution of 8 students save right there. If you want to talk about illusions lets talk. The board actually reopening the college in any form that resembles anything that my home is an illusion. The board dealing in good faith with us over the years was an illusion. Toni Murdocs budget shortfalls are mostly illusions too. If you want to draw parrells to George Bush and people not learning... Look at Enron (his buddies) our BoT and and us not learning to take our democratic institutions (Antioch College) back from the people who closed it in secrecy rather than licking their boots. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 19:48:11 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:00:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 6:36:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: Alumni will have to recruit. This alumni would never suggest to a bright prospective student interested in what Antioch used to offer, or his/her parents, that signing on to a near 30 thousand per year contract in circumstances such as this, would be a wise move. It would be unethical. And I think back in the late 1960's and early 70's I did lots of volunteer work visiting High Schools, conducting interviews and all -- talking with parents, and I believe I recruited fifteen students during those years, all of whom were successful students. No, I would not do it now, and in fact if asked, I would instead ask students and parents whether they wanted to buy into a crisis not of their making. I think not to tell the truth as I currently understand it would be highly unethical. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 2 19:51:55 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:04:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You've already made it clear that you will do nothing to save your alma mata and your community "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:48:11 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc8-f18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 >Jul 2007 16:48:17 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E06059B3D;Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:00:45 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from imo-m11.mail.aol.com (imo-m11.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.170])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815CE6059B31for >; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:00:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Sistersara@aol.comby imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) >id w.c38.17ce003c (42809)for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 >19:48:11 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42A89uT6LLw7xzpPzu8iK3Ql2g4ZjvYUNxbcpPZhab2YWM1fc7Kx7CC >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 23:48:17.0945 (UTC) >FILETIME=[76D32890:01C7BD03] > > >In a message dated 7/2/2007 6:36:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: > >Alumni will have to recruit. > > > >This alumni would never suggest to a bright prospective student interested >in what Antioch used to offer, or his/her parents, that signing on to a >near 30 > thousand per year contract in circumstances such as this, would be a wise >move. It would be unethical. And I think back in the late 1960's and >early >70's I did lots of volunteer work visiting High Schools, conducting >interviews >and all -- talking with parents, and I believe I recruited fifteen >students >during those years, all of whom were successful students. No, I would not >do >it now, and in fact if asked, I would instead ask students and parents >whether they wanted to buy into a crisis not of their making. > >I think not to tell the truth as I currently understand it would be highly >unethical. > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 2 19:56:33 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:09:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm no lawyer of any kind, but I just want to throw this in the mix. In preparation for the 1996 Olympics here in Atlanta the Atlanta Committee on Olympic Games (ACOG) wielded MUCHO power. They were the final word on any and every thing related to the Games. There was an restaurant that had been around forever (I believe it was in Athens, GA where some of the events were held) called the Olympic Bar and Grill (or something along those lines). ACOG made the owner (an old Greek who had run the place, as I said, forever) change the name of his business. He wanted to fight it and may have even tried, but the ACOG money and power were too much for him. Although this man's business had absolutely nothing to do with the Olympic Games he was forced to give up the name that he had operated under (again) forever. ACOG was apparently trying to make a point that it didn't matter what the circumstances, THEY were the owners of all things Olympic in and around any of the venues whether there was a conflict or perceived competition or whatever. I'm thinking at this point that the University Board wields as much power over the Antioch name as ACOG did over the word Olympic (and all of its derivations). If they choose to make a fuss over the use of the name, it could be a long and costly battle for the "powers that DON'T be"---us. On another note--- Good press or bad, we have definitely gotten on the radar of many people who would otherwise have never paid an iota of attention. At Reunion in 1997, I bought an Antioch polo "type" shirt. (Can't use "polo" for fear of the Izod people breaking down my door with C and D orders.) In the ten years since, I have worn that shirt easily a hundred times. Not once-NEVER--did anyone ever stop me to ask about which Antioch it was or whether I had gone to school there or anything. Nothing!!! At Reunion '07 I bought an Antioch College hat. I have not worn that hat every day since then, but twice already I have been stopped by people (in both instances it was a female---not sure of the significance) who have said something along the lines of "isn't that the school that's closing?" The press we have received (even here in deep south, red state Georgia) has allowed me the opportunity to talk up Antioch to (two) people who would never have given the school's situation a second's thought. Neither of the people who stopped me has offered any money, but that's another story.... -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:09 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan In a message dated 7/2/2007 4:48:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olenick@valueinnovation.net writes: I'm not a trademark lawyer but I can't imagine there are many cases where the mark owner waited 150 years to register their mark. There's a STRONG argument that it slipped into the public domain in that time. If Antioch wanted to fight it I'd guess this would be a case of first impression and a lame one at that. Trademark law is a dark science: practiced (competently) by few people almost all of whom reside in DC or LA. I wonder if there's an Antioch trademark lawyer? I am not one either, but when this AIF issue came up, I did ask someone who is (political friend, partner in a firm specialized in trade and copyright issues), not so much about the legitimacy of the claim, but how much it would cost to litigate it. Sadly this is a practical consideration that has to be considered when folk start down the "let's go to court" track. Apparently there is good case law backing up the "membership class" right to use. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 2 20:05:17 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:17:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 6:47 PM -0500 wrote: >To the best of my knowledge, this "clear view" lacks empirical data to >validate or refute it. Instead, much of the 2008-09 plan attention seems >to >be focused on fundraising ideas and media communication. At what point >does >this clear view require real data to support it? (Real data would include >market research, enrollment projections, financial analysis, faculty >retention & recruitment etc). > Jonah, I don't know why you would assume that such data does not exist. Among those of us on the faculty are the diverse pieces of this "clear view" -- including comprehensive financial analyses (at least 2), enrollment and retention analyses, a donor pyramid, and an analysis of faculty recruitment and retention, analyses of the demographics of those of College age. What got the College to this point was (a) lack of a critical financial analysis of the impact of the Renewal Plan, (b) lack of any market research with regard to the "re-niching" of the College via the Renewal Plan and a concomitant disregard for the strengths of the existing curriculum, (c) lack of an operational plan to accomodate the simultaneous development and marketing of the new program according to the timetable imposed by the Board, and (d) lack of a development plan to raise the financial resources necessary for the plan's implementation. Of these conspicuous absences, (a) signaled a lack of due diligence, (b) was showed utter arrogance, (c) was ultimately what brought the College to its knees because on the forced march to rapid implementation, it could not market what it had not yet invented; enrollment consequently fell of the clif, and (d) showed the utter lack of understanding of fundraising and Board stewardship. There is real data, Jonah, and it should not come as a surprise that the College, warts and all, and problems and all, was on an upward trajectory before being saddled with the Renewal Plan. >In particular, how do you convince the business-minded Board to reverse >their decision without hard data to validate the argument that keeping the >college open, albeit with its own BoT, is not only a financially viable >option but will allow the college to "compete and prosper?" How do you >convince business-minded donors to contribut without such data? Is there >a >certain point in the process when the viability of the 2008 plan (or the >2012 plan for that matter) must be supported empirically by hard data and >analysis? If so, when and who is working on it? > We have yet to hear from some of the College's major donors (don't stereotype or make assumptions about them) regarding their commitment to keeping the College open. Bob From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 20:04:53 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:17:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 6:47:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: We arent building them on illusions friend. The will of this group is not an illusion. The money that has been raised so far is not an illusion. Faculty willing to teach is not an illusion. The money that WILL be raised is not an illusion. If we raised only 10 million, merged with McGregor and paid off their debt we could borrow money to keep the college opne and use McGregor's budget surplus. Thats not an illusion. And then we could eliminate some redudant university adminstrators drawing the salaries of 5 proffessors as a BONUS. Oh look... the tution of 8 students save right there. This group is not an illusion, I'll agree to that, but without a workable plan it is wafting illusions. What guarantee do you have that pledges offered up so far will be paid? Pledges are not cash in the bank. The rest of what you outline is stated as "if" and if is not a sound plan. What follows "if" probably is illusion. The University was told 25 years ago that it was top-heavy with Administrators, too many assets were committed to high administrative salary costs, too little to instruction and quality student services. They paid a lot of money for that study. What did they do -- they further complicated the administrative structure and devoted an even greater resources to administration. And by the way, if someone wants to look into some of the innards of this, maybe they ought to take a look at the case New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo is building with regard to pay off's for channeling student loan business to particular lenders in exchange for the lenders handing out goodies in exchange for the business. I think something like 24 State Attorney Generals have joined the suit. Antioch may very will be a target in this case. Just saying..... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 20:10:01 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:22:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013b01c7bd06$80581c60$6501a8c0@michaelo> The US Olympic Committee didn't receive their trademark until Dec., 1998. Link: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=g5e2af.2.115 They were bluffing the restaurant owner; they would've absolutely lost in court, and probably had to pay the guys legal fees. Their case was entirely frivolous: the defendant may have even gotten sanctions beyond fees (that is, the lawyers who filed might have had to pay a penalty from their personal accounts for gaming the system besides the Olympic committee having to pay this guys fees). This is a GREAT lesson about legal BS. If we fall for threats like this we're doomed. M. PS: The US Olympic Committee filed in '98 and the mark was registered in '2000 but they list their first use in commerce as 1896. They have a very weak mark, with hundreds of competing mark owners and they were more well-known, as well as had considerably less time pass than did the Antioch BoT. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of J. Lawrence Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:57 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 I'm no lawyer of any kind, but I just want to throw this in the mix. In preparation for the 1996 Olympics here in Atlanta the Atlanta Committee on Olympic Games (ACOG) wielded MUCHO power. They were the final word on any and every thing related to the Games. There was an restaurant that had been around forever (I believe it was in Athens, GA where some of the events were held) called the Olympic Bar and Grill (or something along those lines). ACOG made the owner (an old Greek who had run the place, as I said, forever) change the name of his business. He wanted to fight it and may have even tried, but the ACOG money and power were too much for him. Although this man's business had absolutely nothing to do with the Olympic Games he was forced to give up the name that he had operated under (again) forever. ACOG was apparently trying to make a point that it didn't matter what the circumstances, THEY were the owners of all things Olympic in and around any of the venues whether there was a conflict or perceived competition or whatever. I'm thinking at this point that the University Board wields as much power over the Antioch name as ACOG did over the word Olympic (and all of its derivations). If they choose to make a fuss over the use of the name, it could be a long and costly battle for the "powers that DON'T be"---us. On another note--- Good press or bad, we have definitely gotten on the radar of many people who would otherwise have never paid an iota of attention. At Reunion in 1997, I bought an Antioch polo "type" shirt. (Can't use "polo" for fear of the Izod people breaking down my door with C and D orders.) In the ten years since, I have worn that shirt easily a hundred times. Not once-NEVER--did anyone ever stop me to ask about which Antioch it was or whether I had gone to school there or anything. Nothing!!! At Reunion '07 I bought an Antioch College hat. I have not worn that hat every day since then, but twice already I have been stopped by people (in both instances it was a female---not sure of the significance) who have said something along the lines of "isn't that the school that's closing?" The press we have received (even here in deep south, red state Georgia) has allowed me the opportunity to talk up Antioch to (two) people who would never have given the school's situation a second's thought. Neither of the people who stopped me has offered any money, but that's another story.... -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Sistersara@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:09 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] FW: [antioch-nyc] re Outline sketch of a plan In a message dated 7/2/2007 4:48:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olenick@valueinnovation.net writes: I'm not a trademark lawyer but I can't imagine there are many cases where the mark owner waited 150 years to register their mark. There's a STRONG argument that it slipped into the public domain in that time. If Antioch wanted to fight it I'd guess this would be a case of first impression and a lame one at that. Trademark law is a dark science: practiced (competently) by few people almost all of whom reside in DC or LA. I wonder if there's an Antioch trademark lawyer? I am not one either, but when this AIF issue came up, I did ask someone who is (political friend, partner in a firm specialized in trade and copyright issues), not so much about the legitimacy of the claim, but how much it would cost to litigate it. Sadly this is a practical consideration that has to be considered when folk start down the "let's go to court" track. Apparently there is good case law backing up the "membership class" right to use. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 2 20:26:47 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:45:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] meta question re tone In-Reply-To: <012801c7bcf6$fe7118f0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: This whole back and forth is not helpful. Maybe the two of you should consider bickering privately. On 7/2/07 3:19 PM, "Michael Olenick" wrote: > Gerry, > > Those last two posts aren't helpful. > > If the people at reunion -- who were able to drop everything on one week's > notice -- raised $50 million and convinced the BoT to resign then more power > to them. But my understanding is that they're about $49,250,000 short and > the BoT answered them by initiating a round of layoffs the second everybody > left. The remaining funds and muscle will probably come from us, the other > 16,400 people who weren't there. > > I'd like to see the College remain open, albeit with a plan (was going to > say different plan, or radically different plan, then realized there's never > been much of any plan) and quickly transition back to being a great school. > It's time to expel the Riot of '73 once and for all. > > For all my tough talk I don't want to see anybody lose their jobs, though I > realize it does happen (hint: if the BoT realizes we care it puts us at a > disadvantage). But ... I understand why others say some time with the > College closed may not be so terrible. I disagree, but do so respectfully > while also realizing from a pure pragmatic vantage point that they're > probably just stating the inevitable. > > Finally, the only discussion I'm willing to censor (or censure) is > discussion that censors the thoughts of others. If you only want to hear > yourself there's a record function on most computers. > > Michael. > > PS: What happened to Al Denman? I miss him. I've been afraid to ask given > his age when I left Antioch but would love to hear his thoughts on all this. > > From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 20:46:17 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 20:58:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 6:52:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gerrybello@hotmail.com writes: You've already made it clear that you will do nothing to save your alma mata and your community Nope, I think I have 45 years of history of trying to help my college from which I have an earned degree. When the library had no acquisitions budget during the bad days of no paychecks back in 1979, I made certain that Joe Calli had the money to support classes that needed critical materials. I had trust funds from my family in my control that designated the College as a secondary beneficiary and I very carefully made certain they were spent intelligently, and that I had good information from teaching faculty regarding this. I don't consider this non-support, even though it was not precisely what "development" wanted to do with funds I had on offer. If you have read my posts on the centrality of the "Academic Enterprise" you would understand this is precisely what I am interested in supporting. Subsequently, I served 6 years on the Alumni Board -- affording me a first hand view, and the opportunity for some good conversations about What Went Wrong, in the late 80's and early 90's. And yes, when AIF was organized, I supported that move. So no, I think I care and have cared for a good long time. But throwing money into black holes is not my way of expressing care. So no, I will not fork out unless there is a plan with what in my mind has a chance to succeed. I will not try to sell Antioch if I think it will not provide the education students should expect for the price. And much more important, I will not be bullied by those who do not have an analysis as to why Antioch Failed -- not blame, a solid historical analysis based on economic factors, comprehension of a badly flawed decision making system, and complexity that requires considerable knowledge of the academic marketplace, past and present, that determines whether particular institutions can succeed in our culture. That has not been done yet, and there is far too little support as I see it for getting organized to accomplish this in an intelligent way. Do I think the present University BoT, or the current staff, faculty and students can do this, No. As we can see, it all too quickly breaks down into the technique of Bully the person who makes tough observations. That my friend is not how you successfully build institutions. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From bcklopfer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 20:50:45 2007 From: bcklopfer at yahoo.com (Barry Klopfer) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:03:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: <32739.34570.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Gerry said: "There may be a conflict of interest here. If they faculty are suing a faculty member might have their hands tied in what they can say or do. We do need an organizer or 5... and we should spend very little money to get one. It should be somebody from staff or an Alumni from town." Hi Gerry. Long time no chat. I hope you are doing well. By reading some of these posts and hearing some of these arguments and perspectives I am becoming convinced that if the college closes then it is extremely unlikely to reopen in 2012. I think whatever benchmarked commission is appropriated (if any) for the creation of a paid revivalist ought to be spent on a sympathetic "insider" (so to speak). This person needs to be familiar with the business practices of Gateway and ALL the various consultants that the University has used over the years. Most importantly, this person needs to know how to collect the right kind of data, including evidence corroborating the BoT's "gross negligence" over the years in general, and in particular this year. (see generally Committee to Save Adelphi v. Diamondopoulos http://www.regents.nysed.gov/adelphi.html) If we are so lucky as to hire an evidence collector, an insider, one who knows what the University may try to conceal, and who also knows alternate methods of obtaining the same evidence, then this would put us, the stakeholders, in the best bargaining position for a truly independent college. I don't see the connection with the conflict of interest you speak of above, Gerry. (Speaking of conflict, does anyone else think that the value of their "toxic nineties" degree dropped as a result of Lawry's silly Nike comments to the national media?) On another note, I don't begrudge Bob (or any other AIF naysayers) for his previous AIF stance. That was then. This is now. And I don't know about AIF leaders, but I clearly recall that the attitude among many AIF supporters on this listserv was extremely insulting to anyone who was in the college at the time, or a recent graduate. I refuse to fondly remember an organization whose mantra was "lookatit, the current students are representative of the college's decline," etc. How very Lawryian. Barry Klopfer '97 --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 2 20:23:20 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:15:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 In-Reply-To: <013b01c7bd06$80581c60$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: There is for sure not going to be an argument here from me or even a further response after this. Go back a little in your research and look up ATLANTA COMMITTEE for OLYMPIC GAMES. The Atlanta Olympics were in 1996, two years before your reference to the US Olympics Committee, so I'm not sure the relevance. Perhaps ACOG was bluffing, but the restaurant owner couldn't afford to call that bluff and he didn't have 16,999 customers to support him in his fight. The End JL -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu]On Behalf Of Michael Olenick Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:10 PM To: 'Alumni Chat List' Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 The US Olympic Committee didn't receive their trademark until Dec., 1998. Link: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=g5e2af.2.115 They were bluffing the restaurant owner; they would've absolutely lost in court, and probably had to pay the guys legal fees. Their case was entirely frivolous: the defendant may have even gotten sanctions beyond fees (that is, the lawyers who filed might have had to pay a penalty from their personal accounts for gaming the system besides the Olympic committee having to pay this guys fees). This is a GREAT lesson about legal BS. If we fall for threats like this we're doomed. M. PS: The US Olympic Committee filed in '98 and the mark was registered in '2000 but they list their first use in commerce as 1896. They have a very weak mark, with hundreds of competing mark owners and they were more well-known, as well as had considerably less time pass than did the Antioch BoT. From jack1 at mac.com Mon Jul 2 21:05:34 2007 From: jack1 at mac.com (Jack Gregory) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:18:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Perhaps Message-ID: Possibly we could work on suppositions, with adherence to general dynamic preconceptions, until we encounter definites, at which point we could employ enlightened strategy? Dibs on calling out sistersara before anyone else! For the Win! From jredhead at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 21:06:43 2007 From: jredhead at comcast.net (jredhead) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:19:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch's character References: <20070701162453.A31076054903@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <00c401c7bd0e$6ba5ac80$21610818@yourtosc5zh62c> Antioch has always been about character and place, not institutional conformity or curriculum or even academic rigor." Yes, Antioch is about academics, but Antioch taught me to think in ways that are way beyond many institutions of higher learning. It taught me to question beyond what we were fed in class. All those "Question Authority" and "Fuck Authority" t-shirts embodied an important principle that I learned - don't take life at face value - look for the underlying cause of what's going on. I lived in Minnesota for 14 years, and I was frequently astonished at how many kids grew up, went to the University of Minnesota, got their degrees, and went to a 9 - 5 job for the rest of their lives, without being interested in travel, the world, making the world a better place, or seeing anything beyond what they grew up in. Conformity was the norm, and not the exception. I would often tell them about Antioch, and encourage them to get out and explore the world. Not many were interested. There were some exceptions (right, Michael Olenick?), but by and large, this is what I found. I treasure my time at Antioch for academics, culture, what I was taught about questioning the system, and all sorts of other things. Don't let Antioch go! Jeanne Papish '81 From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 21:22:09 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:34:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Trademark--my $.02 In-Reply-To: References: <013b01c7bd06$80581c60$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <014d01c7bd10$93f56d90$6501a8c0@michaelo> Not perhaps: they WERE bluffing. Look up the other 466 references to the term "Olympic". Your restaurant owner was using his name before the trademark application: he had a right to keep using it and should have publicly embarrassed the local Olympic committee by charging head-first into court and beating them up. Reminds me of the lesbian bookstore in Minnesota, Amazon books. They were sued by amazon.com despite that they long pre-dated the establishing of the online Amazon. Amazon.com ended up paying enough money that the lesbian Amazon changed their name, and declared that while they couldn't talk about the amount of money that changed hands they'd never have to worry about having the funds to run their business. Point is that bullies are ... well ... bullies. Any ten year old realizes that once somebody hits the local bully they usually cry and sulk away, then change their ways. Hitting isn't very Antiochian but it is sometimes how the world works, at least in a metaphoric sense. That kinda' sucks -- in the same way that toothaches kinda' suck -- but it's also just a fact of life. For those who genuinely want to keep Antioch open, or at least minimize the time that it's closed, it's time to hit. That's not nice, or sweet, or politically correct, but it's just the truth. When the abolitionists realized the South wouldn't just abandon their slave labor they elected a President who very clearly said the time to talk is over and decided to initiate steps that led to the Civil War and the end of slavery. It killed more people than any war before or since. But I'd say anybody who didn't think it necessary -- that it was finally time to hit -- is borderline sick. So, yeah. Your restaurant owner should've told the local Georgian's to [suggested motion not suitable for public discourse]. And it's time to tell Toni and the Gateway group to do the same thing, or something similar. The time for talk sometimes really does run out and that's happened. The only way to keep Antioch open, or minimize the time it's closed, is from a position of strength. And that's not gonna happen from whining, hiding, and shrinking every time somebody from the BoT shouts "Boo." The key is to get into their face -- all 17,000 of us -- and shout "Boo" back at once. M. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 2 21:43:40 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:56:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch's character Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 8:07:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jredhead@comcast.net writes: I lived in Minnesota for 14 years, and I was frequently astonished at how many kids grew up, went to the University of Minnesota, got their degrees, and went to a 9 - 5 job for the rest of their lives, without being interested in travel, the world, making the world a better place, or seeing anything beyond what they grew up in. Conformity was the norm, and not the exception. I would often tell them about Antioch, and encourage them to get out and explore the world. Not many were interested. There were some exceptions (right, Michael Olenick?), but by and large, this is what I found. Oh great -- wonderful stereotype for the state that elected Paul Wellstone, and kept him in the Senate for 12 years, much of that accomplished with the help of students, past and present, beating big oil and big Pharm money in the process. And then there is the small matter of electing the first Progressive Liberal Muslim to Congress last fall, with the support of the vast majority of the Jewish Community on the grounds that Muslims needed someone in Congress who could properly define them, instead of depending on the Right to do that job. Yea, that was done by a bunch of silly conformists. Minnesotans are socially very progressive, but they like to see strong economic underpinnings for what they do. Minnesota elected Alan Spear to the State Senate long enough for him to become President of the Senate -- Alan was the first Public Elected Official in the US, (an Oberlin Grad) to "come out" as a Gay Man in 1972, and he spent his free time traveling the country developing campus based Gay support Groups all over the country. How about Dr. Stephen Myles who is Professor of Medicine and Ethics at the U of Minnesota, long time board member of the American Refugee Committee, who did the research and developed the movement to cause the AMA to take a quite forward stance on US Government sponsored TORTURE, based on the evidence available in the public record, and is now pushing the American Bar Association to join the effort? Yea, I know Minnesota does "not support" (even if they funded it) his work in Cambodia, Dafur, Somalia, and Afghanistan -- or the vast international effort involved here. I have to ask the question, when you lived here in Minnesota, did you get engaged in political efforts? Gotta wonder. And there are more where these examples come from. So you don't like the questions I am raising -- so let's trash my whole state. (By the way, I came to Antioch from Kettering Ohio in the wake of the McCarthy Times -- and I had to sue the school district to release my transcript to Antioch. My Authoritarian High School Advisor refused to do so on the grounds that they didn't wear shoes at Antioch.) (I prefer to wear both shoes and socks). Once a lawyer showed up on that excuse, the transcript got transmitted so I could finalize my acceptance. (yep, there are uses for Lawyers.) Why not trash Ohio? Afterall, some of my ancestors were part of the group that founded Dayton, and were later part of the group that helped bring the New England Group that wanted to move transcendentalist philosophy into the west -- which was part of the process by which Antioch was founded in Yellow Springs. Why not trash them too? I am giving you lots of things to aim at if you want to trash. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From jredhead at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 21:44:55 2007 From: jredhead at comcast.net (jredhead) Date: Mon Jul 2 21:57:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni Recruitment References: Message-ID: <025d01c7bd13$c1a087e0$21610818@yourtosc5zh62c> Alumni will have to recruit. At least 1 Alumni in austin is a high school teacher. Using media to frame the struggle will do some of th recruiting for us. Perhaps part of the action we need to take is to open a volunteer staffed Admissions office off campus. The BoT will have trouble keeping up its propaganda if we actually bring students in... or well. pontential students will to commit to an Antioch education should the BoT feel so gracious as to grant them one _____________________________________________________________________ We need MORE than alumni to go out there and spread the message. We need back up support and all the things that the unsung heroes who do everyday work did. I worked in the admissions office one quarter, processing inquiries of high school students (does anybody remember Pat Scales and know what happened to her?). It was some of the most boring work I've ever done. Will alumni do that kind of work day after day, week after week, month after month, and maybe even year after year until Antioch gets on its feet financially? I find that hard to believe. Also, after the 79 crisis when Antioch nearly declared bankruptcy and closed, we did a GREAT job of recruiting. We had teriffic numbers of incoming students. The problem was keeping the students there. They got to campus and found slim course offerings, a dilapidated campus full of very leaky buildings, sidewalks and steps unrepaired, burned out professors & staff, and discouraged upperclassmen and women. We couldn't keep a high percentage of students. I wouldn't have traded Antioch for the world, but my point is that, THIS TIME, WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN JUST RECRUIT. Jeanne '81 from Robin Heise: >>I'd just like to throw this out there for some >>discussion. Since I'm currently employed at the >>College, I'd love for the doors to stay open into the >>2008-09 academic year and beyond. I've made an >>investment in Antioch and Yellow Springs and always >>thought this would be where I retired from. >> >>That being said, I want to make sure that in the >>planning process important information isn't left >>out...we just lost the majority of our Admissions >>staff. This means there are currently two individuals >>that "could" recruit a class for the 2008-09 year. My >>guess is that they are both in search of other >>employment opportunities due to the uncertain year >>that's ahead. So who will be left to recruit? Is this >>something that the alumni are willing to do until >>admissions staff are hired? >> >>In order to be successful, recruiting efforts need to >>be underway as we speak. Not to mention that the >>admissions process is a 30 month cycle....so if the >>BoT plans on opening in 2012, admissions staff need to >>be on the road in 2009 and have an idea of the type of >>program they are trying to market. The last three >>years have proven how very important this is if you >>want to recruit effectively! >> >>Thank you all so much for everything that you're doing >>to save the college! It is greatly appreciated by >>those of us who are still lucky enough to be employed >>at the College. That being said, please keep in mind >>that while putting a plan together, it is critical to >>make sure that there are people in place to ensure >>that effective publications and marketing is taking >>place. >> >>Just my two cents! Enough of my rambling, I'll now go >>back into lurking mode! >>Thanks. >>Robin From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 2 21:58:00 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Mon Jul 2 22:10:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 6:05 PM -0500 wrote: >Not to mention the fact that ... > >a) no one has Bob if he wants to. Thanks for asking, Dawn. Though I'm flattered to be mentioned, it will come as a huge relief to SisterSara and Michael, and particularly to the Board of Trustees, that this isn't something that I want to do. There are a number of younger colleagues who could do this work. I'm down for helping in any way possible, digging out information, and providing support, but we really need a point person. > >B) Bob is already a full time professor, at least for the next academic >year, with a ton on his plate. Seems impossible right out the gate. My first priority is faculty legal action. My second priority is seeing the current students through to commencement, and that's going to be a considerable challenge during this next year. I already have high enrollments, and during this next year we will have many independent studies to carry in order to make it possible for both 3rd and 4th year students to complete their programs. My third priority is helping to recruit the entering class of Fall '08 -- I'm an optimist. > >Frankly I'd like to see an alum--perhaps a former CG manager take this on >or >perhaps, one of the staffers just laid off. The present and former community managers were magnificent at the alumni reunion sessions. It was the very best of Antioch, the best demonstration I can imagine of the power of this unique educational model. It seems to me that a former CM might be well situated to take this on. Bob > p.s. Hi to Jeffrey. From totally at svaha.com Mon Jul 2 21:59:14 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Mon Jul 2 22:12:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch's character In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A438AE9-3EF6-4C21-AE0B-D11B786B042E@svaha.com> Minnesota seems like a fine state. Let's figure out how to prevent Antioch from being closed. -greg From olenick at valueinnovation.net Mon Jul 2 22:20:25 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Mon Jul 2 22:32:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> The Board of Trustees would be happy to see you in the position of leading College revival efforts. Assuming you'd do as well as you did in other positions any worries they'd have about the effort being effective would be eliminated. I like many of the former CM's that I know but think a better measurement is who went on to do what AFTER graduation from Antioch. M. ----------------- Michael Olenick Tel: 561-649-0962 Mobile: 561-699-5056 olenick@valueinnovation.net From sercle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 2 22:33:52 2007 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Mon Jul 2 22:46:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: <00c701c7bd1a$98c16900$4301a8c0@GRENELL> For those working on the vision/educational program for continuing to keep Antioch open: Toni has talked about recruiting more international students; good idea. And I had another idea that comes out of my current job with Swords to Plowshares. Background on me: I grew up in Yellow Springs; my dad is Meredith Dallas. I went to Antioch '60-'62; I dropped out because it was too academically vigorous for me at the time; when I returned 5 years later to BU, I was ready for academic rigor, but most of my fellow students wanted to talk about co-ed dorms. I thank Ollie Loud for Physical Science World Picture, which opened me up to science and my own ability to think and appreciate/generate ideas. Idea #1, fishing for feedback: Now, I work at an organization in SF that works with veterans. Started in 1974 by VN vets, later when drug use and homelessness exploded in the '80s, the organization moved into housing. Two years ago they started an Iraq Veteran Project to do what they could, mainly in the area of mental health, to prevent this new generation of veterans from the slide through joblessness, family dissolution, drug use, and homelessness. In the early 1950s, Antioch had a slew of veterans on campus. They were FUN, exciting, older than the other students, with lots of life experience under their belts. Why not another outreach to veterans? I realize it could present a cultural problem, but also an opportunity for leadership and cross-cultural communication, which seems to be needed anyway. The co-op program would probably be of interest to them. Plus, Antioch could have a special program for transitioning from war to civilian life and dealing with PTSD. There's an Iraq-Afghanistan Deployment Impact Fund at the California Community Foundation which has beaucoup bucks and can make grants nationwide, fairly easily. Antioch could get a grant to create a new portion of a curriculum and for outreach. I understand that it's handy to have a group of local vets to be advisors, mentors, helpers. (Humboldt State has a very effective veteran program.) Maybe there's an LA-based Antiochian to arrange lunch with the woman who runs this fund. Why not seek to increase the student body with veterans? Get foundation money and state and federal funds to provide full scholarships. The vets would need to want to buy into Antioch's program, values, etc., and the college would need to do special outreach and on-campus advisors, etc. worth checking with Antiochiana about the '50s vets and what a boone they were to the college community. I know I can get the Iraq Veteran Project folks here to help make it happen. Maybe they'd even depute me to work on it. IDEA #2 What about reinstating a business major. Two alums, separately, mentioned entrepreneurship opportunities for/working with poor people in Springfield; another said with an International Studies "major", you've GOT to have business. Unlike chemistry or engineering, you don't need the latest equipment. Barrie Dallas Grenell '65 _________________ Barrie Grenell QBA (415) 826-2409 sercle@sbcglobal.net From sercle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 2 22:41:58 2007 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Mon Jul 2 22:54:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bernarda Alba In-Reply-To: <007601c7bc6c$9eeadb30$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <00d601c7bd1b$ba681b20$4301a8c0@GRENELL> It was Paul Treichler who directed The House of Bernarda Alba. _________________ Barrie Grenell QBA (415) 826-2409 sercle@sbcglobal.net From bcklopfer at yahoo.com Mon Jul 2 23:15:00 2007 From: bcklopfer at yahoo.com (Barry Klopfer) Date: Mon Jul 2 23:27:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: <589664.71115.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Michael said: "The Board of Trustees would be happy to see you in the position of leading College revival efforts. Assuming you'd do as well as you did in other positions..." That's just mean, Michael. We'll need Bob's knowledge in the event the revival fund is used in part to advance a legal strategy which is autonomous from the faculty's. I enjoy reading your posts, particularly your clarion call to position all 17,000 of us into a position of strength. I think I now see Gerry's point about a conflict in considering any faculty for such a position. I suppose there would be conflict for any member, or potential member, of a differing class to perform the evidence collecting duties of an alumni (class) backed investigator. I do think a number of alumni, including ex-CMs, have demonstrated their media wherewithal...many off this list. Certainly such skills are an asset. I do think the ideal candidate would also have a *gasp* corporatist background. Maybe an ex-SEC forensic investigator? Probably too pricey. Maybe this person could use the consulting services of such an investigator? Barry Klopfer '97 --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. From sercle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 2 23:23:11 2007 From: sercle at sbcglobal.net (Barrie Grenell) Date: Mon Jul 2 23:35:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <986198.38554.qm@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f601c7bd21$7c5d2cc0$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Seems at some point, the alumni should develop a student recruitment wing. _________________ Barrie Grenell QBA (415) 826-2409 sercle@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: Robin Heise [mailto:celticbear3@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:17 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan I'd just like to throw this out there for some discussion. Since I'm currently employed at the College, I'd love for the doors to stay open into the 2008-09 academic year and beyond. I've made an investment in Antioch and Yellow Springs and always thought this would be where I retired from. That being said, I want to make sure that in the planning process important information isn't left out...we just lost the majority of our Admissions staff. This means there are currently two individuals that "could" recruit a class for the 2008-09 year. My guess is that they are both in search of other employment opportunities due to the uncertain year that's ahead. So who will be left to recruit? Is this something that the alumni are willing to do until admissions staff are hired? In order to be successful, recruiting efforts need to be underway as we speak. Not to mention that the admissions process is a 30 month cycle....so if the BoT plans on opening in 2012, admissions staff need to be on the road in 2009 and have an idea of the type of program they are trying to market. The last three years have proven how very important this is if you want to recruit effectively! Thank you all so much for everything that you're doing to save the college! It is greatly appreciated by those of us who are still lucky enough to be employed at the College. That being said, please keep in mind that while putting a plan together, it is critical to make sure that there are people in place to ensure that effective publications and marketing is taking place. Just my two cents! Enough of my rambling, I'll now go back into lurking mode! Thanks. Robin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 01:27:49 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 01:40:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> References: <014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: I think the University Administration and the BoT can feel reassured of the alumni's inability to organize or act effectively when the dialogue amongst us disintegrates into baseless, mean-spirited personal attacks. It plays perfectly into their analysis of the College's "toxic culture." Callie On 7/2/07, Michael Olenick wrote: > The Board of Trustees would be happy to see you in the position of leading > College revival efforts. Assuming you'd do as well as you did in other > positions any worries they'd have about the effort being effective would be > eliminated. > > I like many of the former CM's that I know but think a better measurement is > who went on to do what AFTER graduation from Antioch. > > M. > > ----------------- > Michael Olenick > Tel: 561-649-0962 > Mobile: 561-699-5056 > olenick@valueinnovation.net > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu Tue Jul 3 01:36:18 2007 From: Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue Jul 3 01:43:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: <20070703013618.AIK01048@logan.jefferson.edu> Matt, I think this is the second time you've said exactly what I would have liked to have said. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:14:25 -0400 >From: Matthew Baya >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >To: Alumni Chat List , "Save Antioch. Save the World" > >On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:00 PM, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >> Matt, I don't think keeping open is really an option. > >Thank you for being clear on where you stand on this issue. As I >mentioned earlier there are a number of us who are working, very hard >right now, towards the 'Keep it open' goal. I am not excited about >the idea of 'building a new college' in 2012, no matter how cool it >may be. That will not be 'Antioch' to me if the current 'community' >is dissolved. My heart and checkbook will go elsewhere. > >As you said, I'm reacting to the heat of the now but it's more than >that. This isn't kneejerk, I don't think the BoT or Steve Lawry are >evil, I just think they are steering the ship in the wrong direction >and don't share the same vision for Antioch College that I and others >share. For as long as I've been involved with Antioch there has been >a tangible tension between the "business" of Antioch verses the >"Community" of Antioch. I think that we've drifted too far into the >business end of things and that's what has been hurting the college. >I think the BOT was right in one of their arguments on why the new >curriculum was needed... Antioch should be unique. However I think >they were idiots for telling the faculty how to do the curriculum, >the curriculum wasnt what we needed to make unique, what we needed >was a way to market what was already unique about Antioch. But the >BOT was pushing for profit.. "make it more generic on the politics/ >community aspect, get a more generic president, other generic places >make money, we can too". This is similar to what happened with WYSO.. >it got "NPR"d.. local volunteer shows were replaced with syndicated >ones that raised more money. More money = better right? Not if it's >at the expense of the mission, and I think the BOT's 'mission' and >vision of Antioch College got watered down and has drifted far from >the potential the college has. > >Here's the thing, I care deeply about the faculty there now, I >studied with many of them 15 years ago as a student, and worked with >them for the 5 years I worked at the college after graduating, and >have met and corresponded with many of the newer faculty since then. >They are an amazing bunch of people and I am have no qualms about the >academic program Antioch provides. They are worth fighting to save. I >have also met and corresponded with a number of current students and >they too are worth fighting to save. While I have some mixed feelings >about the pros & cons of Unions from time to time, they staff members >I know & have worked with are amazing individuals. No one stays at >Antioch for the money, they stay for the community, whether that's >the broader community or the co-workers they work with day to day, >logical or no, I believe Antioch attracts and retains exceptional >people. Antioch's institutional memory and community are worth >fighting to save. If the doors close on 7/1/08 we lose all that. > >While I love the goal of having an independent Antioch College, and >of having an Antioch College in 2012 that rocks, I refuse to accept >the idea that the only way to accomplish this is to shut it down and >restart it years later. And while others may not be posting here on >this subject, I know for certain I am not alone in this feeling. >That's what is driving me to spend hours on this subject >brainstorming with others about ideas on how to save Antioch, raise >funds, help admissions, help the faculty etc. Not just now but down >the road. This huge grassroots effort we're seeing now isn't a >'reopen in 2012' effort. It's "Save Antioch". Closing the doors in >2008 is letting it die, and I will not let that happen without a >fight. I can point out a number of things I think were flawed with >the current Antioch but I refuse to believe that it was a dying >college. This crisis was manufactured by the BoT. If they had left >the curriculum alone, or even funded the 5 year plan they promised, I >believe Antioch College would be solvent. Struggling perhaps, but not >closing it's doors. > >I'm not living in an illusion. I understand the BOT is in control >now. I understand that faculty, staff and students are leaving NOW. I >also understand that keeping it open will be hard and isn't >statistically likely. But I've also seen more energy and focus on >Antioch in the past week than I have in years. I can't explain this >in any logical manner, but there are a number of us who have been >basically waiting for a chance to help Antioch. Antioch never asked >for our help beyond fund raising and that wasn't what we could >provide, least not in the amounts they wanted. But whether the BOT >intended this or not, they've woken the 'sleeping giant', at least >for the Antioch circles I travel in. People are not just pissed off >and whining, they are working hard with ideas, vision and passion to >do what they can to keep the doors open. We may not succeed but >damned if we're not going to do all we can to fight this decision. > >This is why it's worth doing work NOW to keep it open. The sooner we >reverse this decision the sooner we can start the new Antioch plan >and put this passion towards not just fundraising but helping Antioch >reach it's potential. I am glad folks like you, Michael Olenick, and >Mark Pomerantz are discussing some of the bigger vision planning for >down the road. I still believe in an amazing kickass Antioch in 2012, >I just think.. no, scratch that... I BELIEVE we can get there from >where we are now without hitting the reset button. > >If others are out there who feel the same about keeping it open, >please speak up, i'm feeling kinda lonely here. On the other hand if >everyone here are all '2012ers' well then we need to figure out why >the dozens if not hundreds of folks doing the grassroots 'save >antioch' work are on such a different page than those in the chat >rooms. In the meantime, if it takes bake sales, concerts, and other >wild ideas to keep Antioch open then that's what we'll do. Logical & >pragmatic, probably not, but worth doing? Definitely. > >-Matt '92 > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 01:41:44 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 01:54:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] RE: who is an Antioch College alum? In-Reply-To: <009e01c7bcf7$a22b28f0$e6817ad0$@rr.com> References: <20070702220957.02840605931E@w3.antioch.edu> <009e01c7bcf7$a22b28f0$e6817ad0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Robin, Some of the largest donors have been alums who never graduated. We even had a Board of Trustee Chair without an actual degree from the College..or anywhere else for that matter. The bylaws do say that to be considered an alum you have to have attended for one year but we have been fairly loose about that. Callie On 7/2/07, Robin Rice Lichtig wrote: > I don't have a B.A. from Antioch College. My B.A. is from UMass. I walked > the mound at Antioch's undergrad ceremony and was handed an M.A. (from > MacGregor) by the College president. I wanted to receive a degree so badly > from the College president that I chose MacGregor for my M.A. Then I had to > fight tooth and nail to get the University to let me do this symbolic thing. > They wouldn't. Finally I asked the College registrar -- she got on the > phone, got my degree in hand and damnit took care of things for me. How > symptomatic that small personal battle would turn out to be I had no idea! > If there's some legal reason why people who don't actually have Antioch > degrees can't be considered alums -- then so be it. (I went for three years > so under your definition I'd be okay.) But the Alumni Assn. bylaws have to > be checked. Hate to lose people with Antioch in their hearts who want to > fight to keep the College alive! - Robin '64 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From bgutelius at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 01:45:50 2007 From: bgutelius at gmail.com (beth) Date: Tue Jul 3 01:58:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Committee Updates Message-ID: <96a99a8d0707022245g6b9b3496sba20ec650da7c1b4@mail.gmail.com> dear chatters and lurkers, here's a first attempt at an update of things happening that may not be entirely apparent... please, have patience, know folks are working their tails off, and stay tuned to antiochians.org for more!! COMMUNICATIONS TEAM UPDATE as of 7/2/2007 - held first conference call 6/29 to coordinate activities and revise contact list - next conference call 7/6 Priorities: 1. Antiochians.org site functionality - Frequently Asked Questions - Alumni Board mission and bios - Support action groups and alumni chapters through list serve creation 2. Create press releases - Create mechanism for Alum Board content approval (M. Heffernan) - Create support for people wanting to write letters to editor 3. Continue to channel people and information to appropriate venues/groups - Update and expand contact list by finding out what groups are active and what gaps we have in communications, and trying to fill those - Identify lead people for external communications and history groups 4. Continue collecting and analyzing news coverage YELLOW SPRINGS UPDATE Students: There is an effort being made by Tim Eubanks to connect students and their families with Antioch Alums in their areas. This has been posted on the Antioch College Online Network, as well as on more informal online networks. This networking is just getting started and we are hoping to get people connected soon. Faculty: The faculty has lost a good amount of their support staff this week with the staff positions that have been cut. In AdCil a faculty plan was presented by Steve Lawry. The plan stated that the tenured faculty will be hired for the period of Fall 2007 and Spring 2008 and will teach courses covered by their regular teaching load. It was discussed and advised that tenure track faculty and visiting faculty be issued contracts that will hire them for the period of Fall 2007 and Spring 2008 in the same manner of the tenured faculty. Originally these contracts would have been issued for the period of fall until December 31, 2007. The intent of these revisions is to assist all faculty in the work overload, which is expected this coming year. There is interest from Faculty to start soliciting testimonials from Alums to raise awareness and motivation for the Antioch community. These testimonials would include pictures, and information about what the alums are doing now. Staff: There were a lot of staff cuts this week, which will be continuing into next week. 8 union positions were cut, 7 full-time positions, and 1 part-time position. 13 full-time non-union, administrative positions were also cut. These positions were in the Library, Admissions, Academic Support Center, Office of Institutional Advancement, Dining Services, Student Services, Coretta Scott King Center and the Gym. Yellow Springs Townspeople had a meeting as planned on June 27th. This meeting was to discuss future plans to support the effort to stop the suspension of the college. There is a town meeting planned for either July 10th or 11th. At this meeting they hope to plan committees and start organizing. Committees were formed to plan advertising and organizing for the Town Meeting. A question sheet was passed around for the townspeople to have an opportunity to have their questions asked at the meeting with Emeritus Faculty and the Chancellor. Emeritus Faculty met with the Chancellor, Toni Murdock, on June 28th. A list of questions was presented from the Yellow Springs Community Members and the Emeritus Faculty had the opportunity to have their own questions answered as well. The meeting lasted for about an hour and a half. From trixfrig at ix.netcom.com Tue Jul 3 01:55:33 2007 From: trixfrig at ix.netcom.com (Patricia Arlin) Date: Tue Jul 3 02:08:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Committee Updates In-Reply-To: <96a99a8d0707022245g6b9b3496sba20ec650da7c1b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <96a99a8d0707022245g6b9b3496sba20ec650da7c1b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <501dc2a2b96bcd9623fdc7d0dc891e68@ix.netcom.com> Thank you. Trisha Arlin '75 On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:45 AM, beth wrote: > dear chatters and lurkers, > > here's a first attempt at an update of things happening that may not > be entirely apparent... please, have patience, know folks are working > their tails off, and stay tuned to antiochians.org for more!! > > > COMMUNICATIONS TEAM UPDATE > as of 7/2/2007 From dawn at mediawonk.com Tue Jul 3 02:56:25 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Tue Jul 3 03:09:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "That my friend is not how you successfully build institutions." ------------------------------------------- Perhaps you should put your considerable energy, experience and opinions into a plan and present it. Dissent is fine, even laudable and certainly Antiochian but, all we keep hearing is what is wrong with what everyone else is suggesting. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 03:09:27 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 03:22:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:34:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sercle@sbcglobal.net writes: Toni has talked about recruiting more international students; good idea. And I had another idea that comes out of my current job with Swords to Plowshares. International students have great value, but only if you have something essentially American to offer them. Right now I doubt that. Let me offer up some bits of Antioch History as part of what I want to suggest. Back in the 1930's (when most of who read this will say, Grandma's (or great Grandma's time) Antioch for it's size played a profound role in international education. Many do not know this history. In 1931 Edward R. Murrow, right out of a state school in Oregon, became the compromise candidate for President of the National Student Federation of America. In those times NSF was the one and only national voice of students, it was organized as chapters on campuses, and among other things, it required that the President attend an international conference every summer in Belgium. Thus Murrow undertook his first trip abroad, in fact his move to NYC to head the student federation was actually his first real trip out of Oregon. Anyhow... Now in those days NSF had a close relationship with IIE -- the Institute of International Education, it now has a marble temple of sorts over by the UN, but in those days it had a loft office, and it sponsored what the US had as student exchanges. The President of NSF was expected to travel after the Student Conference and coordinate with the IIE representatives who helped on these exchanges. So, in 1931 and 32, this is what Murrow did, and in the process he met up with anti-Fascist academics and state and federal ministers of education, some of who also got shot, others became refugees, many of whom ended up in concentration camps. But between 1933 and 1936 when Murrow went full time with CBS, he managed to place almost 700 of the more than 2000 thousand academics he had on his lists in American Colleges and Universities. It was a hard thing in the midst of the great depression, but Antioch accepted and supported twelve, while Yale, Princeton and Harvard accepted zero. It was hardly the income -- it was the visa that allowed for moving toward being safe and permanent residency. For those who could really speak English, Murrow booked them on CBS to talk about their field or about the politics. 25 dollars per talk. Many moved on when they found a better position, but many stayed. In my time in the 50's I knew many of them. One of the reasons J. Edgar Hoover hated Antioch has to do with this -- and it is worth comprehending. But one of my earliest connections with Antioch was attending a meeting as a teen at the Yellow Springs Friends Meeting House in October, 1953 with Senator Ralph Flanders, Republican of Vermont, who keynoted the College's 100th Anniversary event, but who held a small meeting thereafter about McCarthyism. The meeting went on for hours, but in his memoirs Flanders credits it with convincing him to take the lead on the censure of McCarthy. He credits that meeting and what he eventually heard in Australia as his motivation, and he made his Senate Speech on the same day that Murrow did his piece on TV. (I must say when Jeffords resigned from the Republican Party as part of his party switch in 2001, and mentioned Ralph Flanders, I stood up in my living room and cheered. Jeffords was another intern I knew during my last co-op in Vermont, and Flanders is never to be forgotten.) Yes, the little Friends Meeting House in YSO is significant because it was there that the outline of how to deal with McCarthyism was laid out by someone who intended to politically lead it for the first time. In part because it was that was about comprehending the umbrella that had dealt with what Murrow tried to do with IIE during the 30's. When Murrow broadcast his famous piece from Buchenwald the day after the death of FDR, his guide was one of the Czech academics who had been on his list that he could not place in the US before it became impossible, but Eugene Kogan who eventually got to testify at Nuremberg and he got his testimony published. We all need to understand how every advocate who moved to the US, and everyone who kept the faith on this, is important. Antioch helped many of them -- percentage wise more than the highly endowed. Paying International Students is useful, but Antioch stands for something else. We need to honor that. We don't get there just by looking at the profit route. We certainly did not in the 30's. But in the 30's the college did address these profound needs, using a number of devices so as to not replace existent faculty with those who would work for bread, and a visa, but to expand the college offerings so as to accommodate what they had to offer, and thus bring them in over the horrid quota. Please, when is this history going to get written? In the early 60's something got quite nasty on the campus when some German Exchange students were identified as having fathers who had been in the SS. Or maybe the German Army or the SA, not sure I remember accurately. Someone forgot to do something other than demonstrate rejection. By that time we had several years of Antiochians in Tubingen and other German sites, and we should have accommodated. We really didn't. When I taught Tin Drum to lower division students, I always recounted that scene. (and I have many others) At the U of M I have also had the opportunity to teach both Rushdie's Sacred Verses and Grass's Tin Drum to entering Arab speaking students as part of a "tolerance" agenda -- and I think it works well. I recommend it. I moved one Saudi Prince assigned to my class to work the music of Leonard Bernstein even though he was opposed to all music. Have any here also done that? Tell us about it. Making it minimal, what do you do when the prince tells you he plans to cut classes so as to furnish his apartment. Well you tell him to fuck it, because if he is here on a student visa, he is obligated to attend classes. He can buy furniture on Saturday and Sunday. That is what is critical. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 03:15:43 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 03:28:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 1:56:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dawn@mediawonk.com writes: Perhaps you should put your considerable energy, experience and opinions into a plan and present it. Dissent is fine, even laudable and certainly Antiochian but, all we keep hearing is what is wrong with what everyone else is suggesting. I think I have done a major effort in referencing the history. I do not feel I am in Dissent -- I think most of my generation agree with me more or less, even though the 50-60 crowd is not massively posting. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Tue Jul 3 03:44:48 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Tue Jul 3 03:57:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bernarda Alba In-Reply-To: <00d601c7bd1b$ba681b20$4301a8c0@GRENELL> References: <00d601c7bd1b$ba681b20$4301a8c0@GRENELL> Message-ID: <95CB57C62ED94CC4A201B564F4E836B1@Stephanie> there was another production in 1989. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Grenell" To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:41 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bernarda Alba > It was Paul Treichler who directed The House of Bernarda Alba. > > _________________ > Barrie Grenell > QBA > (415) 826-2409 > sercle@sbcglobal.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From thanos at post.com Tue Jul 3 05:18:20 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos fatouros) Date: Tue Jul 3 05:39:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: <20070703091820.51D761BF2CE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> SisterSara wrote: International students have great value, but only if you have something essentially American to offer them. Right now I doubt that. Let me offer up some bits of Antioch History as part of what I want to suggest. >snip< SisterSara, fascinating history, worth writing about, but not relevant to Antioch student enrollment today. There are plenty of 'foreigners' who would *love* to send their kids to an American lefty liberal arts school. My parents did, for example. Some friends of mine here in Athens just sent their kid to Bard. I know the guy, he's smart, he likes film & video, his heart's in the right place, I helped him last Spring with a volunteer project he did with Kurdish refugees. Class A Antioch College material. His parents aren't poor and they're not stupid either, so when they did their research recently - before the board decision - Antioch got crossed off the list. They liked what I had told them about the place, but evidently the word is the campus is seriously dilapidated. Antioch had quite a reputation for a long time in lefty European circles. It still has a vague resonance as one of 'our' kinds of islands in a sea of ignorant, bloody Yanks. Just Bard mows the grass more often and has wifi. I'm pretty certain it'd be easy to 'sell' Antioch to European parents who want their kid to have an American liberal arts education if there were *more professors* and if the physical plant was in top shape. Good lord, you have no idea how people are grasping at straws to find something good about America these days. The US used to be a place where progressive reform spread outward to the rest of the world; now it's....well, you know. (Don't you?) For those of us in Europe who can't bear communism, who are sick of socialist corruption, who are appalled by the conservatives and terrified of the extreme right, an American liberal education is invaluable. I think Antioch could market itself easily to a serious European demographic, and it wouldn't hurt you bloody Yanks to learn another language or two. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Tue Jul 3 06:03:57 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Tue Jul 3 06:16:48 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In-Reply-To: <20070703091820.51D761BF2CE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20070703091820.51D761BF2CE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4D1B844E1E9F4C9BAE46C9AB291716FC@Stephanie> Thanos said "For those of us in Europe who can't bear communism, who are sick of socialist corruption, who are appalled by the conservatives and terrified of the extreme right, an American liberal education is invaluable." Agreed - just spoke yesterday with a friend whose son is 18, just out of Westminster, with brilliant A-levels, but may not get into a good British U because there is political pressure on the Us to "constructively" discriminate against the privately educated. I asked if he would consider the good American universities/colleges, and he responded that anti-Bushism kept a lot of young British candidates from looking at American schools. So I see the niche Thanos is talking about, but again Thanos is right - Bard has manicured lawns and wifi. So Antioch needs to invest in its physical plant and facilities. And breadth of faculty and curriculum offerings, and a rep for quality - I just checked the US News report for 2007 and they had Antioch in the third teir, where they do not even bother ranking them anymore, just list them alphabetically. I know a lot of people will say they do not care about stupid US News lists, but it, and other reputation issues, have a big impact on Antioch's ability to recruit students - and recruitment and retention are crucial. Stephanie Scott 1989 From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Tue Jul 3 06:24:00 2007 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 06:36:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Message-ID: Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, in many venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, writing that has included for the most part only tangential references to the Antioch University campuses outside Yellow Springs. Such references have been not only brief but at times open to misconception at best. It is time to provide a closer look at these other campuses of Antioch University. Over the years, Antioch College birthed a number of campuses to constitute a university now composed of the college and five other campuses ? New England, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, Seattle and McGregor. The five non-residential campuses comprise over 5,000 students, 400 faculty and staff members, and 18,000 alumni and constitute 92 percent of the total enrollments of Antioch University. Some 85 percent of the students in the non-residential colleges are enrolled in graduate programs ? master?s and doctorates ? in the professional fields of psychology, education, management, communication, leadership, creative writing, and environmental science. The campuses are non-residential but not ?virtual.? Students take classes in actual buildings on campus; instruction is delivered in a variety of formats (including some online components), but the substantive focus of all instruction is on reflective practice. Antioch University students aim to bring the ways of knowledge and expertise to bear on the needs and changing realities of the community and larger society. On multiple campuses but with one overarching purpose, AntiochUniversityembodies values that are the core components of effective leadership, education, and social activism ? values which have been embedded in them by their mother campus, the college.Indeed, the university mission statement reads ?Antioch University is founded on principles of rigorous liberal arts education, innovative experiential learning and socially engaged citizenship. The multiple campuses of the university nurture in their students the knowledge, skills and habits of reflection to excel as lifelong learners, democratic leaders and global citizens who live lives of meaning and purpose.? As is the case at some other progressive institutions, including Hampshire, Goddard, and Evergreen State (Editors? note: Hampshire and Evergreen State have systems of long-term faculty employment that are in some ways equivalent to tenure.) Antioch chose not to establish tenure at these non-residential campuses. The campuses were intended to address a group of students whose needs would be ever changing ? adult students, many of them in professions and with families, returning to higher education to get the knowledge and qualifications they need to be effective in their careers and their communities. And to meet those students? needs, the campuses realized their own need for flexibility in curricular offerings, the ability to anticipate program requirements and to fulfill them in creative and adaptive ways, engaging a diverse and at times non-traditional faculty. Over some 30 years, the ?adult campuses? grew and thrived by addressing the demand for graduate professional programs that are innovative and ensure quality while adapting to the working adult?s schedule. To offer such programs took a group of faculty who are confident in the quality of their academic credentials and teaching ability in ways that enable them to be creative and flexible as they design programming and curriculum to stay current. It takes an amazing group of talented core faculty who spend hours on campus serving as instructors, faculty advisers, supervisors, and mentors while encouraging critical inquiry and challenging students to think in new and different ways. These core faculty hold doctorates and most are practitioners, researchers, and scholars. Students at the Antioch University campuses do not receive a large portion of their education in courses taught by teaching assistants, as is often the case at many institutions. Rather, they are taught by these core faculty members, a significant number of whom have been with their campuses for over 20 years. In a practice that enhances the breadth and depth of their curricula, programs offered at the campuses often employ part-time faculty members who otherwise work as professional practitioners in their respective fields. These individuals, almost all of whom hold graduate degrees, many of them doctorates, commit to teaching at an Antioch campus over a period of time, providing students the opportunity to work with successful, often prominent figures in their fields of study and their professions. The result of all of this is a faculty that brings multiple kinds of experience, expertise, and both theoretical and practical engagement with the knowledge, beliefs, and actions that are the hallmark of Antioch?s innovative and progressive education for change. Across the years, students have responded enthusiastically ? in word and in action ? to this kind of educational process. ?Antioch offers an opportunity to give yourself permission to think deeply about why you?re doing what you?re doing, then put it into practice,? wrote one. Another said, ? Just a few years ago, if you talked about environmental or holistic sustainability, you were out on the edge or over the edge. Antioch has one foot in the mainstream and one foot not so.? And another: ?Antioch is a school that did not seek to shape my voice, but rather helped me find and strengthen my own voice. My professors cared about how I thought; because that is the tool they taught me to sharpen.? A few snapshots of programs and accomplishments will suggest something of the innovation, excellence, diversity, and commitment to the greater good that characterize Antioch University across its campuses: Antioch University Seattle is the leading institution in the nation in reforming the delivery of education to Native American youth. Its innovative program, supported by multimillion-dollar grants from the Gates, Lumina and Kellogg Foundations, has established over 10 Early College models in three states that have witnessed amazing results in increasing the Native American high school retention, graduation, and successful passing of state required testing, in some cases far above the rates of middle- and upper-class students. Antioch Seattle has just named as its new president Cassandra Manuelito-Kerkvliet, who is believed to be the first Native American woman to hold the presidency of an accredited university outside the tribal college system. Antioch University New England?s doctoral program in psychology is noted for its quality by receiving a 10-year accreditation from the American Psychological Association. The majority of the psychology master?s programs in Seattle and New England are accredited by their professional accrediting agencies. Antioch University Los Angeles?s Creative Writing program will be named in the forthcoming summer fiction issue of the Atlantic magazine as one of the top five low-residency MFA programs in the United States, in the company of the Bennington and Vermont College programs. The Los Angeles MFA has distinguished itself through the use of award-winning faculty in fiction, poetry, and creative non-fiction, and through innovative features such as field study, the translation seminar, the alumni weekend residency, and a student-edited online literary journal. Antioch University McGregor recently received accreditation from the National Council on Accreditation for Teacher Education (NCATE), which attests to its excellence, for its master?s in education program while many other large public institutions have lost their accreditation. The Antioch University Ph.D. in Leadership and Change has been recognized by the Ohio Board of Regents for its quality and innovation. In ?Shift Happens? (published in the July/August issue of Educause), Bill Graves cites Antioch?s Ph.D. program as ?a paradigm-shifting innovation in doctoral education? with positive implications for both graduate-level curriculum and delivery design and undergraduate applications. These few glimpses of the campuses should confirm that Antioch University is a community of educators and learners ? advocates, activists, risk-takers, mavericks, entrepreneurs, creative thinkers, and problem solvers. Those who teach and study at the non-residential campuses fully believe in and work to extend the values upon which Antioch College was founded and for which it has stood across the decades. Indeed, as one current student in the Ph.D. in Leadership and Change program wrote recently in a letter to The Chronicle of Higher Education, ?Many of us in the doctoral program profoundly value our program?s connection with the undergraduate, historically significant, values-driven college. We signed on to study at Antioch, among other reasons, because we wanted a program connected with a deep history and values, a program with deep roots. We chose Antioch.? The Board of Trustees of Antioch University is committed to ensuring the future of Antioch ? across all its campuses and in a manner consonant with its proud history and accomplishments. The temporary suspension of operations at Antioch College was taken as a protective move to enable a time in which to regroup and revitalize the College. Its reopening is strongly advocated and anticipated. As that process moves forward, the five non-residential campuses of Antioch University continue to embody the Antioch vision of higher education, with its dedication to innovation and excellence. Toni Murdock is chancellor of Antioch University. Comments From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply@google.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:32 AM To: dan@nehomemag.com Subject: Google Alert - "antioch college" Google News Alert for: "antioch college" Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds Inside Higher Ed - Washington,DC,USA By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, in many venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, ... See all stories on this topic Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 From gabe at ideadesign-dc.com Tue Jul 3 06:34:27 2007 From: gabe at ideadesign-dc.com (Gabe) Date: Tue Jul 3 06:47:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Veterans at Antioch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SisterSara, Many thanks for your posts. You've asked for posts from the 50-60 alumni. I guess I qualify on both counts, having graduated in '65 and currently being 64. I think your posts are invaluable, as they contain so much history -- which, whether Antioch has a future or not, hard as that is to contemplate, will be increasingly useful and necessary for those who have come after you. I applaud your comments about veterans. I just spent 13 years owning the only career services firm ever given a lease to do business in the Pentagon. More veterans at Antioch would be an excellent development, in my judgment. The college has been altogether lost in a thicket of identity politics and self-absorption. I visited in the early '90s and was sad to see what I saw: students sitting by themselves in the cafeteria, dressed in drab clothing, looking morose; I sat in on a class with Ollie Loud and found students woefully unprepared. It was sad. I'm sure others will say, "It ain't so" but that's what I saw. Nothing that has happened since has surprised me. Veterans have a work ethic that the college and its usual study body would benefit from. There were just a couple of veterans on campus when I was a student at Antioch, and they were notable for their maturity and leadership. Antioch could have used both in the recent decades, and could again if it survives. I worked in higher education, leading an 11-college project in Massachusetts and then left because of the lack of accountability for tangible results. Frankly, I found more integrity in car sales the year I spent doing that; at least at the end of the month you knew if you'd done a decent job or not. The tags were on the board for cars you sold. In academia, there's so much slop in the system and so many intellectualized egos running the system that getting the truth on the table to make an intelligent decision is not easy. Saving Antioch will take an 'angel', be it a foundation or an individual, or even another college such as Bard, where Botstein is entrepreneurial and might be interested in taking on a challenge like this. I'm certainly glad and willing to lend a shoulder to this effort if we can all get behind a plan. I think the faculty's legal struggle is one place to start, if only to delay the process of closing the college by tying the Board up in court and through the discovery process that will unleash. I've asked a friend who's a senior partner in a NY/DC law firm if his firm will consider taking on Antioch's revival/renewal as a pro bono matter. Gabe Heilig > > In a message dated 7/2/2007 9:34:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > sercle@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Toni has talked about recruiting more international students; good idea. And > I had another idea that comes out of my current job with Swords to > Plowshares. > > > > International students have great value, but only if you have something > essentially American to offer them. Right now I doubt that. > > Let me offer up some bits of Antioch History as part of what I want to > suggest. > > Back in the 1930's (when most of who read this will say, Grandma's (or great > Grandma's time) Antioch for it's size played a profound role in > international education. Many do not know this history. In 1931 Edward R. > Murrow, right > out of a state school in Oregon, became the compromise candidate for > President of the National Student Federation of America. In those times NSF > was the > one and only national voice of students, it was organized as chapters on > campuses, and among other things, it required that the President attend an > international conference every summer in Belgium. Thus Murrow undertook his > first > trip abroad, in fact his move to NYC to head the student federation was > actually his first real trip out of Oregon. Anyhow... > > Now in those days NSF had a close relationship with IIE -- the Institute of > International Education, it now has a marble temple of sorts over by the UN, > but in those days it had a loft office, and it sponsored what the US had as > student exchanges. The President of NSF was expected to travel after the > Student Conference and coordinate with the IIE representatives who helped on > these > exchanges. So, in 1931 and 32, this is what Murrow did, and in the process > he met up with anti-Fascist academics and state and federal ministers of > education, some of who also got shot, others became refugees, many of whom > ended > up in concentration camps. But between 1933 and 1936 when Murrow went full > time with CBS, he managed to place almost 700 of the more than 2000 thousand > academics he had on his lists in American Colleges and Universities. It was > a hard thing in the midst of the great depression, but Antioch accepted and > supported twelve, while Yale, Princeton and Harvard accepted zero. It was > hardly the income -- it was the visa that allowed for moving toward being safe > and permanent residency. For those who could really speak English, Murrow > booked them on CBS to talk about their field or about the politics. 25 > dollars > per talk. Many moved on when they found a better position, but many stayed. > In my time in the 50's I knew many of them. > > One of the reasons J. Edgar Hoover hated Antioch has to do with this -- and > it is worth comprehending. But one of my earliest connections with Antioch > was attending a meeting as a teen at the Yellow Springs Friends Meeting House > in October, 1953 with Senator Ralph Flanders, Republican of Vermont, who > keynoted the College's 100th Anniversary event, but who held a small meeting > thereafter about McCarthyism. The meeting went on for hours, but in his > memoirs > Flanders credits it with convincing him to take the lead on the censure of > McCarthy. He credits that meeting and what he eventually heard in Australia > as > his motivation, and he made his Senate Speech on the same day that Murrow > did his piece on TV. (I must say when Jeffords resigned from the Republican > Party as part of his party switch in 2001, and mentioned Ralph Flanders, I > stood up in my living room and cheered. Jeffords was another intern I knew > during my last co-op in Vermont, and Flanders is never to be forgotten.) > > Yes, the little Friends Meeting House in YSO is significant because it was > there that the outline of how to deal with McCarthyism was laid out by someone > who intended to politically lead it for the first time. In part because it > was that was about comprehending the umbrella that had dealt with what > Murrow tried to do with IIE during the 30's. When Murrow broadcast his > famous > piece from Buchenwald the day after the death of FDR, his guide was one of > the > Czech academics who had been on his list that he could not place in the US > before it became impossible, but Eugene Kogan who eventually got to testify > at > Nuremberg and he got his testimony published. We all need to understand how > every advocate who moved to the US, and everyone who kept the faith on this, > is important. Antioch helped many of them -- percentage wise more than the > highly endowed. Paying International Students is useful, but Antioch stands > for something else. We need to honor that. We don't get there just by > looking > at the profit route. We certainly did not in the 30's. But in the 30's the > college did address these profound needs, using a number of devices so as to > not replace existent faculty with those who would work for bread, and a > visa, but to expand the college offerings so as to accommodate what they had > to > offer, and thus bring them in over the horrid quota. Please, when is this > history going to get written? > > In the early 60's something got quite nasty on the campus when some German > Exchange students were identified as having fathers who had been in the SS. > Or maybe the German Army or the SA, not sure I remember accurately. Someone > forgot to do something other than demonstrate rejection. By that time we had > several years of Antiochians in Tubingen and other German sites, and we > should have accommodated. We really didn't. When I taught Tin Drum to lower > division students, I always recounted that scene. (and I have many others) > At > the U of M I have also had the opportunity to teach both Rushdie's Sacred > Verses and Grass's Tin Drum to entering Arab speaking students as part of a > "tolerance" agenda -- and I think it works well. I recommend it. I moved > one > Saudi Prince assigned to my class to work the music of Leonard Bernstein even > though he was opposed to all music. Have any here also done that? Tell us > about it. Making it minimal, what do you do when the prince tells you he > plans > to cut classes so as to furnish his apartment. Well you tell him to fuck it, > because if he is here on a student visa, he is obligated to attend classes. > He can buy furniture on Saturday and Sunday. That is what is critical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From patrick_abroad at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 07:40:51 2007 From: patrick_abroad at yahoo.com (Patrick Cates) Date: Tue Jul 3 07:53:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students In-Reply-To: <20070703091820.51D761BF2CE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <674838.16801.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Trying to attract international students could be a good idea but there are some issues. 1. It is much harder to get student visas to the U.S. than in the past. This is a general problem faced by all U.S. schools; the result has been that schools in other countries have seen increased enrollment of international students while U.S. have seen declining enrollment. 2. Related to that but with special implications for Antioch, you can't work on a student visa. That is hard to square with the co-op program. Not impossible, but a considerable obstacle. 3. The revenue isn't all gravy. If the College is serious about attracting a sizeable population of internalional students, it will have to have an office dedicated to recruitment, orientation, and ongoing academic and cultural support, not to mention an ESL program. These are ongoing costs. 4. Most international students come from Asia. Most of them major in science and engineering. They are used to a very different academic culture. They are also very much educational consumers (much more than Antioch students anyway). Selling them on Antioch College won't be easy. All this isn't to say that Antioch can't/shouldn't try to attract international students. We just need to be aware of the downside. Patrick Cates ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 07:41:55 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 07:54:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Me thinks she doth protest too much. Callie On 7/3/07, Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: > > > Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds > > By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, in many > venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, > writing that has included for the most part only tangential references to the > Antioch University campuses outside Yellow Springs. Such references have been not > only brief but at times open to misconception at best. It is time to provide a > closer look at these other campuses of Antioch University. Over the years, > Antioch College birthed a number of campuses to constitute a university now > composed of the college and five other campuses ? New England, Los Angeles, Santa > Barbara, Seattle and McGregor. The five non-residential campuses comprise over > 5,000 students, 400 faculty and staff members, and 18,000 alumni and > constitute 92 percent of the total enrollments of Antioch University. Some 85 percent > of the students in the non-residential colleges are enrolled in graduate > programs ? master's and doctorates ? in the professional fields of psychology, > education, management, communication, leadership, creative writing, and > environmental science. The campuses are non-residential but not "virtual." Students > take classes in actual buildings on campus; instruction is delivered in a variety > of formats (including some online components), but the substantive focus of > all instruction is on reflective practice. Antioch University students aim > to bring the ways of knowledge and expertise to bear on the needs and > changing realities of the community and larger society. On multiple campuses but with > one overarching purpose, AntiochUniversityembodies values that are the core > components of effective leadership, education, and social activism ? values > which have been embedded in them by their mother campus, the college.Indeed, the > university mission statement reads "Antioch University is founded on > principles of rigorous liberal arts education, innovative experiential learning and > socially engaged citizenship. The multiple campuses of the university nurture in > their students the knowledge, skills and habits of reflection to excel as > lifelong learners, democratic leaders and global citizens who live lives of > meaning and purpose." As is the case at some other progressive institutions, > including Hampshire, Goddard, and Evergreen State (Editors' note: Hampshire and > Evergreen State have systems of long-term faculty employment that are in some ways > equivalent to tenure.) Antioch chose not to establish tenure at these > non-residential campuses. The campuses were intended to address a group of students > whose needs would be ever changing ? adult students, many of them in professions > and with families, returning to higher education to get the knowledge and > qualifications they need to be effective in their careers and their communities. > And to meet those students' needs, the campuses realized their own need for > flexibility in curricular offerings, the ability to anticipate program > requirements and to fulfill them in creative and adaptive ways, engaging a diverse and > at times non-traditional faculty. Over some 30 years, the "adult campuses" > grew and thrived by addressing the demand for graduate professional programs > that are innovative and ensure quality while adapting to the working adult's > schedule. To offer such programs took a group of faculty who are confident in the > quality of their academic credentials and teaching ability in ways that enable > them to be creative and flexible as they design programming and curriculum to > stay current. It takes an amazing group of talented core faculty who spend > hours on campus serving as instructors, faculty advisers, supervisors, and > mentors while encouraging critical inquiry and challenging students to think in new > and different ways. These core faculty hold doctorates and most are > practitioners, researchers, and scholars. Students at the Antioch University campuses > do not receive a large portion of their education in courses taught by teaching > assistants, as is often the case at many institutions. Rather, they are > taught by these core faculty members, a significant number of whom have been with > their campuses for over 20 years. In a practice that enhances the breadth and > depth of their curricula, programs offered at the campuses often employ > part-time faculty members who otherwise work as professional practitioners in their > respective fields. These individuals, almost all of whom hold graduate degrees, > many of them doctorates, commit to teaching at an Antioch campus over a > period of time, providing students the opportunity to work with successful, often > prominent figures in their fields of study and their professions. The result of > all of this is a faculty that brings multiple kinds of experience, expertise, > and both theoretical and practical engagement with the knowledge, beliefs, > and actions that are the hallmark of Antioch's innovative and progressive > education for change. Across the years, students have responded enthusiastically ? > in word and in action ? to this kind of educational process. "Antioch offers > an opportunity to give yourself permission to think deeply about why you're > doing what you're doing, then put it into practice," wrote one. Another said, " > Just a few years ago, if you talked about environmental or holistic > sustainability, you were out on the edge or over the edge. Antioch has one foot in the > mainstream and one foot not so." And another: "Antioch is a school that did not > seek to shape my voice, but rather helped me find and strengthen my own > voice. My professors cared about how I thought; because that is the tool they > taught me to sharpen." A few snapshots of programs and accomplishments will suggest > something of the innovation, excellence, diversity, and commitment to the > greater good that characterize Antioch University across its campuses: > Antioch University Seattle is the leading institution in the nation in > reforming the delivery of education to Native American youth. Its innovative > program, supported by multimillion-dollar grants from the Gates, Lumina and Kellogg > Foundations, has established over 10 Early College models in three states that > have witnessed amazing results in increasing the Native American high school > retention, graduation, and successful passing of state required testing, in > some cases far above the rates of middle- and upper-class students. Antioch > Seattle has just named as its new president Cassandra Manuelito-Kerkvliet, who is > believed to be the first Native American woman to hold the presidency of an > accredited university outside the tribal college system. > Antioch University New England's doctoral program in psychology is noted for > its quality by receiving a 10-year accreditation from the American > Psychological Association. The majority of the psychology master's programs in Seattle > and New England are accredited by their professional accrediting agencies. > Antioch University Los Angeles's Creative Writing program will be named in > the forthcoming summer fiction issue of the Atlantic magazine as one of the top > five low-residency MFA programs in the United States, in the company of the > Bennington and Vermont College programs. The Los Angeles MFA has distinguished > itself through the use of award-winning faculty in fiction, poetry, and > creative non-fiction, and through innovative features such as field study, the > translation seminar, the alumni weekend residency, and a student-edited online > literary journal. > Antioch University McGregor recently received accreditation from the National > Council on Accreditation for Teacher Education (NCATE), which attests to its > excellence, for its master's in education program while many other large > public institutions have lost their accreditation. > The Antioch University Ph.D. in Leadership and Change has been recognized by > the Ohio Board of Regents for its quality and innovation. In "Shift Happens" > (published in the July/August issue of Educause), Bill Graves cites Antioch's > Ph.D. program as "a paradigm-shifting innovation in doctoral education" with > positive implications for both graduate-level curriculum and delivery design > and undergraduate applications. These few glimpses of the campuses should > confirm that Antioch University is a community of educators and learners ? > advocates, activists, risk-takers, mavericks, entrepreneurs, creative thinkers, and > problem solvers. Those who teach and study at the non-residential campuses fully > believe in and work to extend the values upon which Antioch College was > founded and for which it has stood across the decades. Indeed, as one current > student in the Ph.D. in Leadership and Change program wrote recently in a letter to > The Chronicle of Higher Education, "Many of us in the doctoral program > profoundly value our program's connection with the undergraduate, historically > significant, values-driven college. We signed on to study at Antioch, among other > reasons, because we wanted a program connected with a deep history and values, > a program with deep roots. We chose Antioch." The Board of Trustees of Antioch > University is committed to ensuring the future of Antioch ? across all its > campuses and in a manner consonant with its proud history and accomplishments. > The temporary suspension of operations at Antioch College was taken as a > protective move to enable a time in which to regroup and revitalize the College. Its > reopening is strongly advocated and anticipated. As that process moves > forward, the five non-residential campuses of Antioch University continue to embody > the Antioch vision of higher education, with its dedication to innovation and > excellence. Toni Murdock is chancellor of Antioch University. > > Comments > > > From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply@google.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:32 AM > To: dan@nehomemag.com > Subject: Google Alert - "antioch college" > Google News Alert for: "antioch college" Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor > Responds > Inside Higher Ed - Washington,DC,USA > By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, in many > venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, ... > See all stories on this topic > > > > Barbara Winslow > > School of Education > Brooklyn College/CUNY > bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu > http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html > 718-951-4807 > FAX: 718-9514816 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 08:36:16 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Jul 3 08:48:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd(2): fyi Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Monday, July 02, 2007 11:54:11 PM Message From: chill@donet.com Subject: Fwd: fyi To: jgregorek@antioch-college.edu Cc: atbohlen@gmail.com brnspring@yahoo.com cashdevine@gmail.com timothynoble@gmail.com johnston@thepeopleschannel.org Steven Duffy this is a beautiful tribute to Antioch via Joe Cali by Vick. Chris ----- Forwarded message from vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com ----- Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:49:58 +0000 From: vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com Reply-To: vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com Subject: fyi To: chill@donet.com http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/booknook/entries/2007/07/01/the_death_of_a_library.html --------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 08:40:04 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 08:52:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 5:34:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gabe@ideadesign-dc.com writes: I've asked a friend who's a senior partner in a NY/DC law firm if his firm will consider taking on Antioch's revival/renewal as a pro bono matter. Gabe Heilig Thanks for posting. If you can find a good pro-bono lawyer for the cause, you will be a total blessing. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 08:51:36 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 09:04:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:26:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thanos@post.com writes: Antioch had quite a reputation for a long time in lefty European circles. It still has a vague resonance as one of 'our' kinds of islands in a sea of ignorant, bloody Yanks. Just Bard mows the grass more often and has wifi. Among other things, My AEA adventure involved studying at a Folk Hojskole run by the Social Democratic Party and the Labor Unions. I have stayed in touch over these many years with my friends from school and many of my teachers. I always pushed hard for their exchange students going to Antioch, but about 15+ years ago I checked out the question -- could a student get a course of study in American Literature and American History that would introduce to the literature of class and all in the 19th and early 20th century, and on asking, I found out that they could not do it as a class -- just as a readings independent study. To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch was not then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 09:30:11 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 09:42:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Funny revisionism Because I took just such a listed course from Ralph Luker in the spring of 1992. thats 15 years ago right? Perhaps you should have read the course listing again "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:51:36 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc1-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 05:51:47 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AF909605BD0C;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:04:17 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB8605BCEAfor >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:04:14 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Sistersara@aol.comby imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) >id w.ca6.12e733c9 (32913)for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42ZWd3ugc99BWGIzMcj01meka7+bP38geKJo2GWVC6W5s7JSzHJl/VJ >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 12:51:47.0511 (UTC) >FILETIME=[EAB5AC70:01C7BD70] > > >In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:26:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >thanos@post.com writes: > >Antioch had quite a reputation for a long time in lefty European circles. >It still has a vague resonance as one of 'our' kinds of islands in a sea >of >ignorant, bloody Yanks. Just Bard mows the grass more often and has wifi. > > > >Among other things, My AEA adventure involved studying at a Folk Hojskole >run by the Social Democratic Party and the Labor Unions. I have stayed in >touch over these many years with my friends from school and many of my >teachers. >I always pushed hard for their exchange students going to Antioch, but >about >15+ years ago I checked out the question -- could a student get a course >of >study in American Literature and American History that would introduce to >the >literature of class and all in the 19th and early 20th century, and on >asking, I found out that they could not do it as a class -- just as a >readings >independent study. To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large >University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch >was not >then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From afrye at bwsys.net Tue Jul 3 09:47:47 2007 From: afrye at bwsys.net (Ann Frye) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:00:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> Dr. Murdoch's explanation is literate and polite. Unfortunately it does NOT address the question as to why the college had to be destroyed. Ann Frye '56-'61 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 09:48:53 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:00:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:46:27 AM Urgent Message From: doswald@antioch-college.edu Subject: Where do the books go when a college closes? To: Steven Duffy This story was sent to you by: Debra Oswald -------------------- Where do the books go when a college closes? -------------------- By Julia Keller Tribune cultural critic July 1, 2007 So it'll go. The little college with the big history will disappear, at least on paper -- the buildings will hang around, you assume, since we're not exactly talking midtown Manhattan here, and condos aren't much of a possibility -- and the world will lose a little more of its magic. But it can't be helped. Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is tens of millions of dollars in debt, enrollment is sagging, and that's that. The school's Board of Trustees announced last month that after a century and a half of educating the young and the restless, the school -- the alma mater of distinctive writers such as Rod Serling, Lawrence Block, Herb Gardner and Mark Strand -- will close permanently a year from now. Still undetermined, though, is the fate of the Olive Kettering Library. The stolid-looking brick building on the serene campus in west-central Ohio houses some 325,000 books. Yet its irreplaceable heritage is its special collections, including the papers of Horace Mann, Antioch's first president, and those of Arthur Morgan, who ran the school in the 1920s and pioneered the idea of co-op education: Antioch students spend several semesters off campus, working in their chosen fields. "We are told that the library will be maintained. What that means, I'm not sure," said a worried-sounding Nina Myatt in an interview last week at the library. "There are lots of raggedy edges that either haven't been thought through, or that we haven't been told about." Myatt, Antioch class of '53, is the curator of Antioch's special collections. She's only the third person to hold that job since 1900. She loves what she does, and until the trustees dropped their bombshell last month, she had no plans to retire. "I've taken care of all of this for so long," she said with a wistful sigh, nodding toward the tall bookshelves. Antioch College is part of the five-location Antioch University system. The other locations, at which are operated non-residential degree programs, will stay in business. Because the library theoretically serves all locations, administrators have said it will keep the lights on -- but no guarantees on longevity. Myatt and her colleagues remain uneasy. Yet in an online world in which so much of the world's knowledge now is available with the brief sweep of a mouse, who needs bricks and mortar? Who needs physical archives? Well, anybody with a romantic soul, for one thing. To engage with a letter or document on a computer screen is quite different from engaging with the real thing, from being in the presence of the tangible literary artifact. Basic data can be endlessly and harmlessly manipulated, shifted from book to screen to CD-ROM. The portal from which you access most information? Irrelevant. But when you peer at the actual piece of paper bearing the signature of the person whose mind and heart created it, you feel as if you're part of a great invisible chain of thought and feeling; you're not just a reader, but almost a collaborator. Moreover, once historical documents are lost, or damaged through neglect, they're gone. You can't call the Help Desk and get a tech to come over and show you how to right-click your way out of catastrophe. Thus as Antioch limps toward extinction, perhaps another institution will step up and take over the archives, and perhaps Antioch's administrators will agree to let the precious material find another home. It's our history. History is made every day, of course, but never the same history twice. "It makes a great lump come into my throat, to think of all of this being mothballed," Myatt said. "It's just very sad." And perhaps tragically short-sighted as well. ---------- jikeller@tribune.com Copyright (c) 2007, Chicago Tribune From olenick at valueinnovation.net Tue Jul 3 09:57:48 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:10:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> References: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> Message-ID: <018901c7bd7a$24443ca0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value -- what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, a Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically worth little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, and the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to the U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. M. From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 10:00:50 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:13:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dawn: I have been following SisterSara's postings quite closely. Her "sketch" has a clear direction a plan might take. I believe she has proposed quite a bit that could be useful. However there has to be some clear desire from enough to begin moving forward. Her outline of creating a Foundation which will allow the Alumni to have real leverage with the BoT and to perhaps channel fund raising into something with clearer vision, accountability, etc does more to focus the debate than anything I have read. What are you planning? I suppose we could all go chain ourselves to the trees and doors of Main Building and OK Library--but I am not sure that would get us very far for very long. I grew up in Kent, OH. My father was a professor and a Peace Marshall on campus during the protests leading up to when the students were shot in 1970--years later in the late 1970's there were plans to develop a gym on the site where the shootings took place--it pretty much altered the landscape to the point it would be very difficult to imagine the events and the distance the students actually were from the National Guard when the shots were fired. When this gym was proposed, many in the community were outraged including me, 15 yrs old, and frustrated with the lies and lack of accountability by this proposal. There was a tent city built on the site where people lived for close to a year--some even brought their children to live in the tents. There were court battles. People chained themselves to fences to keep the gym from being built. I remember one mass rally where people from all over--including Antioch--came to protest. Joan Baez even showed up to sing a few folk songs. For awhile it looked like it might do some good--but eventually the gym was built and the landscape permanently altered. I tell this story not to put down direct action which can create change, but to show that it does not necessarily lead to results of the intended goal--perhaps if there had been engagement or some other leverage protesters might have had to counter the gym proposal-- perhaps it never would have been built. As a follow-up--in 2000 I was home visiting my mother in Kent during the 30th anniversary and I was encouraged by the outpouring within the KSU community by those who organized this event, using it as a touchstone for "Experiencing Democracy" There was also the return of Allison Krause's boyfriend--who held her as she died. Alison was the young woman who had put flowers in the barrels of the guns of the guardsmen the day before those same guns shot her. Her boyfriend, had never returned to campus before this event. He read a very moving poem by Bob Dylan called "Who Killed Allison" I felt very honored to be present for that return and the legacy which was being carried--despite the gym's presence. I am sure there were some Antioch students in that crowd who may also remember. Remembrance and Legacy do count for something, even when the immediate battle may not be a victory for humanity. Our fear at the time of the gym protest was that the administration was trying to cover-up the history of the events. What 2000 showed me was that a place whose historic presence, whose legacy matters, cannot be destroyed--that it will continue--if we care enough to remember, record, reflect, and create a vision to sustain it. No gymnasium could ever cover up the memory of that sacred ground. Currently I am beginning to make contacts with people I know where I live who have created successful Foundations to see how difficult it would be to develop one. The former president of the hospital where I work has enthusiastically responded with 3 contacts and a willingness to meet with me personally. The contacts she named involved a woman involved in academic foundation work, one involved in regional foundation development, and one in health care who has hit the ground running--she feels he has much knowledge beyond the foundation work he is doing in her current health care organization and would have resources for how to do this. I am also reaching out to our friends and neighbors at White Earth Indian Reservation--close to where my husband and I farm in Minnesota. I am hoping Winona LaDuke might respond with some suggestions for reviving a sustainable Antioch. Her total focus is on community organizing and building sustainabillity. I suggest some others in our alumni community might do some leg work as well. I am sure there is more than a wellspring of experience that could be channeled to get this job done. It might not be so difficult to develop a foundation to channel alumni energy--that might be more impressive than the current Revival Fund that lists a US Bank account. There are many who will not contribute a dime to keep the place running until there is a clearer plan that firewalls money from the University System--this is also how we develop leverage so that perhaps we could actually find a means to invest in the future or take the Alumni challenge to a larger donor base. I have heard one legal mind say simply, "We need to buy back or find someone who will buy back the College from the University." Sister Sara speaks more of leverage for the alumni to develop the future not just leaving it in the hands of hired developers or Toni's sweeping gesture of a plan without considerable input from those of us who care about the place. Let us not even mention the lives of those who there on the ground facing huge changes and challenges. How do we as an alumni group create a body that has some independent leverage--not just becoming a means to fund raise what was the figure given by BoT/Toni 10-20 million $. What do we do hand it over to the BoT who has behaved as it has, thus far--I am not convinced this is the way to go. I am not convinced that this will save the College. Please show me another solution--I would like to hear them. If anyone has some ideas and would like to follow-up on them. Perhaps we could get an ad-hoc committee going to explore the possibility for developing a foundation. Please let me know. It may take some time, but perhaps not as long as it appears. We need to draw on a large pool of minds and wealth if alumni are truly going to make a difference here. We need to have our wits about us and a grasp of the history of Antioch--across the generations. If others have a different plan or vision please feel free to chime in. I am trying to get a clearer picture of the AIF campaign led by Katy Jako . If anyone has the actually wording of Katy's proposal and the list of Antioch grads who pledged and the notes of the BoT refusal to meet I would certainly appreciate. I am having trouble finding them if they are the heap of these postings. Has Katy made any postings anywhere that others might have access. I would appreciate this information. Also what was JD Dawson's last book titled which was published before he died? Does anyone have a copy or how easy it would be to attain? Did anyone work on that fund raising campaign. Does anyone have perspective on what were the strengths and failures of these efforts? Respectfully, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr >From: Dawn Scribner >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:56:25 -0700 > >"That my friend is not >how you successfully build institutions." >------------------------------------------- >Perhaps you should put your considerable energy, experience and opinions >into a plan and present it. Dissent is fine, even laudable and certainly >Antiochian but, all we keep hearing is what is wrong with what everyone >else >is suggesting. > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From skooter3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 10:05:36 2007 From: skooter3 at gmail.com (Christian Skotte) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:18:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students In-Reply-To: <674838.16801.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070703091820.51D761BF2CE@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> <674838.16801.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, because co-op is an educational requirement, students on an F-1 visa can (and indeed must) work while studying at Antioch. That aspect isn't a problem at all. Skooter On 7/3/07, Patrick Cates wrote: > > > > 2. Related to that but with special implications for > Antioch, you can't work on a student visa. That is > hard to square with the co-op program. Not impossible, > but a considerable obstacle. > > From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 10:07:36 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:20:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Message-ID: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't think it's necessarily in the interest of the College to alienate the University students and alumni, who seem to identify with the Antioch College brand and values far more than their University administrators. But yes, the brand is worth a lot, and yes, even if nobody says a word about University of Phoenix, over time, the Antioch brand will crumble without the College, taking the University's fortunes with it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Olenick To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:57:48 AM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value -- what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, a Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically worth little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, and the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to the U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. M. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From m-vickers at comcast.net Tue Jul 3 10:07:36 2007 From: m-vickers at comcast.net (Michael I.Vickers) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:20:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> References: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> Message-ID: <8bc7c4ff1e0c8ddb0c40adc842ad4b1b@comcast.net> The decision-making process was closed and hierarchical with no reaching out to the greater AC community for more help/participation and to determine if other possible solutions might be out there in the AC gene-pool. This narrow focus ignores the basics of Antioch values. "Self governance" and "participation" are not only values, they also are powerful problem solving tools. Dr. M. needs a few years at Antioch herself. "Saying" she values the College, does not make it if she doesn't know how to function within it's values. MV '69 On Jul 3, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Ann Frye wrote: > Dr. Murdoch's explanation is literate and polite. Unfortunately it > does NOT address the question as to why the college had to be > destroyed. > > Ann Frye '56-'61 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 10:10:21 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:22:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <018901c7bd7a$24443ca0$6501a8c0@michaelo> References: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> <018901c7bd7a$24443ca0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: I disagree. I do not believe the strategy to save the college should be to disparage the other campuses. There are some amazing people and programs throughout the system and while I'm sure some are better than others it seems to me pathetic and, frankly desperate, to tear them down in order to raise up the College's position. I agree about the brand and the clear concern that with the College closing, it will certainly impact the overall identity of the University. It seems to me we need to help the media understand the power of the brand. Wouldn't it be an interesting story if alumni showed up at college fairs and high schools to recruit students in spite of the announcement? Callie On 7/3/07, Michael Olenick wrote: > > Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the > satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others > have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for > what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. > > Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, > worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird > thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value > -- > what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, > a > Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically > worth > little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies > (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, > and > the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). > > We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the > rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to > the > U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. > > M. > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From alanbenard at comcast.net Tue Jul 3 10:13:40 2007 From: alanbenard at comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:26:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students Message-ID: <070320071413.15358.468A599400019BEA00003BFE22120207840B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> > Patrick Cates wrote: > 2. Related to that but with special implications for >Antioch, you can't work on a student visa. That is >hard to square with the co-op program. Not impossible,. >but a considerable obstacle. International students can be employed on the property of the institution which granted the I-20. They could work on-campus co-ops and at the other Antioch centers.. International Students can also participate in curricular practical training -- an internship which yields upper-division credit -- and pre-completion Optional Practical Training -- work related to one's field of study off campus for up to one year. OPT can also be done "post completion" -- giving the student four quarters of "hanging co-ops." I also agree about the other issues related to international ed. It is rewarding for everyone and a worthy enterprise, but not a magic bullet. Alan Benard, '92 From patrick_abroad at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 10:15:18 2007 From: patrick_abroad at yahoo.com (Patrick Cates) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:27:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <826725.99203.qm@web83014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My impression is that they can work as long as they don't get paid, but I could be wrong. As I said, not impossible, but an obstacle. Patrick --- Christian Skotte wrote: > Actually, because co-op is an educational > requirement, students on an F-1 > visa can (and indeed must) work while studying at > Antioch. That aspect isn't > a problem at all. > > Skooter > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From thanos at post.com Tue Jul 3 10:09:27 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:30:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: <20070703140927.D9B3B1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> >> To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch was not then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. SisterSara, no one is suggesting we promise something that Antioch does not, or will not, have. As far as I can tell, this discussion forum has become more or less a brainstorm for reinvigorating the college You seem to believe closing it for 4 years is the best way to do this, I think the changes can and should happen while the college is open, but we both believe Antioch's mission is worth something. Attracting international students is one good way of increasing revenue, and I think it also fits perfectly with ideals of cross-cultural understanding which are probably more vital now than ever in our history. As I've emphasized before, the number of professors at the college should be doubled, and while we're at it let's triple the budget of the Admissions Office. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 10:24:27 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:37:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder what will become of Herb Gardner's collection? So many stewardship questions. Dear Nina, you have been such an important piece of this institution! Callie On 7/3/07, Steven Duffy wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:46:27 AM > Urgent Message > From: doswald@antioch-college.edu > Subject: Where do the books go when a college closes? > To: Steven Duffy > > This story was sent to you by: Debra Oswald > > -------------------- > Where do the books go when a college closes? > -------------------- > > By Julia Keller > Tribune cultural critic > > July 1, 2007 > > So it'll go. The little college with the big history will disappear, at > least on paper -- the buildings will hang around, you assume, since we're > not exactly talking midtown Manhattan here, and condos aren't much of a > possibility -- and the world will lose a little more of its magic. But it > can't be helped. Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is tens of > millions of dollars in debt, enrollment is sagging, and that's that. The > school's Board of Trustees announced last month that after a century and a > half of educating the young and the restless, the school -- the alma mater > of distinctive writers such as Rod Serling, Lawrence Block, Herb Gardner > and Mark Strand -- will close permanently a year from now. > > Still undetermined, though, is the fate of the Olive Kettering Library. > The stolid-looking brick building on the serene campus in west-central > Ohio houses some 325,000 books. Yet its irreplaceable heritage is its > special collections, including the papers of Horace Mann, Antioch's first > president, and those of Arthur Morgan, who ran the school in the 1920s and > pioneered the idea of co-op education: Antioch students spend several > semesters off campus, working in their chosen fields. > > "We are told that the library will be maintained. What that means, I'm not > sure," said a worried-sounding Nina Myatt in an interview last week at the > library. "There are lots of raggedy edges that either haven't been thought > through, or that we haven't been told about." > > Myatt, Antioch class of '53, is the curator of Antioch's special > collections. She's only the third person to hold that job since 1900. She > loves what she does, and until the trustees dropped their bombshell last > month, she had no plans to retire. "I've taken care of all of this for so > long," she said with a wistful sigh, nodding toward the tall bookshelves. > > Antioch College is part of the five-location Antioch University system. > The other locations, at which are operated non-residential degree > programs, will stay in business. Because the library theoretically serves > all locations, administrators have said it will keep the lights on -- but > no guarantees on longevity. Myatt and her colleagues remain uneasy. > > Yet in an online world in which so much of the world's knowledge now is > available with the brief sweep of a mouse, who needs bricks and mortar? > Who needs physical archives? > > Well, anybody with a romantic soul, for one thing. > > To engage with a letter or document on a computer screen is quite > different from engaging with the real thing, from being in the presence of > the tangible literary artifact. Basic data can be endlessly and harmlessly > manipulated, shifted from book to screen to CD-ROM. The portal from which > you access most information? Irrelevant. But when you peer at the actual > piece of paper bearing the signature of the person whose mind and heart > created it, you feel as if you're part of a great invisible chain of > thought and feeling; you're not just a reader, but almost a collaborator. > > Moreover, once historical documents are lost, or damaged through neglect, > they're gone. You can't call the Help Desk and get a tech to come over and > show you how to right-click your way out of catastrophe. > > Thus as Antioch limps toward extinction, perhaps another institution will > step up and take over the archives, and perhaps Antioch's administrators > will agree to let the precious material find another home. It's our > history. History is made every day, of course, but never the same history > twice. > > "It makes a great lump come into my throat, to think of all of this being > mothballed," Myatt said. "It's just very sad." > > And perhaps tragically short-sighted as well. > > ---------- > > jikeller@tribune.com > Copyright (c) 2007, Chicago Tribune > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Bwpurplewins at cs.com Tue Jul 3 10:40:53 2007 From: Bwpurplewins at cs.com (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:53:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? Message-ID: When I sold my house, I gave about 100 boxes of books. Laura Kopp (07) helped me pack them. Joe Cali put a book plate in each one. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 From olenick at valueinnovation.net Tue Jul 3 10:42:40 2007 From: olenick at valueinnovation.net (Michael Olenick) Date: Tue Jul 3 10:55:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a301c7bd80$68ce1bb0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Getting us to shut-up when making comparisons is a great incentive for Toni to start speaking with us. It's a stick that's extremely effective, unique to the Alumni, something the University has no control over, and costs little or nothing to use. I'm not trying to garner the good-will of the University students: I'm not setting out to alienate them but if that happens it's ok. After all, I haven't exactly heard them clamoring to support us in great numbers. The University has breached their fiduciary obligation to us to keep the reputation of Antioch up. We paid them in time and money for our diplomas: they answered us that they're reneging on their half of the bargain to pursue a condo development deal. I don't know why we wouldn't use what looks to be a great bargaining chip as aggressively as possible. M. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 10:58:51 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:11:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:18:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thanos@post.com writes: Attracting international students is one good way of increasing revenue, and I think it also fits perfectly with ideals of cross-cultural understanding which are probably more vital now than ever in our history. As I've emphasized before, the number of professors at the college should be doubled, and while we're at it let's triple the budget of the Admissions Office. Making a recommendation to someone not in a position to assess the situation personally is a matter of personally vouching using your own reputation for honesty. And while I agree an international student body might be good, I am quite unwilling to vouch when my personal observation is that what is promised is not really available. This includes not only international students who may only spend a year at Antioch, but it also includes American Students. When you ask, for instance, about the status of language professors -- are they tenured or on long term contracts, and no one can give you a clear direct answer, well what do you say to a student who wants a minor in a language listed in the catalogue, AEA where it is spoken, but in addition a concentration in the literature and history. Well sadly, you tell the truth. Many here seem to have forgotten that in addition to Antioch Values, education is a huge investment, and these days, that is how it is assessed. In the early 1990's I had the opportunity to be in on an interesting program that the German Government totally paid for -- the re-education of former E. German teachers of American Studies. What this involved was taking existing courses apart, figuring out what had been missing in the way the former E. German Universities taught American Studies, and pitching it to the German Government given their interest -- namely bringing differently prepared E. German Teachers up to the point that they could compete easily with W. Germans in American Studies. Ultimately it was about jobs in German Universities and other advanced schools, and whether former E. German teachers would have a clean shot at those jobs. That, my friends is an aspect of the marketplace today. International students, particularly those subsidized, have quite particular courses of study they are interested in buying. Large Universities can answer their needs, particularly because they can easily adjust offerings, or even invent segments of ten classes already listed as one class on demand. There is no way Antioch can compete in this marketplace. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:00:11 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:12:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <01a301c7bd80$68ce1bb0$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: I think we can do both. I think the university students are getting a watered-down warmed over version of an Antioch education. I think pressing Toni now on all fronts is good. She is clearly on the defensive. My roomate studies 7-Star Praying Mantis GongFu. He fights like and angry bug. 7-Star Praying Mantis has 12 principles linked in 6 sets of 2. The 4th set is called Jim-Lam and means roughly "pressing or sticking" - "Contact" (sorry I dont speak or translate Mandarin). What this means in terms of fighting like and mantis and application of principles is that when the your enemy is on the defensive or slackens their attack you stick to them and press the contact. It's a principle of relentless overrun from the outside (Mantis stylists attack from the front to side flanks in a circular fashion) and the speed application of technique after technique never giving your enemy pause to recover. Since the DDN article and now this It's clear that she has slackened her attack. We are on the outside, we must press in from the sides and batter her position. Sorry for the out of culture metaphor but it applies. Someone should respond to her article there and in other places. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Michael Olenick" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "'Alumni Chat List'" >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:42:40 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc4-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 07:42:44 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E1207605C1A3;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:55:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net >[216.148.227.152])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6B3605C184for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:55:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from michaelo >(c-66-229-157-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[66.229.157.103])by comcast.net >(rwcrmhc12) with SMTPid <20070703144241m12004pr2re>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >14:42:41 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW40x0fN8G1lW5Rbq+sHyMu2WJKIju8BeqvI77/tWudrelC+7MA807j+C >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >Thread-Index: Ace9e4Q0hoM9pLzkRD27KdJ9RHzCUQABAQZA >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 14:42:44.0914 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6AD4C120:01C7BD80] > >Getting us to shut-up when making comparisons is a great incentive for Toni >to start speaking with us. It's a stick that's extremely effective, unique >to the Alumni, something the University has no control over, and costs >little or nothing to use. I'm not trying to garner the good-will of the >University students: I'm not setting out to alienate them but if that >happens it's ok. After all, I haven't exactly heard them clamoring to >support us in great numbers. > >The University has breached their fiduciary obligation to us to keep the >reputation of Antioch up. We paid them in time and money for our diplomas: >they answered us that they're reneging on their half of the bargain to >pursue a condo development deal. I don't know why we wouldn't use what >looks to be a great bargaining chip as aggressively as possible. > >M. > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:02:36 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:15:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Curious Message-ID: Has it struck anyone else as odd that the entire alumni body has not yet received any written notification from the University announceing the College's imending closing and The Renewal Plan-Part Duex ? It would seem to be me that this is both legally and ethically important since many are off the electronic communication grid, word of mouth is not very reliable and the media reports are less than accurate. I had to call my mother (class of '47) to let her know and she was completely shocked although they would have eventually seen it in the NYTimes--an unfortunate source, I would add. I believe I read that all current parents and students have been contacted. There are a handful of former parents who contribute to the annual fund and again, I would hope they are in the loop of communication...if there is any. Anyone know anything? Could the alumni afford to do a mailing-even just a postcard with a website address to check into for organizing information? Even if my parents don't use a computer they have grandchildren and children nearby who do. Callie From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:08:22 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:21:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Curious In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found out via npr and recieved no notification by mail I'm also not easy to find "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From skooter3 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:10:09 2007 From: skooter3 at gmail.com (Christian Skotte) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:22:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/3/07, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: > > Large Universities can > answer their needs, particularly because they can easily adjust offerings, or > even invent segments of ten classes already listed as one class on demand. > There is no way Antioch can compete in this marketplace. You're creating a false dichotomy here. Antioch does not and will never compete against large universities. Antioch competes with small colleges. Small colleges teach the liberal arts. They are not comprehensive universities. Students attend liberal arts colleges to get a well-rounded education before specializing in graduate school. On 7/3/07, Sistersara@aol.com wrote: >This includes not only international students >who may only spend a year at Antioch, but it also includes American Students. >When you ask, for instance, about the status of language professors -- are >they tenured or on long term contracts, and no one can give you a clear direct >answer, well what do you say to a student who wants a minor in a language >listed in the catalogue, AEA where it is spoken, but in addition a concentration >in the literature and history. Well sadly, you tell the truth. It's not a sad fact. Earlham College offers German, French, Japanese, and Spanish. Marboro offers Spanish and French. I'm not sure I see what your problem is. Skooter From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:12:12 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:24:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I'm not sure I see what your >problem is. > > >Skooter Skooter, Her problem is that she is clearly in Toni Murdocks pocket and is a shill for the university. ---G _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From santcooper at aol.com Tue Jul 3 11:14:23 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:27:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] blessing and curse Message-ID: <8C98B9BF9310DE5-5A8-2BA2@WEBMAIL-RD09.sysops.aol.com> Toni,the Board,and Steve.............have a plan an agenda which they are not at present comfortable enough to share with the rest of us.Reading the Chancellors statement one can't help feeling that the University powers feel so strongly about tenured faculty that they would break bones in the College and let the ground lie fallow for years inorder to exorcise the evil.In closing the College they effectively declared war on the tenured faculty,and relegated to themselves the task to be the College's sole rejuvenator.The Alumni not on the board are a cash cow,that is more to be humored than included,and if it is riled now it will produce more $$$ milk and then presently go back to docile grazing.The Board holds the power and only vast sums of money or a court injunction will deter them from their present course,they have the best of intentions......I am sure...Except for certain reasons it is better for the present that they not share them. sc 76 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From jasonRissa at comcast.net Tue Jul 3 11:21:02 2007 From: jasonRissa at comcast.net (Jason Fregeau) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:33:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Ohio pro bono attorney Message-ID: <0DF46057-8F56-482A-9AD1-DD7255B04EC0@comcast.net> I have sixteen years of litigation experience, eight in Greene/Clark/ Montgomery County and the federal courts. I may live in MA, but I'm still actively licensed in Ohio. As an alum I'm intensely interested in helping the College stay alive. Even if my legal experience is not needed, please contact me for volunteer work -- I have the time and the inclination! ------------------- Jason David Fregeau, Esq. 47 Lincoln Road Longmeadow, MA 01106 413/567-2461 413/567-2932 fax Also admitted in Ohio From fbb6 at columbia.edu Tue Jul 3 11:21:08 2007 From: fbb6 at columbia.edu (Freda B Birnbaum) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:33:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Gerry Bello wrote: >> I'm not sure I see what your problem is. >> >> Skooter > > > Skooter, > > Her problem is that she is clearly in Toni Murdocks pocket and is a > shill for the university. Huh? I admit that I have only been skimming since the volume got too high to read everything right away, but if you are referring to anything Sistersara has said recently, I don't see how that possibly computes. She's been one of the most clearheaded and thoughtful and POI (persons of integrity) posters here. Freda Bluestone Birnbaum '65 "Call on God, but row away from the rocks" From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:31:26 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:44:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would tend to disagree. So far she has attempted to shoot down any constructive plan for rebuild. So far she has alone advocated clsoing the college. She alone refers to the chancellor as Dr. Murdock She alone pours negativity on any decent suggestion She alone feels the college cant succeed in it current form. She alone supports "doing what Arthur Morgan did" and firing all but one faculty member. She nearly alone attacks Bob as soon as he posts Objectively speaking that doing work for the other side. Subejctively speaking maybe she thinks she's doing a good thing for the college, but that would in fact be a deluded position "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Freda B Birnbaum >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >CC: Freda B Birnbaum >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc9-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 08:21:13 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AA21F605C542;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (serrano.cc.columbia.edu >[128.59.29.6])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B395605C521for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (mango.cc.columbia.edu >[128.59.29.52])by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id >l63FLAsJ021760;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >mango.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l63FLAF3024427; Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from localhost (fbb6@localhost)by mango.cc.columbia.edu >(8.13.7/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP idl63FL8EI024408; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42UI/tkdcwrUZGagcQolgAAH+KgEkVjpsUwDtwwsFk/gHHswiMiGMsQ >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Authentication-Warning: mango.cc.columbia.edu: fbb6 owned process doing >-bs >References: >X-No-Spam-Score: Local >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 15:21:13.0759 (UTC) >FILETIME=[CB028AF0:01C7BD85] > >On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Gerry Bello wrote: > >>>I'm not sure I see what your problem is. >>> >>>Skooter >> >> >>Skooter, >> >>Her problem is that she is clearly in Toni Murdocks pocket and is a shill >>for the university. > >Huh? I admit that I have only been skimming since the volume got too high >to read everything right away, but if you are referring to anything >Sistersara has said recently, I don't see how that possibly computes. She's >been one of the most clearheaded and thoughtful and POI (persons of >integrity) posters here. > >Freda Bluestone Birnbaum '65 >"Call on God, but row away from the rocks" >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:32:39 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:45:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Ohio pro bono attorney In-Reply-To: <0DF46057-8F56-482A-9AD1-DD7255B04EC0@comcast.net> Message-ID: Can you write and file the motions that will independently from the faculties suit get us the smoking gun to actually see what the real estate scam at the eart of this is? "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Jason Fregeau >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Ohio pro bono attorney >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:02 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc5-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 08:21:06 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C564605C516;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net >[204.127.225.94])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475C8605C4F7for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:35 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [192.168.1.100] >(user-12l2ig4.cable.mindspring.com[69.81.74.4])by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) >with SMTPid <20070703152059b14004n462e>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:20:59 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW418xTpHFOlFRFkOZEuteGGWAoIydR4fLJC8JDKstyqN+ljvZg40idLP >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 15:21:06.0482 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C6AC2920:01C7BD85] > >I have sixteen years of litigation experience, eight in Greene/Clark/ >Montgomery County and the federal courts. I may live in MA, but I'm still >actively licensed in Ohio. As an alum I'm intensely interested in helping >the College stay alive. Even if my legal experience is not needed, please >contact me for volunteer work -- I have the time and the inclination! >------------------- >Jason David Fregeau, Esq. >47 Lincoln Road >Longmeadow, MA 01106 >413/567-2461 >413/567-2932 fax >Also admitted in Ohio > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 11:36:35 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:48:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] more than half way to the first million Message-ID: Unlike the MD telethon we do not yet have a tote board. I am hearing that the Revival Fund is nearing 525,000, so you hafta sound yer own trumpets and toin the numbahs. The first goal was 1 million in 30 days........hmm....this collective energy is awesome...eventhough it is kinda late in coming. Hopeful but not terribly optimistic.. (Using Jewel Graham's motto) Duffy '77 Alumni Board Associate (means term-limited) 41 year community member 31 year staff riding the big roller coaster in YSO. too tired to do little more than lurk. and don't forget the normal Annual Fund at the College..gotta pay for toilet flushes and xerox paper and other amenities From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:40:35 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 11:53:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] more than half way to the first million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was under the impression that the College cannot accept any funds for anything right now. is that not correct? On 7/3/07, Steven Duffy wrote: > > Unlike the MD telethon we do not yet have a tote board. > > I am hearing that the Revival Fund is nearing 525,000, so you hafta sound > yer own trumpets and toin the numbahs. > > The first goal was 1 million in 30 days........hmm....this collective > energy is awesome...eventhough > it is kinda late in coming. Hopeful but not terribly optimistic.. (Using > Jewel Graham's motto) > > > Duffy '77 > Alumni Board Associate (means term-limited) > 41 year community member > 31 year staff > riding the big roller coaster in YSO. > > too tired to do little more than lurk. > > and don't forget the normal Annual Fund at the College..gotta pay for > toilet flushes and xerox paper and other amenities > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From jonahliebert at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:49:35 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:02:09 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gerry, your analytic skills are mighty impressive. DId you learn them at Antioch College? I wish I had chosen your major. It seems prudent to learn from Sistersara whose knowledge of Antioch's history and current situation is impressive and has taught me much already. That doesn't mean you have to agree with her, but at least you might actually learn something. Further, the day you actually come up with a plan as clear as Sistersara's proposal is the day you would actually have a legitimate chance to critique her contributions to this forum. Jonah On 7/3/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > I would tend to disagree. > > So far she has attempted to shoot down any constructive plan for rebuild. > > So far she has alone advocated clsoing the college. > > She alone refers to the chancellor as Dr. Murdock > > She alone pours negativity on any decent suggestion > > She alone feels the college cant succeed in it current form. > > She alone supports "doing what Arthur Morgan did" and firing all but one > faculty member. > > She nearly alone attacks Bob as soon as he posts > > Objectively speaking that doing work for the other side. > > Subejctively speaking maybe she thinks she's doing a good thing for the > college, but that would in fact be a deluded position > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt > about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves > the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > > > > > >From: Freda B Birnbaum > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >To: Alumni Chat List > >CC: Freda B Birnbaum > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by > >bay0-mc9-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, > 3 > >Jul 2007 08:21:13 -0700 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AA21F605C542;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:44 -0400 > (EDT) > >Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (serrano.cc.columbia.edu > >[128.59.29.6])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B395605C521for > >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (mango.cc.columbia.edu > >[128.59.29.52])by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id > >l63FLAsJ021760;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by > >mango.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l63FLAF3024427; Tue, > 3 > >Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from localhost (fbb6@localhost)by mango.cc.columbia.edu > >(8.13.7/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP idl63FL8EI024408; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 > >11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) > >X-Message-Info: > >txF49lGdW42UI/tkdcwrUZGagcQolgAAH+KgEkVjpsUwDtwwsFk/gHHswiMiGMsQ > >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >X-Authentication-Warning: mango.cc.columbia.edu: fbb6 owned process doing > >-bs > >References: > >X-No-Spam-Score: Local > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 > >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: Alumni Chat List > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=unsubscribe> > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=subscribe> > >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 15:21:13.0759 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[CB028AF0:01C7BD85] > > > >On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > >>>I'm not sure I see what your problem is. > >>> > >>>Skooter > >> > >> > >>Skooter, > >> > >>Her problem is that she is clearly in Toni Murdocks pocket and is a > shill > >>for the university. > > > >Huh? I admit that I have only been skimming since the volume got too > high > >to read everything right away, but if you are referring to anything > >Sistersara has said recently, I don't see how that possibly computes. > She's > >been one of the most clearheaded and thoughtful and POI (persons of > >integrity) posters here. > > > >Freda Bluestone Birnbaum '65 > >"Call on God, but row away from the rocks" > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 11:53:57 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:06:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually about 8 of us are revising a plan that we will present here shortly "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Jonah Liebert" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:49:35 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc6-f22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 08:49:39 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id EC121605C73D;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com >[209.85.132.243])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27309605C71Bfor >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:02:08 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so487760anafor >; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.173.19 with SMTP id v19mr4409488ane.1183477775582;Tue, >03 Jul 2007 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.100.166.19 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW418Vn4dQVsKHN31bjhPBU7E2wxNnyGcveDpw3Rw2fQLgP+FBUyK8x6B >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references;b=SotyHb9QXqgq3h70FUMLwyyHHxqktni1jHdhoSTBAZfaCjVIMhDn4RyL/X+wg3ya+rzkETHj9YTrCyeK9GnXnmF5tYwszd8MNeAsiRPC1Fm5qNXxLCl89y5nTTTXr13kYK6o05ZeHJon6K1nj63qnXzp7UAunBUCzdFONdjexS4= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references;b=WmncmF/MxbFwKU5zHwL6UDTM0QkfRfExJRByIwD5E2aLpz1a/ulZtFK3kakGHoLegYCwhg83JMIIq9nyLgpgQjqvSh1VM+h41yLM/jUcGZ5utQQQDSxuybpKYGHfwjTBRNxViTdKKnIedqQByPA/obk2ZrJCh2OT6N+dvSw6Urc= >References: > >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 15:49:39.0289 (UTC) >FILETIME=[C395C490:01C7BD89] > >Gerry, your analytic skills are mighty impressive. DId you learn them at >Antioch College? I wish I had chosen your major. It seems prudent to >learn >from Sistersara whose knowledge of Antioch's history and current situation >is impressive and has taught me much already. That doesn't mean you have >to >agree with her, but at least you might actually learn something. Further, >the day you actually come up with a plan as clear as Sistersara's proposal >is the day you would actually have a legitimate chance to critique her >contributions to this forum. > >Jonah > >On 7/3/07, Gerry Bello wrote: >> >> >>I would tend to disagree. >> >>So far she has attempted to shoot down any constructive plan for rebuild. >> >>So far she has alone advocated clsoing the college. >> >>She alone refers to the chancellor as Dr. Murdock >> >>She alone pours negativity on any decent suggestion >> >>She alone feels the college cant succeed in it current form. >> >>She alone supports "doing what Arthur Morgan did" and firing all but one >>faculty member. >> >>She nearly alone attacks Bob as soon as he posts >> >>Objectively speaking that doing work for the other side. >> >>Subejctively speaking maybe she thinks she's doing a good thing for the >>college, but that would in fact be a deluded position >> >> >>"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt >>about >>that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves >>the >>stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the >>prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We >>carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." >>----Durruti >> >> >> >> >> >> >From: Freda B Birnbaum >> >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >> >To: Alumni Chat List >> >CC: Freda B Birnbaum >> >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] >> >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:08 -0400 (EDT) >> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >> >bay0-mc9-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, >>3 >> >Jul 2007 08:21:13 -0700 >> >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >> >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AA21F605C542;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:44 -0400 >>(EDT) >> >Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu (serrano.cc.columbia.edu >> >[128.59.29.6])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B395605C521for >> >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:33:43 -0400 (EDT) >> >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (mango.cc.columbia.edu >> >[128.59.29.52])by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id >> >l63FLAsJ021760;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >> >Received: from mango.cc.columbia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by >> >mango.cc.columbia.edu (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l63FLAF3024427; Tue, >>3 >> >Jul 2007 11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >> >Received: from localhost (fbb6@localhost)by mango.cc.columbia.edu >> >(8.13.7/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP idl63FL8EI024408; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >> >11:21:10 -0400 (EDT) >> >X-Message-Info: >> >txF49lGdW42UI/tkdcwrUZGagcQolgAAH+KgEkVjpsUwDtwwsFk/gHHswiMiGMsQ >> >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> >X-Authentication-Warning: mango.cc.columbia.edu: fbb6 owned process >>doing >> >-bs >> >References: >> >X-No-Spam-Score: Local >> >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 128.59.29.6 >> >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >> >Precedence: list >> >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >> >List-Unsubscribe: >> >,>alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=unsubscribe> >> >List-Archive: >> >List-Post: >> >List-Help: >> >List-Subscribe: >> >,>alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu?subject=subscribe> >> >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 15:21:13.0759 (UTC) >> >FILETIME=[CB028AF0:01C7BD85] >> > >> >On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Gerry Bello wrote: >> > >> >>>I'm not sure I see what your problem is. >> >>> >> >>>Skooter >> >> >> >> >> >>Skooter, >> >> >> >>Her problem is that she is clearly in Toni Murdocks pocket and is a >>shill >> >>for the university. >> > >> >Huh? I admit that I have only been skimming since the volume got too >>high >> >to read everything right away, but if you are referring to anything >> >Sistersara has said recently, I don't see how that possibly computes. >>She's >> >been one of the most clearheaded and thoughtful and POI (persons of >> >integrity) posters here. >> > >> >Freda Bluestone Birnbaum '65 >> >"Call on God, but row away from the rocks" >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one >>place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 11:54:56 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:07:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] more than half way to the first million In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Curious Callie and friends. I guess some Antiochians may have to think twice...about where their hearts and wallets are.... and then well, free will for everyone........according to your conscience and heart... We all know that there is a Revival Fund which is a separate entity. But alas...I am hearing from both Risa and Steve Lawry that there will be some sort of Annual Fund Drive this year....the fund which is the multi purpose one. 1.) Restricted things like scholarships and faculty development...library support yada yada 2,) unrestricted college's greatest needs like the electric bill...unglamrous but critical smaller annual fund equals faster bloodpaths.....hardly a win-win scenario As a loyal but poor elder I will probably give a day's pay to each...and also a day's pay to the "church".. hey....I know this problem also needs supernatural help. I have been saying my prayers for the collective "we" hope to make all my car payments and bills ah the non-profit life. Duffy '77 From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 12:05:26 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:18:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's important to note that the 18,000 or so alumni of the other campuses - since their inception - have not given a fraction of what College alumni donate in any given year. That's a pretty powerful position. Callie On 7/3/07, Matthew Arnold wrote: > > I don't think it's necessarily in the interest of the College to alienate > the University students and alumni, who seem to identify with the Antioch > College brand and values far more than their University administrators. But > yes, the brand is worth a lot, and yes, even if nobody says a word about > University of Phoenix, over time, the Antioch brand will crumble without the > College, taking the University's fortunes with it. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Michael Olenick > To: Alumni Chat List > Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:57:48 AM > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds > > Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the > satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others > have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for > what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. > > Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, > worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird > thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value > -- > what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, > a > Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically > worth > little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies > (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, > and > the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). > > We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the > rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to > the > U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. > > M. > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 3 12:33:42 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:46:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Shill? [was: re: Veterans at Antioch?] Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:49:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jonahliebert@gmail.com writes: Gerry, your analytic skills are mighty impressive. DId you learn them at Antioch College? I wish I had chosen your major. It seems prudent to learn from Sistersara whose knowledge of Antioch's history and current situation is impressive and has taught me much already. That doesn't mean you have to agree with her, but at least you might actually learn something. Further, the day you actually come up with a plan as clear as Sistersara's proposal is the day you would actually have a legitimate chance to critique her contributions to this forum. Jonah Jonah, what has interested me is that the only thing in my draft to which anyone has really responded is that I assumed the University would be successful in shutting down the College -- and that was before we read of terminations and all. I guess assuming the visible is true is the poison. It would be interesting if someone got beyond that first assumption before I made point 1). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu Tue Jul 3 12:36:35 2007 From: Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu (Christopher Adams) Date: Tue Jul 3 12:49:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: <8bc7c4ff1e0c8ddb0c40adc842ad4b1b@comcast.net> References: <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> <468A5383.9090503@bwsys.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070703115923.00bed0f0@imap.jefferson.edu> > I don't really believe that any of the administrators or trustees in > this case have anything but the best interests of the institution at > heart. I believed Steven Lawry when he made a number of complimentary > remarks about Dr. Murdoch at the reunion meeting that I listened to on > WYSO. I suspect considerable talent is required to reach the position of > chancellor. However, the problem with Dr. Murdoch's statements and > actions, as well as those of the board, is that it appears they are > trying to build an institution in their own image. This includes > non-tenured faculty and no community governance, and, I suspect, in their > mind, there are good reasons for that. There are two flaws with the plan. First, it won't work, as the past has shown. As has been evidenced by numerous posts to this list in the past weeks, similar actions by Dixon, Birenbaum and Guskin put the college where it is now and once those individuals disappeared, the model changed. Murdoch may be capable of creating a truly fine extended university with associated liberal arts college that we would all be proud of. However, with her retirement or relocation, either another strong leader will need to step in with their own vision, or it will degenerate back to a crisis situation. And the problem with building an instituion on an individual is that you are at the mercy of that individual. Again no slight to Dr. Murdoch, but what is the vision of her replacement, or her replacements replacement. We all despair at the impossibility reaching consensus, especially among Antioch students and alumni ("herding cats"), but that impossibility does provide admirable protection. Second, and far more importantly, it is a failure of stewardship. While Toni Murdoch may be a very intelligent person with innovative ideas for the education of students of the future, the reality is that her job, and that of the BoT, has been the stewardship of the institution. Closing the college that has stood for 150 years is an admission of failure. As Matt so eloquently stated the other day, it is the temporal connection that we all have to the people who worked there that made a difference for us. Severing that connection, even with good intentions, without making every effort to save the continuity is an unforgivable failure. I think this statement from Murdoch is beginning to acknowledge this, as does the statement that the college may be kept open if sufficient funding can be donated. However, if she and the ULC misread the effect of closing the college on the associated university campuses, and, if, clearly, they have misread the ability of the alumni to raise funds, what else have they misread? Again, a monumental failure of stewardship. C Adams '87 Christopher S. Adams, Ph.D Department of Orthopaedic Surgery Room 501 1015 Walnut St. Philadelphia, PA 19107 Phone: 1-215-955-8754 Fax: 1-215-955-9159 From karenkotiw at yahoo.com Tue Jul 3 12:57:04 2007 From: karenkotiw at yahoo.com (Karen Kotiw) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:09:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] keller article on Library/closure in Tribune In-Reply-To: <20070703151252.58085605C255@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <156950.95254.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Ms. Keller, Your story was touching and beautiful, and as an Antioch alum, I am happy for the attention to the plight of the College and its assets. A key story that may be of interest is that a number of alumni (including myself) are committed to the continued operations of the College and have raised approximately half a million dollars in this effort, in just a matter of just over a week. Alumni are organizing throughout the country and there is a chapter in Chicago. I am concerned by the finality of closing in the tone of your article. Thank you for your attention to our College, Karen J Kotiw '97 alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu You can reach the person managing the list at alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Fwd(2): fyi (Steven Duffy) 2. Re: Veterans at Antioch? (Sistersara@aol.com) 3. Re: re: Veterans at Antioch? (Sistersara@aol.com) 4. Re: re: Veterans at Antioch? (Gerry Bello) 5. Re: the Chancellor responds (Ann Frye) 6. Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? (Steven Duffy) 7. RE: the Chancellor responds (Michael Olenick) 8. Re: Outline sketch of a plan (dl bahr) 9. Re: international students (Christian Skotte) 10. Re: the Chancellor responds (Matthew Arnold) 11. Re: the Chancellor responds (Michael I.Vickers) 12. Re: the Chancellor responds (Callie Cary) 13. international students (alanbenard@pobox.com) 14. Re: international students (Patrick Cates) 15. re: Veterans at Antioch? (thanos) 16. Re: Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? (Callie Cary) 17. Re: Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? (Bwpurplewins@cs.com) 18. RE: the Chancellor responds (Michael Olenick) 19. Re: re: Veterans at Antioch? (Sistersara@aol.com) 20. RE: the Chancellor responds (Gerry Bello) From: "Steven Duffy" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd(2): fyi ----- Original Message ----- Monday, July 02, 2007 11:54:11 PM Message From: chill@donet.com Subject: Fwd: fyi To: jgregorek@antioch-college.edu Cc: atbohlen@gmail.com brnspring@yahoo.com cashdevine@gmail.com timothynoble@gmail.com johnston@thepeopleschannel.org Steven Duffy this is a beautiful tribute to Antioch via Joe Cali by Vick. Chris ----- Forwarded message from vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com ----- Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:49:58 +0000 From: vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com Reply-To: vickmickunas@vickmickunas.com Subject: fyi To: chill@donet.com http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/booknook/entries/2007/07/01/the_death_of_a_library.html --------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From: Sistersara@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:40:04 EDT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Veterans at Antioch? In a message dated 7/3/2007 5:34:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gabe@ideadesign-dc.com writes: I've asked a friend who's a senior partner in a NY/DC law firm if his firm will consider taking on Antioch's revival/renewal as a pro bono matter. Gabe Heilig Thanks for posting. If you can find a good pro-bono lawyer for the cause, you will be a total blessing. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From: Sistersara@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:51:36 EDT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:26:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thanos@post.com writes: Antioch had quite a reputation for a long time in lefty European circles. It still has a vague resonance as one of 'our' kinds of islands in a sea of ignorant, bloody Yanks. Just Bard mows the grass more often and has wifi. Among other things, My AEA adventure involved studying at a Folk Hojskole run by the Social Democratic Party and the Labor Unions. I have stayed in touch over these many years with my friends from school and many of my teachers. I always pushed hard for their exchange students going to Antioch, but about 15+ years ago I checked out the question -- could a student get a course of study in American Literature and American History that would introduce to the literature of class and all in the 19th and early 20th century, and on asking, I found out that they could not do it as a class -- just as a readings independent study. To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch was not then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From: "Gerry Bello" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Funny revisionism Because I took just such a listed course from Ralph Luker in the spring of 1992. thats 15 years ago right? Perhaps you should have read the course listing again "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:51:36 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc1-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 05:51:47 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id AF909605BD0C;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:04:17 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB8605BCEAfor >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:04:14 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from Sistersara@aol.comby imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) >id w.ca6.12e733c9 (32913)for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42ZWd3ugc99BWGIzMcj01meka7+bP38geKJo2GWVC6W5s7JSzHJl/VJ >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 12:51:47.0511 (UTC) >FILETIME=[EAB5AC70:01C7BD70] > > >In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:26:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >thanos@post.com writes: > >Antioch had quite a reputation for a long time in lefty European circles. >It still has a vague resonance as one of 'our' kinds of islands in a sea >of >ignorant, bloody Yanks. Just Bard mows the grass more often and has wifi. > > > >Among other things, My AEA adventure involved studying at a Folk Hojskole >run by the Social Democratic Party and the Labor Unions. I have stayed in >touch over these many years with my friends from school and many of my >teachers. >I always pushed hard for their exchange students going to Antioch, but >about >15+ years ago I checked out the question -- could a student get a course >of >study in American Literature and American History that would introduce to >the >literature of class and all in the 19th and early 20th century, and on >asking, I found out that they could not do it as a class -- just as a >readings >independent study. To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large >University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch >was not >then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From: Ann Frye To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:47:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Dr. Murdoch's explanation is literate and polite. Unfortunately it does NOT address the question as to why the college had to be destroyed. Ann Frye '56-'61 From: "Steven Duffy" CC: To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, fredera@juniata.edu, cjordan@achieveminneapolis.org, teubanks@austinvoices.org, wilburn22701@earthlink.net, inafrank@adelphia.net, ncrow@penberg.com Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:48:53 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? ----- Original Message ----- Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:46:27 AM Urgent Message From: doswald@antioch-college.edu Subject: Where do the books go when a college closes? To: Steven Duffy This story was sent to you by: Debra Oswald -------------------- Where do the books go when a college closes? -------------------- By Julia Keller Tribune cultural critic July 1, 2007 So it'll go. The little college with the big history will disappear, at least on paper -- the buildings will hang around, you assume, since we're not exactly talking midtown Manhattan here, and condos aren't much of a possibility -- and the world will lose a little more of its magic. But it can't be helped. Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is tens of millions of dollars in debt, enrollment is sagging, and that's that. The school's Board of Trustees announced last month that after a century and a half of educating the young and the restless, the school -- the alma mater of distinctive writers such as Rod Serling, Lawrence Block, Herb Gardner and Mark Strand -- will close permanently a year from now. Still undetermined, though, is the fate of the Olive Kettering Library. The stolid-looking brick building on the serene campus in west-central Ohio houses some 325,000 books. Yet its irreplaceable heritage is its special collections, including the papers of Horace Mann, Antioch's first president, and those of Arthur Morgan, who ran the school in the 1920s and pioneered the idea of co-op education: Antioch students spend several semesters off campus, working in their chosen fields. "We are told that the library will be maintained. What that means, I'm not sure," said a worried-sounding Nina Myatt in an interview last week at the library. "There are lots of raggedy edges that either haven't been thought through, or that we haven't been told about." Myatt, Antioch class of '53, is the curator of Antioch's special collections. She's only the third person to hold that job since 1900. She loves what she does, and until the trustees dropped their bombshell last month, she had no plans to retire. "I've taken care of all of this for so long," she said with a wistful sigh, nodding toward the tall bookshelves. Antioch College is part of the five-location Antioch University system. The other locations, at which are operated non-residential degree programs, will stay in business. Because the library theoretically serves all locations, administrators have said it will keep the lights on -- but no guarantees on longevity. Myatt and her colleagues remain uneasy. Yet in an online world in which so much of the world's knowledge now is available with the brief sweep of a mouse, who needs bricks and mortar? Who needs physical archives? Well, anybody with a romantic soul, for one thing. To engage with a letter or document on a computer screen is quite different from engaging with the real thing, from being in the presence of the tangible literary artifact. Basic data can be endlessly and harmlessly manipulated, shifted from book to screen to CD-ROM. The portal from which you access most information? Irrelevant. But when you peer at the actual piece of paper bearing the signature of the person whose mind and heart created it, you feel as if you're part of a great invisible chain of thought and feeling; you're not just a reader, but almost a collaborator. Moreover, once historical documents are lost, or damaged through neglect, they're gone. You can't call the Help Desk and get a tech to come over and show you how to right-click your way out of catastrophe. Thus as Antioch limps toward extinction, perhaps another institution will step up and take over the archives, and perhaps Antioch's administrators will agree to let the precious material find another home. It's our history. History is made every day, of course, but never the same history twice. "It makes a great lump come into my throat, to think of all of this being mothballed," Myatt said. "It's just very sad." And perhaps tragically short-sighted as well. ---------- jikeller@tribune.com Copyright (c) 2007, Chicago Tribune From: "Michael Olenick" To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value -- what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, a Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically worth little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, and the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to the U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. M. From: "dl bahr" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:00:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan Dawn: I have been following SisterSara's postings quite closely. Her "sketch" has a clear direction a plan might take. I believe she has proposed quite a bit that could be useful. However there has to be some clear desire from enough to begin moving forward. Her outline of creating a Foundation which will allow the Alumni to have real leverage with the BoT and to perhaps channel fund raising into something with clearer vision, accountability, etc does more to focus the debate than anything I have read. What are you planning? I suppose we could all go chain ourselves to the trees and doors of Main Building and OK Library--but I am not sure that would get us very far for very long. I grew up in Kent, OH. My father was a professor and a Peace Marshall on campus during the protests leading up to when the students were shot in 1970--years later in the late 1970's there were plans to develop a gym on the site where the shootings took place--it pretty much altered the landscape to the point it would be very difficult to imagine the events and the distance the students actually were from the National Guard when the shots were fired. When this gym was proposed, many in the community were outraged including me, 15 yrs old, and frustrated with the lies and lack of accountability by this proposal. There was a tent city built on the site where people lived for close to a year--some even brought their children to live in the tents. There were court battles. People chained themselves to fences to keep the gym from being built. I remember one mass rally where people from all over--including Antioch--came to protest. Joan Baez even showed up to sing a few folk songs. For awhile it looked like it might do some good--but eventually the gym was built and the landscape permanently altered. I tell this story not to put down direct action which can create change, but to show that it does not necessarily lead to results of the intended goal--perhaps if there had been engagement or some other leverage protesters might have had to counter the gym proposal-- perhaps it never would have been built. As a follow-up--in 2000 I was home visiting my mother in Kent during the 30th anniversary and I was encouraged by the outpouring within the KSU community by those who organized this event, using it as a touchstone for "Experiencing Democracy" There was also the return of Allison Krause's boyfriend--who held her as she died. Alison was the young woman who had put flowers in the barrels of the guns of the guardsmen the day before those same guns shot her. Her boyfriend, had never returned to campus before this event. He read a very moving poem by Bob Dylan called "Who Killed Allison" I felt very honored to be present for that return and the legacy which was being carried--despite the gym's presence. I am sure there were some Antioch students in that crowd who may also remember. Remembrance and Legacy do count for something, even when the immediate battle may not be a victory for humanity. Our fear at the time of the gym protest was that the administration was trying to cover-up the history of the events. What 2000 showed me was that a place whose historic presence, whose legacy matters, cannot be destroyed--that it will continue--if we care enough to remember, record, reflect, and create a vision to sustain it. No gymnasium could ever cover up the memory of that sacred ground. Currently I am beginning to make contacts with people I know where I live who have created successful Foundations to see how difficult it would be to develop one. The former president of the hospital where I work has enthusiastically responded with 3 contacts and a willingness to meet with me personally. The contacts she named involved a woman involved in academic foundation work, one involved in regional foundation development, and one in health care who has hit the ground running--she feels he has much knowledge beyond the foundation work he is doing in her current health care organization and would have resources for how to do this. I am also reaching out to our friends and neighbors at White Earth Indian Reservation--close to where my husband and I farm in Minnesota. I am hoping Winona LaDuke might respond with some suggestions for reviving a sustainable Antioch. Her total focus is on community organizing and building sustainabillity. I suggest some others in our alumni community might do some leg work as well. I am sure there is more than a wellspring of experience that could be channeled to get this job done. It might not be so difficult to develop a foundation to channel alumni energy--that might be more impressive than the current Revival Fund that lists a US Bank account. There are many who will not contribute a dime to keep the place running until there is a clearer plan that firewalls money from the University System--this is also how we develop leverage so that perhaps we could actually find a means to invest in the future or take the Alumni challenge to a larger donor base. I have heard one legal mind say simply, "We need to buy back or find someone who will buy back the College from the University." Sister Sara speaks more of leverage for the alumni to develop the future not just leaving it in the hands of hired developers or Toni's sweeping gesture of a plan without considerable input from those of us who care about the place. Let us not even mention the lives of those who there on the ground facing huge changes and challenges. How do we as an alumni group create a body that has some independent leverage--not just becoming a means to fund raise what was the figure given by BoT/Toni 10-20 million $. What do we do hand it over to the BoT who has behaved as it has, thus far--I am not convinced this is the way to go. I am not convinced that this will save the College. Please show me another solution--I would like to hear them. If anyone has some ideas and would like to follow-up on them. Perhaps we could get an ad-hoc committee going to explore the possibility for developing a foundation. Please let me know. It may take some time, but perhaps not as long as it appears. We need to draw on a large pool of minds and wealth if alumni are truly going to make a difference here. We need to have our wits about us and a grasp of the history of Antioch--across the generations. If others have a different plan or vision please feel free to chime in. I am trying to get a clearer picture of the AIF campaign led by Katy Jako . If anyone has the actually wording of Katy's proposal and the list of Antioch grads who pledged and the notes of the BoT refusal to meet I would certainly appreciate. I am having trouble finding them if they are the heap of these postings. Has Katy made any postings anywhere that others might have access. I would appreciate this information. Also what was JD Dawson's last book titled which was published before he died? Does anyone have a copy or how easy it would be to attain? Did anyone work on that fund raising campaign. Does anyone have perspective on what were the strengths and failures of these efforts? Respectfully, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr >From: Dawn Scribner >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:56:25 -0700 > >"That my friend is not >how you successfully build institutions." >------------------------------------------- >Perhaps you should put your considerable energy, experience and opinions >into a plan and present it. Dissent is fine, even laudable and certainly >Antiochian but, all we keep hearing is what is wrong with what everyone >else >is suggesting. > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From: "Christian Skotte" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:05:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] international students Actually, because co-op is an educational requirement, students on an F-1 visa can (and indeed must) work while studying at Antioch. That aspect isn't a problem at all. Skooter On 7/3/07, Patrick Cates wrote: > > > > 2. Related to that but with special implications for > Antioch, you can't work on a student visa. That is > hard to square with the co-op program. Not impossible, > but a considerable obstacle. > > From: Matthew Arnold To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds I don't think it's necessarily in the interest of the College to alienate the University students and alumni, who seem to identify with the Antioch College brand and values far more than their University administrators. But yes, the brand is worth a lot, and yes, even if nobody says a word about University of Phoenix, over time, the Antioch brand will crumble without the College, taking the University's fortunes with it. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Olenick To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:57:48 AM Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value -- what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, a Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically worth little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, and the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to the U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. M. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From: Michael I.Vickers To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:07:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds The decision-making process was closed and hierarchical with no reaching out to the greater AC community for more help/participation and to determine if other possible solutions might be out there in the AC gene-pool. This narrow focus ignores the basics of Antioch values. "Self governance" and "participation" are not only values, they also are powerful problem solving tools. Dr. M. needs a few years at Antioch herself. "Saying" she values the College, does not make it if she doesn't know how to function within it's values. MV '69 On Jul 3, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Ann Frye wrote: > Dr. Murdoch's explanation is literate and polite. Unfortunately it > does NOT address the question as to why the college had to be > destroyed. > > Ann Frye '56-'61 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From: "Callie Cary" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:10:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds I disagree. I do not believe the strategy to save the college should be to disparage the other campuses. There are some amazing people and programs throughout the system and while I'm sure some are better than others it seems to me pathetic and, frankly desperate, to tear them down in order to raise up the College's position. I agree about the brand and the clear concern that with the College closing, it will certainly impact the overall identity of the University. It seems to me we need to help the media understand the power of the brand. Wouldn't it be an interesting story if alumni showed up at college fairs and high schools to recruit students in spite of the announcement? Callie On 7/3/07, Michael Olenick wrote: > > Toni didn't realize how much the College's reputation was propping up the > satellite schools. I'm guessing students, faculty, colleagues, and others > have been, uh, clarifying the situation. Her essay is damage control for > what I'm guessing is a self-induced brand meltdown. > > Funny, I hadn't thought of it this way but Antioch College is, I'm sure, > worth far more than $1MM in brand-subsidy alone. Brand value is a weird > thing: for those who haven't studied it think of the difference in value > -- > what people are willing to pay -- for a pair of jeans vs a pair of Levi's, > a > Lexus vs a Hyundai, a Rolex vs a Timex. Many companies are basically > worth > little more than their brand value, even though they're giant companies > (Coca-Cola for example: the bottling plants aren't worth all that much, > and > the sugar water even less; it's all in the brand names). > > We should do all we can to exploit this meltdown, screaming from the > rooftops that those satellites aren't real "Antioch" -- compare them to > the > U of Phoenix -- and that they killed the "real" Antioch. > > M. > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From: alanbenard@comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:13:40 +0000 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students > Patrick Cates wrote: > 2. Related to that but with special implications for >Antioch, you can't work on a student visa. That is >hard to square with the co-op program. Not impossible,. >but a considerable obstacle. International students can be employed on the property of the institution which granted the I-20. They could work on-campus co-ops and at the other Antioch centers.. International Students can also participate in curricular practical training -- an internship which yields upper-division credit -- and pre-completion Optional Practical Training -- work related to one's field of study off campus for up to one year. OPT can also be done "post completion" -- giving the student four quarters of "hanging co-ops." I also agree about the other issues related to international ed. It is rewarding for everyone and a worthy enterprise, but not a magic bullet. Alan Benard, '92 From: Patrick Cates To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] international students My impression is that they can work as long as they don't get paid, but I could be wrong. As I said, not impossible, but an obstacle. Patrick --- Christian Skotte wrote: > Actually, because co-op is an educational > requirement, students on an F-1 > visa can (and indeed must) work while studying at > Antioch. That aspect isn't > a problem at all. > > Skooter > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From: thanos To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:09:27 -0500 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? >> To be honest, I had to advise that virtually any large University would have such courses, but for reasons of staffing Antioch was not then offering such. Sadly I prefer Honesty to false promises. SisterSara, no one is suggesting we promise something that Antioch does not, or will not, have. As far as I can tell, this discussion forum has become more or less a brainstorm for reinvigorating the college You seem to believe closing it for 4 years is the best way to do this, I think the changes can and should happen while the college is open, but we both believe Antioch's mission is worth something. Attracting international students is one good way of increasing revenue, and I think it also fits perfectly with ideals of cross-cultural understanding which are probably more vital now than ever in our history. As I've emphasized before, the number of professors at the college should be doubled, and while we're at it let's triple the budget of the Admissions Office. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From: "Callie Cary" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:24:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? I wonder what will become of Herb Gardner's collection? So many stewardship questions. Dear Nina, you have been such an important piece of this institution! Callie On 7/3/07, Steven Duffy wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:46:27 AM > Urgent Message > From: doswald@antioch-college.edu > Subject: Where do the books go when a college closes? > To: Steven Duffy > > This story was sent to you by: Debra Oswald > > -------------------- > Where do the books go when a college closes? > -------------------- > > By Julia Keller > Tribune cultural critic > > July 1, 2007 > > So it'll go. The little college with the big history will disappear, at > least on paper -- the buildings will hang around, you assume, since we're > not exactly talking midtown Manhattan here, and condos aren't much of a > possibility -- and the world will lose a little more of its magic. But it > can't be helped. Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is tens of > millions of dollars in debt, enrollment is sagging, and that's that. The > school's Board of Trustees announced last month that after a century and a > half of educating the young and the restless, the school -- the alma mater > of distinctive writers such as Rod Serling, Lawrence Block, Herb Gardner > and Mark Strand -- will close permanently a year from now. > > Still undetermined, though, is the fate of the Olive Kettering Library. > The stolid-looking brick building on the serene campus in west-central > Ohio houses some 325,000 books. Yet its irreplaceable heritage is its > special collections, including the papers of Horace Mann, Antioch's first > president, and those of Arthur Morgan, who ran the school in the 1920s and > pioneered the idea of co-op education: Antioch students spend several > semesters off campus, working in their chosen fields. > > "We are told that the library will be maintained. What that means, I'm not > sure," said a worried-sounding Nina Myatt in an interview last week at the > library. "There are lots of raggedy edges that either haven't been thought > through, or that we haven't been told about." > > Myatt, Antioch class of '53, is the curator of Antioch's special > collections. She's only the third person to hold that job since 1900. She > loves what she does, and until the trustees dropped their bombshell last > month, she had no plans to retire. "I've taken care of all of this for so > long," she said with a wistful sigh, nodding toward the tall bookshelves. > > Antioch College is part of the five-location Antioch University system. > The other locations, at which are operated non-residential degree > programs, will stay in business. Because the library theoretically serves > all locations, administrators have said it will keep the lights on -- but > no guarantees on longevity. Myatt and her colleagues remain uneasy. > > Yet in an online world in which so much of the world's knowledge now is > available with the brief sweep of a mouse, who needs bricks and mortar? > Who needs physical archives? > > Well, anybody with a romantic soul, for one thing. > > To engage with a letter or document on a computer screen is quite > different from engaging with the real thing, from being in the presence of > the tangible literary artifact. Basic data can be endlessly and harmlessly > manipulated, shifted from book to screen to CD-ROM. The portal from which > you access most information? Irrelevant. But when you peer at the actual > piece of paper bearing the signature of the person whose mind and heart > created it, you feel as if you're part of a great invisible chain of > thought and feeling; you're not just a reader, but almost a collaborator. > > Moreover, once historical documents are lost, or damaged through neglect, > they're gone. You can't call the Help Desk and get a tech to come over and > show you how to right-click your way out of catastrophe. > > Thus as Antioch limps toward extinction, perhaps another institution will > step up and take over the archives, and perhaps Antioch's administrators > will agree to let the precious material find another home. It's our > history. History is made every day, of course, but never the same history > twice. > > "It makes a great lump come into my throat, to think of all of this being > mothballed," Myatt said. "It's just very sad." > > And perhaps tragically short-sighted as well. > > ---------- > > jikeller@tribune.com > Copyright (c) 2007, Chicago Tribune > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From: Bwpurplewins@cs.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:40:53 EDT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Where do the books go when a college closes? When I sold my house, I gave about 100 boxes of books. Laura Kopp (07) helped me pack them. Joe Cali put a book plate in each one. Barbara Winslow School of Education Brooklyn College/CUNY bwinslow@brooklyn.cuny.edu http://schooled.brooklyn.cuny.edu/winslow.html 718-951-4807 FAX: 718-9514816 From: "Michael Olenick" To: "'Alumni Chat List'" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:42:40 -0400 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds Getting us to shut-up when making comparisons is a great incentive for Toni to start speaking with us. It's a stick that's extremely effective, unique to the Alumni, something the University has no control over, and costs little or nothing to use. I'm not trying to garner the good-will of the University students: I'm not setting out to alienate them but if that happens it's ok. After all, I haven't exactly heard them clamoring to support us in great numbers. The University has breached their fiduciary obligation to us to keep the reputation of Antioch up. We paid them in time and money for our diplomas: they answered us that they're reneging on their half of the bargain to pursue a condo development deal. I don't know why we wouldn't use what looks to be a great bargaining chip as aggressively as possible. M. From: Sistersara@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:58:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:18:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thanos@post.com writes: Attracting international students is one good way of increasing revenue, and I think it also fits perfectly with ideals of cross-cultural understanding which are probably more vital now than ever in our history. As I've emphasized before, the number of professors at the college should be doubled, and while we're at it let's triple the budget of the Admissions Office. Making a recommendation to someone not in a position to assess the situation personally is a matter of personally vouching using your own reputation for honesty. And while I agree an international student body might be good, I am quite unwilling to vouch when my personal observation is that what is promised is not really available. This includes not only international students who may only spend a year at Antioch, but it also includes American Students. When you ask, for instance, about the status of language professors -- are they tenured or on long term contracts, and no one can give you a clear direct answer, well what do you say to a student who wants a minor in a language listed in the catalogue, AEA where it is spoken, but in addition a concentration in the literature and history. Well sadly, you tell the truth. Many here seem to have forgotten that in addition to Antioch Values, education is a huge investment, and these days, that is how it is assessed. In the early 1990's I had the opportunity to be in on an interesting program that the German Government totally paid for -- the re-education of former E. German teachers of American Studies. What this involved was taking existing courses apart, figuring out what had been missing in the way the former E. German Universities taught American Studies, and pitching it to the German Government given their interest -- namely bringing differently prepared E. German Teachers up to the point that they could compete easily with W. Germans in American Studies. Ultimately it was about jobs in German Universities and other advanced schools, and whether former E. German teachers would have a clean shot at those jobs. That, my friends is an aspect of the marketplace today. International students, particularly those subsidized, have quite particular courses of study they are interested in buying. Large Universities can answer their needs, particularly because they can easily adjust offerings, or even invent segments of ten classes already listed as one class on demand. There is no way Antioch can compete in this marketplace. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From: "Gerry Bello" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:00:11 -0400 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds I think we can do both. I think the university students are getting a watered-down warmed over version of an Antioch education. I think pressing Toni now on all fronts is good. She is clearly on the defensive. My roomate studies 7-Star Praying Mantis GongFu. He fights like and angry bug. 7-Star Praying Mantis has 12 principles linked in 6 sets of 2. The 4th set is called Jim-Lam and means roughly "pressing or sticking" - "Contact" (sorry I dont speak or translate Mandarin). What this means in terms of fighting like and mantis and application of principles is that when the your enemy is on the defensive or slackens their attack you stick to them and press the contact. It's a principle of relentless overrun from the outside (Mantis stylists attack from the front to side flanks in a circular fashion) and the speed application of technique after technique never giving your enemy pause to recover. Since the DDN article and now this It's clear that she has slackened her attack. We are on the outside, we must press in from the sides and batter her position. Sorry for the out of culture metaphor but it applies. Someone should respond to her article there and in other places. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Michael Olenick" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "'Alumni Chat List'" >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:42:40 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc4-f9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 07:42:44 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E1207605C1A3;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:55:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net >[216.148.227.152])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6B3605C184for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:55:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from michaelo >(c-66-229-157-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[66.229.157.103])by comcast.net >(rwcrmhc12) with SMTPid <20070703144241m12004pr2re>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >14:42:41 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW40x0fN8G1lW5Rbq+sHyMu2WJKIju8BeqvI77/tWudrelC+7MA807j+C >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: <801325.15445.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >Thread-Index: Ace9e4Q0hoM9pLzkRD27KdJ9RHzCUQABAQZA >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 14:42:44.0914 (UTC) >FILETIME=[6AD4C120:01C7BD80] > >Getting us to shut-up when making comparisons is a great incentive for Toni >to start speaking with us. It's a stick that's extremely effective, unique >to the Alumni, something the University has no control over, and costs >little or nothing to use. I'm not trying to garner the good-will of the >University students: I'm not setting out to alienate them but if that >happens it's ok. After all, I haven't exactly heard them clamoring to >support us in great numbers. > >The University has breached their fiduciary obligation to us to keep the >reputation of Antioch up. We paid them in time and money for our diplomas: >they answered us that they're reneging on their half of the bargain to >pursue a condo development deal. I don't know why we wouldn't use what >looks to be a great bargaining chip as aggressively as possible. > >M. > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. From afrye at bwsys.net Tue Jul 3 13:24:35 2007 From: afrye at bwsys.net (Ann Frye) Date: Tue Jul 3 13:37:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Curious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468A8653.1010106@bwsys.net> > Has it struck anyone else as odd that the entire alumni body has not yet > received any written notification from the University announceing the > College's imending closing and The Renewal Plan-Part Duex ? Actually, the alumni records are far from up to date. My father (BA 1934, will be 97 in September, and a regular donor) says he hasn't heard from Antioch in years. He asked that I update their records, and I said I would, once I find the who/where of it. I would think that the university might like to get their spin on the closing to the less in touch alumni. Ann Frye From aadole at adelphia.net Tue Jul 3 16:58:46 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:15:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] international students In-Reply-To: <674838.16801.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In my 10 years off and on at Antioch, I recall wonderful students from Greece, Italy, China, and the Philippines. Marj says she took three courses in German from Frau Broude (originally from Austria). Anybody remember anything about her? Art Dole '46 From aadole at adelphia.net Tue Jul 3 17:12:57 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:29:48 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, Callie. And the alleged success of the branch campuses is no excuse for imposing the Learning communities plan on AC and when new plan resulted in a drop in enrollment, firing most of the faculty and staff, damaging the village of Yellow Springs, etc. without any consultation. Does someone have time to check the income minus outgo of AU in 2006? Now that the campuses are flourishing, how does the Chancellor justify combining them in a diverse university system? Art Dole '46 On 7/3/07 4:41 AM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > Me thinks she doth protest too much. > > Callie > > On 7/3/07, Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: >> >> >> Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds >> >> By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, in many >> venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, >> writing that has included for the most part only tangential references to the >> Antioch University campuses outside Yellow Springs. Such references have been >> not >> only brief but at times open to misconception at best. It is time to provide >> a >> closer look at these other campuses of Antioch University. Over the years, >> Antioch College birthed a number of campuses to constitute a university now >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > From dawn at mediawonk.com Tue Jul 3 14:32:57 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Tue Jul 3 14:45:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What are you planning? > > I suppose we could all go chain ourselves to the trees and doors of Main > Building and OK Library--but I am not sure that would get us very far for > very long. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What am I doing? As I've posted several times, there is a small group of alums, myself included, working on getting national exposure for our situation. We'd love help from alums experienced in PR, TV or journalism. Please email me off line (dawn@mediawonk.com) if you'd like to participate in a phone conference this Friday. And btw: I would not be opposed to chaining myself to a tree-while reading a Bob Dylan Poem...in drag even, if Anderson Cooper would cover it. From ccary60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 15:04:54 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Tue Jul 3 15:17:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No argument from me on that point. The DDN reported the following: Antioch University Total -(in millions) 2000-01 Expenses $57.2 $ Revenue $56.3 (-$0.9) 2001-02 Expenses $59.3 & Revenue $68.6 (+$9.3) 2002-03 Expenses $62 & Revenue $61.3 (-$0.7) 2003-04 Expenses $68.7 & Revenue $67.7 (-$1.0) 2004-05 Expenses $71.6 & Revenue $76.4 (+$4.8) 2005-06 Expenses = $76.8 & Revenue = $78 (+ $1.2) Callie On 7/3/07, Art Dole wrote: > > Yes, Callie. And the alleged success of the branch campuses is no excuse > for > imposing the Learning communities plan on AC and when new plan resulted in > a > drop in enrollment, firing most of the faculty and staff, damaging the > village of Yellow Springs, etc. without any consultation. > > Does someone have time to check the income minus outgo of AU in 2006? > > Now that the campuses are flourishing, how does the Chancellor justify > combining them in a diverse university system? > > Art Dole '46 > > > > > > On 7/3/07 4:41 AM, "Callie Cary" wrote: > > > > > > > > Me thinks she doth protest too much. > > > > Callie > > > > On 7/3/07, Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds > >> > >> By Toni Murdock Over the past few weeks there has been much writing, > in many > >> venues, about Antioch College and its suspension of operations in 2008, > > >> writing that has included for the most part only tangential references > to the > >> Antioch University campuses outside Yellow Springs. Such references > have been > >> not > >> only brief but at times open to misconception at best. It is time to > provide > >> a > >> closer look at these other campuses of Antioch University. Over the > years, > >> Antioch College birthed a number of campuses to constitute a university > now > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Tue Jul 3 15:35:24 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Tue Jul 3 15:47:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: [SaveAntioch] My LA Times response to the June 30th article Message-ID: <0B553E76651A4E59A1A2EE47DD3E6C64@Stephanie> > OK - not to be snitty, but I think Michael's point was that neither of > those deaths would be a justification for putting in place new family > rules like the ones described, so they probably should not be used as > support here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry Bello" > To: ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] My LA Times response to the June 30th article > > >> My how snitty we are this afternoon boss man >> >> One death was in a car crash the other from a sudden brain aneurism.(sp) >> >> >> >> >> >> "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt >> about >> that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves >> the >> stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the >> prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We >> carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this >> minute." >> ----Durruti >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Michael Olenick" >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] My LA Times response to the June 30th article >>>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:20:35 -0400 >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>Received: from thunder.svaha.org ([70.85.195.2]) by >>>bay0-mc3-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, >>>3 >>>Jul 2007 12:20:43 -0700 >>>Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thunder.svaha.org)by >>>thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >>>)id 1I5nvY-0002LV-Ux; Tue, 03 >>>Jul 2007 14:20:44 -0500 >>>Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.192.85])by >>>thunder.svaha.org >>>with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from ) id >>>1I5nvW-0002LQ-U8for saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 >>>14:20:43 -0500 >>>Received: from michaelo >>>(c-66-229-157-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[66.229.157.103])by comcast.net >>>(rwcrmhc15) with SMTPid <20070703192036m15009gk15e>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >>>19:20:36 +0000 >>>X-Message-Info: >>>LsUYwwHHNt2YnK1Ql8ZihJkKT10dGjjCtEY+2dGJiWQywRXixwixKxGlFmLUZl/U >>>References: >>><021901c7bda5$751655c0$6501a8c0@michaelo><45e83e2c0707031214o5450abc3s5f416bd2ea46e062@mail.gmail.com> >>>X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 >>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >>>Thread-Index: Ace9pnBSUdSmgdBwQmmWBeWBG9fpyQAAER0g >>>X-BeenThere: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 >>>Precedence: list >>>List-Id: "Save Antioch. Save the >>>World." >>>List-Unsubscribe: >>>, >>>List-Archive: >>> >>>List-Post: >>>List-Help: >>> >>>List-Subscribe: >>>, >>>Errors-To: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >>>X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with >>>any abuse report >>>X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thunder.svaha.org >>>X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hotmail.com >>>X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] >>>X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lists.antiochians.org >>>X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Return-Path: >>>saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >>>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 19:20:43.0970 (UTC) >>>FILETIME=[4052BA20:01C7BDA7] >>> >>>You're either trying to save Antioch OR you're insisting on doing >>>whatever >>>you want. In this case those two goals are mutually exclusive. Write >>>away, >>>but please don't attribute your intentions to saving Antioch College when >>>they're instead to advance your own personal agenda. >>> >>>Please answer the question: are the two deaths Hannah referred to the two >>>students murdered in Costa Rica? >>> >>>Michael. >>>----------------- >>>Michael Olenick >>>Tel: 561-649-0962 >>>Mobile: 561-699-5056 >>>olenick@valueinnovation.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>>From: Christian Feuerstein [mailto:christian.feuerstein@gmail.com] >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:15 PM >>>To: Gerry Bello >>>Cc: olenick@valueinnovation.net; saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] My LA Times response to the June 30th article >>> >>> >>>OK quick thing Gerry: Hannah's a part of the press release/op-ed >>>subcommittee that's trying to put together consistent messages & talking >>>points, hence the look-over; this is not an attempt to censor stuff >>>coming >>>from the heart. >>> >>>Sorry if it sounded like that, we're just trying to coordinate efforts >>>here; >>>no one's saying that all can't respond in letters to the editor. >>> >>>In other words, "wups!" >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Christian >>> >>> >>>On 7/3/07, Gerry Bello wrote: >>> >>> >>>Hannah, >>> >>>I think it was a fine letter. Send it. Nobody here needs permission >>>from >>>anybody to write anything and send it anywhere. >>> >>>---G >>> >>> >>>"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt >>>about >>>that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves >>>the >>>stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the >>>prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We >>>carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this >>>minute." >>>----Durruti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >From: "Michael Olenick" < olenick@valueinnovation.net> >>> >To: >>> >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] My LA Times response to the June 30th >>> >article >>> >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 15:07:52 -0400 >>> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> >Received: from thunder.svaha.org ([70.85.195.2]) by >>> > bay0-mc3-f13.bay0.hotmail.com >>>with >>>Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >>> >Jul 2007 12:08:30 -0700 >>> >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo= thunder.svaha.org >>> )by >>> >thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >>> >>> >)id 1I5njJ-00020s-MJ; >>>Tue, 03 >>> >Jul 2007 14:08:05 -0500 >>> >Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154])by >>> > thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >>> >) id 1I5njI-00020f-0tfor >>> > >>>saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:08:04 -0500 >>> >Received: from michaelo >>> >(c-66-229-157-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net[66.229.157.103])by comcast.net >>> >(rwcrmhc14) with SMTPid <20070703190753m1400nfvmke>; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 >>> >19:07:54 +0000 >>> >X-Message-Info: >>> >LsUYwwHHNt3KpZEBFbOiDX6+5HS5WN/Fl9aNvl78Z9atL77xuuGPqOHUe1RI1a3u >>> >References: < 468A98F7.50808@evenanother.com> >>> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 >>> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >>> >Thread-Index: Ace9okHSH+sIP11XRgCaDAjOCU9ryAAAQycQ >>> >X-BeenThere: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >>> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 >>> >Precedence: list >>> >List-Id: "Save Antioch. Save the >>> >World." >>> >List-Unsubscribe: >>> >>>s.org>,>>saveantioch-request@lists.antiochians.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >List-Archive: >>> >< >>> >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/pipermail/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org> >>> >List-Post: >>> >List-Help: >>saveantioch-request@lists.antiochians.org?subject=help> >>> >List-Subscribe: >>> >< >>>>>.org> >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. >>>org>, >>> >Errors-To: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >>> >X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it >>> >with >>> >any abuse report >>> >X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thunder.svaha.org >>> >X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hotmail.com >>> >X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] >>> >X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lists.antiochians.org >>> >X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Return-Path: >>> > >>>saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >>> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 19:08:30.0229 (UTC) >>> >FILETIME=[8AFABC50:01C7BDA5] >>> > >>> >Like the SOPP itself, right idea but I wish you'd double-checked with >>> >the >>> >publicity coordinators. >>> > >>> >Here would be/are the questions that pop into my head based on your >>>letter: >>> > >>> >1. Antioch is completely out-of-control. Your statistics sound just >>>awful; >>> >not at all like the type of place I'd ever send my child to. As an >>> >alum >>> >from about that time I don't really remember this problem. >>> > >>> >Given that... >>> > >>> >2. Date rape and the like are being defined differently than what is >>> >generally accepted by the mainstream US and, especially, by law >>> >enforcement. >>> >In this case, I suspect I'd be terrified of sending my child -- >>>especially >>> >a >>> >son -- to somewhere where there's a risk of having a Duke-style smear >>> >campaign (accusations lodged despite, or even in direct opposition to, >>> >empirical evidence) lodged again him that will stick for the rest of >>> >his >>> >life. >>> > >>> >And finally... >>> > >>> >3. Obviously the two student deaths are not a definition problem but >>> >... >>> >What happened!? Are you referring to the two student deaths that >>>occurred >>> >on co-op in Costa Rica? >>> > >>> >Michael. >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >SaveAntioch mailing list >>> >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>> >>> >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians >>>.org >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one >>>place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69 >>> &FORM=MGAC01 >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SaveAntioch mailing list >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians. >>>org >>>>>.org> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SaveAntioch mailing list >>>SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >>>http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >> http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> SaveAntioch mailing list >> SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >> http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org >> > From totally at svaha.com Tue Jul 3 17:50:48 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:04:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] LA Times Message-ID: <18A0D4E2-9961-4F1D-B062-860BFF5ABB5F@svaha.com> Hannah wrote a letter. You can too. Go forth and be verbose. -g From moloney at pobox.com Tue Jul 3 18:19:31 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:32:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] SaveAntioch Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <6449bcca0707031441w5e64cf4cx5b4381471be97b31@mail.gmail.com> References: <6449bcca0707031441w5e64cf4cx5b4381471be97b31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CDD4991-B7A3-498A-9B11-463757301554@pobox.com> No, the 2 deaths around "that" quarter are definitely Belinda and John. Mia Zapata died in the summer of 1993 in Seattle - I was on co- op there when she murdered. This has what exactly to do with keeping Antioch open? Between this question and the roundabout over who ran the theatre dept in the 80s, boy, are we productive! I've been hearing some offline alums starting to complain about all the chatter (and it's lack of focus). It's all google-able and it looks like a grand mal-style community meeting. It sure makes it easy for some reluctant recent alums to keep their checkbooks and their energy to themselves.... Aside from local meetings, is there anything we can do to make this more focused or is it not worth pursuing and we should just focus on the local, as they say? And does anyone know what percentage of the $$ raised to keep Antioch open right now is pledges v. cash? - beth 95 cm 95-96 On Jul 3, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Brent Ortner wrote: > Lay off of Hannah. > > Michael-if you are so concerned then I seriously suggest your draft > a letter of your own. Get off your soapbox. > > I believe one of the deaths she is referring to is Mia Zapata. > > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:21:43 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:34:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] SaveAntioch Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: <7CDD4991-B7A3-498A-9B11-463757301554@pobox.com> Message-ID: This can be googled? Thats unwise. And unsafe. Somebody want to fix that? "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Elizabeth Moloney >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >CC: "Save Antioch. Save the World" >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] SaveAntioch Digest, Vol 3, Issue >15 >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:19:31 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) >X-Originating-IP: 208.120.207.225 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc3-f23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 15:19:40 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id C3807605E02F;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:32:12 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from >elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net(elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net >[209.86.89.69])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968B4605E010for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:32:10 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [208.120.207.225] (helo=[10.0.1.2])by >elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34)id >1I5qie-0007Pn-Mp; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:19:36 -0400 >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt0rfZvyEHP/VvNtPb9JMVO1aCzkwSbItUrgZZSFuP0UXgBuch94x/DG >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >References: ><6449bcca0707031441w5e64cf4cx5b4381471be97b31@mail.gmail.com> >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) >X-ELNK-Trace: >e555f33b4148f5bc89cb21dbd10cbf767e972de0d01da940d34662b700b58eb5edc893a411635102350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 22:19:40.0764 (UTC) >FILETIME=[3FF379C0:01C7BDC0] > >No, the 2 deaths around "that" quarter are definitely Belinda and John. >Mia Zapata died in the summer of 1993 in Seattle - I was on co- op there >when she murdered. > >This has what exactly to do with keeping Antioch open? Between this >question and the roundabout over who ran the theatre dept in the 80s, boy, >are we productive! > >I've been hearing some offline alums starting to complain about all the >chatter (and it's lack of focus). It's all google-able and it looks like >a grand mal-style community meeting. It sure makes it easy for some >reluctant recent alums to keep their checkbooks and their energy to >themselves.... Aside from local meetings, is there anything we can do to >make this more focused or is it not worth pursuing and we should just >focus on the local, as they say? > >And does anyone know what percentage of the $$ raised to keep Antioch open >right now is pledges v. cash? > >- beth 95 cm 95-96 > > > >On Jul 3, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Brent Ortner wrote: > >>Lay off of Hannah. >> >>Michael-if you are so concerned then I seriously suggest your draft a >>letter of your own. Get off your soapbox. >> >>I believe one of the deaths she is referring to is Mia Zapata. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From moloney at pobox.com Tue Jul 3 18:25:59 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:38:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] SaveAntioch Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't if if you can get every message on the chatlist ever but, inspired by the signatures of some of the posters here, I tried a little experiment. For example, Google your first and last name in quotes, Gerry, and the top of the 2nd page of results has 2 recent posts.... w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001538.html - 9k - Jul 1, 2007 w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001530.html - 9k - Jul 1, 2007 - beth 95 ps apologies for my typo in the paragraph about mia. should be she was murdered, not she murdered. typing with out proofing. sorry. On Jul 3, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Gerry Bello wrote: > > This can be googled? Thats unwise. And unsafe. > > Somebody want to fix that? > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:32:11 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:44:52 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Re: SaveAntioch Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thats significantly less than awesome... Anyhow.... I'm drafting a little something for the Anarchist press... should have it out late tonite. _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Tue Jul 3 18:46:12 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Tue Jul 3 18:58:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fw: Financial report on Antioch University Message-ID: Is there a legal committee or finance forensic team yet? I am getting bits and pieces like the Dun & Bradstreet report below from a friend who does investigative journalism - admit I am too busy to sink my teeth into it - can I forward this stuff on to anyone without cluttering up the alumni chatlist? Matt? Hope? Stephanie 1989 Copyright 2007 Dun & Bradstreet, Inc. Dun's Market Identifiers RETURN Check availability of a D&B Business Information Report (Credit Report) December 5, 2006 Antioch University 150 E South College St Yellow Springs, OH 45387-1635 United States BUSINESS ADDRESS: 150 E South College St, Yellow Springs, OH 45387-1635, United States MSA: Dayton-Springfield, OH - 2000 COUNTY: Greene CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: 7th Congressional District - block face level * * * * * * * * * * COMMUNICATIONS * * * * * * * * * * TELEPHONE: 937-769-1370 * * * * * * * * * * COMPANY IDENTIFIERS * * * * * * * * * * DUNS NUMBER: 04-106-4825 * * * * * * * * * * COMPANY INFORMATION * * * * * * * * * * FOUNDED: 1853 INCORPORATION DATE: May 20, 1852 PLACE OF INCORPORATION: Ohio LEGAL STATUS: Corporation ORGANIZATION TYPE: Headquarters EMPLOYEES: Employee Total: 1,000 Employees At This Location: 600 - Actual Employee Total One Year Ago: 1,000 Employee Total Three Years Ago: 1,000 PROPERTY: 600,000 square feet - OWNS * * * * * * * * * * EXECUTIVES * * * * * * * * * * Finance: Virginia Dowse, Dir of Fin Schools-Libraries: Tullisse Murdock, Chancellor Thomas Saecke, Vice Chancellor Administrative: Leslee Byers, Coordinator * * * * * * * * * * DESCRIPTION * * * * * * * * * * INDUSTRY TYPE: Services: Professional; College/University * * * * * * * * * * MARKET AND INDUSTRY * * * * * * * * * * NAICS CODES: 611310 - Colleges, Universities and Professional Schools SIC CODES: 8221 - Colleges and universities, nsk 82210102 - University * * * * * * * * * * INCOME STATEMENT * * * * * * * * * * Sales Revision Date: December 5, 2006 Annual Sales: $78,140,848 - Actual Annual Sales One Year Ago: $61,534,856 Annual Sales Three Years Ago: $68,909,414 Sales Growth: -10% Net Worth: $55,403,894 CROSS REFERENCE: ANTIOCH UNIVERSITY SEATTLE LOAD-DATE: May 25, 2007 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 18:49:15 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:01:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Folks, Does anybody have access to the online edition of the chronicle of higher education? Because the ULC reported salaries are online there: chronicle.com/che-data/infobank.dir/factfile.dir/pay.dir/98pay/liberal.htm However you need to be a member. More dirt as I find it ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Elizabeth Moloney >To: Alumni Chat List >CC: "Save Antioch. Save the World" >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Re: SaveAntioch Digest, Vol >3,Issue 15 >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:25:59 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) >X-Originating-IP: 208.120.207.225 >Received: from thunder.svaha.org ([70.85.195.2]) by >bay0-mc4-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 15:26:08 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=thunder.svaha.org)by >thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from >)id 1I5qp0-0006OW-QV; Tue, 03 >Jul 2007 17:26:10 -0500 >Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67])by >thunder.svaha.org with esmtp (Exim 4.66)(envelope-from ) >id 1I5qoz-0006ON-9yfor saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 >17:26:09 -0500 >Received: from [208.120.207.225] (helo=[10.0.1.2])by >elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34)id >1I5qos-0002ww-Lq; Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:26:02 -0400 >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt3HC9nMz+YW989SZBAbhtWlwsEJsiM3d7yKni4JdgUFM9R1vJFbo7s1 >References: >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) >X-ELNK-Trace: >e555f33b4148f5bc89cb21dbd10cbf767e972de0d01da94092da0666b9c5c11208782bab863311b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c >X-BeenThere: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: "Save Antioch. Save the >World." >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: > >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with >any abuse report >X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - thunder.svaha.org >X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - hotmail.com >X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] >X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - lists.antiochians.org >X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Return-Path: >saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 22:26:08.0653 (UTC) >FILETIME=[2726A3D0:01C7BDC1] > >I don't if if you can get every message on the chatlist ever but, inspired >by the signatures of some of the posters here, I tried a little >experiment. For example, Google your first and last name in quotes, >Gerry, and the top of the 2nd page of results has 2 recent posts.... > >w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001538.html - 9k - Jul 1, >2007 > >w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-July/001530.html - 9k - Jul 1, >2007 > > >- beth 95 > >ps apologies for my typo in the paragraph about mia. should be she was >murdered, not she murdered. typing with out proofing. sorry. > > >On Jul 3, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Gerry Bello wrote: > >> >>This can be googled? Thats unwise. And unsafe. >> >>Somebody want to fix that? >> > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:23:13 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:35:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The University's Real Estate Holdings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What is up with Antioch's real estate assets in Xenia on Jacoby rd and on SR 343? Anybody know what thoose 2 huge houses and associated vacant lots are for? ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From npeterson at prosperodesign.com Tue Jul 3 19:29:10 2007 From: npeterson at prosperodesign.com (Nicholas Peterson) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:41:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468ADBC6.80400@prosperodesign.com> The most recent 990 on Guidestar.org that includes full salary information is 2003. I've often found that Guidestar often has incomplete information (missing pages). This is based on other organizations I've looked up. It varies. It may also be useful to look up comparative Colleges and Universities to see how Antioch ranks before drawing too many conclusions. Who else should we learn about? Nick Nicholas Peterson Class of 2000 =========== 2003 Form 990 - Antioch University List of Officers, Directors, Trustees, and Key Employees James Craiglow Chancellor Compensation: $175,250 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $46,909 Expense account and other allowances: $18,000 Glenn Watts Vice Chancellor and CFO Compensation: $140,000 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $35,853 Expense account and other allowances: $8,400 Lois Mann Vice Chancellor for Development Compensation: $123,500 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $31,605 Expense account and other allowances: $4,200 Peter Temes President (part year), Antioch New England Compensation: $136,500 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $43,784 Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 LucyAnn Geiselman President, Antioch LA Compensation: $138,500 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $34,580 Expense account and other allowances: $14,000 Toni Murdock President, Antioch Seattle Compensation: $136,500 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $34,580 Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 Barbara Gellman-Danley President, Antioch McGregor Compensation: $142,500 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $33,486 + car Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 Joan Straumanis President, Antioch College Compensation: $143,000 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $36,008 + house Expense account and other allowances: $0 Leslie Johnson 6 hrs Asst. Secretary 36 hrs Asst to Chancellor Compensation: $39,496 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $12,951 Total Officers Compensation Compensation: $1,175,246 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $314,614 Expense Account & Other Allowances: $71,600 Compensation of Five Highest Paid Employees Other Than Officers, Directors, and Trustees Chloe Reid Executive Dean Culver City, CA Compensation: $120,722 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,888 Expense account and other allowances: $0 Laurien Alexandre Dean of University Programs & Director of PhD Program Yellow Springs, OH Compensation: $114,699 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,368 Expense account and other allowances: $0 Steven Brzezinski Academic Dean Yellow Springs, OH Compensation: $113,680 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,323 Expense account and other allowances: $0 Peter Vaill Professor of Management Yellow Springs, OH Compensation: $113,000 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,000 Expense account and other allowances: $0 Linda Moody Dean of Academic Affairs Culver City, CA Compensation: $110,314 Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $12,819 Expense account and other allowances: $0 Total number of other employees paid over $50,000: 161 Compensation for Five Highest Paid Independent Contractors Martin, Browne, Hull & Harper Legal Springfield, OH Compensation: $240,968 Leading Edge Educational Services Saranac Lake, NY Compensation: $227,170 Ketchum, Inc. Fund Raising Consultants Dallas, TX Compensation: $194,338 Group Oliver Computing Redondo Beach, CA Compensation: $145,256 Lorenz Wiliams Architect Dayton, OH Compensation: $100,074 Total Number of others receiving over $50,000 for professional services: 9 Gerry Bello wrote: > Folks, > > Does anybody have access to the online edition of the chronicle of > higher education? > > Because the ULC reported salaries are online there: > > chronicle.com/che-data/infobank.dir/factfile.dir/pay.dir/98pay/liberal.htm > > > However you need to be a member. > > More dirt as I find it > > ----G > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Tue Jul 3 19:35:57 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Tue Jul 3 19:48:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online In-Reply-To: <468ADBC6.80400@prosperodesign.com> Message-ID: Flagship Funds Inc in Dayton Ohio. More on the Architect but most importantly the consultants for this year that told them to dumps us. Good work... The smoking gun is somewhere in this big pile of money "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Nicholas Peterson >Reply-To: npeterson@prosperodesign.com,Alumni Chat List > >To: Alumni Chat List >CC: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:29:10 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc3-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 >Jul 2007 16:29:19 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E47E605E552;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:41:51 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from uter.harvard.edu (uter.harvard.edu [128.103.149.84])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0919B605E535for >; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:41:48 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by camail.harvard.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B68D6;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:29:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [128.103.107.234] (dhcp-107-234.harvard.edu >[128.103.107.234])by camail.harvard.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id >D0A8D71;Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:29:14 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW41zTtzbp5egVh5rJFzvX1OuCr4yyhvet5JrX4o8XcO2sn2mr+sPJaC4 >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Organization: Prospero Design LLC >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060308) >References: >X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harvard.edu >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 23:29:19.0393 (UTC) >FILETIME=[FA9BA910:01C7BDC9] > >The most recent 990 on Guidestar.org that includes full salary information >is 2003. I've often found that Guidestar often has incomplete information >(missing pages). This is based on other organizations I've looked up. It >varies. > >It may also be useful to look up comparative Colleges and Universities to >see how Antioch ranks before drawing too many conclusions. > >Who else should we learn about? > >Nick > >Nicholas Peterson >Class of 2000 > >=========== > >2003 >Form 990 - Antioch University > >List of Officers, Directors, Trustees, and Key Employees >James Craiglow >Chancellor >Compensation: $175,250 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $46,909 >Expense account and other allowances: $18,000 > >Glenn Watts >Vice Chancellor and CFO >Compensation: $140,000 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $35,853 >Expense account and other allowances: $8,400 > >Lois Mann >Vice Chancellor for Development >Compensation: $123,500 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $31,605 >Expense account and other allowances: $4,200 > >Peter Temes >President (part year), Antioch New England >Compensation: $136,500 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $43,784 >Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 > >LucyAnn Geiselman >President, Antioch LA >Compensation: $138,500 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $34,580 >Expense account and other allowances: $14,000 > >Toni Murdock >President, Antioch Seattle >Compensation: $136,500 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $34,580 >Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 > >Barbara Gellman-Danley >President, Antioch McGregor >Compensation: $142,500 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $33,486 + >car >Expense account and other allowances: $9,000 > >Joan Straumanis >President, Antioch College >Compensation: $143,000 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $36,008 + >house >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Leslie Johnson >6 hrs Asst. Secretary >36 hrs Asst to Chancellor >Compensation: $39,496 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $12,951 > >Total Officers Compensation >Compensation: $1,175,246 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $314,614 >Expense Account & Other Allowances: $71,600 > >Compensation of Five Highest Paid Employees Other Than Officers, Directors, >and Trustees > >Chloe Reid >Executive Dean >Culver City, CA >Compensation: $120,722 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,888 >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Laurien Alexandre >Dean of University Programs & Director of PhD Program >Yellow Springs, OH >Compensation: $114,699 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,368 >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Steven Brzezinski >Academic Dean >Yellow Springs, OH >Compensation: $113,680 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,323 >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Peter Vaill >Professor of Management >Yellow Springs, OH >Compensation: $113,000 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $13,000 >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Linda Moody >Dean of Academic Affairs >Culver City, CA >Compensation: $110,314 >Contribution to employee benefit plans & deferred compensation: $12,819 >Expense account and other allowances: $0 > >Total number of other employees paid over $50,000: 161 > >Compensation for Five Highest Paid Independent Contractors >Martin, Browne, Hull & Harper >Legal >Springfield, OH >Compensation: $240,968 > >Leading Edge >Educational Services >Saranac Lake, NY >Compensation: $227,170 > >Ketchum, Inc. >Fund Raising Consultants >Dallas, TX >Compensation: $194,338 > >Group Oliver >Computing >Redondo Beach, CA >Compensation: $145,256 > >Lorenz Wiliams >Architect >Dayton, OH >Compensation: $100,074 > >Total Number of others receiving over $50,000 for professional services: 9 > > > >Gerry Bello wrote: >>Folks, >> >>Does anybody have access to the online edition of the chronicle of higher >>education? >> >>Because the ULC reported salaries are online there: >> >>chronicle.com/che-data/infobank.dir/factfile.dir/pay.dir/98pay/liberal.htm >> >> >>However you need to be a member. >> >>More dirt as I find it >> >>----G >> > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From smith_jl at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 3 20:13:09 2007 From: smith_jl at bellsouth.net (J. Lawrence Smith) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:25:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 2004-05 numbers are the latest available. (Pay/Benefits/Total Compensation) (Copied from CHE) Antioch University (Ohio) James H. Craiglow* chancellor $180,250 $80,427 $260,677 Only the Chancellor is listed after 2004. (The below go back to 1998 when they listed the top 5) (Copied from CHE) Institution Employee 2002-3 pay 2002-3 benefits 2002-3 total Antioch University James H. Craiglow chancellor $165,000 $71,193 $236,193 Antioch University Glenn H. Watts vice chancellor; chief financial officer $135,000 $57,800 $192,800 Antioch University Barbara Gellman-Danley president, McGregor School $146,500 $26,598 $173,098 Antioch University Tullisse Murdock president, Seattle campus $130,000 $42,453 $172,453 Antioch University Lois Mann vice chancellor, development and external relations $120,000 $38,822 $158,822 From fowen at kvvi.net Tue Jul 3 20:21:36 2007 From: fowen at kvvi.net (fowen@kvvi.net) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:34:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle Message-ID: <380-2200773402136356@M2W028.mail2web.com> If, as I hope, the Faculty of the College has made an approach to the American Assoc. of University Professors-AAUP, then their very experienced auditing team may undertake to study the finances of both the College and the University. They are very good. When we were organizing (for the third time) at the University of Vermont, the analyst found a $12 million slush fund that was moved out of view so the then administration could plead financial crisis whenever necessary. The discovery was a big help to the organizing effort. Frank Owen -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From warren at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 20:26:49 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Tue Jul 3 20:38:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Jonah and Scott, Bob and J. Michael and Thelma In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! Scott Alumni Chat List on Friday, June 29, 2007 at 2:19 PM wrote: >This discussion is a waste of everyone's time. I suggest no one respond >to >these posts and maybe the counter-productive BS will stop. We're all >better >than this. > >We have a college to save people! > >Dawn '83 > > > >On 6/29/07 10:45 AM, "Thelma Seto" wrote: > >> Antiochians often--at least while they were there--like to imagine >> themselves as radicals. The term radical means "of or pertaining to the >> root or origin". Lack of money at Antioch College is NOT the problem. >It >> is a symptom of the underlying problem. If we throw money at Antioch >> College, while closing our eyes to the underlying problem, we will be >back >> here in another year or two or five going through the same paroxyms. >> >> Further, as I understand it, mediation and conflict resolution are >practices >> and skills that Antioch--at various locations, not just in YSO--prides >> itself on. But you are asking that those of us with questions stop >asking >> them, then blast us for asking them, and tell us to shut up. I would >rather >> see a process of consensus happening here. In fact, I think it is >essential >> to solve this issue. Consensus requires a lot of patience and faith on >the >> part of all participants, but in the end it is the best way to >> problem-solve. It is the only way to prevent the problem from cropping >up >> again in the future. And this venue is a perfect place to engage in >this >> process. There are threads in the alumni chat that don't interest me >in the >> slightest, but they are ALL part of a sorely needed conversation and >reading >> ALL the posts helps me come to a better, and broader, understanding. I >> welcome them--including yours, Leslie. You never know when something >said >> in a post you thought was of no interest (or merely irritating) jogs >> something in your creative intelligence that can grow and become a >pivotal >> element in the final resolution. I welcome it all. >> >> This not only is not helpful, it seems to me that while denying there >is any >> sort of toxicity in interpersonal relations in YSO and bashing those >who ask >> about it or express opinions about it, you (I don't mean to pick on you, >> Leslie--there are others on this list) illustrate the very toxicity you >are >> denying. >> >> I would be happy to pull out of this entire effort, if the current >Antioch >> community--and that includes ALL the alumni--do not have the political >will >> to get to the ROOT of the problem, to discuss openly and in depth and >> breadth the actual PROBLEM we are attempting to address. In fact, I >think >> it is a complete waste of time to try to "save" Antioch if we do not >have >> the courage to engage in this conversation. >> >> ALL of my posts, Leslie, have had to do with Antioch. Other people >choose >> to pick up on ancillary issues. I could--but have chosen not >to--respond to >> those side conversations. I figure if they want to learn more, they can >> google those subjects. It's part of the learner-defined educational >model. >> But Antioch does not exist separate from the outer world, and issues >facing >> our nation and species are pertinent, whether you like it or not. I am >not >> particularly riveted by Party A saying, "Party B! Hi! Call me!", but >I do >> not get my knickers in a twist about it. I just hit the delete key. Is >> this related to Antioch? Sort of. No more than the issue of academic >> censure, surely. >> >> We NEED to have a full-blown, indepth discussion about what has >happened to >> AC before we can decide how to address the problems. And EVERYONE's >voice >> needs to be included. If only the "in" crowd is allowed to speak >> unmolested, you will get the same old "answers" that have not worked. >> >> Must I repeat that? The old answers HAVE NOT WORKED. >> >> I never thought I'd see the day when Antiochians were afraid to discuss >> things inclusively, afraid to hear questions asked, and respond by >trying to >> silence those who were saying uncomfortable things. I very much >appreciated >> Jonah and Young Han's posts because they were detailed descriptions of >> student experiences in recent times. Of COURSE they are not the whole >> story. OF COURSE there are good things about Antioch. Why else would >any >> of us be here? But right now the College is in crisis and we need to >focus >> on what went WRONG. That does not mean that everything about Antioch >> College, now or then, is wrong. We are in crisis. We need to get to >the >> root of the problem. >> >> I recognize that faculty and students and staff currently at the >College are >> under tremendous stress. But I would gently suggest that they may be >too >> close to the current situation to see it very clearly. I do think that >> members of the current physical community in YSO need to engage those >of us >> who come in periodically from "the outside" to get some perspective on >why >> Antioch is in such dire straits--even our confused questions reflect on >some >> of the problems. If everything was wonderful at AC right now, and the >> outside world had a clear understanding of what was going on there, we >would >> not have these questions. >> >> I have a thick skin. You can bash me however much you want. But >anyone who >> knew me well at Antioch knows that I stubbornly refuse to relinquish my >> right and ability to think for myself, to analyze the situation for >myself, >> and to ask LOTS of questions. I also refuse to give up my right to >express >> myself honestly. I didn't like the peer pressure when I was a student, >and >> I don't like it now, whether it comes from faculty, administrators, >staff, >> union-members, current students or other alumni. I don't like it and I >> don't think it helps Antioch. >> >> In fact, I believe it is killing it. >> >> Thelma >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Michael Olenick" >> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >> To: "'Alumni Chat List'" >> Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Jonah and Scott, Bob and J. Michael and >> Thelma >> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:02:11 -0400 >> >> Leslie -- WHY? What reason do we have to do ANY of these things? >> >> The Antioch I remember is one where people can be perennial pains in the >> butt but -- when all is said and done -- they often figure out the right >> thing to do, the best way to do it, and (most importantly) WHY they are >> doing something. >> >> You've entirely omitted the WHY, except for nostalgia reasons, that we >> should keep Antioch open. >> >> Michael. >> >> ----------------- >> Michael Olenick >> Tel: 561-649-0962 >> Mobile: 561-699-5056 >> olenick@valueinnovation.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Leslie Pope >> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:13 PM >> To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Jonah and Scott, Bob and J. Michael and >Thelma >> >> Now that's the Antioch I remember: personal attacks couched in >long-winded >> political arguments which digress from the central subject, followed by >> recriminations slung from both sides, followed by petulance and >> high-and-mighty withdrawal from both parties. Well done, Antiochians! >> >> Discussions of tenure, politcally correct culture, the ineptitude of the >> BoT, etc. are all worthy but are really larger than this forum can >> handle and can wait. It seems to me that the more important issues >> before us today, that must be acted upon very, very soon are: >> >> 1. Can we stop the planned suspension of operations of Antioch College? > If >> so, how? >> What is our legal footing? What exactly is our plan? >> >> 2. Can we stop the layoffs and terminations of staff that are already >> occurring? >> >> 3. Can we legally keep the money being collected now under the >umbrella of >> the College Revival Fund away from the clutches of the University? >> >> These questions don't appear to be addressed in the Action Plan. >> Someone correct me if I'm wrong. >> >> Anyone else having trouble with the antiochians.org site? Can't click >on >> anything. >> >> Leslie Pope '77 >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: >6/28/2007 >> 5:57 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> PC Magazine?s 2007 editors? choice for best Web mail?award-winning >Windows >> Live Hotmail. >> >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_ >> HM_mini_pcmag_0507 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From dawn at mediawonk.com Tue Jul 3 20:48:47 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Tue Jul 3 21:01:26 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Publicity and Media In-Reply-To: <20070704002550.10590605E816@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: Concerning Hanna's letter Michael wrote... "... right idea but I wish you'd double-checked with >>> >the publicity coordinators." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Michael. It's true we all the have the right to do whatever we'd like but--coordinating efforts and being mindful of what message we want out there is important. Every letter isn't going to get published--if even read. Thus far Dan's response to the same LA Times piece has not been published. I'd love for someone from the publicity committee to be in touch with me and perhaps participate in the conference call Friday. Can someone email me please? Dawn '83 dawn@mediawonk.com From dawn at mediawonk.com Tue Jul 3 20:52:47 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Tue Jul 3 21:05:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Curious In-Reply-To: <468A8653.1010106@bwsys.net> Message-ID: > "....Actually, the alumni records are far from up to date. My father (BA > 1934, will be 97 in September, and a regular donor) says he hasn't heard > from Antioch in years." ============================================================ This is a sad commentary... letting regular donors fade away! How many more just fell off the mailing list? -Dawn > > From kokeefe at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 21:33:44 2007 From: kokeefe at antioch-college.edu (Kelly O'Keefe) Date: Tue Jul 3 21:45:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello! Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission to do a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of ours, The Antioch Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, and a large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and fun activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, but an activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more details as soon as we have them. If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working at a donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the two of us and we'd love your help! Kelly O'Keefe PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) From kokeefe at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 3 22:05:58 2007 From: kokeefe at antioch-college.edu (Kelly O'Keefe) Date: Tue Jul 3 22:18:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <764418.40108.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob will be teaching the next two terms, so he may have his hands a bit full. I think that's a great idea. Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 2, 2007 at 3:06 PM wrote: > >I think we should take heed of Art's suggestion that the >Alumni Board elect a faculty/staff leader and subsidize >her/him to spend full time on the revival. I also believe >alumni funds raised thus far would be wisely spent in >providing this representative with administrative and travel >assistance. I suggest any "job description" for this role >ought to, obviously, be in writing and I think there should >be a firm commitment to reaching an objective which exceeds >the immediate (and very real) needs of expanding severance >packages, etc. > >That being said, and having no idea if this faculty person >is even interested, as an alumni, I would ask that someone >on the Alumni Board nominate Bob Devine for this position. > >Barry Klopfer '97 > > > >--------------------------------- >Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From warren at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 4 00:30:15 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Jul 4 00:42:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Outline sketch of a plan In-Reply-To: References: < > < > <014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: Yes, Callie is right. Will all the bickering lunatics get off this list and save it for those who have positive ideas about saving the College? Take it somewhere else! Otherwise we will have to take the constructive talk somewhere else. We're fighting for the life of one of the most important colleges in the history of higher education here. Please keep a focus on our task. Thank you for listening! best, Scott Warren Philosophy & Political Science Alumni Chat List on Tuesday, July 3, 2007 at 1:27 AM wrote: >I think the University Administration and the BoT can feel reassured >of the alumni's inability to organize or act effectively when the >dialogue amongst us disintegrates into baseless, mean-spirited >personal attacks. It plays perfectly into their analysis of the >College's "toxic culture." > > >Callie > >On 7/2/07, Michael Olenick wrote: >> The Board of Trustees would be happy to see you in the position of >leading >> College revival efforts. Assuming you'd do as well as you did in other >> positions any worries they'd have about the effort being effective >would be >> eliminated. >> >> I like many of the former CM's that I know but think a better >measurement is >> who went on to do what AFTER graduation from Antioch. >> >> M. >> >> ----------------- >> Michael Olenick >> Tel: 561-649-0962 >> Mobile: 561-699-5056 >> olenick@valueinnovation.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From trixfrig at ix.netcom.com Wed Jul 4 00:47:20 2007 From: trixfrig at ix.netcom.com (Patricia Arlin) Date: Wed Jul 4 01:00:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: References: < > < > <014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> Message-ID: <537949f57e945ed5350ec161ea4ece45@ix.netcom.com> May I suggest that calling people "bickering lunatics" is highly unlikely to produce the desired result of non-bickering and is in fact a classic example of a bicker? Perhaps when the fine people responsible for antiochians.org have a moment to breathe they will create forums for people who want to talk about the issues that may not be directly related to the task at hand, that are, at least in the mind of the bickerers, more about strategic decisions. As well as forums for those who want to talk tactics and specific organizing tasks. Or want to yell at each other. (Ah, good times....) Until then, the alumni chat list is all we have, so if you (second person plural) don't want to take part in a particular thread why don't you just ignore it? If interest is low it will die. If it is only two or three people taking part in it and you know those people or the subject thread then you can delete it without reading it if you're not interested. We are unmoderated and those who wish to flame will flame. Those who wish not to read the flames must therefore not read them. It's actually quite simple. At the same time, this chat is for all Antioch alumni whether they agree with me or not. It would be so very lovely if I were Queen of the Universe but this is not to be, so all those fools too stupid to know that I am correct about everything one hundred percent of the time must be allowed to express their thoughts. Darn. The threatened closing of Antioch may make us crazy but we don't have to act crazy. Trisha Arlin '75 On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:30 AM, Scott Warren wrote: > Yes, Callie is right. Will all the bickering lunatics get off this > list > and save it for those who have positive ideas about saving the College? > Take it somewhere else! Otherwise we will have to take the > constructive > talk somewhere else. We're fighting for the life of one of the most > important colleges in the history of higher education here. Please > keep a > focus on our task. Thank you for listening! > > best, > > Scott Warren > Philosophy & Political Science > > From warren at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 4 01:55:10 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Jul 4 02:07:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: <537949f57e945ed5350ec161ea4ece45@ix.netcom.com> References: <537949f57e945ed5350ec161ea4ece45@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Okay! Okay! I apologize for being so short-tempered, but those of us who are having our livelihoods taken away from us after so many years of working so hard to make Antoch such a wonderful learning expierence are not feeling so well right now. So, if you want to sit on your perch and take pot shots at us, well, fine. In the meantime, I agree with you that we should all be working on ways to save the College right now. My point was that the times are pretty serious right now. We should be using this communication forum to find ways to help save the College, and not fight out old battles from times past. What's the point? And that's what is happening too often on this list. That was all I meant. My best to you Trisha, Scott lumni Chat List on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 at 12:47 AM wrote: >May I suggest that calling people "bickering lunatics" is highly >unlikely to produce the desired result of non-bickering and is in fact >a classic example of a bicker? > >Perhaps when the fine people responsible for antiochians.org have a >moment to breathe they will create forums for people who want to talk >about the issues that may not be directly related to the task at hand, >that are, at least in the mind of the bickerers, more about strategic >decisions. As well as forums for those who want to talk tactics and >specific organizing tasks. Or want to yell at each other. (Ah, good >times....) > >Until then, the alumni chat list is all we have, so if you (second >person plural) don't want to take part in a particular thread why don't >you just ignore it? If interest is low it will die. If it is only two >or three people taking part in it and you know those people or the >subject thread then you can delete it without reading it if you're not >interested. We are unmoderated and those who wish to flame will flame. > Those who wish not to read the flames must therefore not read them. >It's actually quite simple. > >At the same time, this chat is for all Antioch alumni whether they >agree with me or not. It would be so very lovely if I were Queen of >the Universe but this is not to be, so all those fools too stupid to >know that I am correct about everything one hundred percent of the time >must be allowed to express their thoughts. Darn. > >The threatened closing of Antioch may make us crazy but we don't have >to act crazy. > >Trisha Arlin '75 > > >On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:30 AM, Scott Warren wrote: > >> Yes, Callie is right. Will all the bickering lunatics get off this >> list >> and save it for those who have positive ideas about saving the College? >> Take it somewhere else! Otherwise we will have to take the >> constructive >> talk somewhere else. We're fighting for the life of one of the most >> important colleges in the history of higher education here. Please >> keep a >> focus on our task. Thank you for listening! >> >> best, >> >> Scott Warren >> Philosophy & Political Science >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Jul 4 02:48:48 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 4 03:01:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:10:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, skooter3@gmail.com writes: You're creating a false dichotomy here. Antioch does not and will never compete against large universities. Antioch competes with small colleges. Small colleges teach the liberal arts. They are not comprehensive universities. Students attend liberal arts colleges to get a well-rounded education before specializing in graduate school. The issue is what Foreign Governments that frequently fund international students are looking for when they make decisions regarding enrollment. They will support attendance at a small Liberal Arts Colleges such as MacCalaster in St. Paul because of its highly successful, several decades old International Journalism Program, (long run by an Antiochian) which combines two years on campus with a placement on an American Daily, and they will prefer that program to J School on large University Campuses. However they also have a preference for U of Iowa for Writing Programs, not because the school is large, but because it has over the years graduated so many International Students that have gone on to win top literary prizes. These programs are always oversubscribed -- they fetch a premium price, and are highly selective. Many Arab and Muslim countries now restrict their students to schools that have a significant muslim population, have a mosque near campus, and have a Muslim Student Center. They want to keep close eyes on their students, and those who want to go elsewhere frequently do not get passports or funding or the right to transfer money. Any college these days which wants to deal in this field must have a competent Foreign Student Office, Professionally staffed, able to deal with the huge array of requirements of governments, and with the increasingly strict visa rules of Homeland Security. I doubt if Antioch is or will be in a position to provide any of this in the knowable future. Up till 9/11 many foreign students came and studied a year or two at community colleges so as to improve language skills -- but that is nearly over now, given the staffing requirements Homeland Security demands. Instead the new pattern is a contract with a large university with an English as Second Language program for a year or two, and then placement in a specific degree program. DHS is quick to cancel visas if students make limited progress toward a defined goal, or do not regularly attend class, or if they cannot be "found" in just a few hours by University Personnel. DHS also cancels visas if students change majors without elaborate paperwork. This is what I am talking about -- not comparing Liberal Arts Colleges with Large Universities. At least in this venue, 9/11 changed everything. The vast majority of International Students today are majoring in science, engineering, agriculture -- fields where nations can see immediate needs for higher skills, or perhaps want teachers or researchers trained. This sets up a conflict with DHS, because they have rules against some Foreign Students studying in fields they classify as dual use technology. In many ways it is nuts -- but it is the new road rules. People who work in this field are quite dissatisfied with it all -- but the politics right now pretty much demand compliance with the rules if you want any student visas issued for the students you accept. If you know someone at Ohio State or Miami of Ohio who works in the field, just ask them about it. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Wed Jul 4 04:11:18 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Wed Jul 4 04:23:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: <537949f57e945ed5350ec161ea4ece45@ix.netcom.com> References: < > < ><014f01c7bd18$b7e79220$6501a8c0@michaelo> <537949f57e945ed5350ec161ea4ece45@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: > > Perhaps when the fine people responsible for antiochians.org have a moment > to breathe they will create forums for people who want to talk about the > issues that may not be directly related to the task at hand, that are, at > least in the mind of the bickerers, more about strategic decisions. As > well as forums for those who want to talk tactics and specific organizing > tasks. Or want to yell at each other. (Ah, good times....) That's actually quite a good idea, o Queen of the Universe! Some of the bickering has to do with what sort of culture Antioch should have going forward - we are having our own mini culture wars, ah, bless. Anyway this worthy debate, or slanging match, might actually prove useful in the end, but should not be carried on, say, in the middle of a pr planning meeting - so maybe it would be a good idea to set up a couple of sublists on antiochians.org (as you folks clearly don't have enough to do!) Stephanie 1989 From thanos at post.com Wed Jul 4 05:33:34 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Wed Jul 4 05:55:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: <20070704093334.38E9D1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Sistersara wrote: >The issue is what Foreign Governments that frequently fund international >students are looking for when they make decisions regarding enrollment. No, that is just one issue. The issue here is the will of a small liberal arts college to seek out students from other countries. >Many Arab and >Muslim countries now restrict their students to schools that have a >significant muslim population, have a mosque near campus, and have a Muslim Student >Center. Perhaps. I'd like to see evidence of that beyond anecdote. But not all countries have such requirements, and Antioch would probably aim for a different student than one sponsored and supported by dictatorships. Believe it or not, there exists a middle-class in other countries, even Muslim ones, and values that you would call 'moderate' and what I would call 'social democrat' are far, far more widespread than the US media portrays. >Any college these days which wants to deal in this field must >have a competent Foreign Student Office, Professionally staffed, able to deal >with the huge array of requirements of governments, and with the increasingly >strict visa rules of Homeland Security. I doubt if Antioch is or will be in >a position to provide any of this in the knowable future. You exaggerate the needs of foreign students, and you fail to imagine an Antioch that can not only survive but thrive. None of the foreign students I knew at Antioch required anything close to the elaborate support system you describe, and even if the rules of the game have changed (DHS etc.) we are not talking about waves of hordes sweeping out of Central Asia besieging Yellow Springs on horseback. We are talking about a handful of students. >The vast majority of International Students today are majoring in science, >engineering, agriculture -- fields where nations can see immediate needs for >higher skills, or perhaps want teachers or researchers trained. Yes, and the vast majority of American students today are majoring in business. By this logic, any liberal arts school is superfluous and doomed. Again, Antioch would not be promising anything it can't deliver; it would be promising a liberal arts education with a strong social & environmental conscience. So what's the rumpus. (I deleted a long paragraph about dated worldviews, history vs. the future, and xenophobia.) I drew attention to the ULC's proposal to increase international student enrollment at the college because it's one of the few things they suggested that fits perfectly with Antioch's mission. I don't believe endowment and tuition alone are enough to make the college a dynamic place in the future, I think it will need stable, new sources of income. Seeking out international students is something that ought to be on the agenda of anyone planning a reinvigorated Antioch College. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Jul 4 07:28:23 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 4 07:41:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Veterans at Antioch? Message-ID: In a message dated 7/4/2007 4:43:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, thanos@post.com writes: No, that is just one issue. The issue here is the will of a small liberal arts college to seek out students from other countries. In the last six years, have you reviewed the rules from the Department of Homeland Security for Colleges, Universities and Trade Schools related to what is necessary for a student to be granted a Student Visa for study in the US? It has nothing to do with will -- a whole lot to do with quite specific rules. It is a very different situation today than it was prior to 9/11. The Patriot Act supplied the basics, and DHS has gone hog wild on rule making ever since. As I suggested, both Miami of Ohio and Ohio State have very well professionally staffed Foreign Student Offices -- so ask anyone who works there. If you don't follow the rules you chance being put on a list that refuses all visas. You also chance being black-listed by the Department of Education. And yes, if you want students from Arab or Muslim Countries, you have to deal with their concerns about the "safety" of their students, which is generally interpreted as having a number of them, having a mosque on offer, having a Muslim Student Association and other things. Many large schools have taken significant grants from the Gulf States and the Saudi's to create these things, and the tendency is to let them staff and control them. From all I have seen, the US Government supports this. How do I know about this -- well over the years I have done small scale contract work for our own International Student Center (formerly the Foreign Student Office) -- essentially being available to organize special programs for student groups that through their government or national student association contracted for special courses or programs. Until I retired I usually did one program perhaps every two years on average. I mentioned the year long American Studies program contracted for by the German Government for former E. German American Studies teachers so such teachers could keep jobs or compete for them in the united Germany. That kind of specific contract is far more the norm today than in the distant past, the funder buys the services, and the contractor organizes them to order. Post 9/11 the visa program really discriminated against the independent student, particularly non-graduate students. A good friend of mine is the chief lobbyist for NAFSA, the National Association of Foreign Student Advisors, and she has fought the good fight now for nearly six years, mostly without success. The Republican Congress really didn't want any foreign students at all, and they put in place most of these regulations as part of the Patriot Act and now DHS -- and the Democrats have other concerns, and change will be low priority for them. Now you can suggest zenophobia and other horrid diseases all you want -- but I have worked off and on for over 40 years in this field (My last Co-op Job at Antioch was Academic Coordinator of the very first Peace Corps Training Program -- literally just as the ink was drying on Kennedy's signature on the bill) and I think I know a bit about the field. Yes, Antioch should have a mix of international students, but given the costs of required infrastructure today, it is expensive, and it would in no way easily solve Antioch's financial and enrollment problems. EU students generally have free tuition and stipends for living expenses, transferable within the EU, but not outside it. Tuition grants for US Universities are now nearly totally reserved for advanced grad students and post-doc's. The EU is big into attracting Italian students to study for a year in Poland, for instance, and Czech students to study in Finland. It is a policy about EU integration afterall. It is also about spending Euro's in Euroland. Because of the DHS response to 9/11 the US is simply far less attractive to international students today than in years past. Canada and Australia are much more attractive and laid back as a place to perfect English -- and because various Commonwealth agreements work to the benefit of many African and South Asian students from former British Colonies, particularly at the undergraduate level, they are growing their international student bodies, while the US is shrinking its. I think this is a very serious problem -- I would hope with a new administration some degree of collaboration between those who believe international students are part of "diversity" and administrative officers, will get some traction, but it is not going to be easy to solve so long as security matters dominate how programs are administered. Call people all the names you want, these days you deal with DHS and their control over student visas if you want any program at all. Just yesterday for instance, notice went out that foreign medical fellows would all be re-inspected for security this year (That's medical post doc's and grad students in specialities) and it might take a minimum of six weeks. Well, the fellowship year begins first of August in many cases. And that is because of what happened in London and Scotland last week. This, my friend, is the real world of international education these days. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 09:59:33 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Jul 4 10:13:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This blogtastic fellow is feeling it... keep it up. Specifically.... hit him with more email until he mentions a revivial plan. lets use him as an echo chamber. Try to ignore the fact that he called liberal arts schools strippers. or try and fail. http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/the_demise_of_antioch_college.html The Demise Of Antioch College (Continued) By Henry P. Wickham, Jr. The death of Antioch College is one of those quiet events that may one day be viewed as the marker of a passing of an era. On June 14, 2007 American Thinker published my obituary for Antioch College, the substance of which no one will confuse with "Auld Lang Syne" or "Lysidas." To paraphrase Antioch alumnus, Rod Serling, "Requiem for a Lightweight" may be the more succinct way to describe that substance. My article generated enough of a response from the diaspora of Antioch to merit some elaboration and response. Some correspondents were critical, citing their own good education at Antioch, essentially saying, "You did not go to Antioch College, so what do you know?" With this rhetorical question came such charming descriptions of my article as "irresponsible," "worthless," and "stupid simple." I spent a lot of time in Yellow Springs while growing up nearby. Over the years I went to plays and lectures, sat in the bars, spoke to students, hung out in Glen Helen, etc. I have had the pleasure numerous times of watching Antiochians demonstrating in front of our State House for the cause de jour. My piece wasn't a scientific study based on polling, it was based on my observations. I never once heard or read opinions different from those which made up the gist of what I expressed in my article. I can recall not one statement or argument that had much to say that was good about America, their pronouncements being the usual ones about racist, imperialistic, and genocidal America; in short, the parroting of the likes of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, ad nauseam. Nor was there ever, not once, any opinion expressed by any students that I ever heard or read acknowledging any value for the use of military power for American interests, democratic capitalism, traditional religion, limited government, or those who recognize the perverse incentives of a socialized economy, etc. Even something as mundane as the political graffiti at Antioch was witless sloganeering. What seemed so "intellectual" and "artsy" at the time to this 18 year old was really quite anti-intellectual. As time passed it struck me as I spoke with Antioch's students that the College was more of a Potemkin village, which looked like a liberal arts college but was really a place to get political training and to have one's pre-conceived notions about the evils of America reinforced. This is hardly my idea of a real liberal arts education any more than writing for "Al Jezeera" is journalism. Now I suppose that it is theoretically possible that the classes and dorms at Antioch were just full of wonderful Socratic discussions where issues were reasonably discussed with all alternatives fairly presented, and I suppose that it is possible that this herd of independent minds at Antioch all just happened to arrive at the very same conclusions on all of these issues. If this is what happened, then I stand corrected. However, I seriously doubt that this was the case. I have never been in a group where issues were presented and discussed objectively and fairly, and where so many people wound up with such uniform and predictable opinions. Nor is it only non-alumni or those observing from the outside who are capable of being critical of what Antioch has become. Michael Goldfarb published an article in the June 17, 2007 New York Times. Mr. Goldfarb is an Antioch graduate who entered college the same year that I did. His views from the inside are much the same as mine, which proves the wisdom of that great philosopher, Yogi Berra, who said, "You can observe a lot by watching." One parent raved to me about the good things that Antioch College is doing for her daughter. She told me that "Antioch did not expect students to think out of the box; it expected them to tear down the box and build a new one." It seems to me that a big part of the problem with Antioch is precisely its desire "to tear down the box and build a new one." This desire presupposes that there is nothing in the box worth keeping or cherishing, and it fosters that patronizing impression that students 18-22 years of age have wise ideas of how that box ought to look. When you have a politicized faculty on a campus where people basically think the same, and where these orthodoxies are not really challenged, then that "new box," to use this parent's metaphor, is likely to turn out dull and not terribly new. Another theme of my respondents is that what seems to matter most is that Antioch is an institution that teaches "public service," "activity based learning," and "doing good for humanity." Those phrases, "public service" and "doing good for humanity," are examples of those slippery, self-congratulatory phrases that don't tell me much. Antioch students whom I met over the years consistently promoted themselves this way, while the policies and regimes for which they advocated were often among the most ineffective and murderous of the twentieth century. Antioch's honors for Mumia Abu-Jamal, a man who viciously executed a policeman on the streets of Philadelphia, or the students' years-long celebration of a psychopath like Che Guevara, speak volumes about Antioch's post-1960s pretensions. That there are alumni who are dedicated social workers who are doing good things doesn't excuse the apologetics for regimes and individuals of these stripes. One correspondent, much to my surprise, actually defended the notorious sexual harassment policy of Antioch, noting that it is a reasonable attempt to struggle "with a modern day issue." Here we have Antioch using its authority to set forth a policy, the breach of which, I presume, has consequences. The problem lies in the fact that Antioch does not hold "authority" in terribly high regard as a matter of principle. As a consequence the language in the policy sugarcoats or trivializes it with that infantile "YIPPEE YAHOO YES!". One can almost hear the administrator thinking how hip she really is as this is typed onto the page. Is this a serious policy pretending to be unserious, or is this an unserious policy that is merely pretending to be serious? I suspect that it is the former, and the belief that two ("or more!") 18 year olds would take this policy seriously shows a profound lack of wisdom. (Just a suggestion for the sequel should Antioch revive itself: try teaching the virtues of modesty, self-restraint, and reticence. Now THAT would be countercultural.) I was also criticized for the sarcastic and negative tone of my piece, and to this charge I plead guilty. Yes, I believe the politics so emphasized at Antioch are pernicious and wrong-headed. However, my sarcasm and sense of schadenfreude arise from my indignation, and my indignation arises primarily from Antioch's perversion of what is best in a liberal arts education. A great liberal arts education explores honestly the most basic human issues and mysteries with the greatest minds who have so eloquently and carefully written about them. It is "knowing the best that has ever been thought and said in the world" as Matthew Arnold put it. Unfortunately, the four years that we spend in college are terribly fleeting, and it is a zero sum game. Each hour that an Antioch student earns credit learning how to organize a demonstration and putting slogans on signs, or being indoctrinated with statist politics, or reading a fraud like Rigoberta Menchu or the doggerel of Maya Angelou is an hour that they do not read and contemplate the likes of Shakespeare, Plato, Goethe, Gibbon, or Yeats under what should be the expert guidance of a professor who is engaged enthusiastically with thinkers and artists of this caliber. In Antioch's version of this zero-sum game, the curriculum can easily become just another chronicle of wasted time. If a student managed to avoid this waste of time, then I suspect that it was despite the priorities of institution rather than because if it, and good for him or her. Antioch College is now paying the price for its perverse priorities. What is sadder than Antioch's demise is the fact that this perversion of the curriculum continues unabated in humanities departments at many colleges and universities (Oberlin, Berkeley, Duke, and Cornell immediately come to mind). The main difference between these colleges and universities and Antioch College is that these others, like an aging and heavily made-up stripper, are still well-endowed. Contact Henry P. Wickham, Jr. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From eayres at comcast.net Wed Jul 4 10:52:58 2007 From: eayres at comcast.net (E. Daniel Ayres) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:05:57 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online - More Dirt? In-Reply-To: <468ADBC6.80400@prosperodesign.com> References: <468ADBC6.80400@prosperodesign.com> Message-ID: <007701c7be4b$03968810$0ac39830$@net> Nicholas: Thanks for the somewhat obsolete compensation information. What does it tell us about the position of Antioch's highest paid employees in context? What can we offer to those who would collaborate with the Antioch College Alumnae to save or resurrect the Antioch College residential undergraduate program we all recognize as the "core" of Antioch? It says we've raised enough to pay 2 or maybe three "top employees" for a year in a situation where we need about 20 at that level for several years to provide tenured faculty compensation levels which competitively may still be marginal. Why is this information "Dirt?" To me it is part of the public record. Any one of us willing to make the effort should have been able to obtain and review that data quite some time ago. Unfortunately, probably not enough of us did, or asked questions and took actions based on the record. The fact that Gary made the effort to dig it up and Nicholas chose to post it to this list with that comment speaks to the "toxic soup" argument regarding dialog on and about the Antioch College campus. If we are going to succeed in the mission to save/resurrect Antioch College, this tack is not helpful. Realistically, what does it take to provide the faculty and staff of a high quality undergraduate residential educational program? What can the program design offer which increases efficiency and lowers costs to students and their parents while providing the essential features of an Antioch College educational experience? If there are flaws which need to be addressed in the present model, what changes will produce one which is sustainable? What did the current BoT of AU thoroughly consider before "pulling the plug?" These answers are needed before we can assure investors that their financial commitments are going to "make a difference." Consensus and advocacy for a specific plan will go a long way toward freeing up the kind of support needed to save Antioch College from oblivion. Anything else, like the sniping that started when the very first of the big city commuter programs got started, back in the late '60s, serves only to take away from what should be our primary focus. If you go back to the record of the late '60s, you will find critics warning about the dangerous precedent being set by diluting the mission of the College by offering programs other than the traditional undergraduate program, which at the time, was doing pretty well on a comparative basis. I personally will not support an Antioch College which does not provide realistic/real world student employment as a required curricular element. The changes in calendar made because too many people liked to have "summer vacations" and/or the "only jobs available are 'summer jobs'" introduced yet another systemic problem to the gradually crumbling program IMHO. Maybe in the "new Antioch College" we need to offer the "work your way through" track where employers offer employees or prospective employees they wish to develop and retain the opportunity to study in Yellow Springs one or more quarters a year, and/or occasionally attend one of the big city centers for graduate level courses, until they have obtained enough credits for their degrees, even if the effort takes six to ten years. Maybe we need to take another look at how to best provide the kind of work experiences and discipline as well as the academic instruction that is required to produce outstanding Architects, Design Engineers, Physicians, and Research Scientists in many disciplines and include the elements we find in our plans and proposals. What points of excellence exist in the current programs which deserve preservation without interruption? Can these elements be saved now? Will a kind of 'narrowing of the focus' on a transitional basis be part of a consensus proposal to avoid the BoT mandated shut-down? It seems to me without addressing these hard questions, we are not likely to find the hard cash we need. -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Peterson [mailto:npeterson@prosperodesign.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:29 PM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online > More dirt as I find it > > ----G > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 11:04:01 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:16:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] So... where is that smoking gun burried? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Folks, I was out looking for a smoking gun, because in this, if we have to tell a story that includes villians and malice, we need these villians to have goals that are concrete. A great many people have said that turning Antioch into condos is the real estate swindle, yet nobody on the BoT or the ULC own any land on that corridor and only Glen Watts owns anything in Yellow Springs. Only 1 of them is a registered agent of a corporation in Ohio (dont know about elsewhere yet) and that corporation, although chartered and based in Dayton, owns nothing in greene county. I looked at the colleges considerible landholdings: 248 parcels in greene county of which I looked at 193. I could not get at the other 255 because the tax asserors website is made out of meaness. Somewhere on all this land the smoking gun, like the famed ark of the coveneant and the holy grail, is burried. After discarding looking at the colleges core building, the glen, parcels on hyde and grinnel st, and parcels ajoinging john bryant state park (you know the horace mann monument is only worth $46,000?) , I came up with a short list of properties that point to two additional developement corridors. 1 along SR 343, and one along Jacoby Road south of the little miami leading the and including the clifton road south of John Bryant. These are included at the bottom of the message. I'm going to drop kick the Luwanna Delaney's computer until it gives me the other 55 records and a clearer picture. Okay all you investigative investigators who investigate... go get em... ----G data: 55 acres and an old house at 1074 SR 343 value (building/land/total in thousands) 68 / 481 / 549 1 acre with outbuilding (pole barn?) at 1027 SR 343 Value : 1 / 40 / 41 40 acres outside of the village on SR 343 Value 0 / 225 / 225 3.8 acres on SR 370 outside of town Value 0 / 30 / 30 1 acre with small home at 1039 SR 343 Value 65 / 40 / 105 4 Acres on SR 370 outside of town Value 0 / 38 / 38 70 Acres on Clifton Rd value 0 / 586 / 586 small parcel arce<1 on Jacoby 0 / 5 / 5 18.Acres with small woodframe house at 718 Jacoby 37 / 153 / 190 small parcel acre<1 on Jacoby 0 / 3 / 03 21 acres on Jacoby 0 / 145 / 145 small parcel on jacoby 0 / 1 / 1 35 acres with 17 room brick home at 720 Jacoby 216 / 270 / 487 small parcel on jacoby 0 / 4 / 04 7.acres on Jacoby 0 / 59 / 59 Totals: acres 256 Value 2,468,000 "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From aadole at adelphia.net Wed Jul 4 14:27:21 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:44:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Jonah and Scott, Bob and J. Michael and Thelma In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree with Thelma. This chat list has mesmerized me. Any one's apparently bad idea may have real merit. Let all contribute. Art Dole On 7/3/07 5:26 PM, "Scott Warren" wrote: > Yes! > > Scott > > > Alumni Chat List on Friday, June 29, 2007 at > 2:19 PM wrote: > > >> This discussion is a waste of everyone's time. I suggest no one respond >> to >> these posts and maybe the counter-productive BS will stop. We're all >> better >> than this. >> >> We have a college to save people! >> >> Dawn '83 >> >> >> >> On 6/29/07 10:45 AM, "Thelma Seto" wrote: >> >>> Antiochians often--at least while they were there--like to imagine >>> themselves as radicals. The term radical means "of or pertaining to the >>> root or origin". Lack of money at Antioch College is NOT the problem. >> It >>> is a symptom of the underlying problem. If we throw money at Antioch >>> College, while closing our eyes to the underlying problem, we will be >> back >>> here in another year or two or five going through the same paroxyms. >>> >>> Further, as I understand it, mediation and conflict resolution are >> practices >>> and skills that Antioch--at various locations, not just in YSO--prides >>> itself on. But you are asking that those of us with questions stop >> From aadole at adelphia.net Wed Jul 4 14:41:04 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:58:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/3/07 10:55 PM, "Scott Warren" wrote: > Okay! Okay! I apologize for being so short-tempered, but those of us who > are having our livelihoods taken away from us after so many years of > working so hard to make Antoch such a wonderful learning expierence are > not feeling so well right now. So, if you want to sit on your perch and > take pot shots at us, well, fine. In the meantime, I agree with you that > we should all be working on ways to save the College right now. > > My point was that the times are pretty serious right now. We should be > using this communication forum to find ways to help save the College, and > not fight out old battles from times past. What's the point? And that's > what is happening too often on this list. That was all I meant. > > My best to you Trisha, > > Scott > > > lumni Chat List on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 > at 12:47 AM wrote: > > >> May I suggest that calling people "bickering lunatics" is highly >> unlikely to produce the desired result of non-bickering and is in fact >> a classic example of a bicker? >> >> Perhaps when the fine people responsible for antiochians.org have a >> moment to breathe they will create forums for people who want to talk >> about the issues that may not be directly related to the task at hand, >> that are, at least in the mind of the bickerers, more about strategic >> decisions. As well as forums for those who want to talk tactics and >> specific organizing tasks. Or want to yell at each other. (Ah, good >> times....) >> >> Until then, the alumni chat list is all we have, so if you (second >> person plural) don't want to take part in a particular thread why don't >> you just ignore it? If interest is low it will die. If it is only two >> or three people taking part in it and you know those people or the >> subject thread then you can delete it without reading it if you're not >> interested. We are unmoderated and those who wish to flame will flame. >> Those who wish not to read the flames must therefore not read them. >> It's actually quite simple. >> >> At the same time, this chat is for all Antioch alumni whether they >> agree with me or not. It would be so very lovely if I were Queen of >> the Universe but this is not to be, so all those fools too stupid to >> know that I am correct about everything one hundred percent of the time >> must be allowed to express their thoughts. Darn. >> >> The threatened closing of Antioch may make us crazy but we don't have >> to act crazy. >> >> Trisha Arlin '75 >> >> >> On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:30 AM, Scott Warren wrote: >> >>> Yes, Callie is right. Will all the bickering lunatics get off this >>> list >>> and save it for those who have positive ideas about saving the College? >>> Take it somewhere else! Otherwise we will have to take the >>> constructive >>> talk somewhere else. We're fighting for the life of one of the most >>> important colleges in the history of higher education here. Please >>> keep a >>> focus on our task. Thank you for listening! >>> >>> best, >>> >>> Scott Warren >>> Philosophy & Political Science >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> > > > > > Scott--This is not a bicker. How can we help save your job? What specific actions have the faculty taken? Lawyer? AAUP? Keep us posted. Am I right that the root of the problem may be that AU has stolen the College--its plant, its endowment, its faculty and staff. Since AC created AU (going back to Dixon) How does AC reclaim AU and then cast the four branches (all but McGregor) loose? Just venting. Art From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 11:53:11 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:05:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Scott--This is not a bicker. How can we help save your job? What specific >actions have the faculty taken? Lawyer? AAUP? Keep us posted. > >Am I right that the root of the problem may be that AU has stolen the >College--its plant, its endowment, its faculty and staff. Since AC created >AU (going back to Dixon) How does AC reclaim AU and then cast the four >branches (all but McGregor) loose? > >Just venting. Art > Perhaps we shouldnt cast them loose. They might not be bad cash cows to ride. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 4 12:05:26 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:17:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [DC] Fundraising is Key! Important Update!!!! In-Reply-To: <001501c7be4e$783d0560$6401a8c0@EGFLaptop> References: <,> <001501c7be4e$783d0560$6401a8c0@EGFLaptop> Message-ID: info@dc.antiochians.org on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 at 11:17 AM -0500 wrote: > >One concern I have is that there are all sorts of postings to all sorts of >lists, and we don't have a good way to analyze what's being written - few >authoritative sources of information, and even that seems to be scattered. >What's the current budget for 2007-2008? What's the budget after whatever >cuts have been made as of whatever recent date? What's the shortfall for >2007-2008? (I don't think it's going to be anything like $10M, but I >don't >have the numbers to prove it.) Etc., etc. Hi Ernie, The long and short of it is that the College's CFO was eliminated in 2002. Since that time we have had only sporadic budget reports, and in the last year, we have not seen a budget and so can't determine (a) exactly how the College performed, or (b) how other potentially troubled campuses of the University performed, or (c) how the College's endowment performed (quite well, we suspect, with the endowment growth being recorded at the University, rather than as an offset to deficits at the College). Further, the figure $50 million has been thrown around, and I'm not sure anyone has a clear sense of what comprises that number. Does it include deferred maintenance? Does it include repaying deficits to the adult campuses? Does it merely reflect projected operating deficits (the numbers and projections used in the declaration of financial exigency bear no resemblance to anything that those of us on the campus have seen before)? Without financial statements or a CFO, we simply don't know. > > >Incidentally, I do think that the College is going to need big bucks - >certainly tens of millions of dollars - to repair the college physical >facilities and grounds - but I don't think that this necessarily needs to >be >raised solely by alumni contributions in the near future. I haven't been >party to College budgeting decisions over the years, but I suspect that >there's been relatively little planning for what it takes to keep the >campus >in good shape, and it's just too easy to put off maintenance for a few >years, and then a few years more... So in a decade, the College has a >major >problem with plant, no longer just a maintenance issue. That can't be >allowed to continue, if indeed we can save the College at this point. When I finished my co-op as President in 2001, the College was looking at $20m in deferred maintenance. I have to imagine that the number has grown since then, and I'm not sure the College can live off its capital for any extended periods of time. Bob Devine > From dawn at mediawonk.com Wed Jul 4 12:24:07 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:36:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or we could ignore him. On 7/4/07 6:59 AM, "Gerry Bello" wrote: > > This blogtastic fellow is feeling it... keep it up. > > Specifically.... hit him with more email until he mentions a revivial plan. > lets use him as an echo chamber. Try to ignore the fact that he called > liberal arts schools strippers. or try and fail. > > > http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/the_demise_of_antioch_college.html > > The Demise Of Antioch College (Continued) > By Henry P. Wickham, Jr. > The death of Antioch College is one of those quiet events that may one day > be viewed as the marker of a passing of an era. On June 14, 2007 American > Thinker published my obituary for Antioch College, the substance of which no > one will confuse with "Auld Lang Syne" or "Lysidas." To paraphrase Antioch > alumnus, Rod Serling, "Requiem for a Lightweight" may be the more succinct > way to describe that substance. My article generated enough of a response > from the diaspora of Antioch to merit some elaboration and response. > > Some correspondents were critical, citing their own good education at > Antioch, essentially saying, "You did not go to Antioch College, so what do > you know?" With this rhetorical question came such charming descriptions of > my article as "irresponsible," "worthless," and "stupid simple." > > I spent a lot of time in Yellow Springs while growing up nearby. Over the > years I went to plays and lectures, sat in the bars, spoke to students, hung > out in Glen Helen, etc. I have had the pleasure numerous times of watching > Antiochians demonstrating in front of our State House for the cause de jour. > My piece wasn't a scientific study based on polling, it was based on my > observations. I never once heard or read opinions different from those which > made up the gist of what I expressed in my article. I can recall not one > statement or argument that had much to say that was good about America, > their pronouncements being the usual ones about racist, imperialistic, and > genocidal America; in short, the parroting of the likes of Noam Chomsky and > Howard Zinn, ad nauseam. Nor was there ever, not once, any opinion > expressed by any students that I ever heard or read acknowledging any value > for the use of military power for American interests, democratic capitalism, > traditional religion, limited government, or those who recognize the > perverse incentives of a socialized economy, etc. Even something as mundane > as the political graffiti at Antioch was witless sloganeering. > > What seemed so "intellectual" and "artsy" at the time to this 18 year old > was really quite anti-intellectual. As time passed it struck me as I spoke > with Antioch's students that the College was more of a Potemkin village, > which looked like a liberal arts college but was really a place to get > political training and to have one's pre-conceived notions about the evils > of America reinforced. This is hardly my idea of a real liberal arts > education any more than writing for "Al Jezeera" is journalism. > > Now I suppose that it is theoretically possible that the classes and dorms > at Antioch were just full of wonderful Socratic discussions where issues > were reasonably discussed with all alternatives fairly presented, and I > suppose that it is possible that this herd of independent minds at Antioch > all just happened to arrive at the very same conclusions on all of these > issues. If this is what happened, then I stand corrected. However, I > seriously doubt that this was the case. I have never been in a group where > issues were presented and discussed objectively and fairly, and where so > many people wound up with such uniform and predictable opinions. > > Nor is it only non-alumni or those observing from the outside who are > capable of being critical of what Antioch has become. Michael Goldfarb > published an article in the June 17, 2007 New York Times. Mr. Goldfarb is > an Antioch graduate who entered college the same year that I did. His views > from the inside are much the same as mine, which proves the wisdom of that > great philosopher, Yogi Berra, who said, "You can observe a lot by > watching." > > One parent raved to me about the good things that Antioch College is doing > for her daughter. She told me that "Antioch did not expect students to > think out of the box; it expected them to tear down the box and build a new > one." > > It seems to me that a big part of the problem with Antioch is precisely its > desire "to tear down the box and build a new one." This desire presupposes > that there is nothing in the box worth keeping or cherishing, and it fosters > that patronizing impression that students 18-22 years of age have wise ideas > of how that box ought to look. When you have a politicized faculty on a > campus where people basically think the same, and where these orthodoxies > are not really challenged, then that "new box," to use this parent's > metaphor, is likely to turn out dull and not terribly new. > > Another theme of my respondents is that what seems to matter most is that > Antioch is an institution that teaches "public service," "activity based > learning," and "doing good for humanity." Those phrases, "public service" > and "doing good for humanity," are examples of those slippery, > self-congratulatory phrases that don't tell me much. Antioch students whom > I met over the years consistently promoted themselves this way, while the > policies and regimes for which they advocated were often among the most > ineffective and murderous of the twentieth century. Antioch's honors for > Mumia Abu-Jamal, a man who viciously executed a policeman on the streets of > Philadelphia, or the students' years-long celebration of a psychopath like > Che Guevara, speak volumes about Antioch's post-1960s pretensions. That > there are alumni who are dedicated social workers who are doing good things > doesn't excuse the apologetics for regimes and individuals of these stripes. > > One correspondent, much to my surprise, actually defended the notorious > sexual harassment policy of Antioch, noting that it is a reasonable attempt > to struggle "with a modern day issue." Here we have Antioch using its > authority to set forth a policy, the breach of which, I presume, has > consequences. The problem lies in the fact that Antioch does not hold > "authority" in terribly high regard as a matter of principle. As a > consequence the language in the policy sugarcoats or trivializes it with > that infantile "YIPPEE YAHOO YES!". One can almost hear the administrator > thinking how hip she really is as this is typed onto the page. Is this a > serious policy pretending to be unserious, or is this an unserious policy > that is merely pretending to be serious? I suspect that it is the former, > and the belief that two ("or more!") 18 year olds would take this policy > seriously shows a profound lack of wisdom. (Just a suggestion for the sequel > should Antioch revive itself: try teaching the virtues of modesty, > self-restraint, and reticence. Now THAT would be countercultural.) > > I was also criticized for the sarcastic and negative tone of my piece, and > to this charge I plead guilty. Yes, I believe the politics so emphasized at > Antioch are pernicious and wrong-headed. However, my sarcasm and sense of > schadenfreude arise from my indignation, and my indignation arises primarily > from Antioch's perversion of what is best in a liberal arts education. > > A great liberal arts education explores honestly the most basic human issues > and mysteries with the greatest minds who have so eloquently and carefully > written about them. It is "knowing the best that has ever been thought and > said in the world" as Matthew Arnold put it. > > Unfortunately, the four years that we spend in college are terribly > fleeting, and it is a zero sum game. Each hour that an Antioch student > earns credit learning how to organize a demonstration and putting slogans on > signs, or being indoctrinated with statist politics, or reading a fraud like > Rigoberta Menchu or the doggerel of Maya Angelou is an hour that they do not > read and contemplate the likes of Shakespeare, Plato, Goethe, Gibbon, or > Yeats under what should be the expert guidance of a professor who is engaged > enthusiastically with thinkers and artists of this caliber. In Antioch's > version of this zero-sum game, the curriculum can easily become just another > chronicle of wasted time. If a student managed to avoid this waste of time, > then I suspect that it was despite the priorities of institution rather than > because if it, and good for him or her. > > Antioch College is now paying the price for its perverse priorities. What > is sadder than Antioch's demise is the fact that this perversion of the > curriculum continues unabated in humanities departments at many colleges and > universities (Oberlin, Berkeley, Duke, and Cornell immediately come to > mind). The main difference between these colleges and universities and > Antioch College is that these others, like an aging and heavily made-up > stripper, are still well-endowed. > > Contact Henry P. Wickham, Jr. > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:27:11 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:39:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: International students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I do not know the current DHS rules. I do know that after 9/11, a lot of international students finished up as soon as they could at OU (or transferred back to universities in their home countries) and got out of here. We still have a large international community, but it is very difficult for them to attend school in this country. An Indian student was just found floating in the river (which we are jokingly calling a creek this summer because of the severe drought in the region) this past weekend; the police are treating it as a suspicious death and doing an autopsy. DHS rules and a hostile environment aside, and both of those are serious considerations for any international student, no matter their nationality, I was educated overseas among people who could afford to pay the full tuition of any American university or college. I was the only one in my class to consider anything approaching an alternative college. Everyone else chose their school of choice according to its academic reputation. I'd say at least half the boys in my class wanted to go to Harvard (none did, but several got into some comparable Ivy League schools, about which they were very disappointed). Others went to prestigious state schools, including the U of Ill at Bloomington, UCLA, etc. Reed, Middlebury, Swarthmore, Bryn Mawr, Sarah Lawrence, Bennington, Vassar, Smith, Dartmouth, etc. and then "lesser" schools like the College of Wooster, Clark, etc. At this point, FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, Antioch is not in the running. That isn't to say that Antioch did not have a very good reputation when I was a high school student. I was told it was one of the six best schools in the U.S. when I was applying (not the reason I came here, however). Nevertheless, it was not a school anyone considered going to. For one thing, given its reputation as being a hot bed of radicals, if you came from a police state--as I did, though I was an American national so this was a positive to me--going to Antioch would mark you with the government and CIA surveillance people, of whom there were many lurking in my school, as a subversive and dissident. NOT something you wanted in your file--then or now, especially if you planned on going home and using your American education to better the conditions in your own country. At that time, and probably now, teens and young 20-somethings were disappearing off the streets at a noticeable rate. This isn't hyperbole. It seems to me that if you want to create a wider-reaching admissions strategy, there is a serious need for schools with the sensitivity and flexibility to provide a solid college education for the growing numbers of kids with environmentally caused learning disabilities. ADHD and other neurologically damaged people, as well as the huge numbers of kids identified with "learning problems" like dyslexia, etc. comprise a huge potential pool of possible students. These are not people who are dumb--they just learn differently and have significant gifts in areas the standard curriculum does not always recognize. There is federal and state funding for the education of kids with these labels and it is a growing industry. Plus, there are a lot of foundations who will fund special programs in this field. The issue of bringing in more international students is extremely vulnerable to the current (and daily fluctuating) international situation. There are many issues most home-grown Americans are not aware of and do not have to concern themselves with. Additionally, there are several people on the current Antioch faculty who know more about this than any of those presently participating on this chat. Ask them what they think of this idea. (I suggest you do this in private.) It isn't a bad idea. It's just fraught with a lot of problems. As far as students from the Middle East and Africa, and to a lesser degree from South Asia (the Indian subcontinent), many people I have "spoken" with on the Internet say they would not consider coming to this country because of the scapegoating that is going on here. Even if they are not Muslim, it doesn't matter. Americans do not distinguish between one kind of foreignness and another, in many cases. No one from that part of the world would mistake a Sikh for a Muslim, but it happens all the time in the U.S. Nor do most Americans seem to understand that Christianity and Judaism were begun in the M.E. and there are sizably populations of Middle Easterners who are NOT Muslim. They do not trust our ignorance. And most want technical degrees that will lead to post-graduate work at highly prestigious universities. Thelma _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:29:52 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:42:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ignoring illness permits its unchecked progression _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 4 12:44:06 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 4 12:56:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bickering Lunatics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gerry Bello writes: Howdy all, The communications group is looking to collect narratives about Antioch. In a very general form, this will be on the website and allow people to talk about why the College is worth having around. In its specific form, we're looking for people who can be exemplar Antiochians to share with potential donors for fundraising (especially recent grads). Send me an email if you'd like to tell your story, or talk about a friend of yours who's doing great things, heralded or unheralded. Also, this doesn't have to be text-only. If you have photos or movies or artwork or anything multi-media, tell me about it and we can see how it'll fit in. Put your energy to constructive use! Thanks! Rowan Kaiser '05 From ilse1 at comcast.net Wed Jul 4 16:24:33 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Wed Jul 4 16:37:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] blessing and curse References: <8C98B9BF9310DE5-5A8-2BA2@WEBMAIL-RD09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01d701c7be79$55768760$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Learned this from Dick Cheney, did they? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] blessing and curse > Toni,the Board,and Steve.............have a plan an agenda which > they are not at present comfortable enough to share with the rest of > us.Reading the Chancellors statement one can't help feeling that the > University powers feel so strongly about tenured faculty that they would > break bones in the College and let the ground lie fallow for years inorder > to exorcise the evil.In closing the College they effectively declared war > on the tenured faculty,and relegated to themselves the task to be the > College's sole rejuvenator.The Alumni not on the board are a cash cow,that > is more to be humored than included,and if it is riled now it will produce > more $$$ milk and then presently go back to docile grazing.The Board holds > the power and only vast sums of money or a court injunction will deter > them from their present course,they have the best of intentions......I am > sure...Except for certain reasons it is better for the present that they > not share them. sc 76 > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 7/3/2007 10:02 AM > > From vegetationanddimes at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 17:30:20 2007 From: vegetationanddimes at gmail.com (spelled out phonetically) Date: Wed Jul 4 17:43:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Legal Consulting Message-ID: This is likely a long shot, but if the question of legal assistance remains in any degree, I wonder if any faculty, alumi, or associates of the David A. Clarke School of Law in DC would have an interest in donating their time and expertise to legal pursuits/questions/investigations? Seeing as they started out as an Antioch College off-shoot, and they already have a history of separating from Antioch University... link to school and wiki below: http://www.law.udc.edu/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Clarke_School_of_Law Gail Beck (Just that one year around 94). From santcooper at aol.com Wed Jul 4 18:53:54 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 4 19:06:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] bong hits for jesus! Message-ID: <8C98CA5552CC2F8-1F5C-35A8@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Or no you can't have my sense of humor,I'm using it. I was talking to a fellow Anticochian ( since its all unreal anyway we're trying to make sense of it) "maybe" I said" some one goes to the board and says I got these backers who'll give me X number of millions " I can sell 'em on the renewal plan but in return they want their own seat on a seperate board created for the college whatya say." Board, well doesn't make sense to hang tight if theres the promise of X but we might as well do it right and get rid of all that dead weight ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Disclaimer the previous statement is totally made up and has no bearing on reality "What you expected the Truth??" "You can't handle the Truth!!!!"...........Happy 4th to one and all no exceptions! ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Jul 5 07:04:40 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 5 07:17:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: International students Message-ID: In a message dated 7/4/2007 11:27:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tgseto@hotmail.com writes: It isn't a bad idea. It's just fraught with a lot of problems. As far as students from the Middle East and Africa, and to a lesser degree from South Asia (the Indian subcontinent), many people I have "spoken" with on the Internet say they would not consider coming to this country because of the scapegoating that is going on here. Even if they are not Muslim, it doesn't matter. Americans do not distinguish between one kind of foreignness and another, in many cases. No one from that part of the world would mistake a Sikh for a Muslim, but it happens all the time in the U.S. Nor do most Americans seem to understand that Christianity and Judaism were begun in the M.E. and there are sizably populations of Middle Easterners who are NOT Muslim. They do not trust our ignorance. Thelma, I agree with much of what you have observed. Many of our Middle East Students quickly wrapped up degrees -- some arranged to defend thesis over internet hook-ups, in large measure because they were not permitted multiple entrance and exit visas, and at times a new visa might take six months of so to process. It is outlandish, but I can think of few in Congress who would raise a voice, even now. But there is a huge International Community in our midst that is highly motivated to find appropriate Higher Education services, and we never think of them. There are more than the two I am familiar with, but the Hmong Community and the Somali community have either refugee status and green cards, or have already received their citizenship, and they are organized to push their children to achieve in High School and move on to College. Mpls happens to have the largest settlement of both in the US, and with some special programs for teens, both the private colleges and the University have done very well in moving this generation into College. The Hmong, you may remember, fought with the CIA during the Vietnam War, and essentially got left behind when we pulled out of Laos -- they faced genocide, walked over the mountains to Thailand and refugee camps, and after a long wait, finally were provided with refugee status in the US. They were a mountain subsistence farming people, had no written language at all, and certainly didn't know much about living in a land of 5 months of Winter. (The U of Minnesota Linguistics folk created a written language for them). Many problems, many cultural misunderstandings, but things now seem to be going well, and it is that generation that came as grade school aged kids who are now in college or starting businesses, or moving into professions. (The first law grad, an interesting style feminist, is now in the State Senate). Counting those in Community College, it looks like the Hmong youth are attending college at a rate slightly higher than native born Minnesotans. The camps in Thailand were closed last year, so the last group are just now beginning the assimilation process. Anyhow, the private colleges here have successfully recruited in the Hmong Community, and the students are doing well and adding diversity to the campuses. The Somali are more recent arrivals, most come out of refugee camps in Kenya, some before 9/11, and then there was a long pause, and recently more have arrived having waited in tent camps 4-5 years for security clearance. Just in the last few years the first group are getting citizenship. But they too are strongly motivated toward Education, and in the last couple of years you see many more on the U Campus, and on the urban Community College campuses. (you see many older students there too). The pattern I see that may be evolving is that women are studying in traditional women's fields, nursing, K-12 teaching, Social Work, with some being a little more adventuresome and doing IT degrees. Men are trying to start businesses, driving limo and taxi, working in service jobs. Lots of effort will be required to get the males in this culture to prep for college and then attend. (I think it will be fairly well sex segregated for at least a generation.). Some of the private colleges here abouts are now trying to start a college prep after school or summer program for the Jr. High and High School boys in this community, and we'll have to see how it eventually works out. We were so lucky last year that the DFL endorsed Keith Ellison to run for Congress out of our 14 possible candidates all of whom opposed the war in Iraq. Keith, if you missed it, is an African American Muslim, a Lawyer who had served three terms in the Minnesota House, and had done much work in criminal and immigration law before he announced for Congress. It is a totally safe DFL seat, so 25 years from now Keith will be Chair of the Judiciary Committee. Anyhow, once he got our endorsement, he pulled the whole Somali Community into his campaign -- Citizens and not yet Citizens, and what previously had not been particularly relevant (how do you run a political campaign?) suddenly became knowledge you had to have. It wasn't a "citizenship test" -- it was in many ways the hands-on old fashioned co-op job. I trained some of his campaign volunteers, and absolutely no detail about elections, and the responsibilities of elected officials was to obscure for this crowd to know. Anyhow, this is a fascinating new group of Americans and probable Americans, for whom Higher Education seems to be becoming much more relevant, and who would not, once they have citizenship, be subject to the whims of DHS. (I think I found at least a dozen potential lawyers last summer in this group -- now to get their citizenship, and get them into College.) It was just fascinating to watch young men and women comprehend -- a Muslim can be a Lawyer? Yep, A Muslim can serve in the State Legislature? Yep, A Muslim can run for Congress with a chance to win under a major party endorsement? Yep, Lutherans will vote for a Muslim? Yep. He can hold campaign events in the largest Jewish Synagogue in town? Yep. Not all Americans are wingnuts. Now, there is another huge, and I mean huge, essentially "new American" group that only the Roman Catholics seem to be tending to, and that's the roughly 12 - 20 million Hispanic undocumented workers living and working here. As many may know, one of the big issues is whether the children of these workers who graduate with good grades from American High Schools can go to state colleges and universities or community colleges at in-state tuition rates, and/or receive normal grants and loans fitted to the system. Many of these young people have been in the US since they were babies, they know nothing of El Salvador or Mexico, but if they make one little mistake, they can be deported with literally no hearing. They don't have a route to citizenship -- except, yea, one big exception, they can volunteer for the Army or the Marines, and earn their citizenship "that way." Legislatures around the country are trying to pass no questions about documented status in-state tuition waivers for this group -- but getting lots of anti-immigrant flack. (but they still can't access things like loans or Pell Grants, because they ask "the question" and if someone checks the wrong box, and it is found out, it is instant deportation. But the Catholic Schools are very nicely not asking the questions, using their scholarship money to cover most costs, and making admissions offers to the high achievers among the High School Grads. We need lots more private colleges to figure how to do this, and get engaged. In that rough estimate of 12 - 20 million Undocumented Worker families, I would estimate at least half a million children and young adults in High School or recently graduated with decent grades, in precisely this situation. These, by the way, are not potential students who bring money to the table, but if they see opportunity, they are highly motivated. Except for the last group, which if ICE catches them they are subject to instant deportation to a country they do not know, these are international students who would provide diversity in any college community, and who with much less infrastructure in staffing, could be what people are looking for. I am sure most Antiochians can read their own communities and know of similar cohorts for whom a classic Antioch Education might be attractive. (This assumes a re-opened college with the Academic Enterprise at its core.) In another post a couple of weeks ago I started to tell a piece of old Antioch History -- but I want to provide the whole narrative. Back in 1931-32, Edward R. Murrow was elected President (compromise candidate) of the National Student Federation. Out of Pullman Washington, he went off to New York and assumed his office -- one which required that he travel nearly constantly among campuses in the Federation, visiting chapters, and then in the summers, represent American Students at the international conference in Belgium. As a side job to this, he also represented IIE, the Institute of International Education, an old line outfit dealing with exchanges of students. So after the conference for two summers, he would travel Europe, visit Education Ministries, visit Universities, organize the details of exchanges. In the process, he made many contacts, but the most significant were those destined to become exiles or pitched into concentration camps, (or worse), and beginning in 1933 through IIE he worked to place these outcast scholars and students at safe places in American Academia. When he left IIE and the E mergency Committee for CBS in the mid 1930's he had a list of 2000 people in great danger needing help. Of those he placed over 600. Antioch one way or another found a way to put 12 off Murrow's list on the faculty, or in some sort of teaching role that past muster with the grantors of visas. (remember, this was the bottom of the Great Depression, and Antioch Faculty worked under major pay cuts, as did many American Academics) But Harvard took 0, and Yale took 0, and Princeton took 0, and Dartmouth took 0 -- and I could go on and on about our High Status institutions. Once it was clear and networked around the country, word was that not only did Antioch offer safe harbor to these academics in need -- it also had no Jewish Quota. Gradually what this meant was a huge increase in Jewish applicants who wanted High Quality -- but didn't want to mess with places that did the quota dance. The result was that by the early 60's, the Antioch Student Body was, according to Jim Dixon's book, 37% Jewish, with another 10% indicating Jewish background. The next largest Religious/cultural identities were Unitarian and Quaker. Put mildly, it was hardly a cross section of America. It also didn't really represent those old transcendentalists from New England. (Well maybe it did in evolved fashion.) So what happened to change all this? Well something Antiochian's fought in the trenches for actually, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which among other things, outlawed the use of Quotas in College and University admissions if a school had ever accepted any Federal Aid. (Antioch Had). What this forced was a complete change in policy at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Dartmouth and many other such places. They had discriminated, and they were subject to review of their affirmative action programs. In fact, the Quota system was such in the mid 1960's that the U of Minnesota had admissions quotas for Medicine and Law that were, 2 women in each entering class, 2 African Americans in an entering class, and no more than 10% Jewish in an entering class. In 1966 the first classes at MN entering under new policy based on merit were 20% women -- today both Law and Medicine are about 50-50. They are not allowed to count Jews anymore. I would bet that virtually all other Big Ten Universities had the same policies, and saw the same change pattern. One needs to comprehend that this actually changed a pattern that had long benefited Antioch, but ending quotas, and what they stood for, while something Antioch had long fought for, was also probably a causal element in the change in Antioch's fortunes. It clearly is not the only element in the pattern -- but it needs to be considered, and I would suggest considered in the context that goes back to that set of decisions in the early and mid 1930's to reach out and offer safe harbor to those who badly needed to leave Europe. At the time, that was a risk -- but it turned out to be a very smart decision. I think any New Antioch needs to reflect on that process -- that little slice of a tragic history, and look about and see how some of the same values can be replicated in 21st century conditions. Thus my examples of the Hmong, the Somali people, and the excluded and unprotected children of the Undocumented Workers. I think perhaps those are the victories for humanity we are supposed to be about. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 08:53:03 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:05:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Narrative is shifting (press) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Transcript of a radio segement thats more even handed. Lets keep it up the press is shifting our way people. http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2007-07-04-voa2.cfm Historic Antioch College Faces an Unsure Future A shortage of students and money leads to a disputed plan to close the Ohio school next July and reopen in 2012. Transcript of radio broadcast: 04 July 2007 MP3 - Download Audio audio clip Listen to MP3 audio clip Listen in RealAudio audio clip This is the VOA Special English Education Report. Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is a private liberal-arts school with a Antioch College Antioch College history of social activism. It was the first American college to name a woman as a full professor and one of the first to admit students of all races. Antioch also became one of the first to offer work study programs, so students could gain experience in jobs. And it was among the first to stop using grades to record progress. A Protestant group known as the Christian Church started Antioch College in eighteen fifty-two. Even in those days it was different from most other American colleges because it admitted women as well as men. During the nineteen sixties, Antioch students were active in the civil rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War. At that time, the college had more than two thousand students. But times changed. In nineteen seventy-eight Antioch University was created. Antioch College became the undergraduate residential program. But it has struggled with a shortage of students and money. School officials say students are rejecting the college because it lacks modern dormitories, wireless Internet or new athletic buildings. The number of students has dropped to only four hundred this past year. Now, the university Board of Trustees has voted to suspend operations at Antioch College next July. School officials say the goal is reopen the college in two thousand twelve. They say they want to raise enough money to design what they call a twenty-first century campus. Today Antioch University has five other campuses around the country designed to serve working adults. The closure will not affect the other campuses. Some people say Antioch's expansion is one reason the college is in financial trouble. But university officials say the other campuses have been helping to support Antioch College. They say the college has been operating at a loss for several years. Antioch College has been closed and reopened three times already in its history, for financial and other reasons. Teachers and former students have talked about the possibility of legal action to try to stop the new plan. The Antioch College Alumni Association has been collecting money to try to keep the school from closing again -- or at least make sure it reopens. And that's the VOA Special English Education Report, written by Nancy Steinbach. To learn more about American education, go to voaspecialenglish.com. I'm Steve Ember. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 09:39:17 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Thu Jul 5 09:52:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: Antioch LA now fully accredited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So.... apparently other moves happen behind out backs. With the full accreditation of this facility do they no longer need the Olive Kettering Library? Where exactly does this put us strategically? Can we turn this back on them as a dirty trick to get egg on their face? Spin... We need Spin ----G http://www.prleap.com/pr/84110/ Antioch University Los Angeles Granted Full and Complete WASC Accreditation CULVER CITY, CALIFORNIA July 05, 2007 Education News (PRLEAP.COM) Culver City, CA July 5, 2007 Antioch University Los Angeles (AULA) today announced that it had been granted full and complete accreditation status from the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC) effective June 15, 2007. WASC is synonymous with quality, creativity, innovation and courageous leadership in higher education within the US stated Antioch University Los Angeles President, Dr. Neal King. Antiochs roots are nourished by the same vital juices. AULA has long benefited from continuous accreditation by the Higher Learning Commission (HLC) of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (NCA), as a campus of Antioch University. The recent application to transfer accreditation from NCA to the Western Association of Schools and Colleges (WASC) was undertaken, in part, to eliminate any complications related to being an out-of-state accredited institution but also to allow AULA to participate more fully in Californias regional Higher Education community. Dr. King added, After 35 years serving the diverse communities of the greater Los Angeles area, Antioch University Los Angeles is honored and delighted to join our WASC colleagues in ensuring our students, faculty and communities of the highest quality and most socially responsible - contribution that colleges and universities can possibly make to the collective good. The effective date of Antiochs transfer of accreditation to WASC was timed to coincide with Antiochs recent commencement activities, held on June 15th at the Orpheum Theater in Downtown Los Angeles. Over 150 students from AULAs undergraduate and graduate programs participated in commencement exercises and became the first class to receive their diplomas from the newly WASC accredited institution. This transfer of accreditation to WASC is a testament to the tremendous dedication of our faculty, staff and students stated Interim Dean of Academic Affairs, Susan Nero, Ph.D. Antioch continues to place a strong emphasis on the adult learner, providing an innovative approach to life-long learning that encourages the full potential of each student. Additionally, the transfer to WASC accreditation will better position Antioch University Los Angeles for continued growth within the geographical region, as well as providing an increased ability for the Antioch community to further the mission of the University by providing new opportunities for both students and faculty. Antioch University Los Angeles proudly continues to build on the legacy of Antioch College, particularly now as the college prepares to suspend operations for a period of time added Dr. King. This accreditation decision represents for AULA an affirmation of our diverse learning community, our innovative academic model, and the high quality of our curriculum and faculty. For more information on Antioch University Los Angeles, please visit our website at www.antiochla.edu or contact Joanna Gerber at (310) 578-1080 x 119. About This Release If you have any questions regarding information in these press releases please contact the organization listed in the press release. Issuers of press releases and not PR Leap are solely responsible for the accuracy of the content. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. 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Transcript of radio broadcast: >04 July 2007 > >MP3 - Download Audio audio clip >Listen to MP3 audio clip >Listen in RealAudio audio clip > >This is the VOA Special English Education Report. > >Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio, is a private liberal-arts school >with a >Antioch College >Antioch College >history of social activism. It was the first American college to name a >woman as a full professor and one of the first to admit students of all >races. > >Antioch also became one of the first to offer work study programs, so >students could gain experience in jobs. And it was among the first to stop >using grades to record progress. > >A Protestant group known as the Christian Church started Antioch College in >eighteen fifty-two. Even in those days it was different from most other >American colleges because it admitted women as well as men. > >During the nineteen sixties, Antioch students were active in the civil >rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War. At that time, the >college had more than two thousand students. But times changed. > >In nineteen seventy-eight Antioch University was created. Antioch College >became the undergraduate residential program. > >But it has struggled with a shortage of students and money. School >officials say students are rejecting the college because it lacks modern >dormitories, wireless Internet or new athletic buildings. The number of >students has dropped to only four hundred this past year. > >Now, the university Board of Trustees has voted to suspend operations at >Antioch College next July. School officials say the goal is reopen the >college in two thousand twelve. They say they want to raise enough money to >design what they call a twenty-first century campus. > >Today Antioch University has five other campuses around the country >designed to serve working adults. The closure will not affect the other >campuses. > >Some people say Antioch's expansion is one reason the college is in >financial trouble. But university officials say the other campuses have >been helping to support Antioch College. They say the college has been >operating at a loss for several years. > >Antioch College has been closed and reopened three times already in its >history, for financial and other reasons. Teachers and former students have >talked about the possibility of legal action to try to stop the new plan. >The Antioch College Alumni Association has been collecting money to try to >keep the school from closing again -- or at least make sure it reopens. > >And that's the VOA Special English Education Report, written by Nancy >Steinbach. To learn more about American education, go to >voaspecialenglish.com. I'm Steve Ember. > > > >"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about >that. 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Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 10:01:03 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:13:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures Message-ID: This is Duffy'77 at the Library (THE BIG OLIVE) early in the AM.... 41 year Community member 31 year staff Alumni Board Associate ( means term-limited), UE rep for most of three decades at intervals Also ADCIL and COMCIL reps. at intervals....even budget committe til March 15 of this year So I have a fairly decent amount of our culture in my head.. Just no advanced degrees.... Thanks to those good intentioned folks who are trying to keep the baby and the bath water from being tossed out. First of all...as I have told everyone before...I live in Dayton in the hood where many folks live an urban nightmare and then commute to YS where folks are busy working on dreams....of better lives....and I DO serve directly two campuses... and do tiny patron load things from Antioch New England, and the West Coast entities as well. McGregor students are out to get more advanced degrees in most instances and move on to better lives. They are busy multi-tasking adults......they will often call me on the phone from their offices at work.....especially those in the teacher ed field. One person in the Principalship program called me and I could hardly hear him because of the screaming middle school kids in the background. Others call from their cell phones..asking me to order their OHIOLINK (Interlibrary loan) items because their boss at work won't let them use their computer. While they talk to me, of course their cell phones fade in and out....and then I have the occasional lunch time call....you haven't lived until someone is talking to you while chewing on their lunch. What was that title? Folks order lots of OHIOLINK items and the day before yesterday twice young women came in each with at least two children..yanking their chains...and cell phones ringing. I pledge to the last person on earth with a cell phone. and as soon as they picked up their stuff they were probably off to do 10,000 other things. Undergrads live here.....the waystation befween co-ops and international experiences, AEA, urban term in Europe, Ecological studies in Curitiba, Brasil and Buddhist studies in India and other places......almost any where in the world.. Antioch College students still have intense intense rides here. they come here already intense... I like McG students but don't interact with them long enough to bond with them as well as the College side. Which brings me to my feelings about the new campus that is going up. and a certain road sign..please bear with me. I realize that McGregor School does good things...but I also feel these things have been done by cannibalizing us. and they really don't pay attention to what I would borrow as the "Lester Lee '75" word.....legacy. They use some concepts and goals and brand name but it lacks some things.. I have watched the new building sprout in the cornfield on the edge of town and have always had mixed feelings about it. I felt that both cultures could actually add to each others ...one plus one might equal four. After talking to a staff member at McGregor I realized the yin yang thing when she told me about the first speech made at the first Schuster Center Graduation in Dayton. about three years ago.. The Schuster Center is a 122 million dollar cultural complex in down town...a great venue...a large urban greenhouse lobby with a 3200 seat..state of the art complex that seats 3200 folks/ With about 230 grads with large extended urban families..and better handicapped facilities the Schuster Center was a good fit for McG grads.....many of whom commute from Dayton, Cinti, Cols and even outta state. I have been to two graduations there and the venue was 3/4 s full. Turns out that it could be rented for 5,000 for two hours...chair rental in YS for grads was 1700 dollars..and kelly Hall only holds 664. also not handicapped friendly enough At any rate at the first Schuster Grad...one of the student speakers said : I would have loved to be on the mound by main building but I don't think that my hair and makeup would have lasted an hour in the summer Ohio sun...... Mc grad was usually around July 20..this year moved to June 24th..during tail end of reunion... Our students coulda schooled this women on when not to wear make-up and vice versa. Youthful passion and middle aged consevatism could be great teachers for each other. McG also has the urban folks of color we lack......and we could add spice to their existence as well. Anyhow...sorry this rambles...this is therapy for this stressed out double community member, So everyday I pass by the new complex.....and my feelings for it have become less.... sanguine?... One day last week...a new sign was on the edge of Dayton-Yellow Springs road. It said "Cement in this building poured by CEMEX" Well....it certainly made my eco-blood boil. Years ago...(.between YS and Byron...the village beytween Ys and Fairborn) there was the Portland Southwest cement Plant and its endless sprawling gravel pits.....and big towers that sorta look like rocket lauching pads...with plumes of smoke..that you sometimes can see for miles on days when there is atmospheric inversion.... wel...for years locals..including residents, students and even ecological types would demonstrate there because it was a site for burning of toxic wastes.. in the process of making cement...they had set up something called a sham recycler........making heat by burning toxic combustible subdtances...including old crankcase oils and much worse....... local eco types had soil testsdone and found chromium and heavy metals galore in farmer's fields near the plant. folks were repeatedly arrested at demonstrations and eventually some sort of lawsuit was filed and the end result was that the company "moved" to Mexico...and later became CEMEX. So when I saw the sign by the new campus saying "Cement poured for you by CEMEX:" I had feelings of outrage....such as... those folks will do anything and don't know local history..ugh.. Well, two days later the sign was spray painted over in big red letters. BE ASHAMED. Ahh....it made my day....it had to be a local, eh. I don't even think any of our allegedly "toxic" students would know the toxic history of CEMEX...... Apparently the folks building McGregor didn't know or didn't care either. Several, days later the sign is gone.......but as I drove through Byroneven this AM a toxic tanker was in front of me pulling over to the CEMEX plant. and I would imagine CEMEX is still pouring the mcg cement. Oh, our values and legacy.. That cranky Lester Lee and Katy Jako...I knew they were guarding our legacy years ago. Right Ilse? Gotta go..this takes alotta adrenalin to write... thinking as I go along....... As Joe Cali sometimes might say " Now, I'm getting mad" Have folks read the article about the Library in the Chicago Trib arts and entertainment section from July 1st. Thanks for sharing therapy time with me Duffy Tim? could you send this on to alum board as well. PS one of the McGregor faculty was talking tome the day before yesterday saying they all received an email about the cemex sign...saying we won't respond..we are taking the higher ground. End babble for now From ccary60 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 10:13:03 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:25:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tell a story! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great idea. I've been composing something in my head about my Antioch experience since I think that those of us from the 80s are generally not on the radar. We rarely show up for anything and there weren't that many of to begin with but there are stories to tell. I am always amused when folks from my era complain about how the student union looks since we held dances in the basement of Corry (now Spalt) when it was condemned and South Hall had been boarded up for about a decade. So many alums look at their time through rose colored glasses. But that OK with me, as long as they don't try and interpret or judge other people's experience. I'll be in touch. Callie On 7/4/07, Rowan Kaiser wrote: > Howdy all, > > The communications group is looking to collect narratives about Antioch. In > a very general form, this will be on the website and allow people to talk > about why the College is worth having around. In its specific form, we're > looking for people who can be exemplar Antiochians to share with potential > donors for fundraising (especially recent grads). Send me an email if you'd > like to tell your story, or talk about a friend of yours who's doing great > things, heralded or unheralded. > > Also, this doesn't have to be text-only. If you have photos or movies or > artwork or anything multi-media, tell me about it and we can see how it'll > fit in. Put your energy to constructive use! > > Thanks! > > > Rowan Kaiser '05 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From pas0705 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 10:28:59 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:41:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <670612.78599.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: > > > Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds > > By Toni Murdock >It is time to provide a > closer look at these other campuses of Antioch > University. Yes, its time to provide a closer look at Antioch University, but not the other campuses. Its time to take a look at the stewardship that Antioch University provides to Antioch College. Its time to take a closer look at the finances of Antioch University, and get ACTUAL HARD DATA on the budget since the last year the full budget was available. Its time to take a closer look at HOW LONG the University administration has been planning on closing the College campus. Its time to take a closer look at the failure of many successive chancellors to raise FUNDING that would have supported Antioch College. >As that process moves forward, the five >non-residential campuses of Antioch University >continue to embody the Antioch vision of higher >education, with its dedication to innovation and >excellence. At a time when Antioch College is taking a HUGE hit to its image as a credible institution that will again be open in 5 years to accept incoming students, this chancellor decides to tout the adult campuses, instead of showing support for the traditions and education unique to Antioch College. Here's a suggestion Toni Murdoch-the next time you want to show support for something, instead of showing the world that your priorities are to the adult campuses (as many of us knew all along), why don't you instead say something that would give people the indication that you truly intended to re-open ANTIOCH COLLEGE in 2012, an undergraduate, residential, liberal arts COLLEGE, WITH the traditions of co-op, community governance, and classroom education, instead of Antioch Yellow Springs, re-made in the image of your former institution, Antioch Seattle. Chancellor Murdock, it seems Antioch University had plans IN HAND for closing Antioch College and opening Antioch University YS prior to the June Board meeting. Yet under your stewardship, this was not communicated to ANY of the Antioch College community. Why should you be the one trusted with the re-opening of Antioch College, when you're so obviously not to be trusted with the closing of Antioch College? -laura, '95, staff '97 - '02. Creating Antioch University YS in 2012 is NOT a renewal of Antioch College. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From tgseto at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 10:33:19 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Thu Jul 5 10:46:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: International students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What an interesting post that was, Sistersara. I love your multi-generational perspective. I would say that the term "international" means to me extra-national--that is, people coming from outside the United States. I think what you mean by "international" is actually immigrant students. I don't know how open to Antioch's fiery rhetoric the Hmong might be, but I don't think Somalis would be particularly interested in some of the social or "political" goings-on there. Antioch's form of PC just doesn't compute for many people who have dealt with serious political oppression for generations. And for cultural reasons, quite a bit that goes on in YSO would likely be quite offensive to Somalis. There is a large community in Columbus (though generally speaking they are not well-heeled enough to send their kids to college). Looking at the new America is definitely something any school should do. But you can't just bring these students in. They will change the culture--or the culture must be changed in order to make the school of interest to them. Message-ID: There will always be detractors and this particular arena --we are unlikely to change anyones' view. I think we should save our collective energy for areas we can make a difference. IMHO this ones a lost cause. -dawn '83 On 7/4/07 9:29 AM, "Gerry Bello" wrote: > > Ignoring illness permits its unchecked progression > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 10:58:36 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:11:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn Message-ID: <134284.22722.qm@web53405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >IMHO this ones a lost cause. I gotta agree with that. I'm not worried about Some Guy With A Blog talking smack -- unless it's Kos or someone with an audience that we actually care about persuading. The trolls we need to take on are the ones whose thoughtless smear pieces get published on the opinion pages of national newspapers. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From JSSchumacher at mac.com Thu Jul 5 11:09:25 2007 From: JSSchumacher at mac.com (J.Steven Schumacher) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:22:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Press: Antioch LA now fully accredited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75a1a96939028167f0f753c8b0d8e853@mac.com> Debra, Yep, I'm unsubscribing too for largely the same reason and will look for opportunities to help the college on my own. Steven Schumacher On Jul 5, 2007, at 7:07 AM, GoodmanD@gtlaw.com wrote: > So sick of the "spin" on this list that I must unsubscribe. I wonder > how many other people have done so. Gerry....has it occurred to you > that this might happen? Could it be possible that somebody out there > who has lots of cash that might have been donated to saving the college > is also sick of the bickering back and forth? Could it be > counterproductive? You and others who post and post and post might > actually be doing a disservice to saving Antioch College. Think about > it. > > Debra '83 > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements > imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. > federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any > attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended > or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) > avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed > herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain > privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the > use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, > distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. > To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to > postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > From: saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org > [mailto:saveantioch-bounces@lists.antiochians.org] On Behalf Of Gerry > Bello > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:39 AM > To: SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org; alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [SaveAntioch] Press: Antioch LA now fully accredited > > > So.... apparently other moves happen behind out backs. With the full > accreditation of this facility do they no longer need the Olive > Kettering Library? Where exactly does this put us strategically? > > Can we turn this back on them as a dirty trick to get egg on their > face? > > Spin... We need Spin > > ----G > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ > saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org From ilse1 at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 11:41:25 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Thu Jul 5 11:54:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures References: Message-ID: <00fb01c7bf1a$f26ccce0$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Hi Duffy, Who can blame you for being stressed out. Who is left of library staff to support you? Whenever you need to vent, I'll be here. I was among the cranky who had great hopes for AIF. Meanwhile, keep the faith. I feel so sorry for the alums who lived through bad experiences that weren't at all mine. I was there during the McGregor presidency when we believed in a well rounded education and did get it. Ilse Moon '53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Duffy" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures > This is Duffy'77 at the Library (THE BIG OLIVE) early in the AM.... > 41 year Community member 31 year staff > Alumni Board Associate ( means term-limited), UE rep for most of three > decades at intervals > Also ADCIL and COMCIL reps. at intervals....even budget committe til March > 15 of this year > So I have a fairly decent amount of our culture in my head.. > Just no advanced degrees.... > > Thanks to those good intentioned folks who are trying to keep the baby and > the bath water from being tossed out. > > First of all...as I have told everyone before...I live in Dayton in the > hood where many folks live an urban nightmare and then > commute to YS where folks are busy working on dreams....of better > lives....and I DO serve directly two campuses... > and do tiny patron load things from Antioch New England, and the West > Coast entities as well. > > McGregor students are out to get more advanced degrees in most instances > and move on to better lives. They are > busy multi-tasking adults......they will often call me on the phone from > their offices at work.....especially those > in the teacher ed field. One person in the Principalship program called me > and I could hardly hear him because of > the screaming middle school kids in the background. Others call from > their cell phones..asking me to order their > OHIOLINK (Interlibrary loan) items because their boss at work won't let > them use their computer. While they talk to me, of course > their cell phones fade in and out....and then I have the occasional lunch > time call....you haven't lived until > someone is talking to you while chewing on their lunch. > > What was that title? > > Folks order lots of OHIOLINK items and the day before yesterday twice > young women came in each with at least > two children..yanking their chains...and cell phones ringing. I pledge > to the last person on earth with a cell phone. > > and as soon as they picked up their stuff they were probably off to do > 10,000 other things. > > Undergrads live here.....the waystation befween co-ops and international > experiences, AEA, urban term in Europe, > Ecological studies in Curitiba, Brasil and Buddhist studies in India and > other places......almost any where in the world.. > > Antioch College students still have intense intense rides here. they > come here already intense... > > I like McG students but don't interact with them long enough to bond with > them as well as the College side. > > Which brings me to my feelings about the new campus that is going up. and > a certain road sign..please bear with me. > > > I realize that McGregor School does good things...but I also feel these > things have been done by cannibalizing us. > > and they really don't pay attention to what I would borrow as the "Lester > Lee '75" word.....legacy. > > > They use some concepts and goals and brand name but it lacks some things.. > > > > I have watched the new building sprout in the cornfield on the edge of > town and have always had mixed feelings > about it. > > I felt that both cultures could actually add to each others ...one > plus one might equal four. > > After talking to a staff member at McGregor I realized the yin > yang thing when she told me about the first > speech made at the first Schuster Center Graduation in > Dayton. about three years ago.. > > The Schuster Center is a 122 million dollar cultural > complex in down town...a great venue...a large > urban greenhouse lobby with a 3200 seat..state of the art > complex that seats 3200 folks/ > With about 230 grads with large extended urban > families..and better handicapped facilities the > Schuster Center was a good fit for McG grads.....many of > whom commute from Dayton, Cinti, Cols > and even outta state. I have been to two graduations > there and the venue was 3/4 s full. > > Turns out that it could be rented for 5,000 for two > hours...chair rental in YS for grads was > 1700 dollars..and kelly Hall only holds 664. > also not handicapped friendly enough > > At any rate at the first Schuster Grad...one > of the student speakers said : I would have > loved to be on the mound by main building > but I don't think that my hair and makeup would > have lasted an hour in the summer Ohio > sun...... > Mc grad was usually around July 20..this > year moved to June 24th..during tail end of reunion... > > Our students coulda schooled this women on when not to wear make-up > and vice versa. > Youthful passion and middle aged consevatism could be great > teachers for each other. > > McG also has the urban folks of color we lack......and we > could add spice to their existence as well. > > > Anyhow...sorry this rambles...this is therapy for this stressed out > double community member, > > So everyday I pass by the new complex.....and my feelings for it > have become less.... sanguine?... > > One day last week...a new sign was on the edge of Dayton-Yellow Springs > road. > > > It said "Cement in this building poured by CEMEX" > > Well....it certainly made my eco-blood boil. Years ago...(.between YS > and Byron...the village beytween Ys and Fairborn) > there was the Portland Southwest cement Plant and its endless sprawling > gravel pits.....and big towers that sorta > look like rocket lauching pads...with plumes of smoke..that you sometimes > can see for miles on days when there is > atmospheric inversion.... > > wel...for years locals..including residents, students and even > ecological types would demonstrate there > because it was a site for burning of toxic wastes.. in the > process of making cement...they had set up > something called a sham recycler........making heat by burning > toxic combustible subdtances...including > old crankcase oils and much worse....... > > local eco types had soil testsdone and found chromium and heavy > metals galore in farmer's fields near the plant. > > folks were repeatedly arrested at demonstrations and eventually > some sort of lawsuit was filed and the end result was that the > company "moved" to Mexico...and later became CEMEX. > > So when I saw the sign by the new campus saying "Cement poured > for you by CEMEX:" I had feelings of > outrage....such as... those folks will do anything and don't > know local history..ugh.. > > Well, two days later the sign was spray painted over in big red > letters. BE ASHAMED. > > Ahh....it made my day....it had to be a local, eh. I don't > even think any of our allegedly "toxic" > students would know the toxic history of CEMEX...... > > Apparently the folks building McGregor didn't know or didn't > care either. > > Several, days later the sign is gone.......but as I drove > through Byroneven this AM a toxic tanker was in front of me pulling > over to the CEMEX plant. and I would imagine CEMEX is > still pouring the mcg cement. Oh, our values and legacy.. > > That cranky Lester Lee and Katy Jako...I knew they were > guarding our legacy years ago. Right Ilse? > > > Gotta go..this takes alotta adrenalin to write... > thinking as I go along....... > > > As Joe Cali sometimes might say " Now, I'm getting > mad" > > Have folks read the article about the Library in the > Chicago Trib arts and entertainment section from July 1st. > > Thanks for sharing therapy time with me > Duffy > Tim? could you send this on to alum board as well. > > > PS one of the McGregor faculty was talking tome the day before yesterday > saying they all received an email about > the cemex sign...saying we won't respond..we are taking the higher ground. > End babble for now > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 > 1:40 PM > > From npeterson at prosperodesign.com Thu Jul 5 12:19:15 2007 From: npeterson at prosperodesign.com (Nicholas Peterson) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:32:55 2007 Subject: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online In-Reply-To: <468D185A.2000705@harvard.edu> References: <468D185A.2000705@harvard.edu> Message-ID: <468D1A03.1090502@prosperodesign.com> > Gerry Bello wrote: >> Flagship Funds Inc in Dayton Ohio. >> >> More on the Architect >> Lorenz Williams (Architect) lists Antioch University McGregor as one of their current projects. http://www.lorenzandwilliams.com/ I am sure this is the ongoing fee for planning and development of the design plan. This can be done through looking at other 990s. They have 2004 fee of $167,338. --- The only reference to Flagship funds that I've found via Google is someone honored at Wright State who was on the Board of Directors. --- In the 2004 990s, another architect was listed: Schooley Caldwell Associates with a compensation of $119,982. I recognize their name from my time on campus. On their website they have a "Antioch College Campus Strategic Plan" I assume this was in conjunction with the Renewal Plan and new curriculum: http://www.sca-ae.com/portfolio/project_detail.asp?ID=13&service=education# Antioch College - Campus Strategic Plan To rejuvenate this liberal arts campus, a strategic plan was developed that created a paradigm shift in educational philosophy and academic modeling based upon the establishment of Living and Learning Communities. A built environment informed by the new philosophy is being designed so this academic agenda can flourish. Student housing, the student union-wellness center and the library were identified as high priority buildings that would help support the new academic model. The Strategic Plan allows the college to make informed decisions about prioritization of renovation, rehabilitation and new construction for these facilities. Planning also included a campus-wide restructuring of street networking, parking and green spaces to develop a ?walkable? community and to foster a more positive relationship with the surrounding community. Schooley Caldwell has worked with Antioch for over 20 years and has designed many projects on the campus. ?Antioch has benefited enormously by every bit of work provided by Schooley Caldwell. Every single project was completed in a timely manner and, most significantly, not one of our projects went over budget.? William Hooper Special Assistant to the Chancellor Antioch College ---- Nick Nicholas Peterson Class of 2000 From juju70 at msn.com Thu Jul 5 12:28:29 2007 From: juju70 at msn.com (Judith Wolert-Maldonado) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:41:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press Release: Yellow Springs Emergency Town Meeting Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:Contacts: Lori Askeland, (937) 767-8116, laskeland@sbcglobal.netJudith Wolert-Maldonado, (937) 767-0118, juju70@msn.comGroup: Yellow Springs Residents in Support of theAntioch College Revival ResolutionWebsite Affiliation: antiochians.org provides more information about the Antioch College Revival Resolution. Antioch College alumni are responsible for its content.Yellow Springs Residents Organize Emergency Town Meeting toEnsure the Future of Antioch CollegeYellow Springs, Ohio, July 3, 2007 ? A newly-formed group of citizen organizers, calling themselves, "Yellow Springs Residents in Support of the Antioch College Revival Resolution," will facilitate an emergency town meeting, open to the public, on Tuesday, July 10, 2007, at 7:30 pm in the First Presbyterian Church at 314 Xenia Avenue in Yellow Springs. In the truest spirit of grassroots organizing, this group of about 40 residents from in and around the Southwestern Ohio college town of Yellow Springs, quickly came together in response to the recent news of the possible temporary closing of Antioch College. As Antioch College is the major employer and vital cultural hub in the small town, these residents followed the example of Antioch College alums currently organizing themselves across the world, to keep their beloved, 154 year-old liberal-arts college open and vibrant.The town meeting will include speakers representing various groups from Antioch College, town residents and business owners.Alumni will present their Antioch College Revival Resolution as proof of their commitment to keep the college alive. A question and answer period will follow the presentations. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 12:31:42 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:43:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures In-Reply-To: <00fb01c7bf1a$f26ccce0$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> References: <,> <00fb01c7bf1a$f26ccce0$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Message-ID: Just one extra tidbit...Antioch College students still get superior educations.....Duffy From rowankaiser at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:32:10 2007 From: rowankaiser at gmail.com (Rowan Kaiser) Date: Thu Jul 5 12:44:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] To the disaffected: how to organize online Message-ID: I see a few people leaving, and I can't blame you. These mailing lists shouldn't have turned into the focus for national organizing that they're perceived as being. Two important points: 1. GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR LOCAL CHAPTER These should be the focus of our organizing. Personal contact is going to be more motivating than shouting into the winds of the internet. Sign up for those mailing lists here, and meeting times should be announced regularly. http://antiochians.org/mailing-lists/ If you don't have a local chapter yet, start one! 2. ANTIOCHIANS.ORG IS WORKING ON A FORUM And various other new content which should facilitate constructive discussion. Check back regularly - this is a matter of days if not hours. The chaos is frustrating, but it's being worked on. Rowan From pas0705 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 14:01:46 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:14:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Press: Antioch LA now fullyaccredited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <80042.70023.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Dan K wrote: > I think it is, at best, self indulgent to figure out > who is to ?blame? for > the College?s demise. My fervent wish is that the > Board of Trustees, the > Alumni ? indeed, all stakeholders ? would overcome > their history and work > together. We are, after all, all wishing for the > same outcome. > To paraphrase Rodney King, ?Can?t we all just get > along ? and get on with > the business of reopening the College? Essentially, you're advocating that adopting a "Stockholm Syndrome" position is the way forward. That we should continue to entrust the very individuals and organizations that are directly responsible for the poor conditions we now find. The central University admin has been directly responsible for the fiscal operations of the College since January, 2002. The Board of Trustees has made a series of decisions, based in large part on UNIVERSITY recommendations, most often WITHOUT substantial College participation, and usually AGAINST the recommendations of College community members, that have had severe enrollment and fiscal consequences at the College. Why should we believe that the people who are responsible for the decisions are not accountable for their consequences? Isn't that counter to almost an entire Antioch education? -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From marklp2 at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 14:03:14 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (marklp2@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:16:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch Message-ID: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Even when I was a student in Antioch 40 years ago, the college began to lose its relevance to mainstream America. Antioch was like the sheltered monasteries in the Dark Ages, keeping its version of civilization alive amidst the chaos. Some students seemingly never left Yellow Springs. One celebrated long time student that I knew, for example, waited table at Com and Goldies and later on supported himself by writing reviews of porno movies. Some people made and sold pottery or opened shops in Yellow Springs. Some students became faculty and staff at the college. Other people worked in the Miami Valley , but stayed in Yellow Springs, rather than enduring the relentlessly Republican atmosphere of the rest of Greene County. As time went on Antioch's alienation from American culture became even more intense. As the right-wing radicalized America, Antioch became even more America's anodyne by institutionalizing a radical left campus culture. Campus politics changed from predominantly liberal to radical. Horace Mann was remembered for his activist statement,"be ashamed to die", but Arthur Morgan was forgotten except for coop. Morgan's ideas were too complex to fit into an " us and them", political culture. So here is the big question. Why was Antioch so different from many other liberal arts colleges, in that alumni were so indifferent about supporting it financially? What did alumni so distrust about Antioch, that they were unwilling to commit their dollars to it? Was it just about the rundown facilities? Or was it about something else? Was it about a lack of vision that alumni could continue to relate to? I'd really like to know. Once we know that, it might be easier to deal with it. Mark P.' 71 From Sistersara at aol.com Thu Jul 5 14:19:59 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:32:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: International students Message-ID: In a message dated 7/5/2007 9:34:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tgseto@hotmail.com writes: What an interesting post that was, Sistersara. I love your multi-generational perspective. I would say that the term "international" means to me extra-national--that is, people coming from outside the United States. I think what you mean by "international" is actually immigrant students Glad you found my Antioch History of interest -- I can't remember who made the point in poetry but it was something about the elderly being able to pack great new sand into the brains of the young. On this list I frequently feel that way, but someone needs to do some keyboarding. International to me is someone essentially socialized in a different culture not mainstreamed in the US. It is about received language and received culture -- it is quite anthropological. I think when one speaks of diversity that this is the point -- it can be from outside the US, but it is also from inside to the extent that independent cultures have separation. I think college can be a place where one resolves cultural conflicts and differences in favor of what is your personal solution -- how you actually contend with and deal with the conflicts. As with many forms of acculturation, part of it is about moving into a modern professional identity that does not really conflict or resolve things, but it is much like the idea of the Hindu Vehicle on which a god rides. You function, but you leave nothing really behind. In this respect my Hmong and Somali folk are not of American Culture, but my young folk who have lived most of their lives in the US, and done well in the US School System, well they are Americanized, though they are rigidly left out. "Antioch's form of PC just doesn't compute for many people who have dealt with serious political oppression for generations. And for cultural reasons, quite a bit that goes on in YSO would likely be quite offensive to Somalis. There is a large community in Columbus (though generally speaking they are not well-heeled enough to send their kids to college)." I fully realize that existant Antioch PC does not work well with the Somali culture. (it works well with a very limited slice of American Culture). That is part of my point. Afterall, I was called a diseased zenophobe for some of the things I said. Something of my nearly 40 years of work trying to get the best product for those who contract for international education was seriously called into question by someone who clearly had never really faced the real world. What I posit here is the areas where things could be done that might be victories for humanity. Without really knowing what it was doing back in the 1930's Antioch did something of merit. Why not try to repeat it? That is the question I am trying to ask. Yes, Palestinians would make a splash and offend many -- but odd fact, Earlham was granted by the Ottoman Empire deed to a large number of places in Palestine for the purpose of building Quaker Schools. Those deeds are still held in trust for the Palestianian People by Quaker meetings around Ohio and Indiania. So why not gin those schools up again and staff them out and peacefully move on the purpose? The deeds held by the Quaker meetings are as good as what the Presbyterian Church holds for the American University in Beirut or the American University in Cario, both of which are connected closely to both Princeton and Columbia. That's just a little idea of what could be worked. What would happen if suddenly a couple thousand teachers were thrown into rebuilding and re-staffing those schools? I spent months on the net countering the claim that Quaker curriculum for their schools was anti-Israel, and dangerous. The AFSC spent much money having it all translated for Congress. Eventually they understood -- it was Quaker stuff. But then no one advocated the re-opening of those schools. Who can organize getting that done? I really disagree with that assessment, which sounds like a variation on the "Toxic Culture/Womyn/New Directions/Nu Metal Killed Antioch" meme. As Bob has pointed out, exit surveys of students leaving or transferring out of the college just don't support that conclusion, while the recent Times/CBS/MTV survey on the political attitudes of youth suggests that Antioch's value system is actually gaining currency among the kids (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/washington/27cnd-poll.html?ex=1183780800&en=daf3fa181a643b70&ei=5070). On the question of alumni giving, I seem to recall hearing that Antioch alumni actually give in larger numbers than do those of peer institutions -- though given our generally less materialistic bent, we don't produce nearly as many large donations -- we just don't have too many alumni at Goldman Sachs. But this is remarkable given the poor state of the College's alumni development efforts (not to disparage the folks in alumni development -- they have far fewer resources and staff than do peer institutions). So it's not that alumni, by and large, are reluctant to give their dollars -- it's that they either don't have more dollars to give or that they're not being cultivated as they would by other, better funded colleges and universities. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From gerrybello at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 14:30:48 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Thu Jul 5 14:43:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <292119.17255.qm@web53405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >On the question of alumni giving, I seem to recall hearing that Antioch >alumni actually give in larger numbers than do those of peer institutions >-- though given our generally less materialistic bent, we don't produce >nearly as many large donations -- we just don't have too many alumni at >Goldman Sachs. But this is remarkable given the poor state of the College's >alumni development efforts (not to disparage the folks in alumni >development -- they have far fewer resources and staff than do peer >institutions). So it's not that alumni, by and large, are reluctant to give >their dollars -- it's that they either don't have more dollars to give or >that they're not being cultivated as they would by other, better funded >colleges and universities. I'm going to go ahead and agree with matt here. The only purpose I can think of for riches is to donate them to Antioch and other progressive/radical things I support. And on that list Antioch comes first. That being said I've pledged $1000 over the next 6 months. Thats 10% of my income. Find another school that gets that kind of loyalty. ----G _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk Thu Jul 5 14:59:12 2007 From: stephanie.scott at totalise.co.uk (Stephanie Scott) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:11:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> References: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1E3457B66AEE4A469DC4E227780D3298@Stephanie> I think many more alumni would financially support Antioch if they were certain their money would go to the college and the college alone, and would not in some way benefit the University. Stephanie 1989 From wasb at albany.edu Thu Jul 5 15:19:47 2007 From: wasb at albany.edu (Stephen L. Wasby) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:32:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] about informing Antiochians Message-ID: <007301c7bf39$74862d20$59761a45@wasbdzt3eud7ix> In a recent post, someone pointed out that there has been no mailing by administrators or Board of Trustees to inform the alumni of the news of the suspension of the College, much less about anything else. Those who have been fortunate to be on a metro area alumni list-serve were, I think, most likely to be informed. That is background to a letter I received today: The Glen Helen Ecology Institute ("An operating unit of Antioch College," per the letterhead) sent a letter -- by regular mail-- to, from what I can determine, all those who have made contributions. If GHEI can do that, then certain Chancellors and campus Presidents can do as much. By the way, the key sentence in the letter (although I think that, in my ways, the fact of the letter is more important than the letter): "We are committed to ensuring that this watershed event [suspension of operations at the College] will not put Glen Helen at risk." Steve Wasby '59 From moloney at pobox.com Thu Jul 5 15:20:17 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Thu Jul 5 15:33:03 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FF0002A-DBDD-4306-93F0-299862339D8A@pobox.com> Matt - We are definitely not being cultivated as alumni but on top of that, the information that we were given has definitely not reflected what's been going on in YSO in the last 2 years. I've said it before but the goodnews emails and glossy mags did nothing to light a fire under the alumni - I was receiving emails from campus folks with ominous undertones about the new curriculum and a Pennell Society invitation in the same week. The campus seemed to be struggling but the magazine/administration seemed to be plugging it's ears and humming that nothing was wrong. The dev. office, for whatever reason, has done a poor job of connecting with alums and maintaining that connection and asking for money (beyond the quarterly calls we all get from first years, god bless 'em). It seemed like only recently did the Annual Fund attempt to instill any kind of recognition (cheesy though it may sound, it gets people to give money!). A serious fundraiser (like john graham!) would be helpful. Don't leave it up to your 18 year old first years to do the job. Get all of us involved. My oft-hated high school which I referenced in a post weeks ago contacted me within 2 weeks of graduation about giving money. They publish the amount that each class has raised as a whole every time they publish any alumni magazines. There are several levels of "honors" if you will (young alumni, defined as those who have graduated > 15 years ago get recognition for the $250-500 range, for example. Folks who have donated for 10 consecutive years regardless of the amount get recognition, the class that raises the most money each year gets recognition - you get the idea). Class captains who call folks in their own years - all that stuff happens every year. Does anyone have numbers comparing the annual giving as a percentage of the alums of similar schools? We all know Harvard has more money than God, so I don't think those stats would be useful. What about Evergreen? Hampshire? etc etc? What's the breakdown of Antioch alums (how many people ARE there, how many are on the MIA list v how many folks are actually in contact with the college)? - beth '95 On Jul 5, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > >> On the question of alumni giving, I seem to recall hearing that >> Antioch alumni actually give in larger numbers than do those of >> peer institutions -- though given our generally less materialistic >> bent, we don't produce nearly as many large donations -- we just >> don't have too many alumni at Goldman Sachs. But this is >> remarkable given the poor state of the College's alumni >> development efforts (not to disparage the folks in alumni >> development -- they have far fewer resources and staff than do >> peer institutions). So it's not that alumni, by and large, are >> reluctant to give their dollars -- it's that they either don't >> have more dollars to give or that they're not being cultivated as >> they would by other, better funded colleges and universities. > > > I'm going to go ahead and agree with matt here. The only purpose I > can think of for riches is to donate them to Antioch and other > progressive/radical things I support. And on that list Antioch > comes first. > > From kokeefe at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 16:47:30 2007 From: kokeefe at antioch-college.edu (Kelly O'Keefe) Date: Thu Jul 5 16:59:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! In-Reply-To: <4FF0002A-DBDD-4306-93F0-299862339D8A@pobox.com> References: <4FF0002A-DBDD-4306-93F0-299862339D8A@pobox.com> Message-ID: Hi all! I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU Kelly '08 From yazz at 230volts.net Thu Jul 5 17:08:16 2007 From: yazz at 230volts.net (Yazz D. Atlas) Date: Thu Jul 5 17:21:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! In-Reply-To: References: <4FF0002A-DBDD-4306-93F0-299862339D8A@pobox.com> Message-ID: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> Yep, I believe it was already posted to this list too. There was a little discussion about the content. Follow the thread below for more information. http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-April/000057.html Also comments were posted here: http://antirecord.org/node/337 -Yazz D. Atlas '97 On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Kelly O'Keefe wrote: > > I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. > Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU From gerrybello at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 17:46:11 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Thu Jul 5 17:59:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] A question of strategy: Antioch LA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strategic and Tactical Questions: Does the Accreditation of Antioch LA help or hurt us? Will it allow the university to dismantle move the library? Can they now get their accreditation easier and thus no longer need us and make severance easier? When did the university move to get accreditation for Antioch LA and what was the process? How did this accreditation move affect the move to close the college? Are there documents related to both? Who knew what when? Thoughts? ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 18:49:11 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Thu Jul 5 19:01:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> References: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at 2:03 PM -0500 wrote: >Campus politics changed from predominantly liberal to radical. Horace >Mann was remembered for his activist statement,"be ashamed to die", but >Arthur Morgan was forgotten except for coop. Morgan's ideas were too >complex to fit into an " us and them", political culture. > >So here is the big question. Why was Antioch so different from many >other liberal arts colleges, in that alumni were so indifferent about >supporting it financially? What did alumni so distrust about Antioch, >that they were unwilling to commit their dollars to it? Was it just about >the rundown facilities? Or was it about something else? Was it about a >lack of vision that alumni could continue to relate to? I'd really like >to know. Once we know that, it might be easier to deal with it. > Mark, This is an extremely popular narrative. It has all the qualities of urban legend, and meshes nicely with a nostalgia for the past as unified and whole. There are just too many threads to pick at in this narrative, none of which will help us with the daunting challenge of keeping the College open, but there are a couple of points that I feel compelled to make. -It was the recent generations of students, deemed "toxic" and "radical" that lifted up the ideas of Morgan and Henderson, read and discussed their published work on campus, and got their images framed and hung in the main building conference room. -Annual giving by 40% of the alums of record is in line with the annual giving experienced by peer institutions. The difference is NOT the unwillingness of alums (there are alums at every institution wary of giving and skeptical about directions), but has more to do with the late start that the College got in building an endowment, and the sheer number of large gifts that would be necessary to catch up. -I don't know of a college town that does not boast a distinctive flavor shaped by the "hangers-on" who finished the program and remained as part of the local culture. In short, it seems to me you're building an analysis on cliches and generalizations that really don't have much validity or explanatory power. Bob > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr From marklp2 at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 19:20:25 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Thu Jul 5 19:33:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001601c7bf5b$115dfd50$0301a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Bob, I'd like to hear more about this. I noticed that you didn't attend my presentation to alum board members and community members about Morgan's ideas in March 2005. There were only about two students there. Mark P. '71 "-It was the recent generations of students, deemed "toxic" and "radical" that lifted up the ideas of Morgan and Henderson, read and discussed their published work on campus, and got their images framed and hung in the main building conference room." -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Devine Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:49 PM To: Alumni Chat List Cc: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu; Thelma Seto Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at 2:03 PM -0500 wrote: >Campus politics changed from predominantly liberal to radical. Horace >Mann was remembered for his activist statement,"be ashamed to die", but >Arthur Morgan was forgotten except for coop. Morgan's ideas were too >complex to fit into an " us and them", political culture. > >So here is the big question. Why was Antioch so different from many >other liberal arts colleges, in that alumni were so indifferent about >supporting it financially? What did alumni so distrust about Antioch, >that they were unwilling to commit their dollars to it? Was it just about >the rundown facilities? Or was it about something else? Was it about a >lack of vision that alumni could continue to relate to? I'd really like >to know. Once we know that, it might be easier to deal with it. > Mark, This is an extremely popular narrative. It has all the qualities of urban legend, and meshes nicely with a nostalgia for the past as unified and whole. There are just too many threads to pick at in this narrative, none of which will help us with the daunting challenge of keeping the College open, but there are a couple of points that I feel compelled to make. -It was the recent generations of students, deemed "toxic" and "radical" that lifted up the ideas of Morgan and Henderson, read and discussed their published work on campus, and got their images framed and hung in the main building conference room. -Annual giving by 40% of the alums of record is in line with the annual giving experienced by peer institutions. The difference is NOT the unwillingness of alums (there are alums at every institution wary of giving and skeptical about directions), but has more to do with the late start that the College got in building an endowment, and the sheer number of large gifts that would be necessary to catch up. -I don't know of a college town that does not boast a distinctive flavor shaped by the "hangers-on" who finished the program and remained as part of the local culture. In short, it seems to me you're building an analysis on cliches and generalizations that really don't have much validity or explanatory power. Bob > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Robert H. Devine College Professor Antioch College Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387 Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM From tgseto at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 21:02:35 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Thu Jul 5 21:15:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mark P. '71 writes: References: <070520071803.9091.468D3262000A6919000023832207000953CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: Please pass the popcorn..... On 7/5/07, Thelma Seto wrote: > Mark P. '71 writes: > > liberal arts colleges, in that alumni were so indifferent about supporting > it financially? What did alumni so distrust about Antioch, that they were > unwilling to commit their dollars to it? Was it just about the rundown > facilities? Or was it about something else? Was it about a lack of vision > that alumni could continue to relate to? I'd really like to know. Once we > know that, it might be easier to deal with it. > > I don't think this has been true until fairly recently. At one time, > Antioch received money from the highest percentage of alums of any college > or university in the country. I do not know how we (alumni) rank on per > capita income, but I expect we are not competitive on that score. > > I could give a damn about "rundown facilities". I am concerned about the > quality and substance of the program. I think the answer is fairly clear: > Antioch has become a cartoon version of itself, focusing on being the most > PC of any school out there. Unfortunately, this charge towards becoming > super-PC was led by people who don't have a clue about the substance (and > values) underpinning progressive politics or, as you intimate, what is going > on in the world outside YSO. So all we are left with is form. Which has > turned into a human version of "Animal Farm" with the pigs, who kicked out > the humans, protected by their hand-raised litter of Rottweiler puppies, > turning on the rest of the farmyard should they point out the obvious--that > their leadership has turned into the very thing they revolted against, the > very thing they all hated. > > A friend told me today about the experience of a faculty member who taught > there a couple years ago. He was "mortified" by the culture on campus. He > felt the students he taught in several state universities in Ohio were more > open-minded than the kids he taught at Antioch. He also felt they were > smarter (not all--so recent grads and current students just take it easy) > and more creative. In his experience, students there were "spoiled > upper-middle class brats" who were very lazy, often refusing to even show up > in class, take notes, do assignments, and when they did deign to do the > assignments, they were turned in late. Their attitude, he felt, was that > they would get their diplomas whether they did anything or not. And since > grades were non-existent, and standards were so lax, they were probably > right. He got out of there as soon as he could. Mind you, this was a > progressive professor, raised working class, who was overjoyed to get the > chance to teach at such a venerable institution. > > When returning alum are attacked by the college president and his student > groupies, simply for asking questions about what is going on, any reasonably > intelligent and perceptive adult will begin wondering what the hell is going > on. And consider writing checks to an institution that is not quite so > off-the-wall. Money doesn't grow on trees, though many children wish it > did. There is a direct correlation between this behavior on campus and the > drop in alumni giving. > > Indeed, what is the reason? The problem is not alums not giving to Antioch. > The problem is the those who hold actual power in the Antiochian community > (present tense) so disrespecting the alums that they refused to listen to > our warnings of what would be the inevitable conclusion to their little > self-indulgent exercise, refused to listen to our cautious advice, refused > to take any of our questions seriously. There doesn't appear to have been > any accountability in YSO. > > I know there have been people on campus NONE of the above applies to. But > they have been silenced, or intimidated into silence. A lot of them have > left. If the power-elite at AC didn't want to listen to the alums, they > could have at least listened to the voices of REASON on campus. They are > the ones the power-elite owe a huge apology to. Some of them have moved on > and are not here to hear those apologies or (at the very least) > acknowledgement that they were, indeed, right. And those voices of reason > have been through hell, I expect, even if they did hang in there and try to > bring what sanity they could to the situation. > > Instead of any of the primary movers and shakers taking responsibility for > any of this, what we get is fingers pointed ELSEWHERE. Today it's the BoT, > which, given all the water under the bridge, I consider hilarious. I am not > happy with the BoT, but WHERE ARE THE ADULTS ON CAMPUS WHO ARE GOING TO > ACKNOWLEDGE RESPONSIBILITY? Has this been simply one big, carefree slumber > party? WHY should any alum give money to that? > > I'm sure the current students will take great offense at this post. But I > would ask you to consider: Have you been treated fairly in this? You are > paying $30K-plus and what are YOU getting in return? Where are YOU going to > be in a year's time? How is this going to affect YOUR life? Stop attacking > alumni who have had nothing to do with the power grabs that have gone on at > Antioch for the past umpteen years--and indeed have tried to stop them, turn > around, face those who have been in power on campus and ask--no, > DEMAND--accountability of the very people who have been marching you, like > lemmings, to the sea for the past decade or so. You know full well who I am > talking about. > > That is what MY generation of Antiochians would have done. And that is why > I ask, once again: IS there an Antioch to save? > > This isn't to say that the BoT or Guskin or Murdoch or any of the rest don't > share some of the responsibility. But they are not responsible for the > ridiculous dress-up games on the Yellow Springs campus that have brought it > to its knees. > > Thelma > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From caelimg at yahoo.com Thu Jul 5 21:24:23 2007 From: caelimg at yahoo.com (Caeli M.G) Date: Thu Jul 5 21:37:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] McGregor and Duffy's story In-Reply-To: <20070705183255.DC6BE606303D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <404977.23484.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks Duffy for that history lesson about the Portland Cement Company and CEMEX. We have such short term memories. We all want to be comfortable in our comfortable lives and our comfortable "fantasies" and clean this and that. And while having a clean, healthy, aesthetically attractive space that isnt' filled with heavy metals, aesbestos, and other toxic chemicals, or mold is great.. be careful of what you fill your space with for convenience or cost. The hair thing reminded me of one of my co-ops I took to the Dupree Sioux YMCA in South Dakota. I was stationed in Poplar Montana and myself and another woman were in charge of a tent of girls at a local community "camp" ground. Big Army tent for this Community Sponsored Drug Awareness weekend. These were Native AMerican girls and it wasn't rough camping at all! We were right down the street from the main part of town. These girls were complaining about their hair and where they were going to blow in their hair dryers and curling irons. It was really really sad. Alot of what is "new" .. new cell phones, new computers.. they all have devasting impact on our environment. I remember reading a Wall Street Journal article a few years ago when the interest rates were uber low. THese upscale folks were tearing down perfectly good Large homes that were probably built 5-10 years earlier and building the humongous McMansions. Just TEaring them down. Not renovating or merely adding on. They could "afford" to do this due to the interest rates being so low.. ? I was saddened by the waste. I know that Graduate and continuing education students have other priorities that don't perhaps fit in to the Antioch College in-residence model.. but what values are they getting? How merely to get a better job? Or are they learning how to change the world? Are tehy aware of environmental issues? OR do they use styrofoam coffee cups ? I know that folks are "too busy" to care for the earth or live every day to their strict values... It is hard when you are trying to make ends meet.. But what is our institutions doing to help enforce a better world? rather than merely a subsistance lifestyle.? Believe me. I think about these issues and it is hard to make various changes. But I think we get on the trendy bandwagon of recycling.. and then forget when the economy get's better and we want a brand new stadium or new homes or cars .. .. and we forget. We don't want to waste our time thinking about serious issues cause they are such a drag... Sorry.. THat is my evening response rant to Duffy's story. thanks for listening. Peace Caeli93 This is Duffy'77 at the Library (THE BIG OLIVE) early in the AM.... 41 year Community member 31 year staff Alumni Board Associate ( means term-limited), UE rep for most of three decades at intervals Also ADCIL and COMCIL reps. at intervals....even budget committe til March 15 of this year So I have a fairly decent amount of our culture in my head.. Just no advanced degrees.... Thanks to those good intentioned folks who are trying to keep the baby and the bath water from being tossed out. First of all...as I have told everyone before...I live in Dayton in the hood where many folks live an urban nightmare and then commute to YS where folks are busy working on dreams....of better lives....and I DO serve directly two campuses... and do tiny patron load things from Antioch New England, and the West Coast entities as well. McGregor students are out to get more advanced degrees in most instances and move on to better lives. They are busy multi-tasking adults......they will often call me on the phone from their offices at work.....especially those in the teacher ed field. One person in the Principalship program called me and I could hardly hear him because of the screaming middle school kids in the background. Others call from their cell phones..asking me to order their OHIOLINK (Interlibrary loan) items because their boss at work won't let them use their computer. While they talk to me, of course their cell phones fade in and out....and then I have the occasional lunch time call....you haven't lived until someone is talking to you while chewing on their lunch. What was that title? Folks order lots of OHIOLINK items and the day before yesterday twice young women came in each with at least two children..yanking their chains...and cell phones ringing. I pledge to the last person on earth with a cell phone. and as soon as they picked up their stuff they were probably off to do 10,000 other things. Undergrads live here.....the waystation befween co-ops and international experiences, AEA, urban term in Europe, Ecological studies in Curitiba, Brasil and Buddhist studies in India and other places......almost any where in the world.. Antioch College students still have intense intense rides here. they come here already intense... I like McG students but don't interact with them long enough to bond with them as well as the College side. Which brings me to my feelings about the new campus that is going up. and a certain road sign..please bear with me. I realize that McGregor School does good things...but I also feel these things have been done by cannibalizing us. and they really don't pay attention to what I would borrow as the "Lester Lee '75" word.....legacy. They use some concepts and goals and brand name but it lacks some things.. I have watched the new building sprout in the cornfield on the edge of town and have always had mixed feelings about it. I felt that both cultures could actually add to each others ...one plus one might equal four. After talking to a staff member at McGregor I realized the yin yang thing when she told me about the first speech made at the first Schuster Center Graduation in Dayton. about three years ago.. The Schuster Center is a 122 million dollar cultural complex in down town...a great venue...a large urban greenhouse lobby with a 3200 seat..state of the art complex that seats 3200 folks/ With about 230 grads with large extended urban families..and better handicapped facilities the Schuster Center was a good fit for McG grads.....many of whom commute from Dayton, Cinti, Cols and even outta state. I have been to two graduations there and the venue was 3/4 s full. Turns out that it could be rented for 5,000 for two hours...chair rental in YS for grads was 1700 dollars..and kelly Hall only holds 664. also not handicapped friendly enough At any rate at the first Schuster Grad...one of the student speakers said : I would have loved to be on the mound by main building but I don't think that my hair and makeup would have lasted an hour in the summer Ohio sun...... Mc grad was usually around July 20..this year moved to June 24th..during tail end of reunion... Our students coulda schooled this women on when not to wear make-up and vice versa. Youthful passion and middle aged consevatism could be great teachers for each other. McG also has the urban folks of color we lack......and we could add spice to their existence as well. Anyhow...sorry this rambles...this is therapy for this stressed out double community member, So everyday I pass by the new complex.....and my feelings for it have become less.... sanguine?... One day last week...a new sign was on the edge of Dayton-Yellow Springs road. It said "Cement in this building poured by CEMEX" Well....it certainly made my eco-blood boil. Years ago...(.between YS and Byron...the village beytween Ys and Fairborn) there was the Portland Southwest cement Plant and its endless sprawling gravel pits.....and big towers that sorta look like rocket lauching pads...with plumes of smoke..that you sometimes can see for miles on days when there is atmospheric inversion.... wel...for years locals..including residents, students and even ecological types would demonstrate there because it was a site for burning of toxic wastes.. in the process of making cement...they had set up something called a sham recycler........making heat by burning toxic combustible subdtances...including old crankcase oils and much worse....... local eco types had soil testsdone and found chromium and heavy metals galore in farmer's fields near the plant. folks were repeatedly arrested at demonstrations and eventually some sort of lawsuit was filed and the end result was that the company "moved" to Mexico...and later became CEMEX. So when I saw the sign by the new campus saying "Cement poured for you by CEMEX:" I had feelings of outrage....such as... those folks will do anything and don't know local history..ugh.. Well, two days later the sign was spray painted over in big red letters. BE ASHAMED. Ahh....it made my day....it had to be a local, eh. I don't even think any of our allegedly "toxic" students would know the toxic history of CEMEX...... Apparently the folks building McGregor didn't know or didn't care either. Several, days later the sign is gone.......but as I drove through Byroneven this AM a toxic tanker was in front of me pulling over to the CEMEX plant. and I would imagine CEMEX is still pouring the mcg cement. Oh, our values and legacy.. That cranky Lester Lee and Katy Jako...I knew they were guarding our legacy years ago. Right Ilse? Gotta go..this takes alotta adrenalin to write... thinking as I go along....... As Joe Cali sometimes might say " Now, I'm getting mad" Have folks read the article about the Library in the Chicago Trib arts and entertainment section from July 1st. Thanks for sharing therapy time with me Duffy Tim? could you send this on to alum board as well. PS one of the McGregor faculty was talking tome the day before yesterday saying they all received an email about the cemex sign...saying we won't respond..we are taking the higher ground. End babble for now From: "Callie Cary" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:13:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tell a story! Great idea. I've been composing something in my head about my Antioch experience since I think that those of us from the 80s are generally not on the radar. We rarely show up for anything and there weren't that many of to begin with but there are stories to tell. I am always amused when folks from my era complain about how the student union looks since we held dances in the basement of Corry (now Spalt) when it was condemned and South Hall had been boarded up for about a decade. So many alums look at their time through rose colored glasses. But that OK with me, as long as they don't try and interpret or judge other people's experience. I'll be in touch. Callie On 7/4/07, Rowan Kaiser wrote: > Howdy all, > > The communications group is looking to collect narratives about Antioch. In > a very general form, this will be on the website and allow people to talk > about why the College is worth having around. In its specific form, we're > looking for people who can be exemplar Antiochians to share with potential > donors for fundraising (especially recent grads). Send me an email if you'd > like to tell your story, or talk about a friend of yours who's doing great > things, heralded or unheralded. > > Also, this doesn't have to be text-only. If you have photos or movies or > artwork or anything multi-media, tell me about it and we can see how it'll > fit in. Put your energy to constructive use! > > Thanks! > > > Rowan Kaiser '05 > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From: Laura Fathauer To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] the Chancellor responds --- Bwpurplewins@cs.com wrote: > > > Counterpoint: Antioch Chancellor Responds > > By Toni Murdock >It is time to provide a > closer look at these other campuses of Antioch > University. Yes, its time to provide a closer look at Antioch University, but not the other campuses. Its time to take a look at the stewardship that Antioch University provides to Antioch College. Its time to take a closer look at the finances of Antioch University, and get ACTUAL HARD DATA on the budget since the last year the full budget was available. Its time to take a closer look at HOW LONG the University administration has been planning on closing the College campus. Its time to take a closer look at the failure of many successive chancellors to raise FUNDING that would have supported Antioch College. >As that process moves forward, the five >non-residential campuses of Antioch University >continue to embody the Antioch vision of higher >education, with its dedication to innovation and >excellence. At a time when Antioch College is taking a HUGE hit to its image as a credible institution that will again be open in 5 years to accept incoming students, this chancellor decides to tout the adult campuses, instead of showing support for the traditions and education unique to Antioch College. Here's a suggestion Toni Murdoch-the next time you want to show support for something, instead of showing the world that your priorities are to the adult campuses (as many of us knew all along), why don't you instead say something that would give people the indication that you truly intended to re-open ANTIOCH COLLEGE in 2012, an undergraduate, residential, liberal arts COLLEGE, WITH the traditions of co-op, community governance, and classroom education, instead of Antioch Yellow Springs, re-made in the image of your former institution, Antioch Seattle. Chancellor Murdock, it seems Antioch University had plans IN HAND for closing Antioch College and opening Antioch University YS prior to the June Board meeting. Yet under your stewardship, this was not communicated to ANY of the Antioch College community. Why should you be the one trusted with the re-opening of Antioch College, when you're so obviously not to be trusted with the closing of Antioch College? -laura, '95, staff '97 - '02. Creating Antioch University YS in 2012 is NOT a renewal of Antioch College. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From: "Thelma Seto" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:33:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: International students What an interesting post that was, Sistersara. I love your multi-generational perspective. I would say that the term "international" means to me extra-national--that is, people coming from outside the United States. I think what you mean by "international" is actually immigrant students. I don't know how open to Antioch's fiery rhetoric the Hmong might be, but I don't think Somalis would be particularly interested in some of the social or "political" goings-on there. Antioch's form of PC just doesn't compute for many people who have dealt with serious political oppression for generations. And for cultural reasons, quite a bit that goes on in YSO would likely be quite offensive to Somalis. There is a large community in Columbus (though generally speaking they are not well-heeled enough to send their kids to college). Looking at the new America is definitely something any school should do. But you can't just bring these students in. They will change the culture--or the culture must be changed in order to make the school of interest to them. raise a voice, even now. There is a strong lobby against this, that's why, though I suppose I will bring the wrath of God down upon my head by merely mentioning this political and economic fact. things now seem to be going well, and it is that generation that came as grade school aged kids who are now in college or starting businesses, or moving into professions. Well, I don't think the cultural misunderstandings have been worked out very well. Acculturation for the Hmong is especially difficult and looks like it will take more than a generation or two. And I'm not sure that I really support "assimilation"--that's a really contentious issue for me. It causes more problems than it solves. Sistersara, I think this is a terrific good idea. But I am very sad to say that I do not think even the Antioch of my generation was culturally sensitive enough to make it work. And the present-day Antioch seems far less so. I shudder to think of the conflicts that would most likely arise without a big change in the campus culture. Seriously. I say this as someone who is not American born-and-bred. I can think of a dozen likely conflicts without any effort at all...NOT something I would do without serious thought and someone very experienced in this sort of change at the helm, not to mention serious buy-in by all sectors of AC's community. And for those of you who are about to suggest it: DEFINITELY not Bob. watch young men and women comprehend -- a Muslim can be a Lawyer? Excuse me! The Middle East is where jurisprudence got its start. Long before Europe built on the notion. group that only the Roman Catholics seem to be tending to, and that's the roughly 12 - 20 million Hispanic undocumented workers living and working here. As many may know, one of the big issues is whether the children of these workers who graduate with good grades from American High Schools can go to state colleges and universities or community colleges at in-state tuition rates, and/or receive normal grants and loans fitted to the system. Good points here. And to what degree are current students involved with these issues? I don't mean going down to the border--that's very sexy, I know, but that's not where the fight is, FOX News notwithstanding. <(but they still can't access things like loans or Pell Grants, because they ask "the question" and if someone checks the wrong box, and it is found out, it is instant deportation. Different situation and question, but this reminds me of the No-No boys in the Japanese-American concentration camps... < But the Catholic Schools are very nicely not asking the questions, using their scholarship money to cover most costs, and making admissions offers to the high achievers among the High School Grads. Antioch cannot do this... instant deportation to a country they do not know, these are international students who would provide diversity in any college community, and who with much less infrastructure in staffing, could be what people are looking for. Ah, Sistersara! I beg to disagree. These are American and not-yet-citizen immigrant populations! NOT "international". Let's keep our terms very clear here! These are people already living within U.S. borders--not coming from overseas to go to AC. < I am sure most Antiochians can read their own communities and know of similar cohorts for whom a classic Antioch Education might be attractive. (This assumes a re-opened college with the Academic Enterprise at its core.) Which requires asking uncomfortable questions that the most vocal posters here are adamant we do not ask. It also requires an on-campus power shift... benefited Antioch, but ending quotas, and what they stood for, while something Antioch had long fought for, was also probably a causal element in the change in Antioch's fortunes. It clearly is not the only element in the pattern -- but it needs to be considered, and I would suggest considered in the context that goes back to that set of decisions in the early and mid 1930's to reach out and offer safe harbor to those who badly needed to leave Europe. At the time, that was a risk -- but it turned out to be a very smart decision. I think any New Antioch needs to reflect on that process -- that little slice of a tragic history, and look about and see how some of the same values can be replicated in 21st century conditions. Ah! Twenty-first century conditions: Perhaps we should be recruiting Palestinian students!!! ;-) I can just imagine the press on that one, not to mention a large group of alums! Hamas, anyone? to be about. Totally agree. I also think that if Antioch College focused on CURRENT issues and CURRENT conditions, we wouldn't be reading some of these articles that people are posting to this chat. Instead of laughing at AC, the articles would be defending AC and we'd have more allies to work with. Thelma ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From: Dawn Scribner To: Alumni Chat List Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:44:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn There will always be detractors and this particular arena --we are unlikely to change anyones' view. I think we should save our collective energy for areas we can make a difference. IMHO this ones a lost cause. -dawn '83 On 7/4/07 9:29 AM, "Gerry Bello" wrote: > > Ignoring illness permits its unchecked progression > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > From: Matthew Arnold To: Alumni Chat List Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Some (right-wing) people dont learn >IMHO this ones a lost cause. I gotta agree with that. I'm not worried about Some Guy With A Blog talking smack -- unless it's Kos or someone with an audience that we actually care about persuading. The trolls we need to take on are the ones whose thoughtless smear pieces get published on the opinion pages of national newspapers. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From: J.Steven Schumacher CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, gerrybello@hotmail.com, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: GoodmanD@gtlaw.com Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:09:25 -0700 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Press: Antioch LA now fully accredited Debra, Yep, I'm unsubscribing too for largely the same reason and will look for opportunities to help the college on my own. Steven Schumacher On Jul 5, 2007, at 7:07 AM, GoodmanD@gtlaw.com wrote: > So sick of the "spin" on this list that I must unsubscribe. I wonder > how many other people have done so. Gerry....has it occurred to you > that this might happen? Could it be possible that somebody out there > who has lots of cash that might have been donated to saving the college > is also sick of the bickering back and forth? Could it be > counterproductive? You and others who post and post and post might > actually be doing a disservice to saving Antioch College. 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We need Spin > > ----G > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/ > saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org From: "ilse moon" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:41:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures Hi Duffy, Who can blame you for being stressed out. Who is left of library staff to support you? Whenever you need to vent, I'll be here. I was among the cranky who had great hopes for AIF. Meanwhile, keep the faith. I feel so sorry for the alums who lived through bad experiences that weren't at all mine. I was there during the McGregor presidency when we believed in a well rounded education and did get it. Ilse Moon '53 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Duffy" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures > This is Duffy'77 at the Library (THE BIG OLIVE) early in the AM.... > 41 year Community member 31 year staff > Alumni Board Associate ( means term-limited), UE rep for most of three > decades at intervals > Also ADCIL and COMCIL reps. at intervals....even budget committe til March > 15 of this year > So I have a fairly decent amount of our culture in my head.. > Just no advanced degrees.... > > Thanks to those good intentioned folks who are trying to keep the baby and > the bath water from being tossed out. > > First of all...as I have told everyone before...I live in Dayton in the > hood where many folks live an urban nightmare and then > commute to YS where folks are busy working on dreams....of better > lives....and I DO serve directly two campuses... > and do tiny patron load things from Antioch New England, and the West > Coast entities as well. > > McGregor students are out to get more advanced degrees in most instances > and move on to better lives. They are > busy multi-tasking adults......they will often call me on the phone from > their offices at work.....especially those > in the teacher ed field. One person in the Principalship program called me > and I could hardly hear him because of > the screaming middle school kids in the background. Others call from > their cell phones..asking me to order their > OHIOLINK (Interlibrary loan) items because their boss at work won't let > them use their computer. While they talk to me, of course > their cell phones fade in and out....and then I have the occasional lunch > time call....you haven't lived until > someone is talking to you while chewing on their lunch. > > What was that title? > > Folks order lots of OHIOLINK items and the day before yesterday twice > young women came in each with at least > two children..yanking their chains...and cell phones ringing. I pledge > to the last person on earth with a cell phone. > > and as soon as they picked up their stuff they were probably off to do > 10,000 other things. > > Undergrads live here.....the waystation befween co-ops and international > experiences, AEA, urban term in Europe, > Ecological studies in Curitiba, Brasil and Buddhist studies in India and > other places......almost any where in the world.. > > Antioch College students still have intense intense rides here. they > come here already intense... > > I like McG students but don't interact with them long enough to bond with > them as well as the College side. > > Which brings me to my feelings about the new campus that is going up. and > a certain road sign..please bear with me. > > > I realize that McGregor School does good things...but I also feel these > things have been done by cannibalizing us. > > and they really don't pay attention to what I would borrow as the "Lester > Lee '75" word.....legacy. > > > They use some concepts and goals and brand name but it lacks some things.. > > > > I have watched the new building sprout in the cornfield on the edge of > town and have always had mixed feelings > about it. > > I felt that both cultures could actually add to each others ...one > plus one might equal four. > > After talking to a staff member at McGregor I realized the yin > yang thing when she told me about the first > speech made at the first Schuster Center Graduation in > Dayton. about three years ago.. > > The Schuster Center is a 122 million dollar cultural > complex in down town...a great venue...a large > urban greenhouse lobby with a 3200 seat..state of the art > complex that seats 3200 folks/ > With about 230 grads with large extended urban > families..and better handicapped facilities the > Schuster Center was a good fit for McG grads.....many of > whom commute from Dayton, Cinti, Cols > and even outta state. I have been to two graduations > there and the venue was 3/4 s full. > > Turns out that it could be rented for 5,000 for two > hours...chair rental in YS for grads was > 1700 dollars..and kelly Hall only holds 664. > also not handicapped friendly enough > > At any rate at the first Schuster Grad...one > of the student speakers said : I would have > loved to be on the mound by main building > but I don't think that my hair and makeup would > have lasted an hour in the summer Ohio > sun...... > Mc grad was usually around July 20..this > year moved to June 24th..during tail end of reunion... > > Our students coulda schooled this women on when not to wear make-up > and vice versa. > Youthful passion and middle aged consevatism could be great > teachers for each other. > > McG also has the urban folks of color we lack......and we > could add spice to their existence as well. > > > Anyhow...sorry this rambles...this is therapy for this stressed out > double community member, > > So everyday I pass by the new complex.....and my feelings for it > have become less.... sanguine?... > > One day last week...a new sign was on the edge of Dayton-Yellow Springs > road. > > > It said "Cement in this building poured by CEMEX" > > Well....it certainly made my eco-blood boil. Years ago...(.between YS > and Byron...the village beytween Ys and Fairborn) > there was the Portland Southwest cement Plant and its endless sprawling > gravel pits.....and big towers that sorta > look like rocket lauching pads...with plumes of smoke..that you sometimes > can see for miles on days when there is > atmospheric inversion.... > > wel...for years locals..including residents, students and even > ecological types would demonstrate there > because it was a site for burning of toxic wastes.. in the > process of making cement...they had set up > something called a sham recycler........making heat by burning > toxic combustible subdtances...including > old crankcase oils and much worse....... > > local eco types had soil testsdone and found chromium and heavy > metals galore in farmer's fields near the plant. > > folks were repeatedly arrested at demonstrations and eventually > some sort of lawsuit was filed and the end result was that the > company "moved" to Mexico...and later became CEMEX. > > So when I saw the sign by the new campus saying "Cement poured > for you by CEMEX:" I had feelings of > outrage....such as... those folks will do anything and don't > know local history..ugh.. > > Well, two days later the sign was spray painted over in big red > letters. BE ASHAMED. > > Ahh....it made my day....it had to be a local, eh. I don't > even think any of our allegedly "toxic" > students would know the toxic history of CEMEX...... > > Apparently the folks building McGregor didn't know or didn't > care either. > > Several, days later the sign is gone.......but as I drove > through Byroneven this AM a toxic tanker was in front of me pulling > over to the CEMEX plant. and I would imagine CEMEX is > still pouring the mcg cement. Oh, our values and legacy.. > > That cranky Lester Lee and Katy Jako...I knew they were > guarding our legacy years ago. Right Ilse? > > > Gotta go..this takes alotta adrenalin to write... > thinking as I go along....... > > > As Joe Cali sometimes might say " Now, I'm getting > mad" > > Have folks read the article about the Library in the > Chicago Trib arts and entertainment section from July 1st. > > Thanks for sharing therapy time with me > Duffy > Tim? could you send this on to alum board as well. > > > PS one of the McGregor faculty was talking tome the day before yesterday > saying they all received an email about > the cemex sign...saying we won't respond..we are taking the higher ground. > End babble for now > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 7/4/2007 > 1:40 PM > > From: Nicholas Peterson CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org, Gerry Bello Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:19:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] [Alumni-chat] Research and the Chronicle of Higher Ed online > Gerry Bello wrote: >> Flagship Funds Inc in Dayton Ohio. >> >> More on the Architect >> Lorenz Williams (Architect) lists Antioch University McGregor as one of their current projects. http://www.lorenzandwilliams.com/ I am sure this is the ongoing fee for planning and development of the design plan. This can be done through looking at other 990s. They have 2004 fee of $167,338. --- The only reference to Flagship funds that I've found via Google is someone honored at Wright State who was on the Board of Directors. --- In the 2004 990s, another architect was listed: Schooley Caldwell Associates with a compensation of $119,982. I recognize their name from my time on campus. On their website they have a "Antioch College Campus Strategic Plan" I assume this was in conjunction with the Renewal Plan and new curriculum: http://www.sca-ae.com/portfolio/project_detail.asp?ID=13&service=education# Antioch College - Campus Strategic Plan To rejuvenate this liberal arts campus, a strategic plan was developed that created a paradigm shift in educational philosophy and academic modeling based upon the establishment of Living and Learning Communities. A built environment informed by the new philosophy is being designed so this academic agenda can flourish. Student housing, the student union-wellness center and the library were identified as high priority buildings that would help support the new academic model. The Strategic Plan allows the college to make informed decisions about prioritization of renovation, rehabilitation and new construction for these facilities. Planning also included a campus-wide restructuring of street networking, parking and green spaces to develop a ?walkable? community and to foster a more positive relationship with the surrounding community. Schooley Caldwell has worked with Antioch for over 20 years and has designed many projects on the campus. ?Antioch has benefited enormously by every bit of work provided by Schooley Caldwell. Every single project was completed in a timely manner and, most significantly, not one of our projects went over budget.? William Hooper Special Assistant to the Chancellor Antioch College ---- Nick Nicholas Peterson Class of 2000 From: Judith Wolert-Maldonado CC: To: , , , , Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:28:29 +0000 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press Release: Yellow Springs Emergency Town Meeting FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:Contacts: Lori Askeland, (937) 767-8116, laskeland@sbcglobal.netJudith Wolert-Maldonado, (937) 767-0118, juju70@msn.comGroup: Yellow Springs Residents in Support of theAntioch College Revival ResolutionWebsite Affiliation: antiochians.org provides more information about the Antioch College Revival Resolution. Antioch College alumni are responsible for its content.Yellow Springs Residents Organize Emergency Town Meeting toEnsure the Future of Antioch CollegeYellow Springs, Ohio, July 3, 2007 ? A newly-formed group of citizen organizers, calling themselves, "Yellow Springs Residents in Support of the Antioch College Revival Resolution," will facilitate an emergency town meeting, open to the public, on Tuesday, July 10, 2007, at 7:30 pm in the First Presbyterian Church at 314 Xenia Avenue in Yellow Springs. In the truest spirit of grassroots organizing, this group of about 40 residents from in and around the Southwestern Ohio college town of Yellow Springs, quickly came together in response to the recent news of the possible temporary closing of Antioch College. As Antioch College is the major employer and vital cultural hub in the small town, these residents followed the example of Antioch College alums currently organizing themselves across the world, to keep their beloved, 154 year-old liberal-arts college open and vibrant.The town meeting will include speakers representing various groups from Antioch College, town residents and business owners.Alumni will present their Antioch College Revival Resolution as proof of their commitment to keep the college alive. A question and answer period will follow the presentations. From: "Steven Duffy" CC: "Alumni Chat List" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:31:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] toxic signs and toxic cultures Just one extra tidbit...Antioch College students still get superior educations.....Duffy From: "Rowan Kaiser" CC: To: "Save Antioch. Save the World" , "Alumni Chat List" Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:32:10 -0500 Subject: [Alumni-chat] To the disaffected: how to organize online I see a few people leaving, and I can't blame you. These mailing lists shouldn't have turned into the focus for national organizing that they're perceived as being. Two important points: 1. GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR LOCAL CHAPTER These should be the focus of our organizing. Personal contact is going to be more motivating than shouting into the winds of the internet. Sign up for those mailing lists here, and meeting times should be announced regularly. http://antiochians.org/mailing-lists/ If you don't have a local chapter yet, start one! 2. ANTIOCHIANS.ORG IS WORKING ON A FORUM And various other new content which should facilitate constructive discussion. Check back regularly - this is a matter of days if not hours. The chaos is frustrating, but it's being worked on. Rowan From: Laura Fathauer CC: To: Dan K , alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, GoodmanD@gtlaw.com Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Press: Antioch LA now fullyaccredited --- Dan K wrote: > I think it is, at best, self indulgent to figure out > who is to ?blame? for > the College?s demise. My fervent wish is that the > Board of Trustees, the > Alumni ? indeed, all stakeholders ? would overcome > their history and work > together. We are, after all, all wishing for the > same outcome. > To paraphrase Rodney King, ?Can?t we all just get > along ? and get on with > the business of reopening the College? Essentially, you're advocating that adopting a "Stockholm Syndrome" position is the way forward. That we should continue to entrust the very individuals and organizations that are directly responsible for the poor conditions we now find. The central University admin has been directly responsible for the fiscal operations of the College since January, 2002. The Board of Trustees has made a series of decisions, based in large part on UNIVERSITY recommendations, most often WITHOUT substantial College participation, and usually AGAINST the recommendations of College community members, that have had severe enrollment and fiscal consequences at the College. Why should we believe that the people who are responsible for the decisions are not accountable for their consequences? Isn't that counter to almost an entire Antioch education? -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From: marklp2@comcast.net CC: Thelma Seto To: Alumni Chat List , alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:03:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch Even when I was a student in Antioch 40 years ago, the college began to lose its relevance to mainstream America. Antioch was like the sheltered monasteries in the Dark Ages, keeping its version of civilization alive amidst the chaos. Some students seemingly never left Yellow Springs. One celebrated long time student that I knew, for example, waited table at Com and Goldies and later on supported himself by writing reviews of porno movies. Some people made and sold pottery or opened shops in Yellow Springs. Some students became faculty and staff at the college. Other people worked in the Miami Valley , but stayed in Yellow Springs, rather than enduring the relentlessly Republican atmosphere of the rest of Greene County. As time went on Antioch's alienation from American culture became even more intense. As the right-wing radicalized America, Antioch became even more America's anodyne by institutionalizing a radical left campus culture. Campus politics changed from predominantly liberal to radical. Horace Mann was remembered for his activist statement,"be ashamed to die", but Arthur Morgan was forgotten except for coop. Morgan's ideas were too complex to fit into an " us and them", political culture. So here is the big question. Why was Antioch so different from many other liberal arts colleges, in that alumni were so indifferent about supporting it financially? What did alumni so distrust about Antioch, that they were unwilling to commit their dollars to it? Was it just about the rundown facilities? Or was it about something else? Was it about a lack of vision that alumni could continue to relate to? I'd really like to know. Once we know that, it might be easier to deal with it. Mark P.' 71 From: Sistersara@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:19:59 EDT Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: International students In a message dated 7/5/2007 9:34:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tgseto@hotmail.com writes: What an interesting post that was, Sistersara. I love your multi-generational perspective. I would say that the term "international" means to me extra-national--that is, people coming from outside the United States. I think what you mean by "international" is actually immigrant students Glad you found my Antioch History of interest -- I can't remember who made the point in poetry but it was something about the elderly being able to pack great new sand into the brains of the young. On this list I frequently feel that way, but someone needs to do some keyboarding. International to me is someone essentially socialized in a different culture not mainstreamed in the US. It is about received language and received culture -- it is quite anthropological. I think when one speaks of diversity that this is the point -- it can be from outside the US, but it is also from inside to the extent that independent cultures have separation. I think college can be a place where one resolves cultural conflicts and differences in favor of what is your personal solution -- how you actually contend with and deal with the conflicts. As with many forms of acculturation, part of it is about moving into a modern professional identity that does not really conflict or resolve things, but it is much like the idea of the Hindu Vehicle on which a god rides. You function, but you leave nothing really behind. In this respect my Hmong and Somali folk are not of American Culture, but my young folk who have lived most of their lives in the US, and done well in the US School System, well they are Americanized, though they are rigidly left out. "Antioch's form of PC just doesn't compute for many people who have dealt with serious political oppression for generations. And for cultural reasons, quite a bit that goes on in YSO would likely be quite offensive to Somalis. There is a large community in Columbus (though generally speaking they are not well-heeled enough to send their kids to college)." I fully realize that existant Antioch PC does not work well with the Somali culture. (it works well with a very limited slice of American Culture). That is part of my point. Afterall, I was called a diseased zenophobe for some of the things I said. Something of my nearly 40 years of work trying to get the best product for those who contract for international education was seriously called into question by someone who clearly had never really faced the real world. What I posit here is the areas where things could be done that might be victories for humanity. Without really knowing what it was doing back in the 1930's Antioch did something of merit. Why not try to repeat it? That is the question I am trying to ask. Yes, Palestinians would make a splash and offend many -- but odd fact, Earlham was granted by the Ottoman Empire deed to a large number of places in Palestine for the purpose of building Quaker Schools. Those deeds are still held in trust for the Palestianian People by Quaker meetings around Ohio and Indiania. So why not gin those schools up again and staff them out and peacefully move on the purpose? The deeds held by the Quaker meetings are as good as what the Presbyterian Church holds for the American University in Beirut or the American University in Cario, both of which are connected closely to both Princeton and Columbia. That's just a little idea of what could be worked. What would happen if suddenly a couple thousand teachers were thrown into rebuilding and re-staffing those schools? I spent months on the net countering the claim that Quaker curriculum for their schools was anti-Israel, and dangerous. The AFSC spent much money having it all translated for Congress. Eventually they understood -- it was Quaker stuff. But then no one advocated the re-opening of those schools. Who can organize getting that done? watch young men and women comprehend -- a Muslim can be a Lawyer? Excuse me! The Middle East is where jurisprudence got its start. Long before Europe built on the notion. Yea, but did Somali immigrants have that notion, or a role model before Keith ran for Congress? He was just a Black American who might help. Ancient Jurisprudence may well have been invented in the Middle East, but tell that to someone who has to confront the immigration courts, or perhaps the local traffic court. The key is that someone they know actually is an officer of the court, and if they study, so can they become one. Forget the origins in the Middle East the point is to move young Somali to aspire to become American Lawyers, by finishing college, attending Law School, and then taking the bar. They are needed in that role. They can make the historical point once they win some good cases. "group that only the Roman Catholics seem to be tending to, and that's the roughly 12 - 20 million Hispanic undocumented workers living and working here. As many may know, one of the big issues is whether the children of these workers who graduate with good grades from American High Schools can go to state colleges and universities or community colleges at in-state tuition rates, and/or receive normal grants and loans fitted to the system. Good points here. And to what degree are current students involved with these issues? I don't mean going down to the border--that's very sexy, I know, but that's not where the fight is, FOX News notwithstanding. <(but they still can't access things like loans or Pell Grants, because they ask "the question" and if someone checks the wrong box, and it is found out, it is instant deportation." I agree -- to what extent are students, not just Antiochians, or lots of others involved with this question which requires being a good lobbyist in the state legislature. Frankly, I don't want any bully types or name callers talking to state legislators, even though one might think they are low on the IQ scale. The point is that for a change in all this, you need their votes. I can't imagine why those who do "green" or "labor safe" T-shirts are not also working hard to lobby State Legislators about allowing the students I describe above being able to go to school and move forward in American Society. Yes no child labor, yes labor rights, and yes, a decent or shall we say livable wage -- but stop the rigid ideology -- the Baltimore Catechism style positions. The point is not to bind in answers, the point is to support negotiation. When you demand certain outcomes, you frequently cut off the ability of locals to negotiate for their interests. "Ah, Sistersara! I beg to disagree. These are American and not-yet-citizen immigrant populations! NOT "international". Let's keep our terms very clear here! These are people already living within U.S. borders--not coming from overseas to go to AC." They can hardly be American's if ICE can throw them in a transit camp and sent them to an unknown land if they happen to get caught. My paternal folk came from England in 1629, to near Salem, and one of my ancestors was the last woman arrested in the Salem Witch Trials period. -- Dutch Elwell, after whom my current (Brilliant and beautiful) Siberian Husky is named. I don't think they want me or my dog back in Portsmouth, or thereabouts from which they migrated. I consider the staying power of those folk part of what makes me an American. (American Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War and all), I think all other migrants have similar stories that need telling. I consider all stories legitimate, even if your story is about how you forded the Rio Grande. "Which requires asking uncomfortable questions that the most vocal posters here are adamant we do not ask. It also requires an on-campus power shift..." Well as an elderly alumni, I don't think a campus power shift is a disaster. In fact I think it could be good for the process. The old product was not selling, it was not generating new students excited about paying for it, and so you do the Antioch thing, "You re-evaluate your basic assumptions." It is hard on those who have assumptions that don't work, don't sell, don't have legs. But that is what happens in the real world. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Hold on to what is good even if it is a handful of earth. Hold on to what you believe in, even if it is a tree, which stands by itself. Hold on to what you must do even if it is a long way from here. Hold On!!! --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From bdevine at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 21:58:10 2007 From: bdevine at antioch-college.edu (Robert Devine) Date: Thu Jul 5 22:10:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at 9:02 PM -0500 wrote: > >A friend told me today about the experience of a faculty member who >taught >there a couple years ago. He was "mortified" by the culture on campus. >He >felt the students he taught in several state universities in Ohio were >more >open-minded than the kids he taught at Antioch. He also felt they were >smarter (not all--so recent grads and current students just take it easy) >and more creative. In his experience, students there were "spoiled >upper-middle class brats" who were very lazy, often refusing to even show >up >in class, take notes, do assignments, and when they did deign to do the >assignments, they were turned in late. Their attitude, he felt, was that >they would get their diplomas whether they did anything or not. And >since >grades were non-existent, and standards were so lax, they were probably >right. He got out of there as soon as he could. Mind you, this was a >progressive professor, raised working class, who was overjoyed to get the >chance to teach at such a venerable institution. > Just goes to show you how unreliable and value-laden gossip and hearsay can be. It would be very difficult for our students to be "spoiled upper-middle class brats" since 90% of them receive financial aid, fewer and fewer pay full tuition every year, and nearly 9% of them come from households with median incomes under $6,000/year. From the ostensible faculty member, to your friend, to you, clearly a few things have been lost in the translation. Lax standards? I read senior project papers this last spring that would put most graduate students to shame, not to mention reading a blizzard of first year Core papers that were superior in research and reasoning to anything I've seen for the last several decades. Surely in 1971 courses and faculty members focused on the critical evaluation of both the source and substance of information prior to rendering conclusions or generalized judgements. Bob From tgseto at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 22:56:58 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Thu Jul 5 23:09:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: < Surely in 1971 courses and faculty members focused on the critical evaluation of both the source and substance of information prior to rendering conclusions or generalized judgements. Bob I wouldn't know, Bob. That was before my time. Anything you don't agree with is gossip and unsubstantiated. Every year you say the latest crop is the "brightest Antioch has ever seen". I doubt it. But I have to say that when you say these things, I consider the source before "rendering conclusions or generalized judgements". Stop hiding behind academese, Bob. Thelma _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From totally at svaha.com Thu Jul 5 23:29:20 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Thu Jul 5 23:43:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <308DC5B5-BEBF-44E9-B097-2CC164A6648B@svaha.com> What is your point Thelma? That Antioch students are dumb and lazy? That the whole institution is in a competition to be most PC? (What does that even mean?) That the dresses we wear aren't to your liking and thus the College deserves to be closed? I find your anecdote from your friend about the hearsay of another faculty member no longer at the college, to be weak and tiresome. Your personal attacks on the people working hard to make a serious difference in the direction of this College are also pretty frustrating. I shouldn't even be wasting my time but I felt you deserved to some focus. So again, what is your point in this discussion? What do you hope to achieve? If it's just to say the College should be closed, then great your opinion is noted and I can make sure to ignore the rest of what you say. -J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Thelma Seto wrote: > < Surely in 1971 courses and faculty members focused on the critical > evaluation of both the source and substance of information prior to > rendering conclusions or generalized judgements. > > Bob > > I wouldn't know, Bob. That was before my time. Anything you don't > agree with is gossip and unsubstantiated. Every year you say the > latest crop is the "brightest Antioch has ever seen". I doubt it. > But I have to say that when you say these things, I consider the > source before "rendering conclusions or generalized judgements". > > Stop hiding behind academese, Bob. > > Thelma > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in > one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From warren at antioch-college.edu Thu Jul 5 23:31:34 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Thu Jul 5 23:43:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now wait just a minute! I don't know who you are, and I'm not sure I want to meet you, and I hesitate to even get your attention, but this latest message demands a response (even though I swore I'd never write another post that wasn't aimed at saving the College -- but you've gone over the line). I've been teaching philosophy and politics for the past 31 years at Pomona College, Occidental College, the Claremont Graduate School, University of Colorado, Denison University, and Antioch College. I've been at Antioch for 12 years. I've seen a lot of good students, both undergraduate and graduate students. I have got to say that the students at Antioch are some of the very best I have ever taught. They are bright, intellectually curious, motivated, and serious about learning. This past year I co-taught a Learning Community with Bob Devine and the first-year students we had were the most amazing I've ever witnessed in those 31 years. Bob is right. Some of their work was better than many graduate students I've taught. The quality of thinking, communication, analysis, and writing was out of this world. For example, I teach Kant's epistemology, and I have never been more challenged on my interpretation of his theory of knowledge than I was by some of these students. They knew what they were talking about. If this college closes, we are going to lose some of the most remarkable and talented students in this country. I truly lament that possibility. Scott Warren Philosophy & Political Science Antioch College p.s. Rowan Kaiser: you can use this as a story, and I'd be happy to elaborate on it. This group of students is an incredible find! p.p.s. Sorry Mindy. got you by mistake. Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at 10:56 PM wrote: >< Surely in 1971 courses and faculty members focused on the critical >evaluation of both the source and substance of information prior to >rendering conclusions or generalized judgements. > >Bob > >I wouldn't know, Bob. That was before my time. Anything you don't agree >with is gossip and unsubstantiated. Every year you say the latest crop >is >the "brightest Antioch has ever seen". I doubt it. But I have to say >that >when you say these things, I consider the source before "rendering >conclusions or generalized judgements". > >Stop hiding behind academese, Bob. > >Thelma > >_________________________________________________________________ >Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one >place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Hopita at aol.com Thu Jul 5 23:38:59 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 5 23:51:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! Message-ID: Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? Thanos? You on this list somewhere? - Hope '92 In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kokeefe@antioch-college.edu writes: Hello! Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission to do a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of ours, The Antioch Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, and a large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and fun activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, but an activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more details as soon as we have them. If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working at a donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the two of us and we'd love your help! Kelly O'Keefe PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 08:18:17 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 08:31:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: 2 letters in the LA times In-Reply-To: <75a1a96939028167f0f753c8b0d8e853@mac.com> Message-ID: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/letters/la-le-friday6.4jul06,0,3304684.story?coll=la-news-comment-letters There's more to Antioch July 6, 2007 Re "Who killed Antioch? Womyn," Opinion, June 30 Well, women have been blamed for ruining the human race since one of us sought knowledge and ate an apple, so why not lay the death of Antioch College at our feet as well? Antioch's admittedly lamebrained attempt at a "please ask and I may say yes" date-touch policy was developed in response to some instances at the college of male hormonal overenthusiasm. Better this policy, however, than instances of rape and worse like those at other U.S. universities. Antioch is hardly obscure, nor a laughingstock. And don't count on reports of its premature death. If the outpouring of e-mails calling alums to arms and half a million dollars raised in less than 24 hours are any measure of an institution's heartbeat, Antioch is alive and well. Absent that, it will exist always in those who take seriously the college's famed motto: "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity." Not a bad way to lead a life. Or run a school. Eve would have been a graduate, for sure. And we would have been thrilled to have her. VICTORIA HOCHBERG Antioch College alumna Hollywood For 18 years, my wife has taught biology at Antioch College. During those years, I have met hundreds of students, and almost to the last one, they were respectful, mannerly, curious almost to a fault, intelligent and never boring. Their maturity and independence founded partially, I am sure, in their worldwide co-op experiences in my experience exceeds that of their contemporaries. Then, these committed students leave to become respected in many fields. In other words, the same cross-section of America emerges from Antioch that other colleges send out into the world every year. When Antioch's sexual-offense prevention policy (now adopted by other unmentioned universities) and the foolish claim that independent thinking is absent receive more attention than the contribution its graduates make to our society, I can only conclude that Meghan Daum is more interested in maligning Antioch than enlightening us about the remarkable legacy this college and its graduates have left. WILLIAM V. DYER Dayton, Ohio "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 08:20:09 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 08:33:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: Diverse Issues in Higher Education In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_8106.shtml Current News Antioch College Alumni Fight to Keep the College Open by Margaret Kamara Jul 6, 2007, 05:29 Email article Printer friendly Antioch College alumni have come up with a plan to keep the college open by having it sever ties with the Antioch University system and stand on its own. Separating the Yellow Springs, Ohio, college from the larger system would free the college from the authority of the systems board of trustees, says Rick Daily, the alumni board treasurer. The trustees recently decided to suspend the private liberal arts school until 2012. Instead, the college would form a separate board, overseen by current president Steven Lawry. While the idea has been promoted before, Daily says he hopes this time they will reach an agreement, given the pending closure of the college. The Antioch University system consists of six colleges and universities, located in California, New Hampshire, Ohio and Washington. Trustees issued a declaration of financial exigency and cited declining student enrollment and subsequent loss of tuition revenue as the primary factor behind its decision to suspend the college. Lynda Sirk, director of public relations and communications for the system, says the college relies on income from the other five institutions. From the very moment [Antioch College] was founded on the principle that it would be able to succeed based on tuition and not endowment, it has struggled financially, she says. At the current state of education today, [this principle] doesnt work. The four-year suspension is necessary, Sirk says, to ensure that Antioch College is able to reopen as a stronger and improved institution. More than 700 Antioch College alumni attended a reunion last month, which turned into Operation Save Antioch. Daily says he challenged his fellow alumni to raise $40,000 at the event. Within 18 hours, they had raised 10 times that amount; $424,000. The alumni also launched the College Revival Fund and created a Web site, www.antiochians.org. As of Tuesday, the group had raised $525,000 to help save the school. According to Sirk, the college needs $50 million by this fall to overturn the suspension Since the reunion meeting, alumni have also been hosting meetings in their home towns. Karen Mulhauser, the former president of the alumni board and a former trustee, hosted one such meeting last Sunday in her Washington, D.C., home. More than 80 alumni attended, including Lawry. The attendees reflected the sentiments of Antioch alumni around the country, expressing frustration about the late notification to alumni about the schools financial troubles. The suspension is to start June 1, 2008 and it will be the fourth time that the college has closed. Antioch College was found by the Christian Connexion in 1852. It was the first college within the Antioch university system, built under the sentiment of equality for all. Some of the colleges noteworthy alumni include the late civil rights activist Coretta Scott King, womens right activist Olympia Brown, Star Trek actor Leonard Nimoy and Washington, D.C.s Congressional delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton. - Margaret Kamara "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 09:07:00 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:19:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] McGregor and Duffy's story In-Reply-To: <404977.23484.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <404977.23484.qm@web53202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Caeli...thanks for your response...folks should also remember that the COLLEGE is one of the Eco-league members of Environmental colleges.... and eventually in its re-incarnate form folks want us to concentrate on environmental issues.. so bringing up how your cement was formed is a good "concrete" example of practicing your own propaganda. another reason to dredge up CEMEX history. Michael Jones in YS should respond ...he knows the most. Years ago I had materials on RESERVE about the way the cement was made..hmmmm. BTW I gave my tithe to ask the Lord to help us all..no joke...we are in need of extraordinary help. (although my other half yelled at me and said "why are you just giving to the Lord during your time of trouble?" mmmmmmm Next is an equivalent amount for both the regular Annual Fund (to pay for the toilet flushes and maybe my own severance) and also the Alumni association's revival fund. After that I will be lucky to pay bills...... My prayer was for the College to be totally independent and remain open even as a micro-college for awhile. the sooner the better. Faculty and staff here have really worked their tails off.... All I have to do is look at Wilberforce..5.9 miles from here ....which declared exigency and never closed. Granted they had some extra help from the UNCF ...but we have thousands of folks who I feel would only grudgingly help the College if it still were tethered to the University but would give abundantly if the College were autonmous. I have received many under the wire emails from folks who all seem to make the same promise...dunno if they are sincere..by why waste email to tell me stuff. And to beat all mcGregor is blooming its undergraduate studies program. Someone placed their undergrad course schedule on my keyboard this AM......we are just so cannibalized. The invasion of the campus..oops I mean..body snatchers. Remember that classic hoirror film... don't fall asleep....when you wake up ..you will look the same but you wiull lack any of your passions. Of course.....we had the one thing they really won't have...that roaming around the planet to co-op and abroad thing.... giving your larger dreams a test drive. And of course...McG folks are also working on their own set of dreams. I just feel that experience and study was our true market niche. an american tragedy...hope it reverses And yes, we have had some irritating cultural problems.....but I also believe if we had good true mentors and enough of them..those problems would be ameliorated. Sad thing is many places sweep sex, race and class issues under the rug....or act civil but are still fairly guilty of having terrible cultural baggage........ I know about the crazy stuff..I have lived here a coupla lifetimes....but it is better to go through the vexation than to be shallowly civil. BE ASHAMED TO LET (THIS) DIE Duffy.... like many others here in various stages of guilt, anxiety, frustration and anger.....some down moments as well. hurts terribly when your community is in critical condition...and you love it... Course schedule for McGregor Undergrad may follow later for folks perusal. From thanos at post.com Fri Jul 6 09:35:42 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:48:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! Message-ID: <20070706133542.88DEE1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> >Hopita at aol.com wrote >Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? > >Thanos? You on this list somewhere? > >- Hope '92 Still here - the last I heard the Little Art had the only film print of AA2, dunno what condition it's in. Does anybody know what happened to the 1-inch video master tape of AA1? It was in the hands of the Development Office when I left. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From thanos at post.com Fri Jul 6 09:43:14 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:56:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: McGregor and Duffy's story Message-ID: <20070706134314.5AA371BF2E0@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> duffy at antioch-college.edu wrote >.... and eventually in its re-incarnate form >folks want us to concentrate on environmental issues.. That's the best idea I've heard all day. That and refugee studies are the fields of the future. Combine with digital media and stir. Thanks for reminding about the Portland Cement kiln. I remember Fairborn residents complaining the paint on their trucks was peeling. And now AU is using that cement to build. Talk about toxicity. Hang in there, Duffy. -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From ccary60 at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 09:46:48 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:59:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: Diverse Issues in Higher Education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Funny they claim Leonard Nimoy is a College grad. He actually went to the Texas branch for a degree in education, I believe. McGregor later gave him an honorary degree. Callie On 7/6/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > http://www.diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_8106.shtml > > Current News > Antioch College Alumni Fight to Keep the College Open > > by Margaret Kamara > Jul 6, 2007, 05:29 Email article > Printer friendly > > Antioch College alumni have come up with a plan to keep the college open > by > having it sever ties with the Antioch University system and stand on its > own. > > Separating the Yellow Springs, Ohio, college from the larger system would > free the college from the authority of the system's board of trustees, > says > Rick Daily, the alumni board treasurer. The trustees recently decided to > suspend the private liberal arts school until 2012. > > Instead, the college would form a separate board, overseen by current > president Steven Lawry. While the idea has been promoted before, Daily > says > he hopes this time they will reach an agreement, given the pending closure > of the college. The Antioch University system consists of six colleges and > universities, located in California, New Hampshire, Ohio and Washington. > > Trustees issued a "declaration of financial exigency" and cited declining > student enrollment and subsequent loss of tuition revenue as the primary > factor behind its decision to suspend the college. > > Lynda Sirk, director of public relations and communications for the > system, > says the college relies on income from the other five institutions. > > "From the very moment [Antioch College] was founded on the principle that > it > would be able to succeed based on tuition and not endowment, it has > struggled financially," she says. "At the current state of education > today, > [this principle] doesn't work." > > The four-year suspension is necessary, Sirk says, to ensure that Antioch > College is able to reopen as a stronger and improved institution. > > More than 700 Antioch College alumni attended a reunion last month, which > turned into "Operation Save Antioch." Daily says he challenged his fellow > alumni to raise $40,000 at the event. Within 18 hours, they had raised 10 > times that amount; $424,000. The alumni also launched the College Revival > Fund and created a Web site, www.antiochians.org. As of Tuesday, the group > had raised $525,000 to help save the school. > > According to Sirk, the college needs $50 million by this fall to overturn > the suspension > > Since the reunion meeting, alumni have also been hosting meetings in their > home towns. > > Karen Mulhauser, the former president of the alumni board and a former > trustee, hosted one such meeting last Sunday in her Washington, D.C., > home. > More than 80 alumni attended, including Lawry. The attendees reflected the > sentiments of Antioch alumni around the country, expressing frustration > about the late notification to alumni about the school's financial > troubles. > > The suspension is to start June 1, 2008 and it will be the fourth time > that > the college has closed. > > Antioch College was found by the Christian Connexion in 1852. It was the > first college within the Antioch university system, built under the > sentiment of equality for all. > > Some of the college's noteworthy alumni include the late civil rights > activist Coretta Scott King, women's right activist Olympia Brown, Star > Trek > actor Leonard Nimoy and Washington, D.C.'s Congressional delegate Eleanor > Holmes Norton. > > - Margaret Kamara > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt > about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves > the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 09:51:45 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 10:04:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: Diverse Issues in Higher Education In-Reply-To: Message-ID: They might not have done so had they witnessed this little travesty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04 _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 09:57:24 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Jul 6 10:10:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402374.13664.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > I know there have been people on campus NONE of the > above applies to. But > they have been silenced, or intimidated into > silence. A lot of them have > left. If the power-elite at AC didn't want to > listen to the alums, they > could have at least listened to the voices of REASON > on campus. There are no power-elite at Antioch College. Obviously, this is the point you're failing to understand about what has existed in YS for the last 6 years. > Instead of any of the primary movers and shakers > taking responsibility for > any of this, what we get is fingers pointed > ELSEWHERE. Today it's the BoT, > which, given all the water under the bridge, I > consider hilarious. The primary Movers and Shakers ARE the BOT and the University Admin. And you're right. They're not taking responsibility for any of this. And you're only helping them shirk that responsibility. > I am not > happy with the BoT, but WHERE ARE THE ADULTS ON > CAMPUS WHO ARE GOING TO > ACKNOWLEDGE RESPONSIBILITY? Obviously, given the silence from the University Admin and the BOT, there AREN'T any. > Stop attacking > alumni who have had nothing to do with the power > grabs that have gone on at > Antioch for the past umpteen years- and indeed have > tried to stop them, Ah, yes, the "I told you so" argument. You win. > turn > around, face those who have been in power on campus > and ask--no, > DEMAND--accountability of the very people who have > been marching you, like > lemmings, to the sea for the past decade or so. I have been. Why don't you join me? Which part of "The university has controlled the college's finances since 02" didn't you understand? Which part of "The board...has made decisions" didn't you understand? All of it backed up by hard paper documentation. Which brings me to my last response: > But they are not > responsible for the > ridiculous dress-up games on the Yellow Springs > campus that have brought it > to its knees. Show me the data. Its time to show your cards, or let the people actually working on saving the college to get on with their work, uninterrupted. Any future response of yours is unnecessary, unless you have hard evidence and data that can support your position. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From tgseto at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 10:02:21 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Fri Jul 6 10:15:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <308DC5B5-BEBF-44E9-B097-2CC164A6648B@svaha.com> Message-ID: J. Greg Williams wrote: References: <20070706133542.88DEE1158CC@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The bookstore has copies of 1 and 2. There's also a #3 floating around. No idea where the 1-inch #1 is of if it still exists. Check with Sandy in the LIbrary and Carol Braun in communications Callie On 7/6/07, thanos wrote: > > >Hopita at aol.com wrote > > >Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? > > > >Thanos? You on this list somewhere? > > > >- Hope '92 > > Still here - the last I heard the Little Art had the only film print of > AA2, > dunno what condition it's in. Does anybody know what happened to the > 1-inch video master tape of AA1? It was in the hands of the Development > Office when I left. > > -- > We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! > Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From ccary60 at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 10:49:40 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Fri Jul 6 11:02:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: References: <308DC5B5-BEBF-44E9-B097-2CC164A6648B@svaha.com> Message-ID: On 7/6/07, Thelma Seto wrote: I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, sober, critical, analytical look at what has happened to this institution and collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. Clearly, the collective "WE," as you call it, will never be of one mind about the past, the present or the future. We're Antiochians who question everything and go on to be anachists, radicals, liberals, concervatives, right wing extremists, independents and yes, sometimes idiots in all catagories. Reunion was inspiring, motivational and positive and was a picture of the best of Antioch across the generations. Sure, there are lots of problems with what the college is today. I don't think anyone who works or studys there would say that changes aren't in order in some way, shape or form. The BoT swooped in and presented what they thought would turn it around. It failed. Although there should certainly be some alumni stakeholders involved, I would hope that as a group, the alumni are not interested in imposing yet another "plan" on the faculty, staff or students. The college has suffered long enough under a colonial model of authority. Finally, this sort of cyber discussion, while perhaps gratifying to those who want to remain at their computers and take pot shots at this person or that generation and make anyalitical pronouncments about the academically superior Antioch education they had or didn't have or the policy (or was it a relationship) that really pissed them off, but for me, I've sat long enough in the classroom--time to go on co-op. Callie From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 11:40:00 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 11:52:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So.... Whats up with the new Union? Just reading this issue of the Antiochian: http://www.antioch-college.edu/Antiochian/archive/Antiochian_2006fall/Antiochian_Fall2006.pdf In which the BoT affirmed that it would raise 8 million for a new student union. Did that money get raised? Or what Fraction there of? Is that 8 million included in Toni Murderocks $50 million? If so to save the college do we need 8 million less if we wanted to forgo the new Union for a little while until stability? Does that figure included money spent to bulldoze or rehab or reuse the old Union and Antioch Inn? ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 12:01:00 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 12:13:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As published in the Antiochian Fall 06: Steve Lawry said: My staff and I have developed a long-term strategic financial plan for the College. Based on what we characterize as moderate year-to-year growth in enrollments, the plan projects that the College can achieve financial balance by 2011. Achieving strong enrollments would be more difficult if we were to cut further key curricular capacities especially faculty positions or cut back on key functions in admissions and institutional development He also said: Our projections suggest that over the coming five years this investment budget will require an additional $20 million in budgetary support beyond what will be provided by tuition. The Board of Trustees gave me the green light to try to raise these needed funds from donations. We have succeeded in securing $15 million of the $20 million that we need, thanks to a few large donations and a great number of smaller donations from alumni across the country. We are facing our greatest proportion of shortfall in the coming financial year, when we will require $2.3 million of the $5 million we project the College will need over the next five years. We will be passing the hat before the end of todays session. Please give generously. Followed by: We project that the College will need $20 million of cash revenue over the coming five years above and beyond income provided by tuition. Raising these investment funds is a key goal of Phase II of the Campaign and I am pleased to report that the College has already secured $15 million of this amount. The Campaign Cabinet and the Board of Trustees have agreed that fund-raising focus on two key projects, construction of a new student union and major renovation of the Olive Kettering Library. These two projects will together cost about $13 million. So How much of that $13 million was raised? If the projected shortfall was $20 million over 5 years why do we need $10 million next year? If we were projected to be stable by 2011 and enrollement INCREASED since then, why the closing? Where is the money? How much do we REALLY need? Where are the documents that support these statements? How can we get them? Wish to strategize with accurate knowledge, ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From ccary60 at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 12:38:26 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Fri Jul 6 12:51:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations Message-ID: This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that donations to the new fund are tax-deductible. Callie If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. Contact Information: Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board Member (814) 644-7351 Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) 774-1142 From duffy at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 12:39:54 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 6 12:52:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, Your swarthiness..aka .Mr. Bello. this is Duffy xoxox Since I wuz on the budget committee as late as March 15th (before it moved back to the University side of the street) I can tell you about the long term budget hopefulness. I have told alumni-chat before but folks don't remember or simply delete. The budget ...and long term projections were based on certain hopes or points. And of course...figures flux and points change. The hopes were to have small incremental steps in tthe freshman classs 130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you must know, wuz a snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. The hope of balancing the budget was to have small incremental increases in the freshman class. and also try to raise the annual fund from its normal 1.5 million to 2.3 million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. if folks like you were to give what they could.... back to balancin g the spreadsheet... and at the same time with big donors' permission there were draw downs of some previously restricted monies. Which might have lasted 3 years. As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for the freshman class came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest base point for what would have been next year's budget. When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at that time was 110 deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be 20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid discounting.....and if each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man used to say that 48 students would equal 1 million in revenue) 25 short almost means an extra 500,000 dollar bandaid was needed. The annual fund had grown some....almost to the target...was up almost 28%....43% was the desire.. So projecting enrollment out with those snapshots made it look like the draw down would last only 2 years instead of three.....and the bean counters worried about the effect of this on the other centers...some of which may also be slightly fragile...maybe SoCAL...their problems in the Fall actually precipitated cuts here in feb. Revenues under last budget committe m eeting...from tuition were 14,000,000 total expenses 19,000,000 drawn down 4-5 million Now...after all this craziness....the snapshots will be different. Less tuition revenue........ maybe less employees... but still bonds to pay back, utilities and endless physical plant needs. maybe there will be an intersection where things look doable. It will have to be some number of millions. If the larger institution listens to its stake-holders and gives the College autonomy many donors will be be more generous than they have ever been...... will it be sufficient?........only time will tell.....hopefully a snowballing could happen. For example.many small donors, for example ....make the likelihood of foundations taking a second look at us more likely. We will need grants and foundation gifts to bridge the void as well..... We all worth it...which includes our legacy and you, dear friend. Keep asking questions......but remember the task is huge and everyone needs to help. antiochians.org Crazy Duffy '77 P.S. I looked at the petition in the YS news today and was surprised to see three names and had to laugh even. Cross and Naomi Delairre '80 and ian Delairre 2011. His dad used to work at the OK library with me......and the next generation is coming in spite of all. I promise to take care of him...have already sent him a facebook friend invite. what a trooper!! And one last nagging........split your donations between the regular Annual Fund and the Alumni Association's Revival Fund. Even a small amount for starts...in the end its all about the corner of the spreadsheet anyhow. I see you are in Austin? Make sure you contact Tim Eubanks '00 alum board member teubanks@austinvoices.org From ccary60 at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 12:40:49 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Fri Jul 6 12:53:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni do give... Message-ID: *Update from Rick Daily, Alumni Board Treasurer:* As of July 3, the College Revival Fund has reached a new total of *$525, 000.00!* In just one week, from its previous high of $424,000.00 which was raised in an unprecedented 18 hours during Reunion last weekend, the Fund has increased by over $100,000.00 in *cash*! From atmsteve at rcn.com Fri Jul 6 12:47:14 2007 From: atmsteve at rcn.com (Steve Andrews) Date: Fri Jul 6 12:58:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Callie, I'm sorry, but I don't see anything here about federal tax status... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Callie Cary [mailto:ccary60@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that donations to the new fund are tax-deductible. Callie If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. Contact Information: Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board Member (814) 644-7351 Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) 774-1142 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 12:52:58 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:05:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Callie, This is awesome. If those folks who are employed at places that do matching donations get it rolling we might break a mill by next week. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Callie Cary" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:38:26 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc10-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, >6 Jul 2007 09:38:30 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E293B6065EC9;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com >[66.249.82.235])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ACB6065EA8for >; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:51:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so236374wxdfor >; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.90.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr593115agy.1183739906988;Fri, 06 Jul >2007 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.90.116.3 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42wZtgaDtMWr8IDJiEDqLZ8mf+P0KUsm6TVEotIHoAJ5bqREf/yv1xE >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=t57fNeCv5cmbgFn2D87yLlZSxk6kL5e8S5JnmPc71WGJJoLsK4NjYFsf84h3g3qirXCzyLy1rM9gMeocZmreiGDToNMhPRnZXJM0bZE5cSRbE/oBT4KX5u3DndTGCIe3x1hi/srFJHBNqqgVhHPPQnJT2SM0pcR9RoWTiYMcsLQ= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=BA0s/MWLMKGCHDJoWQp+n5avtgy0kQue6weAD8uhMVdbYa69PeMNoAhO76+lqB74WpZXM/VpdF48NXhJq0MvdYIZtJhYs01naprZCxeyCrdJhKOKCuI6rNM7JV1LYM2YCBs3BkxM/QYP/VoXeKLal13eBQBRKCHs4XBl2U8Mlic= >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 16:38:31.0112 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1653B480:01C7BFEC] > >This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that donations >to the new fund are tax-deductible. >Callie > >If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival >Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia >Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account >no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > >Contact Information: > >Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 > >Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board >Member (814) 644-7351 > >Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) >774-1142 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 13:00:23 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:13:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Duffy, Thanks for the data. And much love. As always. I'll keep looking digging and asking. I believe we will win. love, ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Steven Duffy" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions >Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:39:54 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc6-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 >Jul 2007 09:39:24 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D516065EF9;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:52:10 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.mcgregor.edu (fc.antioch.edu [206.21.41.184])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80586065EE7;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 >12:52:07 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43kOJ82lGf6/5ebXr/l/NWLzlzGfwqKxTwJywArWfeQSiiS43gGkGGU >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >References: >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 16:39:24.0337 (UTC) >FILETIME=[360D3210:01C7BFEC] > >Hey, Your swarthiness..aka .Mr. Bello. this is Duffy xoxox > >Since I wuz on the budget committee as late as March 15th (before it moved >back to the University side of the street) >I can tell you about the long term budget hopefulness. I have told >alumni-chat before but folks don't remember or simply >delete. > >The budget ...and long term projections were based on certain hopes or >points. > >And of course...figures flux and points change. > >The hopes were to have small incremental steps in tthe freshman classs > >130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you must know, wuz a >snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. > >The hope of balancing the budget was to have small incremental increases >in the freshman class. > >and also try to raise the annual fund from its normal 1.5 million to 2.3 >million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. > >if folks like you were to give what they could.... > > >back to balancin g the spreadsheet... >and at the same time with big donors' permission there were draw downs of >some previously restricted monies. > >Which might have lasted 3 years. > >As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for the freshman class >came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but >that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... > >and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest base point for what >would have been next year's budget. > > >When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at that time was 110 >deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be > >20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid discounting.....and if >each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man used to > >say that 48 students would equal 1 million in revenue) 25 short almost >means an extra 500,000 dollar bandaid was needed. >The annual fund had grown some....almost to the target...was up almost >28%....43% was the desire.. > >So projecting enrollment out with those snapshots made it look like the >draw down would last only 2 years instead > >of three.....and the bean counters worried about the effect of this on the >other centers...some of which may also > >be slightly fragile...maybe SoCAL...their problems in the Fall actually >precipitated cuts here in feb. > >Revenues under last budget committe m eeting...from tuition were >14,000,000 total expenses 19,000,000 drawn down 4-5 million > > >Now...after all this craziness....the snapshots will be different. Less >tuition revenue........ > > maybe less employees... but still bonds to pay back, utilities and >endless physical plant needs. > maybe there will be an intersection where things look doable. >It will have to be some number of > millions. > > If the larger institution listens to its stake-holders and gives >the College autonomy many donors will > be be more generous than they have ever been...... > > will it be sufficient?........only time will tell.....hopefully a >snowballing could happen. > > For example.many small donors, for example ....make the >likelihood of foundations taking a second look > at us more likely. > > We will need grants and foundation gifts to bridge the void as >well..... > > We all worth it...which includes our legacy and you, dear >friend. > > Keep asking questions......but remember the task is huge and >everyone needs to help. > > > antiochians.org > > Crazy Duffy '77 > >P.S. I looked at the petition in the YS news today and was surprised to >see three names and had to laugh even. >Cross and Naomi Delairre '80 and ian Delairre 2011. > >His dad used to work at the OK library with me......and the next >generation is coming in spite of all. >I promise to take care of him...have already sent him a facebook friend >invite. what a trooper!! > >And one last nagging........split your donations between the regular >Annual Fund and the Alumni Association's >Revival Fund. > >Even a small amount for starts...in the end its all about the corner of >the spreadsheet anyhow. > >I see you are in Austin? Make sure you contact Tim Eubanks '00 alum board >member teubanks@austinvoices.org > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From ccary60 at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 13:02:42 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:15:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't address that but I'm betting you can a status report on that from Nancy Crow '70, the new Alumni Association Board Chair at: * ncrow@penberg.com* ** On 7/6/07, Steve Andrews wrote: > > Callie, I'm sorry, but I don't see anything here about federal tax > status... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Callie Cary [mailto:ccary60@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations > > > This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that > donations > to the new fund are tax-deductible. > Callie > > If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival > Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia > Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into > account > no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > > Contact Information: > > Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 > > Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board > Member (814) 644-7351 > > Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) > 774-1142 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From dawn at mediawonk.com Fri Jul 6 13:39:53 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Fri Jul 6 13:52:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone contacted John Draper (star of the AA,,) to ask him to appear at the fundraiser? He lives in Dayton. A Q&A session about the 'making of' might be fun and draw more attendance. Perhaps another screening on a different date with Julia Reichart and her work? Contact me off line if you want John Draper's contact info. Dawn '83 dawn@mediawonk.com On 7/5/07 8:38 PM, "Hopita@aol.com" wrote: > > > Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? > > Thanos? You on this list somewhere? > > - Hope '92 > > > In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kokeefe@antioch-college.edu writes: > > > Hello! > > Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of > about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. > > A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny > Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission to do > a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either > July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of ours, > The Antioch > Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, and a > large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and fun > activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, but an > activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more details as > soon as we have them. > > If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from > donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working at a > donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the two > of us and we'd love your help! > > Kelly O'Keefe > > PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) > > > > > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution > inevitable." > - John F. Kennedy > > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this > without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor > protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > From aadole at adelphia.net Fri Jul 6 17:47:20 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Fri Jul 6 15:04:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/6/07 7:49 AM, "Callie Cary" wrote: I agree with Cailie. It's the faculty, the president, the staff, and the students who will carry the heavy loads if AC is renewed. We can make observations and suggestions from afar. We can donate if we see merit. We can provide Scott and Bob and Duffy and Chris and Kelley and the rest still in Yellow Springs with psychological support. We alumni are like members of the Red Sox nation; we live or die with the team but we don't pitch, catch, or bat. Fans can demand that the manager be fired but we can't replace him ourselves. Think about it. Art Dole > On 7/6/07, Thelma Seto wrote: > I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, sober, > critical, analytical look at what has happened to this institution and > collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. > > Clearly, the collective "WE," as you call it, will never be of one mind > about the past, the present or the future. We're Antiochians who question > everything and go on to be anachists, radicals, liberals, concervatives, > right wing extremists, independents and yes, sometimes idiots in all > catagories. > Reunion was inspiring, motivational and positive and was a picture of the > best of Antioch across the generations. From kokeefe at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 14:54:58 2007 From: kokeefe at antioch-college.edu (Kelly O'Keefe) Date: Fri Jul 6 15:07:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Adventure Benefit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: THE ANTIOCH ADVENTURE BENEFIT @ THE LITTLE ART THEATRE Saturday, July 21 3PM Free entry, donations strongly encouraged. We'll have raffles with prizes, snacks and Antioch souvenirs. And hopefully a speaker or two. Any volunteers? 1. I'd love to show #2--I'm checking into it. I've heard that there's a very recent #3 out there, too. I've also heard that it's six hours long...we'll see. I might also show the three parts of it in Kelly Hall during fall term, inviting the Antioch Community and the larger community. Or do a weekend film fest with Antioch-related films. (There's the Twilight Zone with the "Horace Mann" character, Horace Mann's Miracle, PCU, and maybe a good senior project or two. There's so much we can do.) Good idea. 2. I'll contact John Draper in Dayton...fabulous. How often do we get to talk to the star of a movie after we watch it? I think that this is a great fundraiser that could be done, perhaps, in any of the chapters of the Alum for Antioch. Especially since the first (I'm not sure about the other two) movie isn't copyrighted, there's not a bunch of red tape to get around. And it always gets good conversations started. If you're interested, I made some cool fliers for it. Keep the suggestions coming! Kelly '08 (Bingle Banger 04-06) kokeefe@antioch-college.edu Alumni Chat List on Friday, July 6, 2007 at 1:39 PM wrote: >Has anyone contacted John Draper (star of the AA,,) to ask him to appear >at >the fundraiser? He lives in Dayton. A Q&A session about the 'making of' >might be fun and draw more attendance. Perhaps another screening on a >different date with Julia Reichart and her work? > > >Contact me off line if you want John Draper's contact info. > > >Dawn '83 >dawn@mediawonk.com > > >On 7/5/07 8:38 PM, "Hopita@aol.com" wrote: > >> >> >> Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? >> >> Thanos? You on this list somewhere? >> >> - Hope '92 >> >> >> In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> kokeefe@antioch-college.edu writes: >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of >> about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. >> >> A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny >> Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission >to do >> a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either >> July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of >ours, >> The Antioch >> Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, >and a >> large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and >fun >> activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, >but an >> activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more >details as >> soon as we have them. >> >> If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from >> donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working >at a >> donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the >two >> of us and we'd love your help! >> >> Kelly O'Keefe >> >> PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) >> >> >> >> >> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent >revolution >> inevitable." >> - John F. Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security >Agency >> may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may >do >> this >> without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor >> protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From timothynoble at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 16:19:25 2007 From: timothynoble at gmail.com (Tim Noble) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:32:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Look, let's forget the union for a couple years, ok? The idea boys have their priorities backwards, as joe would say. Focus on the library. It's 30 years overdue for an expansion and rennovation (the seating space is all stacks now, but the collection is phenomenal and irreplaceable). We're a community of intellectuals, right? fancy gamerooms and all that can wait. we don't need a food court and big screen tv's. we need to show the world that we're serious about learning. First building we fix must be the library. Along with some temporary housing to hold all the students that will start coming? hope so. The numbers in their plans list 8million for a union, 5 million for the library and the library is second. We know that the union offends the senses of a lot of the older alumni, but how about an intense workproject weekend deepcleaning the place while the library gets the serious construction. There are plenty of plans and papers in joe cali's files to pull from. Funding the library is the one thing that people of all generations can agree on. And what about WYSO? let's put that on the negotiating table too. I'm in agreement with Gerry, but I think we also need to think about building again, instead of just NOT demolishing. the youtube video of norment burning broke my heart... my 2 cents, tim On 7/6/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > So.... > > Whats up with the new Union? Just reading this issue of the Antiochian: > > http://www.antioch-college.edu/Antiochian/archive/Antiochian_2006fall/Antiochian_Fall2006.pdf > > In which the BoT affirmed that it would raise 8 million for a new student > union. Did that money get raised? Or what Fraction there of? > > Is that 8 million included in Toni Murderocks $50 million? > > If so to save the college do we need 8 million less if we wanted to forgo > the new Union for a little while until stability? > > Does that figure included money spent to bulldoze or rehab or reuse the old > Union and Antioch Inn? > > ----G > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 16:28:34 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:41:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Agreed... but how much of that 8 or 13 million has been collected? Where did it go? Can it be used for something else? I'd love to see Big Olive get a boost, but if money was collected for it where are the plans and whats the timeline? Did that money go somewhere else? If so where? WYSO is NOT on the negotionating table. It's ours... they cant have it. Like many other things... ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From pas0705 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 16:56:47 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Fri Jul 6 17:09:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <184581.49579.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > The hopes were to have small incremental steps in > tthe freshman classs > > 130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you > must know, wuz a > snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. > > The hope of balancing the budget was to have small > incremental increases > in the freshman class. > > and also try to raise the annual fund from its > normal 1.5 million to 2.3 > million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. > As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for > the freshman class > came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but > that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... > > and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest > base point for what > would have been next year's budget. > > > When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at > that time was 110 > deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be > > 20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid > discounting.....and if > each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man > used to All of this points to the fact that the BIGGEST impact to the budget happened with the 2005 fall class being only 60 students. I HIGHLY doubt that falling short of 20 new students this year is the cause of a reportedly $5mil deficit next year. So, our undeniable facts are: -An enrollment of only 60 new students has a SIGNIFICANT 4-year impact, due to retention rates. -The University KNEW in the summer of 2005 that there were only going to be 60 new students that fall -The BoT KNEW in the summer of 2005 that there was going to be a SIGNIFICANTLY higher cost of 'supporting' the renewal plan with a fall 2005 enrollment class of 1/3 what was planned. Leads to the questions- 1- What budgetary projections were made in the Summer of 05 regarding the 4-year sustainability of that size enrollment class? 2- Why is the 2006-2007 budget at such significant odds of that original projection, such that layoffs occur in march of 07? 3- What significant fund raising effort did the BoT AND the University Chancellor implement in the summer of 2005 to cover the 4-year negative impact of the Fall of 05 enrollment class? 4- Did the BoT consider suspending capital campaign fund raising for the endowment to support the increased costs of operating Antioch College during the implementation of the renewal plan? 5- What has happened in 06-07 that: a) Could not have been anticipated in the Summer of 05 knowing the size of that year's enrollment class? b) Is of such significant surprise that the University is looking at a REPEATING $5 mil deficit that THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE? 6- If an enrollment class of size 60 is such a significant impact that it causes the closure of the college 2 years later, and we're taken by surprise by this fact, WHO WAS ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH, AND WHY ARE THEY STILL THERE? Falling short of 20 enrollments in June does not close a college! Falling 600k short of an annual fund does not close a college! -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From debra.oswald at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 18:05:30 2007 From: debra.oswald at gmail.com (Debra Oswald) Date: Fri Jul 6 18:18:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Chronicle: Alumni Seek Split Between College and University Message-ID: <6b4250550707061505h445356e8u735a74414d8bee86@mail.gmail.com> >From the Chronicle of Higher Education: News Blog http://chronicle.com/news/article/2629/antioch-college-alumni-seek-split-between-college-and-university July 6, 2007 Antioch College Alumni Seek Split Between College and University Antioch College alumni are circulating a resolution that calls for splitting the college away from Antioch University, which operates five nonresidential campuses from Seattle to New Hampshire. The resolution, which was signed by 500 alumni at a reunion at the college's Ohio campus late last month, requests that an autonomous board of trustees be created for the college, which is to be shuttered next year (The Chronicle, June 29). The alumni want a merger between the college and the university's McGregor branch, which is located adjacent to the college's historic but decrepit campus in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and they want the college's assets to be preserved solely for the use of the Yellow Springs institution. University officials say the college, which had been drowning in debt for years, had stayed afloat with money from the other campuses. Antioch alumni have created a college-revival fund to prevent the looming closure. They have raised $525,000 as of Tuesday, according to the Antiochians Web site. ?Paul Fain Posted on Friday July 6, 2007 From totally at svaha.com Fri Jul 6 19:01:30 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Fri Jul 6 19:15:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> For those who don't wish to read long self indulgent responses, I warn you now :) On Jul 6, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Thelma Seto wrote: > I was responding to a question from Mark Pomerantz: Why did alumni > quit giving as they once did? Why were they NOT giving to the > College? as I expect you already know. I believe the statistics have been put out there that show Antioch Alumni give about the same as most Alumni at other institutions (a number of 40% of alumni give I believe) > My point, Greg, was that the move away from academics and reason > and towards political correctness has hurt this institution, and > that the way concerned alumni were treated when they tried to find > out what was going on before opening their checkbooks has > everything to do with why they stopped giving, or giving in the > amounts they used to. I remember the big debate back in the 90's when we all got together and decided we didn't like reason any more and would rather pursue this nebulous concept of political correctness, boy what a community meeting that was. Seriously though, we raised $424K in about 18 hours at reunion of which my check was but one. This was due to the amazing togetherness of everyone there. We all (70 years of collective Antiochians) agreed it is worth saving and have put much work into it already to ensure that we can. > I don't care if you wear dresses or not, Greg. It was a metaphor. > I noticed there are only two permanent English Dept. faculty. Your > lack of understanding metaphor is a good reason to beef up the > English faculty, although I expect your understanding of metaphor > is good enough to comprehend what I was saying. I see, now your personally attacking me and my ability to understand metaphor, and I do take offense. I was trying to be ironically funny by pointing out your cultural bias. Yes you don't like the "dress up games", and it's not really clear what you mean by that other than you don't like it. Because you don't like it, that's why nobody gives like they used to and that's the reason the College is being closed. Messy reasoning, and I don't agree. > Does the College "deserve" to be closed? The present program isn't > working. Let's be very very clear (again). The program was working, the college had 650 students and was increasing two years ago and the statistics of what those students go on to do after Antioch College is pretty impressive. The mandated change in curriculum and the breaking of the commitment by the University to fund it is why we are here right now. > We need help from others who are going to want these questions > asked and answered before they will entertain the idea of helping. > Will I give a penny to the continuation of the College as it > presently exists? No. I personally will not. I apologize, you seem to not be aware of what we are trying to build. I understand your frustration as it is something we all share. I would encourage you to visit http:// chapters.antiochians.org and connect with some local people and start to plug into the effort. We are working on solutions and trying to create a structure that can better govern the College. It's clear that the current structure is incapable of running the College successfully. I agree that we need to build a clear structure that is trustable before many people will start giving. This is what we are working very hard to do. > Perhaps, as CM during the pertinent years, you can tell me: What > happened during Jim Crowfoot's time? Why was he fired/resigned? > And how did this come about? That is not something I feel qualified to speak about and I don't see it as productive to preventing the closing of the college but I am curious about your idea of what the "pertinent years" is? > another faculty member > > Sorry. Not an "anecdote [...] about hearsay of". This was this > faculty member's experience. You can discount it, if you like. > You can make that faculty member the problem. You can make ME the > problem for bringing it to your attention. It is not an isolated > experience, however. I'm not trying to blame anyone, but this is not something new you are bringing to my attention. Cultural clashes happen everywhere and Antioch is no exception, the difference being that people tend to be more vocal and passionate at Antioch and actually engage each other in debate. Things that I value greatly about the College. I do not discount that there are people, both students and faculty, who do not have a good experience at Antioch. I've spoken to many a perspective student and parent, and I always emphasize that Antioch is not for everyone. And before you try and put elitist words in my mouth, let me explain. Many things are in motion at Antioch not the least of which is the co-op program. It is that motion, that constant change, that is both it's boon and it's bane. If you are grounded enough, you can learn a lot from constant change. I do believe there are ways to mitigate this without changing the experience but removing co-op in order to have a more "normal" stable college environment really defeats the purpose of our distinctive model. This is one of the major problems with the mandated curriculum change, in my humble opinion. > He found the student body very close-minded BECAUSE of the campus- > wide push towards out-PCing each other. I have heard the same > thing from many, many others--including recent students. Denial is > a dangerous place to live, Greg. It's also not very comfortable. Okay I need you to define PC because you throw the term around a lot and I don't believe it is valid. There are lots of little anecdotes that get tossed around and I'll pick one as an example. If a student is wearing a Nike brand shoe, and another student confronts that student about the business practices of said company. Is this a push towards out "PC'ing" each other? Or is this a responsible challenge to an existing established thought? If the person wearing the shoes feels threatened, how do we enable that person to stand up for themselves intellectually as opposed to hiding behind the fear of being called out by the mythical PC police? Antioch is debate, and it is challenging, and it is intense and students need to be prepared properly for the passion and diversity of each others ideas and causes. Duffy was very apt in pointing out the one thing we could really use more of is mentorship. Intelligent people who can provide insight into the battles already fought and give historical reference without degenerating into an attack on whatever particular aspect of Antioch culture they find most disagreeable. > If only the people who are presently there can POSSIBLY understand > anything about how Antioch College came to this impasse, then > perhaps only the people who are presently there can keep the > College open with their own generous contributions. Obviously, > they cannot. straw man, obviously it burns. > So you're going to have to let the bigger world into your > consciousness. And if students looking for colleges to attend have > questions about this sort of stuff (one very bright, creative, > Springfield-raised 20-year-old told me among his peers, Antioch is > thought of as a "joke"), and you aren't willing to look closely at > what they are questioning, you aren't going to have very many > students and you won't be able to keep the College open, even if > you manage to "save" it. > > Saving Antioch requires a serious look at what went wrong. I agree, but please don't put words into my mouth, Thelma. I never said that only those there can possibly understand. Again, I take offense at your insinuation that my consciousness is small and needs to be filled with your bigger world view. And I don't believe we (antiochians) "obviously" can't keep the College open, as that is a story still being written. Indeed I've been spending a majority of my time trying to ensure that we can keep it open. If you don't think this is a worthwhile goal, please state that outright and move on. Just because a very bright 20 year old thinks Antioch is a joke doesn't make it so. > < Your personal attacks on the people working hard to make a > serious difference in the direction of this College are also > pretty frustrating. > > And I think one person in particular, who is a former College > President and therefore fair game, Greg, is responsible for a lot > of the harmful changes on campus. He isn't solely responsible. > But he really pushed things beyond a sustainable level, as we can > ALL see by the crisis we are presently trying to address. So, now I'd like to hear your thoughts on how Bob Devine is responsible for most of the harmful changes, and especially curious as to what was pushed beyond a sustainable level. Not that I'm falling into your narrative because I strongly believe, as President Lawry declared during the State of the College Address, that the problems are directly related to the structure of the University itself. The College is unable to be represented directly to the board and thus it's concerns are masked by layers of bureaucracy. This is what we are working to solve, this is the problem among all else that has led to a significant drop in enrollment in the last 2 years which puts the College on shaky ground, threatened with closure. > *I* don't "deserve some focus". I am focusing on you because by convincing you that Antioch is worth saving, I'm hoping to convince many. Unfortunately, it seems you've long had umbrage with the quality of the College even when presented with the facts. Taken from my archives of the Alumni-chat list: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Thelma G Seto wrote: > > >> It's obvious quality of students and program both have slid and I >> don't >> think it's anyone's fault. There are a lot of social forces, >> internal to >> the institution and societal, that contribute. Antioch isn't >> alone in >> this. The question is: Is there anything here to save? >> >> --Thelma >> > > That's an odd thing for me to hear, being that I was just talking > today with someone here on campus about two students winning major > national awards last semester, one from the National Meterological > Society (only awarded to 15 juniors and seniors in the country) and > the > other from the Fulbright Scholarship program. And last year's > commencement saw another Fulbright Scholar, who--from I read in the > Antiochian--is conducting her research in West Africa. For such a > small > student body, I thought that was pretty commendable. > > Perhaps comparable national honors were more common in your day. > > Dana Clark Felty '98 Again I encourage you to connect locally and work towards our collective goal of preventing this closure. > I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, > sober, critical, analytical look at what has happened to this > institution and collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. I agree, that is definitely something that also needs to be done. I look forward to reading your contributions to the long, sober, critical, analytical look. > if you are not willing to be honest about what has gone on. What exactly am I not willing be honest about? My priorities right now above my job and most of my social contacts is to try and save something I believe very dearly in. I'm not in denial. I hold no illusions that Antioch College is a utopia. I know there are structural and fiscal and cultural problems. Chief among them seems to be cannibalism. I do not agree with everything that has happened, or is said at, or about the College but I believe without a doubt that it is a unique and engaging place and one worth more the all my efforts. I do believe very strongly, that I would not be the person I am today without this College and that I am very happy with who I have become because of it. I realize it is often difficult to both express and interpret ideas and intentions through the written word alone and so I encourage you to contact me directly if it will help you ascertain my sincerity and credibility as an Antiochian. J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) Cell: 727.204.9706 Aim: totallyGreg Googletalk: totallyGreg From scoulter at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 19:12:07 2007 From: scoulter at antioch-college.edu (Sandy Coulter) Date: Fri Jul 6 19:24:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: $5mil was proposed to RENOVATE the Library. The $18mil was proposed to build a NEW Union. This is what Joe told me needed to be done - tear done the Gym and build a NEW Library there then tear down the Library and build a NEW Gym where the Library used to be. My suggestion to Steve was to build a NEW Library where Presidents was before it was torn down. When Joe died this past February, Debra Goodman started a "Don't Fall Down" fund for building a new Library. I can't tell you how much has been contributed (some people designated for a new building, others for books, etc.). It would be criminal to let Joe's legacy, in the form of our collection, be dismantled (not that anyone has said they will do this). I know, from speaking with some of the accreditation team when they were first here, that it is one of the best they had ever scene - especially in certain sciences and literature. Yes, we have ratty carpeting, patched with duct tape, crumbling walls, ugly painted walls and many other cosmetic deficiencies. BUT, we are still what is called a NET LENDER (we lend more of our collection than we borrow from others). Here's hoping the gods smile on us and we're here a year from now. From kristiketchum at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 01:40:17 2007 From: kristiketchum at hotmail.com (Kristi) Date: Fri Jul 6 20:04:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bottom line - what needs to happen Message-ID: We?ve talked about a lot of things but I don?t know if we?ve actually come to general agreement on what would need to happen to keep the college from being shut down? Is it simply money ? a dollar amount that we could offer up to the University? If it?s a dollar and cents issue ? Can or have we hit up ?famous? Antiochians (you know ? the ones on the website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould), connected Antiochians (Steve Schwerner and others), former instructors or relatives of instructors (Dave Chappelle whose dad taught at Antioch)? Can or have we contacted all of the living ?noteworthy alumni? from the webpage? Can Yellow Springs residents make a donation to the revival fund? Is it pressure? Who do we need on board to get the attention of the Board? Alumni? Village residents? If it?s a publicity issue ? Can or have we contacted the many radio and television professionals who got their start at WYSO? Just a few ideas. Kristi Ketchum 1999 From scoulter at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 20:12:35 2007 From: scoulter at antioch-college.edu (Sandy Coulter) Date: Fri Jul 6 20:24:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bottom line - what needs to happen In-Reply-To: <000001c7c028$c2b0a5d0$4100a8c0@KKLaptop> References: <000001c7c028$c2b0a5d0$4100a8c0@KKLaptop> Message-ID: Alumni Chat List on Friday, July 06, 2007 at 1:40 AM -0500 wrote: > > >Can or have we hit up ?famous? Antiochians (you know ? the ones on the >website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould) You can't hit up Stephen J. Gould - he died a few years ago. > > As for the Village residents - Duffy was told that one businessman in Yellow Springs came in and made a $0,000 donation earlier this week. > > Sandy Coulter Library Assistant / Serials Antioch College Library Yellow Springs, OH 45387-1694 (937)769-1235 scoulter@antioch-college.edu "Don't Fall Down! That's the whole key." Joe Cali > From scoulter at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 20:13:42 2007 From: scoulter at antioch-college.edu (Sandy Coulter) Date: Fri Jul 6 20:25:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Bottom line - what needs to happen In-Reply-To: References: <000001c7c028$c2b0a5d0$4100a8c0@KKLaptop> <,> Message-ID: oops! - make that $40,000! Sandy From sjr5 at nyu.edu Fri Jul 6 20:26:19 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Fri Jul 6 20:42:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rowan, here's the draft summary of Antioch history pertaining to the current crisis. There are a lot of points that need verification, e.g., I can't seem to find anywhere when McGregor was opened. It's also partially my opinions about what's been going on. Please don't circulate this, but let me know if you think it's a basis for any sort of document. -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From edhush at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 21:38:46 2007 From: edhush at yahoo.com (Ed Hush) Date: Fri Jul 6 21:51:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <430666.15746.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yeah- enough destroying. I agree w/ Tim- the Union(Bldg) can wait- we can't forget to work something out with the Union(UE), maybe Alumni work project can be to clean the Union Bldg?!!!? The Library- WORD-UP about being serious on the learning- WHAAAAAAT! What about Dorms? Do we have enough? The units as doubles is barbarically rediculous! OR even better- if we form a Public Private Partnership with YS- can that serve as a temporary update for new dorms (in the form of apartments around town) to up conditions like computer access(?) and to tap into other sources of community building like State funding to make that a reality? But YO- don't front on the Gym- if the community used it more properly- there'd be a lot less stress- something should be done. . ! Yeah- Nick Sz said something about his local radiostation selling for like 20 Mil or something- maybe WYSO could be moved peripherally to the center of campus, on campus property so as to still collect rent) and be sold for additional revenue to the same buyer, who wasn't a clearchannel destroyer, maybe a little more homogenous- or so I heard, but still community radio- it MIGHT be worth it- but I really don't know details. . . Nick?!? My sense and a half. . . One Dream, Ed Trippel '92 Tim Noble wrote: Look, let's forget the union for a couple years, ok? The idea boys have their priorities backwards, as joe would say. Focus on the library. It's 30 years overdue for an expansion and rennovation (the seating space is all stacks now, but the collection is phenomenal and irreplaceable). We're a community of intellectuals, right? fancy gamerooms and all that can wait. we don't need a food court and big screen tv's. we need to show the world that we're serious about learning. First building we fix must be the library. Along with some temporary housing to hold all the students that will start coming? hope so. The numbers in their plans list 8million for a union, 5 million for the library and the library is second. We know that the union offends the senses of a lot of the older alumni, but how about an intense workproject weekend deepcleaning the place while the library gets the serious construction. There are plenty of plans and papers in joe cali's files to pull from. Funding the library is the one thing that people of all generations can agree on. And what about WYSO? let's put that on the negotiating table too. I'm in agreement with Gerry, but I think we also need to think about building again, instead of just NOT demolishing. the youtube video of norment burning broke my heart... my 2 cents, tim On 7/6/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > So.... > > Whats up with the new Union? Just reading this issue of the Antiochian: > > http://www.antioch-college.edu/Antiochian/archive/Antiochian_2006fall/Antiochian_Fall2006.pdf > > In which the BoT affirmed that it would raise 8 million for a new student > union. Did that money get raised? Or what Fraction there of? > > Is that 8 million included in Toni Murderocks $50 million? > > If so to save the college do we need 8 million less if we wanted to forgo > the new Union for a little while until stability? > > Does that figure included money spent to bulldoze or rehab or reuse the old > Union and Antioch Inn? > > ----G > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > _______________________________________________ SaveAntioch mailing list SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org ONE DREAM ONE MIND ONE HEART ONE PEOPLE POWER IS THE PEOPLE POWER IS THE IMAGINATION --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. From scoulter at antioch-college.edu Fri Jul 6 22:06:03 2007 From: scoulter at antioch-college.edu (Sandy Coulter) Date: Fri Jul 6 22:18:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... In-Reply-To: <430666.15746.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <430666.15746.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ed, Not dissing the Gym. just reporting what Joe said many times (and he used to use the Gym a lot) The license for the radio station is issued to the University. It doesn't belong to the College anymore. :( Sandy From tgseto at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 22:06:36 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Fri Jul 6 22:19:29 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> Message-ID: Greg-- I've been answering private posts to my message to the chat for over eight hours so please forgive me if I am not the most tactful--something I'm not known to be, anyhow. Perhaps, as CM during the pertinent years, you can tell me: What happened >during Jim Crowfoot's time? Why was he fired/resigned? And how did this >come about? That is not something I feel qualified to speak about and I don't see it as productive to preventing the closing of the college but I am curious about your idea of what the "pertinent years" is? I think it is productive--unpleasant, perhaps, but productive in understanding the present. It appears to me--not having any solid information since no one will talk about it, I don't know for sure--to be related to the discrediting of Steve Lawry that is going on here. For the record, I think the most helpful thing we can do is ASK Steve--HELLO--what he needs us to do and provide support to him in this very difficult time, instead of jumping on the bandwagon that wants to blame him for a situation he did not create. As I understand it, Jim Crowfoot left in 1996 so I thought, since you were CM and on-campus, you would have information for those of us who were not. Surely you are qualified to speak about this. Message-ID: <796231.55640.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Forgive my Franglish, all, but WHAT HAVE THEY GODDAMNED NOT RAPED AND PILLAGED FROM OUR COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT AND HOW THE HELL IS IT NOT ILLEGAL AND THAT THEY CANNOT BE HELD LIABLE AS INDIVIDUALS IN A COURT OF LAW?!? EVERYTHING THAT WAS THE COLLEGE'S IS NOW, OVER TIME, THE PROPERTY OF THE UNIVERSITY!!! THIS IS REDICULOUS. You see, at this point; I'm just curious. . . One Dream, Ed Trippel, '92 Sandy Coulter wrote: Ed, Not dissing the Gym. just reporting what Joe said many times (and he used to use the Gym a lot) The license for the radio station is issued to the University. It doesn't belong to the College anymore. :( Sandy _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat ONE DREAM ONE MIND ONE HEART ONE PEOPLE POWER IS THE PEOPLE POWER IS THE IMAGINATION --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From degamuna at yahoo.com Sat Jul 7 00:06:15 2007 From: degamuna at yahoo.com (Dega Muna) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:19:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20070706232428.CE4526066E7D@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <70946.92888.qm@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, It is me, dega in NYC. I think I should have an Antioch fundraising night where all the profits go to the college. I just got the idea from the post about a fundraiser for Antioch College in Yellow Springs. How can I get the film The Antioch Adventure, circa 1967? I own a caf? in NYC, have already donated what I could afford. If any dedicated Antiochians in NYC want to talk and do this idea with me in any way, planning, hosting, and doing whatever to make it happen, please let me know. I will be at the meeting soon. Dega Omar alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu You can reach the person managing the list at alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: State of the college address '06... Questions (Steven Duffy) 2. Alumni do give... (Callie Cary) 3. RE: Tax deductable donations (Steve Andrews) 4. RE: Tax deductable donations (Gerry Bello) 5. Re: State of the college address '06... Questions (Gerry Bello) 6. Re: Tax deductable donations (Callie Cary) 7. Re: Re: [SaveAntioch] Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! (Dawn Scribner) 8. Re: re: lack of support for Antioch (Art Dole) 9. Antioch Adventure Benefit (Kelly O'Keefe) 10. Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... (Tim Noble) 11. Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... (Gerry Bello) 12. Re: State of the college address '06... Questions (Laura Fathauer) 13. Chronicle: Alumni Seek Split Between College and University (Debra Oswald) 14. Long response, slightly relevant (J. Greg Williams) 15. Re: Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... (Sandy Coulter) From: "Steven Duffy" CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:39:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions Hey, Your swarthiness..aka .Mr. Bello. this is Duffy xoxox Since I wuz on the budget committee as late as March 15th (before it moved back to the University side of the street) I can tell you about the long term budget hopefulness. I have told alumni-chat before but folks don't remember or simply delete. The budget ...and long term projections were based on certain hopes or points. And of course...figures flux and points change. The hopes were to have small incremental steps in tthe freshman classs 130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you must know, wuz a snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. The hope of balancing the budget was to have small incremental increases in the freshman class. and also try to raise the annual fund from its normal 1.5 million to 2.3 million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. if folks like you were to give what they could.... back to balancin g the spreadsheet... and at the same time with big donors' permission there were draw downs of some previously restricted monies. Which might have lasted 3 years. As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for the freshman class came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest base point for what would have been next year's budget. When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at that time was 110 deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be 20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid discounting.....and if each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man used to say that 48 students would equal 1 million in revenue) 25 short almost means an extra 500,000 dollar bandaid was needed. The annual fund had grown some....almost to the target...was up almost 28%....43% was the desire.. So projecting enrollment out with those snapshots made it look like the draw down would last only 2 years instead of three.....and the bean counters worried about the effect of this on the other centers...some of which may also be slightly fragile...maybe SoCAL...their problems in the Fall actually precipitated cuts here in feb. Revenues under last budget committe m eeting...from tuition were 14,000,000 total expenses 19,000,000 drawn down 4-5 million Now...after all this craziness....the snapshots will be different. Less tuition revenue........ maybe less employees... but still bonds to pay back, utilities and endless physical plant needs. maybe there will be an intersection where things look doable. It will have to be some number of millions. If the larger institution listens to its stake-holders and gives the College autonomy many donors will be be more generous than they have ever been...... will it be sufficient?........only time will tell.....hopefully a snowballing could happen. For example.many small donors, for example ....make the likelihood of foundations taking a second look at us more likely. We will need grants and foundation gifts to bridge the void as well..... We all worth it...which includes our legacy and you, dear friend. Keep asking questions......but remember the task is huge and everyone needs to help. antiochians.org Crazy Duffy '77 P.S. I looked at the petition in the YS news today and was surprised to see three names and had to laugh even. Cross and Naomi Delairre '80 and ian Delairre 2011. His dad used to work at the OK library with me......and the next generation is coming in spite of all. I promise to take care of him...have already sent him a facebook friend invite. what a trooper!! And one last nagging........split your donations between the regular Annual Fund and the Alumni Association's Revival Fund. Even a small amount for starts...in the end its all about the corner of the spreadsheet anyhow. I see you are in Austin? Make sure you contact Tim Eubanks '00 alum board member teubanks@austinvoices.org From: "Callie Cary" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:40:49 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Alumni do give... *Update from Rick Daily, Alumni Board Treasurer:* As of July 3, the College Revival Fund has reached a new total of *$525, 000.00!* In just one week, from its previous high of $424,000.00 which was raised in an unprecedented 18 hours during Reunion last weekend, the Fund has increased by over $100,000.00 in *cash*! From: "Steve Andrews" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:47:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations Callie, I'm sorry, but I don't see anything here about federal tax status... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Callie Cary [mailto:ccary60@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that donations to the new fund are tax-deductible. Callie If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. Contact Information: Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board Member (814) 644-7351 Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) 774-1142 From: "Gerry Bello" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:52:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations Callie, This is awesome. If those folks who are employed at places that do matching donations get it rolling we might break a mill by next week. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Callie Cary" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:38:26 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc10-f11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, >6 Jul 2007 09:38:30 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id E293B6065EC9;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com >[66.249.82.235])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ACB6065EA8for >; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:51:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h27so236374wxdfor >; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:38:27 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.90.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr593115agy.1183739906988;Fri, 06 Jul >2007 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) >Received: by 10.90.116.3 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42wZtgaDtMWr8IDJiEDqLZ8mf+P0KUsm6TVEotIHoAJ5bqREf/yv1xE >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=t57fNeCv5cmbgFn2D87yLlZSxk6kL5e8S5JnmPc71WGJJoLsK4NjYFsf84h3g3qirXCzyLy1rM9gMeocZmreiGDToNMhPRnZXJM0bZE5cSRbE/oBT4KX5u3DndTGCIe3x1hi/srFJHBNqqgVhHPPQnJT2SM0pcR9RoWTiYMcsLQ= >DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; >s=beta;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type;b=BA0s/MWLMKGCHDJoWQp+n5avtgy0kQue6weAD8uhMVdbYa69PeMNoAhO76+lqB74WpZXM/VpdF48NXhJq0MvdYIZtJhYs01naprZCxeyCrdJhKOKCuI6rNM7JV1LYM2YCBs3BkxM/QYP/VoXeKLal13eBQBRKCHs4XBl2U8Mlic= >X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 16:38:31.0112 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1653B480:01C7BFEC] > >This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that donations >to the new fund are tax-deductible. >Callie > >If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival >Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia >Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account >no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > >Contact Information: > >Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 > >Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board >Member (814) 644-7351 > >Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) >774-1142 >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From: "Gerry Bello" CC: SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:00:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions Duffy, Thanks for the data. And much love. As always. I'll keep looking digging and asking. I believe we will win. love, ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Steven Duffy" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions >Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:39:54 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc6-f12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 >Jul 2007 09:39:24 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D516065EF9;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:52:10 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.mcgregor.edu (fc.antioch.edu [206.21.41.184])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80586065EE7;Fri, 6 Jul 2007 >12:52:07 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW43kOJ82lGf6/5ebXr/l/NWLzlzGfwqKxTwJywArWfeQSiiS43gGkGGU >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >References: >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 16:39:24.0337 (UTC) >FILETIME=[360D3210:01C7BFEC] > >Hey, Your swarthiness..aka .Mr. Bello. this is Duffy xoxox > >Since I wuz on the budget committee as late as March 15th (before it moved >back to the University side of the street) >I can tell you about the long term budget hopefulness. I have told >alumni-chat before but folks don't remember or simply >delete. > >The budget ...and long term projections were based on certain hopes or >points. > >And of course...figures flux and points change. > >The hopes were to have small incremental steps in tthe freshman classs > >130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you must know, wuz a >snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. > >The hope of balancing the budget was to have small incremental increases >in the freshman class. > >and also try to raise the annual fund from its normal 1.5 million to 2.3 >million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. > >if folks like you were to give what they could.... > > >back to balancin g the spreadsheet... >and at the same time with big donors' permission there were draw downs of >some previously restricted monies. > >Which might have lasted 3 years. > >As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for the freshman class >came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but >that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... > >and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest base point for what >would have been next year's budget. > > >When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at that time was 110 >deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be > >20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid discounting.....and if >each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man used to > >say that 48 students would equal 1 million in revenue) 25 short almost >means an extra 500,000 dollar bandaid was needed. >The annual fund had grown some....almost to the target...was up almost >28%....43% was the desire.. > >So projecting enrollment out with those snapshots made it look like the >draw down would last only 2 years instead > >of three.....and the bean counters worried about the effect of this on the >other centers...some of which may also > >be slightly fragile...maybe SoCAL...their problems in the Fall actually >precipitated cuts here in feb. > >Revenues under last budget committe m eeting...from tuition were >14,000,000 total expenses 19,000,000 drawn down 4-5 million > > >Now...after all this craziness....the snapshots will be different. Less >tuition revenue........ > > maybe less employees... but still bonds to pay back, utilities and >endless physical plant needs. > maybe there will be an intersection where things look doable. >It will have to be some number of > millions. > > If the larger institution listens to its stake-holders and gives >the College autonomy many donors will > be be more generous than they have ever been...... > > will it be sufficient?........only time will tell.....hopefully a >snowballing could happen. > > For example.many small donors, for example ....make the >likelihood of foundations taking a second look > at us more likely. > > We will need grants and foundation gifts to bridge the void as >well..... > > We all worth it...which includes our legacy and you, dear >friend. > > Keep asking questions......but remember the task is huge and >everyone needs to help. > > > antiochians.org > > Crazy Duffy '77 > >P.S. I looked at the petition in the YS news today and was surprised to >see three names and had to laugh even. >Cross and Naomi Delairre '80 and ian Delairre 2011. > >His dad used to work at the OK library with me......and the next >generation is coming in spite of all. >I promise to take care of him...have already sent him a facebook friend >invite. what a trooper!! > >And one last nagging........split your donations between the regular >Annual Fund and the Alumni Association's >Revival Fund. > >Even a small amount for starts...in the end its all about the corner of >the spreadsheet anyhow. > >I see you are in Austin? Make sure you contact Tim Eubanks '00 alum board >member teubanks@austinvoices.org > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From: "Callie Cary" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:02:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations I can't address that but I'm betting you can a status report on that from Nancy Crow '70, the new Alumni Association Board Chair at: * ncrow@penberg.com* ** On 7/6/07, Steve Andrews wrote: > > Callie, I'm sorry, but I don't see anything here about federal tax > status... > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Callie Cary [mailto:ccary60@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM > To: Alumni Chat List > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Tax deductable donations > > > This was posted on the antiochians.org site and does confirm that > donations > to the new fund are tax-deductible. > Callie > > If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival > Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia > Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into > account > no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > > Contact Information: > > Nancy Crow '70 Antioch Alumni Board President (303) 839-1204 > > Athena D. Turner-Frederick '82 * *Antioch Alumni Board > Member (814) 644-7351 > > Kristen Pett '90 Antioch Alumni Board Member (818) > 774-1142 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From: Dawn Scribner To: Alumni Chat List Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:39:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Student-Run Fundraiser Underway! Has anyone contacted John Draper (star of the AA,,) to ask him to appear at the fundraiser? He lives in Dayton. A Q&A session about the 'making of' might be fun and draw more attendance. Perhaps another screening on a different date with Julia Reichart and her work? Contact me off line if you want John Draper's contact info. Dawn '83 dawn@mediawonk.com On 7/5/07 8:38 PM, "Hopita@aol.com" wrote: > > > Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? > > Thanos? You on this list somewhere? > > - Hope '92 > > > In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kokeefe@antioch-college.edu writes: > > > Hello! > > Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of > about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. > > A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny > Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission to do > a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either > July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of ours, > The Antioch > Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, and a > large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and fun > activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, but an > activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more details as > soon as we have them. > > If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from > donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working at a > donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the two > of us and we'd love your help! > > Kelly O'Keefe > > PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) > > > > > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution > inevitable." > - John F. Kennedy > > > > > NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > this > without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor > protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > From: Art Dole To: ALUM CHAT Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:47:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch On 7/6/07 7:49 AM, "Callie Cary" wrote: I agree with Cailie. It's the faculty, the president, the staff, and the students who will carry the heavy loads if AC is renewed. We can make observations and suggestions from afar. We can donate if we see merit. We can provide Scott and Bob and Duffy and Chris and Kelley and the rest still in Yellow Springs with psychological support. We alumni are like members of the Red Sox nation; we live or die with the team but we don't pitch, catch, or bat. Fans can demand that the manager be fired but we can't replace him ourselves. Think about it. Art Dole > On 7/6/07, Thelma Seto wrote: > I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, sober, > critical, analytical look at what has happened to this institution and > collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. > > Clearly, the collective "WE," as you call it, will never be of one mind > about the past, the present or the future. We're Antiochians who question > everything and go on to be anachists, radicals, liberals, concervatives, > right wing extremists, independents and yes, sometimes idiots in all > catagories. > Reunion was inspiring, motivational and positive and was a picture of the > best of Antioch across the generations. From: "Kelly O'Keefe" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:54:58 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Antioch Adventure Benefit THE ANTIOCH ADVENTURE BENEFIT @ THE LITTLE ART THEATRE Saturday, July 21 3PM Free entry, donations strongly encouraged. We'll have raffles with prizes, snacks and Antioch souvenirs. And hopefully a speaker or two. Any volunteers? 1. I'd love to show #2--I'm checking into it. I've heard that there's a very recent #3 out there, too. I've also heard that it's six hours long...we'll see. I might also show the three parts of it in Kelly Hall during fall term, inviting the Antioch Community and the larger community. Or do a weekend film fest with Antioch-related films. (There's the Twilight Zone with the "Horace Mann" character, Horace Mann's Miracle, PCU, and maybe a good senior project or two. There's so much we can do.) Good idea. 2. I'll contact John Draper in Dayton...fabulous. How often do we get to talk to the star of a movie after we watch it? I think that this is a great fundraiser that could be done, perhaps, in any of the chapters of the Alum for Antioch. Especially since the first (I'm not sure about the other two) movie isn't copyrighted, there's not a bunch of red tape to get around. And it always gets good conversations started. If you're interested, I made some cool fliers for it. Keep the suggestions coming! Kelly '08 (Bingle Banger 04-06) kokeefe@antioch-college.edu Alumni Chat List on Friday, July 6, 2007 at 1:39 PM wrote: >Has anyone contacted John Draper (star of the AA,,) to ask him to appear >at >the fundraiser? He lives in Dayton. A Q&A session about the 'making of' >might be fun and draw more attendance. Perhaps another screening on a >different date with Julia Reichart and her work? > > >Contact me off line if you want John Draper's contact info. > > >Dawn '83 >dawn@mediawonk.com > > >On 7/5/07 8:38 PM, "Hopita@aol.com" wrote: > >> >> >> Why not do a double feature -- parts one *and* two? >> >> Thanos? You on this list somewhere? >> >> - Hope '92 >> >> >> In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> kokeefe@antioch-college.edu writes: >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Current Student here, blogging to let you know that although I'm one of >> about four students on campus this term, I'm in action. >> >> A friend of mine is interning at the Little Art Theater, here in sunny >> Yellow Springs, and the owner of the theater just gave us permission >to do >> a benefit for our beloved college. The date is TBD, probably on either >> July 21 or 22, at a 3pm matin?e, and we'll be showing a favorite of >ours, >> The Antioch >> Adventure, circa 1967. We're hoping to have a reception afterwards, >and a >> large, lovely donation table with the possibility of raffle prizes and >fun >> activities. It's not only planned to be a fundraiser for the Fund, >but an >> activity that the community can share with us. We'll post more >details as >> soon as we have them. >> >> If any dedicated community members want to contribute in any way, from >> donating raffle prizes to speaking at the end of the movie to working >at a >> donation or other table, please let us know. As of yet, it's just the >two >> of us and we'd love your help! >> >> Kelly O'Keefe >> >> PS. Here's a shout out to all my Bingle Bangers! :) >> >> >> >> >> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent >revolution >> inevitable." >> - John F. Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security >Agency >> may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may >do >> this >> without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor >> protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From: "Tim Noble" CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: "Gerry Bello" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:19:25 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... Look, let's forget the union for a couple years, ok? The idea boys have their priorities backwards, as joe would say. Focus on the library. It's 30 years overdue for an expansion and rennovation (the seating space is all stacks now, but the collection is phenomenal and irreplaceable). We're a community of intellectuals, right? fancy gamerooms and all that can wait. we don't need a food court and big screen tv's. we need to show the world that we're serious about learning. First building we fix must be the library. Along with some temporary housing to hold all the students that will start coming? hope so. The numbers in their plans list 8million for a union, 5 million for the library and the library is second. We know that the union offends the senses of a lot of the older alumni, but how about an intense workproject weekend deepcleaning the place while the library gets the serious construction. There are plenty of plans and papers in joe cali's files to pull from. Funding the library is the one thing that people of all generations can agree on. And what about WYSO? let's put that on the negotiating table too. I'm in agreement with Gerry, but I think we also need to think about building again, instead of just NOT demolishing. the youtube video of norment burning broke my heart... my 2 cents, tim On 7/6/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > So.... > > Whats up with the new Union? Just reading this issue of the Antiochian: > > http://www.antioch-college.edu/Antiochian/archive/Antiochian_2006fall/Antiochian_Fall2006.pdf > > In which the BoT affirmed that it would raise 8 million for a new student > union. Did that money get raised? Or what Fraction there of? > > Is that 8 million included in Toni Murderocks $50 million? > > If so to save the college do we need 8 million less if we wanted to forgo > the new Union for a little while until stability? > > Does that figure included money spent to bulldoze or rehab or reuse the old > Union and Antioch Inn? > > ----G > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SaveAntioch mailing list > SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > From: "Gerry Bello" CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: timothynoble@gmail.com Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:28:34 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... Agreed... but how much of that 8 or 13 million has been collected? Where did it go? Can it be used for something else? I'd love to see Big Olive get a boost, but if money was collected for it where are the plans and whats the timeline? Did that money go somewhere else? If so where? WYSO is NOT on the negotionating table. It's ours... they cant have it. Like many other things... ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From: Laura Fathauer CC: SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org To: Alumni Chat List Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] State of the college address '06... Questions > The hopes were to have small incremental steps in > tthe freshman classs > > 130, l75, 210, 300...or so... Every meeting..you > must know, wuz a > snapshot and a snaphot of a fast moving target. > > The hope of balancing the budget was to have small > incremental increases > in the freshman class. > > and also try to raise the annual fund from its > normal 1.5 million to 2.3 > million....a difficult stretch..possibly doable.. > As luck (or bad luck ) would have it...deposits for > the freshman class > came slowly......we did actually hit 130...but > that was two weeks after the announcement of doom... > > and at my final budget meeting 135 was the lowest > base point for what > would have been next year's budget. > > > When the data was taken to the BOT the snapshot at > that time was 110 > deposits . So the freshman class appeared to be > > 20-25 short and after insititutional financial aid > discounting.....and if > each student only nets 20,000 (the last budget man > used to All of this points to the fact that the BIGGEST impact to the budget happened with the 2005 fall class being only 60 students. I HIGHLY doubt that falling short of 20 new students this year is the cause of a reportedly $5mil deficit next year. So, our undeniable facts are: -An enrollment of only 60 new students has a SIGNIFICANT 4-year impact, due to retention rates. -The University KNEW in the summer of 2005 that there were only going to be 60 new students that fall -The BoT KNEW in the summer of 2005 that there was going to be a SIGNIFICANTLY higher cost of 'supporting' the renewal plan with a fall 2005 enrollment class of 1/3 what was planned. Leads to the questions- 1- What budgetary projections were made in the Summer of 05 regarding the 4-year sustainability of that size enrollment class? 2- Why is the 2006-2007 budget at such significant odds of that original projection, such that layoffs occur in march of 07? 3- What significant fund raising effort did the BoT AND the University Chancellor implement in the summer of 2005 to cover the 4-year negative impact of the Fall of 05 enrollment class? 4- Did the BoT consider suspending capital campaign fund raising for the endowment to support the increased costs of operating Antioch College during the implementation of the renewal plan? 5- What has happened in 06-07 that: a) Could not have been anticipated in the Summer of 05 knowing the size of that year's enrollment class? b) Is of such significant surprise that the University is looking at a REPEATING $5 mil deficit that THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE? 6- If an enrollment class of size 60 is such a significant impact that it causes the closure of the college 2 years later, and we're taken by surprise by this fact, WHO WAS ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH, AND WHY ARE THEY STILL THERE? Falling short of 20 enrollments in June does not close a college! Falling 600k short of an annual fund does not close a college! -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From: "Debra Oswald" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:05:30 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Chronicle: Alumni Seek Split Between College and University >From the Chronicle of Higher Education: News Blog http://chronicle.com/news/article/2629/antioch-college-alumni-seek-split-between-college-and-university July 6, 2007 Antioch College Alumni Seek Split Between College and University Antioch College alumni are circulating a resolution that calls for splitting the college away from Antioch University, which operates five nonresidential campuses from Seattle to New Hampshire. The resolution, which was signed by 500 alumni at a reunion at the college's Ohio campus late last month, requests that an autonomous board of trustees be created for the college, which is to be shuttered next year (The Chronicle, June 29). The alumni want a merger between the college and the university's McGregor branch, which is located adjacent to the college's historic but decrepit campus in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and they want the college's assets to be preserved solely for the use of the Yellow Springs institution. University officials say the college, which had been drowning in debt for years, had stayed afloat with money from the other campuses. Antioch alumni have created a college-revival fund to prevent the looming closure. They have raised $525,000 as of Tuesday, according to the Antiochians Web site. ?Paul Fain Posted on Friday July 6, 2007 From: "J. Greg Williams" CC: Alumni Chat List To: Thelma Seto Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:01:30 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant For those who don't wish to read long self indulgent responses, I warn you now :) On Jul 6, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Thelma Seto wrote: > I was responding to a question from Mark Pomerantz: Why did alumni > quit giving as they once did? Why were they NOT giving to the > College? as I expect you already know. I believe the statistics have been put out there that show Antioch Alumni give about the same as most Alumni at other institutions (a number of 40% of alumni give I believe) > My point, Greg, was that the move away from academics and reason > and towards political correctness has hurt this institution, and > that the way concerned alumni were treated when they tried to find > out what was going on before opening their checkbooks has > everything to do with why they stopped giving, or giving in the > amounts they used to. I remember the big debate back in the 90's when we all got together and decided we didn't like reason any more and would rather pursue this nebulous concept of political correctness, boy what a community meeting that was. Seriously though, we raised $424K in about 18 hours at reunion of which my check was but one. This was due to the amazing togetherness of everyone there. We all (70 years of collective Antiochians) agreed it is worth saving and have put much work into it already to ensure that we can. > I don't care if you wear dresses or not, Greg. It was a metaphor. > I noticed there are only two permanent English Dept. faculty. Your > lack of understanding metaphor is a good reason to beef up the > English faculty, although I expect your understanding of metaphor > is good enough to comprehend what I was saying. I see, now your personally attacking me and my ability to understand metaphor, and I do take offense. I was trying to be ironically funny by pointing out your cultural bias. Yes you don't like the "dress up games", and it's not really clear what you mean by that other than you don't like it. Because you don't like it, that's why nobody gives like they used to and that's the reason the College is being closed. Messy reasoning, and I don't agree. > Does the College "deserve" to be closed? The present program isn't > working. Let's be very very clear (again). The program was working, the college had 650 students and was increasing two years ago and the statistics of what those students go on to do after Antioch College is pretty impressive. The mandated change in curriculum and the breaking of the commitment by the University to fund it is why we are here right now. > We need help from others who are going to want these questions > asked and answered before they will entertain the idea of helping. > Will I give a penny to the continuation of the College as it > presently exists? No. I personally will not. I apologize, you seem to not be aware of what we are trying to build. I understand your frustration as it is something we all share. I would encourage you to visit http:// chapters.antiochians.org and connect with some local people and start to plug into the effort. We are working on solutions and trying to create a structure that can better govern the College. It's clear that the current structure is incapable of running the College successfully. I agree that we need to build a clear structure that is trustable before many people will start giving. This is what we are working very hard to do. > Perhaps, as CM during the pertinent years, you can tell me: What > happened during Jim Crowfoot's time? Why was he fired/resigned? > And how did this come about? That is not something I feel qualified to speak about and I don't see it as productive to preventing the closing of the college but I am curious about your idea of what the "pertinent years" is? > > another faculty member > > Sorry. Not an "anecdote [...] about hearsay of". This was this > faculty member's experience. You can discount it, if you like. > You can make that faculty member the problem. You can make ME the > problem for bringing it to your attention. It is not an isolated > experience, however. I'm not trying to blame anyone, but this is not something new you are bringing to my attention. Cultural clashes happen everywhere and Antioch is no exception, the difference being that people tend to be more vocal and passionate at Antioch and actually engage each other in debate. Things that I value greatly about the College. I do not discount that there are people, both students and faculty, who do not have a good experience at Antioch. I've spoken to many a perspective student and parent, and I always emphasize that Antioch is not for everyone. And before you try and put elitist words in my mouth, let me explain. Many things are in motion at Antioch not the least of which is the co-op program. It is that motion, that constant change, that is both it's boon and it's bane. If you are grounded enough, you can learn a lot from constant change. I do believe there are ways to mitigate this without changing the experience but removing co-op in order to have a more "normal" stable college environment really defeats the purpose of our distinctive model. This is one of the major problems with the mandated curriculum change, in my humble opinion. > He found the student body very close-minded BECAUSE of the campus- > wide push towards out-PCing each other. I have heard the same > thing from many, many others--including recent students. Denial is > a dangerous place to live, Greg. It's also not very comfortable. Okay I need you to define PC because you throw the term around a lot and I don't believe it is valid. There are lots of little anecdotes that get tossed around and I'll pick one as an example. If a student is wearing a Nike brand shoe, and another student confronts that student about the business practices of said company. Is this a push towards out "PC'ing" each other? Or is this a responsible challenge to an existing established thought? If the person wearing the shoes feels threatened, how do we enable that person to stand up for themselves intellectually as opposed to hiding behind the fear of being called out by the mythical PC police? Antioch is debate, and it is challenging, and it is intense and students need to be prepared properly for the passion and diversity of each others ideas and causes. Duffy was very apt in pointing out the one thing we could really use more of is mentorship. Intelligent people who can provide insight into the battles already fought and give historical reference without degenerating into an attack on whatever particular aspect of Antioch culture they find most disagreeable. > If only the people who are presently there can POSSIBLY understand > anything about how Antioch College came to this impasse, then > perhaps only the people who are presently there can keep the > College open with their own generous contributions. Obviously, > they cannot. straw man, obviously it burns. > So you're going to have to let the bigger world into your > consciousness. And if students looking for colleges to attend have > questions about this sort of stuff (one very bright, creative, > Springfield-raised 20-year-old told me among his peers, Antioch is > thought of as a "joke"), and you aren't willing to look closely at > what they are questioning, you aren't going to have very many > students and you won't be able to keep the College open, even if > you manage to "save" it. > > Saving Antioch requires a serious look at what went wrong. I agree, but please don't put words into my mouth, Thelma. I never said that only those there can possibly understand. Again, I take offense at your insinuation that my consciousness is small and needs to be filled with your bigger world view. And I don't believe we (antiochians) "obviously" can't keep the College open, as that is a story still being written. Indeed I've been spending a majority of my time trying to ensure that we can keep it open. If you don't think this is a worthwhile goal, please state that outright and move on. Just because a very bright 20 year old thinks Antioch is a joke doesn't make it so. > < Your personal attacks on the people working hard to make a > serious difference in the direction of this College are also > pretty frustrating. > > And I think one person in particular, who is a former College > President and therefore fair game, Greg, is responsible for a lot > of the harmful changes on campus. He isn't solely responsible. > But he really pushed things beyond a sustainable level, as we can > ALL see by the crisis we are presently trying to address. So, now I'd like to hear your thoughts on how Bob Devine is responsible for most of the harmful changes, and especially curious as to what was pushed beyond a sustainable level. Not that I'm falling into your narrative because I strongly believe, as President Lawry declared during the State of the College Address, that the problems are directly related to the structure of the University itself. The College is unable to be represented directly to the board and thus it's concerns are masked by layers of bureaucracy. This is what we are working to solve, this is the problem among all else that has led to a significant drop in enrollment in the last 2 years which puts the College on shaky ground, threatened with closure. > *I* don't "deserve some focus". I am focusing on you because by convincing you that Antioch is worth saving, I'm hoping to convince many. Unfortunately, it seems you've long had umbrage with the quality of the College even when presented with the facts. Taken from my archives of the Alumni-chat list: > On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Thelma G Seto wrote: > > >> It's obvious quality of students and program both have slid and I >> don't >> think it's anyone's fault. There are a lot of social forces, >> internal to >> the institution and societal, that contribute. Antioch isn't >> alone in >> this. The question is: Is there anything here to save? >> >> --Thelma >> > > That's an odd thing for me to hear, being that I was just talking > today with someone here on campus about two students winning major > national awards last semester, one from the National Meterological > Society (only awarded to 15 juniors and seniors in the country) and > the > other from the Fulbright Scholarship program. And last year's > commencement saw another Fulbright Scholar, who--from I read in the > Antiochian--is conducting her research in West Africa. For such a > small > student body, I thought that was pretty commendable. > > Perhaps comparable national honors were more common in your day. > > Dana Clark Felty '98 Again I encourage you to connect locally and work towards our collective goal of preventing this closure. > I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, > sober, critical, analytical look at what has happened to this > institution and collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. I agree, that is definitely something that also needs to be done. I look forward to reading your contributions to the long, sober, critical, analytical look. > if you are not willing to be honest about what has gone on. What exactly am I not willing be honest about? My priorities right now above my job and most of my social contacts is to try and save something I believe very dearly in. I'm not in denial. I hold no illusions that Antioch College is a utopia. I know there are structural and fiscal and cultural problems. Chief among them seems to be cannibalism. I do not agree with everything that has happened, or is said at, or about the College but I believe without a doubt that it is a unique and engaging place and one worth more the all my efforts. I do believe very strongly, that I would not be the person I am today without this College and that I am very happy with who I have become because of it. I realize it is often difficult to both express and interpret ideas and intentions through the written word alone and so I encourage you to contact me directly if it will help you ascertain my sincerity and credibility as an Antiochian. J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) Cell: 727.204.9706 Aim: totallyGreg Googletalk: totallyGreg From: "Sandy Coulter" To: "Alumni Chat List" Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:12:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] The new Union... questions... $5mil was proposed to RENOVATE the Library. The $18mil was proposed to build a NEW Union. This is what Joe told me needed to be done - tear done the Gym and build a NEW Library there then tear down the Library and build a NEW Gym where the Library used to be. My suggestion to Steve was to build a NEW Library where Presidents was before it was torn down. When Joe died this past February, Debra Goodman started a "Don't Fall Down" fund for building a new Library. I can't tell you how much has been contributed (some people designated for a new building, others for books, etc.). It would be criminal to let Joe's legacy, in the form of our collection, be dismantled (not that anyone has said they will do this). I know, from speaking with some of the accreditation team when they were first here, that it is one of the best they had ever scene - especially in certain sciences and literature. Yes, we have ratty carpeting, patched with duct tape, crumbling walls, ugly painted walls and many other cosmetic deficiencies. BUT, we are still what is called a NET LENDER (we lend more of our collection than we borrow from others). Here's hoping the gods smile on us and we're here a year from now. _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From alanbenard at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 00:20:30 2007 From: alanbenard at comcast.net (alanbenard@pobox.com) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:33:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant Message-ID: <070720070420.29919.468F148E000C737D000074DF22155751140B9D0E020A0D020E040E@comcast.net> In her fascinating, breathless personal attack, Thelma Seto wrote: >I have been told by former students that during Bob's tenure as college >president, he was very divisive re the faculty. One camp wanted the school >to focus more on "extremist leftist politics", and Bob led the charge. The >other camp wanted desperately to get back to beefing up the academic >program, which it sorely needs. Guess which camp won? Which one has been >vocal on this Chat, and which has been silent? Get one of your buddies to chime in, Thelma. Either they don't work at AC anymore or they're shit outta work with nothing to lose. C'mon, you can do it. We'll settle for one. >The end result of all this silliness is that the BoT, alarmed at sliding >standards, steps in and mandates a curriculum change to try to take control >of an out-of-control situation. I've said all this before. YES, the BoT's >decision was harmful (and, in my opinion, extremely ill-advised). Did they >create the situation they were trying to contain? No. Bob did. Yes, I >hold Bob responsible for what he did with the students and faculty while he >was interim president. To castigate the BoT for something they had no >control over is ludicrous. And WRONG. So, the problems weren't structural? But you just got done telling us: >:I have learned about more problems today from private posts sent >to me than I knew about before I sent my initial post in response to Mark >Pomerantz' questions. This isn't a problem created by the mandated >curriculum. I agree it was a dumb idea. The decision to close the school >was arrived at through a long process pre-dating the curriculum change and >the fiscal crisis it created, and it's amazing it's lasted this long, given >everything that has been going on there. What long process was that? The process of stripping AC of control over its financial destiny? The process of changing direct monetary support from the other AU centers to allowable deficits? The process of painting the college as the financial problem child? Your beloved Dr. Lawry pointed the finger squarely at the AU leadership and the structural changes which precipitated the crisis. They wanted to run the program on the cheap and they fucked it up completely. If I were half the conspiracy theorist you are, I would say it was on purpose. >Why did Bob do this? You'll have to ask him. If we ask him and he tells us, will you believe him and stop typing fantastic rubbish like this? >I think he has a deep need >for approval and an even deeper need for power. Is it right to use your >position of power over people half your age in an attempt to garner even >more power? You're right inside his head, Thelma. You've got him all figured out. And that doesn't sound obsessed at all. >To >complain about AU stripping Antioch College of its community governance, as >he has done repeatedly on this chat, having so outrageously abused his power >within the community itself is too much for this Antiochian. You mean, abusing his power by raising tens of millions of dollars in pledges and increasing enrollment on a steady basis? >Bob seems to think that >Antioch College is his personal property. It's not. It never was and it >never will be. They sure showed that God damned Bob Devine! They had to destroy the college to purge him, pry his greedy fingers from the corpse, but thank goodness the deed is done! No more will his mysterious, preternatural hold on our our youth annoy Thelma Seto! >The BoT don't act in a vacuum. There are, and have been, problems on >campus. Could the academically-inclined faculty have won in a stand-off >with Bob and the PC faculty if AU didn't control the College? I do not >know. I don't know the numbers of the split. I DO know that some of the >academically-inclined faculty just gave up and went elsewhere. Who lost in >that? The students and the College. So the academic environment >deteriorated even more. And AC LOST EVEN MORE POWER. Eventually the BoT >had to do SOMETHING. Bring us one who will talk, Thelma. One of your cowering, frightened league of disenfranchised, tenured college professors -- a tender, shy and retiring lot! -- must step forward and point the finger of indignation at the destroyer or Antioch College, Robert Devine! They don't need to say much. Just point and cry: J'accuse! Alan Benard, '92 From kristiketchum at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 01:48:40 2007 From: kristiketchum at hotmail.com (Kristi) Date: Sat Jul 7 02:00:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] reposting - the bottom line Message-ID: I?m hoping that the lack of response to my posting is because it got somewhat buried (kudos to Sandy for your reponse). I?m reposting in hopes that folks will have some input to my questions! We?ve talked about a lot of things but I don?t know if we?ve actually come to general agreement on what would need to happen to keep the college from being shut down? Is it simply money ? a dollar amount that we could offer up to the University? If it?s a dollar and cents issue ? Can or have we hit up ?famous? Antiochians (you know ? the ones on the website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould ? who is deceased, I now know), connected Antiochians (Steve Schwerner and others), former instructors or relatives of instructors (Dave Chappelle whose dad taught at Antioch)? Can or have we contacted all of the living ?noteworthy alumni? from the webpage? Can Yellow Springs residents make a donation to the revival fund? Is it pressure? Who do we need on board to get the attention of the Board? Alumni? Village residents? If it?s a publicity issue ? Can or have we contacted the many radio and television professionals who got their start at WYSO? Just a few ideas. Kristi Ketchum 1999 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/889 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 8:00 PM From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 01:57:31 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Jul 7 02:10:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Ouch...standing in the need of prayer In-Reply-To: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> Message-ID: Ouch, guys this really hurts to read. I know my postings are long winded--but we need to find common ground here rather than attack, shame, and blame--If someone is myopically looking to claim the turf of their lost Antioch, they will not see the horizon. Perhaps Horace Mann's words are fitting: "but in this pressure and urgency of the hour [sic], it seems more fitting that I should, so far as I am able, accumulate all excellences in one phrase, concentrate all eulogiums into a single expression; ay, sweep the horizon of time, and of eternity too, gathering their glories into one refulgent blaze..." To quote a line from a favorite prayer in my community of dervishes: "Raise us above the distinctions and differences which divide us..." Hazrat Inayat Khan and another Vedic prayer: "May we work together,strive together; May are inner most energies go into expression together; May we become full of light, self contained in our patience; May we never feel jealousy or the feeling of rivalry; May we never be tormented by the feelings of duality toward each other." Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti (Oh Peace, Peace, Peace) Some of us need to do what we will do locally. Others need to look at the large picture. I hope that something good and focused can come of this because there is an urgency in this moment of history or is it just all the cyberspace chatter? I swore I was going to stop posting and just read, but I felt a call for something supernatural again. Lesley A. Pownall Bahr '83 Buffalo, MN >From: "J. Greg Williams" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Thelma Seto >CC: Alumni Chat List >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:01:30 -0400 > >For those who don't wish to read long self indulgent responses, I warn you >now :) > > >On Jul 6, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Thelma Seto wrote: > >>I was responding to a question from Mark Pomerantz: Why did alumni quit >>giving as they once did? Why were they NOT giving to the College? as I >>expect you already know. > >I believe the statistics have been put out there that show Antioch Alumni >give about the same as most Alumni at other institutions (a number of 40% >of alumni give I believe) > >>My point, Greg, was that the move away from academics and reason and >>towards political correctness has hurt this institution, and that the way >>concerned alumni were treated when they tried to find out what was going >>on before opening their checkbooks has everything to do with why they >>stopped giving, or giving in the amounts they used to. > > >I remember the big debate back in the 90's when we all got together and >decided we didn't like reason any more and would rather pursue this >nebulous concept of political correctness, boy what a community meeting >that was. > >Seriously though, we raised $424K in about 18 hours at reunion of which my >check was but one. This was due to the amazing togetherness of everyone >there. We all (70 years of collective Antiochians) agreed it is worth >saving and have put much work into it already to ensure that we can. > >>I don't care if you wear dresses or not, Greg. It was a metaphor. I >>noticed there are only two permanent English Dept. faculty. Your lack of >>understanding metaphor is a good reason to beef up the English faculty, >>although I expect your understanding of metaphor is good enough to >>comprehend what I was saying. > >I see, now your personally attacking me and my ability to understand >metaphor, and I do take offense. I was trying to be ironically funny by >pointing out your cultural bias. Yes you don't like the "dress up games", >and it's not really clear what you mean by that other than you don't like >it. Because you don't like it, that's why nobody gives like they used to >and that's the reason the College is being closed. Messy reasoning, and I >don't agree. > >>Does the College "deserve" to be closed? The present program isn't >>working. > >Let's be very very clear (again). The program was working, the college >had 650 students and was increasing two years ago and the statistics of >what those students go on to do after Antioch College is pretty >impressive. The mandated change in curriculum and the breaking of the >commitment by the University to fund it is why we are here right now. > >>We need help from others who are going to want these questions asked and >>answered before they will entertain the idea of helping. Will I give a >>penny to the continuation of the College as it presently exists? No. I >>personally will not. > >I apologize, you seem to not be aware of what we are trying to build. I >understand your frustration as it is something we all share. I would >encourage you to visit http:// chapters.antiochians.org and connect with >some local people and start to plug into the effort. We are working on >solutions and trying to create a structure that can better govern the >College. It's clear that the current structure is incapable of running >the College successfully. I agree that we need to build a clear structure >that is trustable before many people will start giving. This is what we >are working very hard to do. > >>Perhaps, as CM during the pertinent years, you can tell me: What >>happened during Jim Crowfoot's time? Why was he fired/resigned? And how >>did this come about? > >That is not something I feel qualified to speak about and I don't see it >as productive to preventing the closing of the college but I am curious >about your idea of what the "pertinent years" is? > >>>faculty member >> >>Sorry. Not an "anecdote [...] about hearsay of". This was this faculty >>member's experience. You can discount it, if you like. You can make >>that faculty member the problem. You can make ME the problem for >>bringing it to your attention. It is not an isolated experience, >>however. > >I'm not trying to blame anyone, but this is not something new you are >bringing to my attention. Cultural clashes happen everywhere and Antioch >is no exception, the difference being that people tend to be more vocal >and passionate at Antioch and actually engage each other in debate. >Things that I value greatly about the College. > >I do not discount that there are people, both students and faculty, who do >not have a good experience at Antioch. I've spoken to many a perspective >student and parent, and I always emphasize that Antioch is not for >everyone. And before you try and put elitist words in my mouth, let me >explain. Many things are in motion at Antioch not the least of which is >the co-op program. It is that motion, that constant change, that is both >it's boon and it's bane. If you are grounded enough, you can learn a lot >from constant change. I do believe there are ways to mitigate this >without changing the experience but removing co-op in order to have a more >"normal" stable college environment really defeats the purpose of our >distinctive model. This is one of the major problems with the mandated >curriculum change, in my humble opinion. > >>He found the student body very close-minded BECAUSE of the campus- wide >>push towards out-PCing each other. I have heard the same thing from >>many, many others--including recent students. Denial is a dangerous >>place to live, Greg. It's also not very comfortable. > >Okay I need you to define PC because you throw the term around a lot and I >don't believe it is valid. There are lots of little anecdotes that get >tossed around and I'll pick one as an example. If a student is wearing a >Nike brand shoe, and another student confronts that student about the >business practices of said company. Is this a push towards out "PC'ing" >each other? Or is this a responsible challenge to an existing established >thought? If the person wearing the shoes feels threatened, how do we >enable that person to stand up for themselves intellectually as opposed to >hiding behind the fear of being called out by the mythical PC police? >Antioch is debate, and it is challenging, and it is intense and students >need to be prepared properly for the passion and diversity of each others >ideas and causes. > >Duffy was very apt in pointing out the one thing we could really use more >of is mentorship. Intelligent people who can provide insight into the >battles already fought and give historical reference without degenerating >into an attack on whatever particular aspect of Antioch culture they find >most disagreeable. > >>If only the people who are presently there can POSSIBLY understand >>anything about how Antioch College came to this impasse, then perhaps >>only the people who are presently there can keep the College open with >>their own generous contributions. Obviously, they cannot. > >straw man, obviously it burns. > >>So you're going to have to let the bigger world into your consciousness. >>And if students looking for colleges to attend have questions about this >>sort of stuff (one very bright, creative, Springfield-raised 20-year-old >>told me among his peers, Antioch is thought of as a "joke"), and you >>aren't willing to look closely at what they are questioning, you aren't >>going to have very many students and you won't be able to keep the >>College open, even if you manage to "save" it. >> >>Saving Antioch requires a serious look at what went wrong. > >I agree, but please don't put words into my mouth, Thelma. I never said >that only those there can possibly understand. Again, I take offense at >your insinuation that my consciousness is small and needs to be filled >with your bigger world view. And I don't believe we (antiochians) >"obviously" can't keep the College open, as that is a story still being >written. Indeed I've been spending a majority of my time trying to ensure >that we can keep it open. If you don't think this is a worthwhile goal, >please state that outright and move on. Just because a very bright 20 >year old thinks Antioch is a joke doesn't make it so. > >>< Your personal attacks on the people working hard to make a serious >>difference in the direction of this College are also pretty frustrating. >> >>And I think one person in particular, who is a former College President >>and therefore fair game, Greg, is responsible for a lot of the harmful >>changes on campus. He isn't solely responsible. But he really pushed >>things beyond a sustainable level, as we can ALL see by the crisis we are >>presently trying to address. > >So, now I'd like to hear your thoughts on how Bob Devine is responsible >for most of the harmful changes, and especially curious as to what was >pushed beyond a sustainable level. Not that I'm falling into your >narrative because I strongly believe, as President Lawry declared during >the State of the College Address, that the problems are directly related >to the structure of the University itself. The College is unable to be >represented directly to the board and thus it's concerns are masked by >layers of bureaucracy. This is what we are working to solve, this is the >problem among all else that has led to a significant drop in enrollment in >the last 2 years which puts the College on shaky ground, threatened with >closure. > >>*I* don't "deserve some focus". > >I am focusing on you because by convincing you that Antioch is worth >saving, I'm hoping to convince many. > >Unfortunately, it seems you've long had umbrage with the quality of the >College even when presented with the facts. Taken from my archives of the >Alumni-chat list: > >>On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Thelma G Seto wrote: >> >> >>>It's obvious quality of students and program both have slid and I don't >>>think it's anyone's fault. There are a lot of social forces, internal >>>to >>>the institution and societal, that contribute. Antioch isn't alone in >>>this. The question is: Is there anything here to save? >>> >>>--Thelma >>> >> >>That's an odd thing for me to hear, being that I was just talking >>today with someone here on campus about two students winning major >>national awards last semester, one from the National Meterological >>Society (only awarded to 15 juniors and seniors in the country) and the >>other from the Fulbright Scholarship program. And last year's >>commencement saw another Fulbright Scholar, who--from I read in the >>Antiochian--is conducting her research in West Africa. For such a small >>student body, I thought that was pretty commendable. >> >>Perhaps comparable national honors were more common in your day. >> >>Dana Clark Felty '98 > > > >Again I encourage you to connect locally and work towards our collective >goal of preventing this closure. > >>I would like this group to put down its hackles and take a long, sober, >>critical, analytical look at what has happened to this institution and >>collectively figure out how to crawl out of this hole. > >I agree, that is definitely something that also needs to be done. I look >forward to reading your contributions to the long, sober, critical, >analytical look. > >> if you are not willing to be honest about what has gone on. > >What exactly am I not willing be honest about? My priorities right now >above my job and most of my social contacts is to try and save something I >believe very dearly in. I'm not in denial. I hold no illusions that >Antioch College is a utopia. I know there are structural and fiscal and >cultural problems. Chief among them seems to be cannibalism. I do not >agree with everything that has happened, or is said at, or about the >College but I believe without a doubt that it is a unique and engaging >place and one worth more the all my efforts. I do believe very strongly, >that I would not be the person I am today without this College and that I >am very happy with who I have become because of it. > >I realize it is often difficult to both express and interpret ideas and >intentions through the written word alone and so I encourage you to >contact me directly if it will help you ascertain my sincerity and >credibility as an Antiochian. > > >J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) >Cell: 727.204.9706 >Aim: totallyGreg >Googletalk: totallyGreg > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 04:16:55 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Jul 7 04:29:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch In-Reply-To: <402374.13664.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I will throw in one little story from my watermelon patch. Last summer, we had invited our neighbors who were up to their cabin from the Twin Cities, over to look at the stars from my husband's telescope. So mother and foreign exchange student came over. Mother was an administrator for online U in Twin Cities. Father is a leftist/entrpeneurial leaning professor of economy at Hamline University in ST Paul who opted for sports on TV at another neighbor's to stargazing. Foreign exchange student fresh off the plane from outback China where growth is rapidly taking place opted for the stars. Daughter about ready to graduate from private High School stayed with Dad on the couch. Between turns at views out the telescope the mention of Antioch came up. This brought a rise out of mother who had just hired former employee fresh from Antioch--who couldn't get away fast enough. Whatever impression she gave my neighbor re: Antioch it was not good. Having remembered many indulgences from my era, I figured Antioch is not for everyone--however the negative spin that was cast had reached all the way out to our little six acres of watermelons by word of mouth. My neighbor thinks my Alma Mater is a joke based on her recent hire's experience on the ground. Apparently Antioch's loss was my neighbors gain, she is pleased with a new employee. I hate to see things take such a nose dive that so many have bailed. It breaks my heart. There is such a thing as critical mass and the need for a collective memory to keep moving forward. It is not meant as an attack on those who are getting an education...you can learn anywhere...it does not mean you are not viable...just that right now our college is not. I don't think our neighbors would ever consider Antioch for their daughter, who at a different moment would have made an excellent Antiochian. We have to pause and reflect if things are going to get better. It needs to be a long hard look because this has been in the making for more than one generation of us. We had all the same pc issues in 1980 and a low enrollment so it is no attack on recent grads or students. I could conjure up specifics but will save that for later. I do not personalize Thelma's critique as a dishing of me or my Antioch Adventure--she is trying to raise difficult and painful issues--pain that does not escape me even at this distant place and time. I could also conjure up praises for watermelons which are a desert fruit with amazing root structures...but I will spare alumnichat these praises for another post. Is the Antioch Farm still going is anyone growing vegetables and taking them to market? I hope there are a few farmers left on campus. Let us not forget that heat of debate can go towards growth, like the sun, or it can go towards a hellishness that makes any desire to move forward a moot point. Enough said Lesley A Pownall Bahr from a very healthy crop of watermelons 2007, Ottertail, MN >From: Laura Fathauer >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] re: lack of support for Antioch >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:57:24 -0700 (PDT) > > > > I know there have been people on campus NONE of the > > above applies to. But > > they have been silenced, or intimidated into > > silence. A lot of them have > > left. If the power-elite at AC didn't want to > > listen to the alums, they > > could have at least listened to the voices of REASON > > on campus. > >There are no power-elite at Antioch College. >Obviously, this is the point you're failing to >understand about what has existed in YS for the last 6 >years. > > > > Instead of any of the primary movers and shakers > > taking responsibility for > > any of this, what we get is fingers pointed > > ELSEWHERE. Today it's the BoT, > > which, given all the water under the bridge, I > > consider hilarious. > >The primary Movers and Shakers ARE the BOT and the >University Admin. And you're right. They're not taking >responsibility for any of this. And you're only >helping them shirk that responsibility. > > > I am not > > happy with the BoT, but WHERE ARE THE ADULTS ON > > CAMPUS WHO ARE GOING TO > > ACKNOWLEDGE RESPONSIBILITY? > >Obviously, given the silence from the University Admin >and the BOT, there AREN'T any. > > > Stop attacking > > alumni who have had nothing to do with the power > > grabs that have gone on at > > Antioch for the past umpteen years- and indeed have > > tried to stop them, > >Ah, yes, the "I told you so" argument. You win. > > > turn > > around, face those who have been in power on campus > > and ask--no, > > DEMAND--accountability of the very people who have > > been marching you, like > > lemmings, to the sea for the past decade or so. > >I have been. Why don't you join me? Which part of "The >university has controlled the college's finances since >02" didn't you understand? Which part of "The >board...has made decisions" didn't you understand? >All of it backed up by hard paper documentation. Which >brings me to my last response: > > > But they are not > > responsible for the > > ridiculous dress-up games on the Yellow Springs > > campus that have brought it > > to its knees. > >Show me the data. Its time to show your cards, or let >the people actually working on saving the college to >get on with their work, uninterrupted. Any future >response of yours is unnecessary, unless you have hard >evidence and data that can support your position. > > >-l > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! >FareChase. >http://farechase.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From Hopita at aol.com Sat Jul 7 08:56:24 2007 From: Hopita at aol.com (Hopita@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 7 09:09:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould Message-ID: In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: Can or have we hit up ?famous? Antiochians (you know ? the ones on the website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould), Um, Stephen Jay Gould is dead. - Hope '92 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From ccary60 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 10:37:27 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Sat Jul 7 10:50:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway Message-ID: Please go to the Yellow Springs website and see this week's stories, especialy the one about the Gateway Group. The last line is particularly telling and also tragically predictable -- there are few left with any institutional memory or understanding of the importance of Antioch College in the landscape of higher education. Callie www.ysnews.com Article also pasted below: Consultants advised Antioch closure By Diane Chiddister A contributing factor in the Antioch University Board of Trustees decision to suspend operations of Antioch College was the distribution, at the trustees' June 9 board meeting, of a report from the Gateway Consultants Group, an independent consulting group. The report reviewed three options for addressing the college's fiscal emergency, and ultimately chose the third option, which was to close the college and reopen at a later date. According to some persons present who requested anonymity, the report, which they had not seen before the meeting, carried considerable weight. Although the Gateway Group was identified in the board's June 9 resolution as a "respected higher education and business consultants," its principle consultant, Thomas Chema, had never before been asked to determine whether a college should close. And in a recent interview Chema said that for the report he was paid $3,000 plus expenses, a very small fee in the world of consultants. "I have not done this sort of study before," he said. While his consulting group has been in existence since 1994, it has only in the last year performed "due diligence" work for entities such as businesses and colleges that are in financial distress, identifying financial concerns and strategies for turnaround, Chema said. He declined to say how many colleges he has counted among his clients. Asked this week about Chema's relative inexperience as a higher education consultant, Antioch University Vice Chancellor Mary Lou LaPierre stated he was chosen because he is president of Hiram University, which several years ago faced a similar financial crisis to that of Antioch. Chema has been credited with successfully turning around that college, she said. Before taking the helm of Hiram College in 2004, Chema, a graduate of Harvard Law School, had worked as the executive director of the Gateway Economic Development Corporation of Greater Cleveland, chairman of the Ohio Building Authority, and chairman of the Public Utilities Commission of Ohio, among other positions. "He's a very sophisticated business person," LaPierre said. According to Chema, he and an associate, Lisa Thibodeux, were the principle contributors to the Antioch University report, to which Stan Hales, past president of Wooster College, also contributed. Chema visited the college for a day in March, during which he spoke with college employees in admissions, took a tour of physical facilities and reviewed financial information, according to Chema, who said he worked on the report for about a month. In the seven-page report, the consultants first identify Antioch College's "situational overview," including the college's drop in enrollment over the past few years, the need for additional funds of $6 million for 2006/7 and 2007/8 to balance the budget, and the other university centers' subsidy of the college for $920,000 in 2006/7. This section of the report states that the university's current cash flow analysis shows the system "running negative" by May 2009 due to significant losses at the college. The report also includes a "macro higher education context" which states that demographers forecast 2010 as the date of the peak number of 18-year-olds, after which those numbers begin to decline. It also states that the number of 18-year-olds in Ohio heading for college is below the national average. "Consequently, the local cohort of students, as well as the expected national pool, in the relatively near future, presents a significant challenge to growth for any small liberal arts college," the report states. In the report's situational evaluation, the Gateway Group states that the college currently accepts about 85 percent of its applicants, "leaving little room for expanding student numbers through changes in selectivity." The report also identifies the college's two-year old Renewal Plan as "not sufficient to stimulate substantial prospective student growth in the short term. There is clearly only a limited number of students who are interested in the Antioch context and the Antioch program." The school's deteriorating physical plant also contributes to its challenge in attracting new students, the report states. Three options The Gateway report presents three options, beginning with attempting to turn the college around. Increased enrollment would have to happen quickly, the report states, but it would take at least "two years of consistency and excellence in the admissions program before results are likely to be seen." The second option, discussed in a single paragraph, is that of combining Antioch College with Antioch University McGregor. "While the merger might provide additional savings in the cost structure which would buy time, this option also assumes substantial increase in philanthropy to carry the college until the enrollment changes resulted in substantially greater tuition revenue. We are as skeptical about the success of this strategy as with just continuing an incremental approach toward improvement," the report states. The third option, that of suspending the college's operations for several years, is identified as "the one preferred at this time by the university's management team." That option, addressed in two paragraphs, states that during the suspension period, the university would have the opportunity to "develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch College experience," including the development of a "new urban village on the Antioch College site." The suspension would also give university officials time to "identify the program that a reinvented college needs to present to perspective students in order to be relevant to them," and the period would allow for a "cleansing of the ghosts that have plagued Antioch's recruitment efforts since the 1970s." The consultants did not know at the beginning of the consulting process that the university officials' preferred option was closing the college, but became aware of that preference sometime during the process, Chema said. Asked if he would have made a different recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, Chema said, "I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given them the same data." The university administrators were charged with finding an outside consultant after the trustees' February meeting, when the extent of the college's financial crisis became clear, according to LaPierre. The administrators worked with bankruptcy attorney Jack Pigman of the Columbus firm of Porter, Wright, Orris and Arthur to examine university and college finances, LaPierre said, and that firm contacted the Gateway Group to "broaden the study out," and provide a national and situational context. The Pigman report is not available to the public due to "confidentiality and nondisclosure" between attorney and client, LaPierre said, adding that she had not seen a copy of the report personally. Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock was not available to talk to the press this week, and all questions were channelled through LaPierre. Antioch Board of Trustees President Art Zucker was on vacation and did not return phone calls. It has become necessary for the university to funnel press contacts through a single spokesperson due to the volume of press contacts in the past several weeks, according to LaPierre. "I had no idea that this would be the national story that it is," she said. "I miscalculated it, totally." Contact: dchiddister@ysnews.com From duffy at antioch-college.edu Sat Jul 7 12:47:49 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:00:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Fwd: Community Meeting Minutes 7.3.07 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- Friday, July 06, 2007 1:09:01 PM Announcements From: Corrine Frohlich Subject: Community Meeting Minutes 7.3.07 To: Announcements Pulse Attachments: Com. Mtg. 7.3.07 32K Community Meeting Minutes Tuesday July 3rd, 2007 Welcome Chelsea welcomed everyone to the 3rd community meeting of the summer. She explained that the purpose of this meeting is to regroup after Reunion and to foster transparency of operations and information within the College. Announcements Rory, the CG Events Manager, announced she is looking for suggestions for activities/events for faculty and staff this summer. Milt Thompson will now be overseeing Physical Plant due to recent lay-offs. Department Updates: o CG: CG held a community meeting this past Saturday during Reunion weekend. The Community Meeting broke into 3 break-out groups (Governance/Legal, Communications, and Finance) designated by a group of past and present CMs. From the Community Meeting the CMs created an Action Items document. From this document, The Alumni Board created 3 committees: Governance, Communications and Development. The Action Items document produced from Community Meeting is available on first class. Governance Committee Update: Chelsea, the CG Liaison, reported that this committee is currently looking into the possibility of creating a new governance board for the College and researching the history of the governance structure between the College and the University. Communication Committee Update: Rory, the CG Liaison, reported that she would send out weekly updates to alumni about campus happenings via www.Antiochioans.org. CG is delivering pledge cards to local businesses in Yellow Springs for the revival fund. The committee is also working on a possible alumni music festival in conjunction with some sort of fundraising event. Dennie Eagleson is working on a testimonials project with alumni about their time here at Antioch. CG is also working on bringing alumni back to campus to participate in themed panel discussions, such as past Record Editors, SOPP and RDPP advocates. The committee is also discussing a possible welcome back committee for when students return to campus. This welcome back committee could use the alumni music festival to do this. Development Committee Update: As of Monday (July 2nd, 2007) evening the efforts of the Antioch community members raised $525,000.00 for the Antioch Revival Fund. Corri, the CG Liaison, reported that this committee is functioning in a few subcommittees including Individual Giving Subcommittee and Foundation Raising Subcommittee. Alumni are participating in several phone conferences to brainstorm their connections to foundations and potential donors to Antioch College and in the process of soliciting donations. o Office of Transition: John Smith, of the Academic Support Center, reported on the newly formed Office of Transition (OT). This is a new office put together quickly after the announcement of the suspension of operations. The OT has ended up overlapping with already existing offices including Admissions, Housing, Dean of faculty, etc. It started out as a help-line via a cell phone which Janice Kinghorn staffs from 10am-10pm 7 days a week. The number for the OT is (937) 681-5924. There is now an OT first class conference under Community Forum. You can email the conference directly at [ mailto:transition@antioch-college.edu ]transition@antioch-college.edu. John confirmed that all of the incoming first years have been contacted. Angie Glukov from Admissions reported that the number of confirmed first years entering Antioch this fall changes daily. All current and incoming students have now been contacted. Students should now know what their options are and be in the process of making these decisions. OT is currently figuring out who can graduate due to the changes in the Walker Petition requirements. More information concerning this can be located on the official OT webpage which can be found via the main college website, [ http://www.antioch-college.edu ]www.antioch-college.edu. Admissions is working very hard to connect Antioch students with the consortia of colleges to which students can transfer. The OT will work with students one on one for the rest of the year. Eli Nettles is the point lady for this undertaking. The OT is aided by John Smith, Janice Kinghorn, Joyce Morrissey, Angie Glukov and Jen Rhyner in Admissions, Robin Heise in Financial Aid and many other College employees who are offering their services on a daily basis. The best estimate of total numbers of students here in the fall is roughly 175-228. Admissions is currently monitoring Facebook as a channel for communication about Antioch. John also reported that there would be one learning community this fall. Classes for fall semester will be posted next week, so students can start registering as soon as next week. Students might want to be on campus before registering for courses online and talk with their advisors about the courses they need. New students are scheduled to arrive on August 23rd and returning students on August 26th. o Financial Aid: Robin Heise reported that Financial Aid is currently trying to find out who?s coming back and which students they have to package for financial aid. All returning students need to let a College administrator know whether or not they are returning in the fall and the administrator will see that this information gets passed on to the appropriate offices. o Admissions: Angie informed the community that the first College Fair would be Friday afternoon September 14th. Presently, Admissions is working on an announcement for the Community regarding the College Fair. o Yellow Springs Residents in Support of the Antioch College Revival Resolution: Judy Wolert-Maldonado, a representative from the Yellow Springs group, reported on their recent meetings. The Yellow Springs residents started organizing after the community meeting during reunion and have had ongoing meetings since then. They are currently organizing an emergency town meeting for this Tuesday, July 10th at 7:30pm in the Presbyterian Church in Yellow Springs. They are presently contacting different constituencies in the College to have representation from the entire Antioch and Yellow Springs community at the meeting. Antioch College President Steve Lawry and University Chancellor Toni Murdock will be out of town and Antioch College Public Relations representative Lynda Sirk will be sent in Toni Murdock?s place. The meeting is open to all and the media will be there. Currently, they are forming an agenda. There is also a letter writing committee that came out of the Yellow Springs group. So far there are 155 signatures. o Development: Aimee Maruyama, Associate Director of Alumni Relations, reported on the Alumni Office?s recent activities. They are working on establishing new alumni chapters. They are currently putting alumni lists together for 30-40 chapters all over the country. Aimee will get a list out of the new chapters as soon as they are finalized. o President?s Office: Steve Lawry could not make the meeting today due to a scheduling conflict. Corri, the Operations Manager, briefed the community on CG?s recent meeting with Steve. Steve attended two alumni events recently, one in Boston and the other in DC. A BOT member was also present for each of these meetings to field questions about their decision to close Antioch. Pulse: Survival Guide: Due to the very specific nature of this year, a typical Survival Guide won?t necessarily be the best way to serve the community. CG will meet with Departments individually to discuss what information they want in the Survival Guide. CG will also move this discussion onto Pulse online next week so students and other community members off campus have a chance to discuss what they want/need from this year?s Survival Guide. Lay-Offs: Many concerns were raised about the recent lay-offs. CG will be posting the positions that were cut later this week. Questions were raised about who made the decisions on the positions that were cut, the challenges that different categories of employees are facing (specifically in regards to non-union staff), and in general how the College will function with the lack of support and work due to the recent lay-offs. Corri Frohlich Operations Manager/Community Manager Antioch Community Government 795 Livermore St. Yellow Springs, OH 45387 (937) 769-1050 cfrohlich@antioch-college.edu From ilse1 at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 13:25:02 2007 From: ilse1 at comcast.net (ilse moon) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:38:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] contacts References: Message-ID: <008401c7c0bb$c0da7c70$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Has anyone tried to get in touch with Michael Moore beyond the one letter written to him earlier by a contact Callie has? There is a librarian, Ann Sparanese sparanese@yahoo.com, 201-568-2215 xtn 229, who helped him get Stupid White Men out to the public. Here is some information about her from Library Journal.com. The full article tells much more about the issues she is involved with and if you look her up on Google, there is plenty of information. I don't know how much she knows about Antioch, but it certainly is her sort of place. I have heard that she is still in close touch with Michael Moore. Perhaps she will help us. I don't know her personally although we may have met once or twice at library conferences. I'm sure, though, I have friends who do know her fairly well. Does anyone think this would be helpful? Ilse Moon '53 from www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA281662.html "Sparanese doesn't just believe in "diversity" and the "education for democracy" function of libraries. She has won grants to build collections in Hispanic studies, African American studies, and Jazz, Blues and World Music; another grant she wrote funded additional library services to the Spanish-speaking citizenry. Now a vice president for organizing in the Bergen County Central Trades & Labor Council, she considers this extracurricular union participation among the most satisfying aspects of a life devoted to social activism. She has also worked with Cuban librarians to protest the U.S. embargo of Cuba and is active in a local antiwar committee. You may know Sparanese's name because Michael Moore says she saved his book, Stupid White Men, which his publisher refused to release because it was critical of George W. Bush. The publisher disputes that this is the reason the book was finally distributed, but when Sparanese raised the alarm, librarians swamped the company with complaints and orders. Sparanese sees this as proof that librarians can fight back?and win?against the squashing of dissent. She thinks librarians' commitment to free expression is needed now above all, because the USA PATRIOT Act has "put libraries in the crosshairs of its new homeland security policies. It is clearly a time?for small and large acts of resistance to the erosion of our rights." From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 14:30:52 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:43:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] reposting - the bottom line In-Reply-To: <000a01c7c05a$7906d8f0$4100a8c0@KKLaptop> Message-ID: Kristi, Its all of those things in conjunction. Full Spectrum Dominance. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 15:11:10 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:24:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So many gems... in such a small space. Somebody give this reporter an award. >The third option, that of suspending the college's operations for >several years, is identified as "the one preferred at this time by the >university's management team." > So they went into the study knowing what they wanted. Which means they intended to close the college before they had the study done. Rather than make any attempt to save the college, they comissioned a study to support what they already wished to do IN SECRET. Rather than gather any support to do their job, they determined what they wanted, got a study to support it and did it in secret. Bullet #1 from the smoking gun. >That option, addressed in two paragraphs, states that during the >suspension period, the university would have the opportunity to >"develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch >College experience," including the development of a "new urban village >on the Antioch College site." > So it is a real estate swindle. >The suspension would also give university officials time to "identify >the program that a reinvented college needs to present to perspective >students in order to be relevant to them," and the period would allow >for a "cleansing of the ghosts that have plagued Antioch's recruitment >efforts since the 1970s." And explictly a culture war and struggle against values. In her 2005-2006 address Toni Murdock said: I believe Antioch is positioned to be a player in the new world described by Thomas Friedman in his recent book The World is Flat. We are positioned, but we will be successful only if we are deliberate in how we continue to build and plan our system. First, we must create a system that promotes the sustainability of each independent campus, including the College. As distinct campuses and as a system, we become sustainable when Antioch is seen as a vital member of the communities in which we reside and as a player in the state and regional higher education systems where we are located. Thomas Friedman's book wiki entry is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_is_Flat The book is explictly pro-globalization. It describes using technology as a way to oursource and avoid actually paying people living wages in this and other countries. It's on the left end of the pro-globalization camp but still explictly about exporting jobs to areas of low-wages, low-protections and lower standards of human rights. The fact that this book would be our"leaderships" model for organizing is very telling and clearly influences the lack of overall respect for the actual PEOPLE involved in this COMMUNITY of higher education. Further its not the "PC" aspects of the "Ghosts of Antioch" that they wish to "cleanse". Its the strong commitment to human rights, responsable development, sustainability, and horizontal internationalism that must also go. >The consultants did not know at the beginning of the consulting >process that the university officials' preferred option was closing >the college, but became aware of that preference sometime during the >process, Chema said. Asked if he would have made a different >recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, >Chema said, "I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given >them the same data." > So... twice admitting that they wished to close the school without telling anyone but their consultants. >The university administrators were charged with finding an outside >consultant after the trustees' February meeting, when the extent of >the college's financial crisis became clear, according to LaPierre. > And the BoT knew in February and said nothing. >The administrators worked with bankruptcy attorney Jack Pigman of >the>Columbus firm of Porter, Wright, Orris and Arthur to examine >university and college finances, LaPierre said, and that firm >contacted the Gateway Group to "broaden the study out," and provide a >national and situational context. > They contacted attorneys before contact the community and the Alumni and even the president. >The Pigman report is not available to the public due to >"confidentiality and nondisclosure" between attorney and client, >LaPierre said, adding that she had not seen a copy of the report >personally. > How fucking convienent. >Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock was not available to talk >to the press this week, and all questions were channelled through >LaPierre. Antioch Board of Trustees President Art Zucker was on >vacation and did not return phone calls. > Good. sleep while the elves are busy Art. You'd think when charged with running this institution in a time fo crisis vacation can wait. >It has become necessary for the university to funnel press contacts >through a single spokesperson due to the volume of press contacts in >the past several weeks, according to LaPierre. > >"I had no idea that this would be the national story that it is," she >said. "I miscalculated it, totally." > You sure did and its only gonna get worse. Because you are bad. _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 15:17:06 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:30:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] News: The Chronicle of Higher Ed news blog In-Reply-To: <184581.49579.qm@web63902.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gaining ground. http://chronicle.com/news/article/2629/antioch-college-alumni-seek-split-between-college-and-university July 6, 2007 Antioch College Alumni Seek Split Between College and University Antioch College alumni are circulating a resolution that calls for splitting the college away from Antioch University, which operates five nonresidential campuses from Seattle to New Hampshire. The resolution, which was signed by 500 alumni at a reunion at the colleges Ohio campus late last month, requests that an autonomous board of trustees be created for the college, which is to be shuttered next year (The Chronicle, June 29). The alumni want a merger between the college and the universitys McGregor branch, which is located adjacent to the colleges historic but decrepit campus in Yellow Springs, Ohio, and they want the colleges assets to be preserved solely for the use of the Yellow Springs institution. University officials say the college, which had been drowning in debt for years, had stayed afloat with money from the other campuses. Antioch alumni have created a college-revival fund to prevent the looming closure. They have raised $525,000 as of Tuesday, according to the Antiochians Web site. Paul Fain "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From casmith at antioch-college.edu Sat Jul 7 16:18:52 2007 From: casmith at antioch-college.edu (Christine Smith) Date: Sat Jul 7 16:31:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! In-Reply-To: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> References: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> Message-ID: This slip is from an assignment I gave in my learning community, Cool. Their final assignment was to market "the coolest school on earth." I had this idea that if they had to produce media about how wonderful Antioch is, that they might be less likely to drop out (basically, they would experience cognitive dissonance--I just said all these great things about Antioch, and I want to leave...am I crazy??). Christine Psychology faculty member Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at 5:08 PM wrote: >Yep, I believe it was already posted to this list too. There was a >little discussion about the content. Follow the thread below for more >information. > >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-April/000057.html > >Also comments were posted here: > >http://antirecord.org/node/337 > >-Yazz D. Atlas '97 > >On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Kelly O'Keefe wrote: >> >> I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. >> Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 16:30:34 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Sat Jul 7 16:43:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dont loose heart. And stay crazy... like a fox. ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: "Christine Smith" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:18:52 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc2-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 7 >Jul 2007 13:18:23 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 288B56069556;Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.mcgregor.edu (fc.antioch.edu [206.21.41.184])by >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC506606953Efor >; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:10 -0400 (EDT) >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt2+ldJmBX4L0Rm0iAAXkYViyWQawoWXOCQDpUU8vREMRtRILWgaRRdH >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >References: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 20:18:23.0168 (UTC) >FILETIME=[F7D17400:01C7C0D3] > >This slip is from an assignment I gave in my learning community, Cool. >Their final assignment was to market "the coolest school on earth." I had >this idea that if they had to produce media about how wonderful Antioch >is, that they might be less likely to drop out (basically, they would >experience cognitive dissonance--I just said all these great things about >Antioch, and I want to leave...am I crazy??). > >Christine >Psychology faculty member > > > >Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at >5:08 PM wrote: > > > >Yep, I believe it was already posted to this list too. There was a > >little discussion about the content. Follow the thread below for more > >information. > > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-April/000057.html > > > >Also comments were posted here: > > > >http://antirecord.org/node/337 > > > >-Yazz D. Atlas '97 > > > >On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Kelly O'Keefe wrote: > >> > >> I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. > >> Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 17:44:14 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Jul 7 17:57:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Callie: Thanks for forwarding this article. Lesley A.P. Bahr, '83 Buffalo, MN >From: "Callie Cary" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:37:27 -0400 > >Please go to the Yellow Springs website and see this week's stories, >especialy the one about the Gateway Group. The last line is >particularly telling and also tragically predictable -- there are few >left with any institutional memory or understanding of the importance >of Antioch College in the landscape of higher education. > >Callie > >www.ysnews.com > >Article also pasted below: > >Consultants advised Antioch closure > >By Diane Chiddister > >A contributing factor in the Antioch University Board of Trustees >decision to suspend operations of Antioch College was the >distribution, at the trustees' June 9 board meeting, of a report from >the Gateway Consultants Group, an independent consulting group. > >The report reviewed three options for addressing the college's fiscal >emergency, and ultimately chose the third option, which was to close >the college and reopen at a later date. According to some persons >present who requested anonymity, the report, which they had not seen >before the meeting, carried considerable weight. > >Although the Gateway Group was identified in the board's June 9 >resolution as a "respected higher education and business consultants," >its principle consultant, Thomas Chema, had never before been asked to >determine whether a college should close. And in a recent interview >Chema said that for the report he was paid $3,000 plus expenses, a >very small fee in the world of consultants. > >"I have not done this sort of study before," he said. > >While his consulting group has been in existence since 1994, it has >only in the last year performed "due diligence" work for entities such >as businesses and colleges that are in financial distress, identifying >financial concerns and strategies for turnaround, Chema said. He >declined to say how many colleges he has counted among his clients. > >Asked this week about Chema's relative inexperience as a higher >education consultant, Antioch University Vice Chancellor Mary Lou >LaPierre stated he was chosen because he is president of Hiram >University, which several years ago faced a similar financial crisis >to that of Antioch. Chema has been credited with successfully turning >around that college, she said. > >Before taking the helm of Hiram College in 2004, Chema, a graduate of >Harvard Law School, had worked as the executive director of the >Gateway Economic Development Corporation of Greater Cleveland, >chairman of the Ohio Building Authority, and chairman of the Public >Utilities Commission of Ohio, among other positions. > >"He's a very sophisticated business person," LaPierre said. > >According to Chema, he and an associate, Lisa Thibodeux, were the >principle contributors to the Antioch University report, to which Stan >Hales, past president of Wooster College, also contributed. Chema >visited the college for a day in March, during which he spoke with >college employees in admissions, took a tour of physical facilities >and reviewed financial information, according to Chema, who said he >worked on the report for about a month. > >In the seven-page report, the consultants first identify Antioch >College's "situational overview," including the college's drop in >enrollment over the past few years, the need for additional funds of >$6 million for 2006/7 and 2007/8 to balance the budget, and the other >university centers' subsidy of the college for $920,000 in 2006/7. > >This section of the report states that the university's current cash >flow analysis shows the system "running negative" by May 2009 due to >significant losses at the college. > >The report also includes a "macro higher education context" which >states that demographers forecast 2010 as the date of the peak number >of 18-year-olds, after which those numbers begin to decline. It also >states that the number of 18-year-olds in Ohio heading for college is >below the national average. > >"Consequently, the local cohort of students, as well as the expected >national pool, in the relatively near future, presents a significant >challenge to growth for any small liberal arts college," the report >states. > >In the report's situational evaluation, the Gateway Group states that >the college currently accepts about 85 percent of its applicants, >"leaving little room for expanding student numbers through changes in >selectivity." > >The report also identifies the college's two-year old Renewal Plan as >"not sufficient to stimulate substantial prospective student growth in >the short term. There is clearly only a limited number of students who >are interested in the Antioch context and the Antioch program." > >The school's deteriorating physical plant also contributes to its >challenge in attracting new students, the report states. > >Three options > >The Gateway report presents three options, beginning with attempting >to turn the college around. Increased enrollment would have to happen >quickly, the report states, but it would take at least "two years of >consistency and excellence in the admissions program before results >are likely to be seen." > >The second option, discussed in a single paragraph, is that of >combining Antioch College with Antioch University McGregor. > >"While the merger might provide additional savings in the cost >structure which would buy time, this option also assumes substantial >increase in philanthropy to carry the college until the enrollment >changes resulted in substantially greater tuition revenue. We are as >skeptical about the success of this strategy as with just continuing >an incremental approach toward improvement," the report states. > >The third option, that of suspending the college's operations for >several years, is identified as "the one preferred at this time by the >university's management team." > >That option, addressed in two paragraphs, states that during the >suspension period, the university would have the opportunity to >"develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch >College experience," including the development of a "new urban village >on the Antioch College site." > >The suspension would also give university officials time to "identify >the program that a reinvented college needs to present to perspective >students in order to be relevant to them," and the period would allow >for a "cleansing of the ghosts that have plagued Antioch's recruitment >efforts since the 1970s." > >The consultants did not know at the beginning of the consulting >process that the university officials' preferred option was closing >the college, but became aware of that preference sometime during the >process, Chema said. Asked if he would have made a different >recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, >Chema said, "I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given >them the same data." > >The university administrators were charged with finding an outside >consultant after the trustees' February meeting, when the extent of >the college's financial crisis became clear, according to LaPierre. > >The administrators worked with bankruptcy attorney Jack Pigman of the >Columbus firm of Porter, Wright, Orris and Arthur to examine >university and college finances, LaPierre said, and that firm >contacted the Gateway Group to "broaden the study out," and provide a >national and situational context. > >The Pigman report is not available to the public due to >"confidentiality and nondisclosure" between attorney and client, >LaPierre said, adding that she had not seen a copy of the report >personally. > >Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock was not available to talk >to the press this week, and all questions were channelled through >LaPierre. Antioch Board of Trustees President Art Zucker was on >vacation and did not return phone calls. > >It has become necessary for the university to funnel press contacts >through a single spokesperson due to the volume of press contacts in >the past several weeks, according to LaPierre. > >"I had no idea that this would be the national story that it is," she >said. "I miscalculated it, totally." > >Contact: dchiddister@ysnews.com >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 17:52:22 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Jul 7 18:05:20 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good questions and honest, brief answers. This is encouraging. >From: "Gerry Bello" >To: JasonRissa@comcast.net, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:00:47 -0400 > >"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about >that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the >stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the >prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We >carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." >----Durruti > > > > > > > >Are we assuming that the BoT will give up the college if we offer them > >enough cash? > >Yes. > > >Didn't money fail in 2003 when the Antioch Independence Fund offered in > >excess of $1 million in exchange for greater autonomy? > > > >$40 million > $1 million > > >Are we privy to the BoT's hidden agenda, if any? > >Working on it. Overtime. Some of it I think we can begin to accurately >guess. > > >Does the BoT intend to sell substantial portions of the land? > > > >Probably, or develop it in ways that wont make any of us happy. > > >Are the alumni members of the BoT able to talk about BoT business, or do > >they owe a duty of confidentiality to the BoT? > > > >Not sure. > > >Were there any "no" votes among the BoT or, specifically, the executive > >committee regarding closing down? > >Yes. > > >If any BoT member was on the fence, then can he/she be specifically > >identified? > > > >working on it. > > >Can we overlay the membership of the BoT, especially the executive > >committee, with a timeline of events/decisions since 2000? > > > >working on it. > > >If the college becomes independent, which institution gets the endowment > >(currently $30 million, as I understand)? As I ask it, it seems > >self-evident. > > > >Quoting the Coup: > >"When we come were taking everything" > > >Is Steve Lawry a "good guy" or a "bad guy?" I don't mean to >oversimplify, > >and a complex answer would be welcome. > > > >We need Steve for continuity. People seem to think he can learn to work >with us. I hope so. It will make things easier. If we win, its good for >him. If they win its not so good. > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Np, >--G > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://liveearth.msn.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SaveAntioch mailing list >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:17:35 2007 From: jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Terrell) Date: Sat Jul 7 18:30:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Gateway Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gateway Report: "We rely solely on the information provided by the Universitys management in presenting to you the following assessment." Yellow Springs News: "Asked if he would have made a different recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, Chema said, 'I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given them the same data.'" Jeffrey Terrell '00 _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:26:16 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Sat Jul 7 18:39:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey...could we save the "hit up" verbiage for another forum than alumnichat. I can't believe I am going to say this....but please "Respect your Elders, a little bit, OK?...especially the Antiochian lineage....learn a little bit of history....and maybe draw a larger frame of reference than whatever has been getting dished out....I am also all ears for learning from time present...but not if your only view of the past is a few names you can hit up. Enuf said. Lesley A.P. Bahr BFA '83 and 10 year resident of Yellow Springs, OH Buffalo & Ottertail, MN Emergency Room and Watermelon Patch. >From: Hopita@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:56:24 EDT > > > >In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: > >Can or have we hit up “famous” Antiochians (you know – the ones on >the >website – Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould), > >Um, Stephen Jay Gould is dead. > >- Hope '92 > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From dawn at mediawonk.com Sat Jul 7 19:00:23 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Sat Jul 7 19:13:32 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] contacts In-Reply-To: <008401c7c0bb$c0da7c70$0200a8c0@IlseDesktop> Message-ID: Ilse, Did you want someone from the communications group to take this on or, would you like to contact this woman yourself? Sounds like a promising connection, particularly given the fact that Moore is out on the talk show circuit promoting his movie right now. Feel free to contact me off line if you'd like to discuss further. In Solidarity, Dawn Scribner '83 dawn@mediawonk.com On 7/7/07 10:25 AM, "ilse moon" wrote: > Has anyone tried to get in touch with Michael Moore beyond the one letter > written to him earlier by a contact Callie has? > > There is a librarian, Ann Sparanese sparanese@yahoo.com, 201-568-2215 xtn > 229, who helped him get Stupid White Men out to the public. Here is some > information about her from Library Journal.com. The full article tells much > more about the issues she is involved with and if you look her up on Google, > there is plenty of information. I don't know how much she knows about > Antioch, but it certainly is her sort of place. I have heard that she is > still in close touch with Michael Moore. Perhaps she will help us. I don't > know her personally although we may have met once or twice at library > conferences. I'm sure, though, I have friends who do know her fairly well. > Does anyone think this would be helpful? > Ilse Moon '53 > > from www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA281662.html > > "Sparanese doesn't just believe in "diversity" and the "education for > democracy" function of libraries. She has won grants to build collections in > Hispanic studies, African American studies, and Jazz, Blues and World Music; > another grant she wrote funded additional library services to the > Spanish-speaking citizenry. > > Now a vice president for organizing in the Bergen County Central Trades & > Labor Council, she considers this extracurricular union participation among > the most satisfying aspects of a life devoted to social activism. She has also > worked with Cuban librarians to protest the U.S. embargo of Cuba and is active > in a local antiwar committee. > > You may know Sparanese's name because Michael Moore says she saved his book, > Stupid White Men, which his publisher refused to release because it was > critical of George W. Bush. The publisher disputes that this is the reason the > book was finally distributed, but when Sparanese raised the alarm, librarians > swamped the company with complaints and orders. Sparanese sees this as proof > that librarians can fight back?and win?against the squashing of dissent. > > She thinks librarians' commitment to free expression is needed now above all, > because the USA PATRIOT Act has "put libraries in the crosshairs of its new > homeland security policies. It is clearly a time?for small and large acts of > resistance to the erosion of our rights." > From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Jul 8 12:13:54 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:34:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] donation to college revival fund Message-ID: Hi, Callie, I want to send a donation, but I'm a little confused by the info in your e-mail below: >If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. There are two addresses here. What's the Lakewood, Colorado, address for? And U.S. Bank: is that a bank in Yellow Springs? And what about Alan Benard's point about the problem of tax-deductibility? Is there a lawyer's opinion on this? P.S. I'm posting this to the lists as well in case others have similar questions. SJR, C'65 -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Jul 8 12:42:34 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:54:43 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" In-Reply-To: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> References: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> Message-ID: This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term got taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay activists, and others who thought that changing the language would change people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can or should be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. Sapir-Whorf theory, strong and weak versions.) I began to find that some of my more politically aware students thought that "political correctness" was something to defend. But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One could easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" terms: "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why hasn't the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. SJR, C'65 -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From afrye at bwsys.net Sun Jul 8 12:56:43 2007 From: afrye at bwsys.net (Ann Frye) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:09:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" In-Reply-To: References: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> Message-ID: <4691174B.602@bwsys.net> Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally assume the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, women, civil rights, etc. Ann Frye > This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political > correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. > > This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to > hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is > pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left > poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too > seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term got > taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay activists, > and others who thought that changing the language would change > people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can or should > be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. Sapir-Whorf theory, > strong and weak versions.) I began to find that some of my more > politically aware students thought that "political correctness" was > something to defend. > > But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One could > easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" terms: > "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why hasn't > the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? > > Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" > to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the > Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they > don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC > than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how > to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. > > SJR, C'65 From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Jul 8 13:17:48 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:34:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" In-Reply-To: <4691174B.602@bwsys.net> References: <8FF1C2D8-8C8B-4CED-B7E0-488B57E71723@svaha.com> <4691174B.602@bwsys.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Ann, that's exactly the problem. I doubt very strongly that people on this list who use that term are putting down affirmative action, women, civil rights, etc. But as Thelma very passionately explained, thinking that there is only one correct way to be political is what the problem is. One can defend affirmative action, say, in a way that is useful or in a way that antagonizes those who don't already agree with you, or even those who do agree with you, but don't agree with your particular tactics. >Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally >assume the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, >women, civil rights, etc. Ann Frye > -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From sjr5 at nyu.edu Sun Jul 8 13:21:03 2007 From: sjr5 at nyu.edu (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:34:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thelma, I sent my post re PC before I read your long, very useful post, in which you made very clear what you meant by PC. I certainly remember Bob Devine's opposition to the Antioch Independence Fund's proposal to change the name of the institution back to Antioch College, get rid of the University bureaucracy, and treat the other campuses as branches of the college. I was surprised to see him so adamantly lobbying for what we were asking for 10 years ago. I also remember the mannekin incident, read all the posts on the chat list at the time -- but had forgotten Devine's role and that he was president (acting?) at the time. I'm leaving your description of that incident below for those who may not have read down that far. It's important to remember this incident, which, as far as I'm concerned, was worse for Antioch's reputation that the SOPP. Yes, I think most people the people taking the time to read even some of these posts want to save Antioch. But we have to understand what went wrong in the past (history!) in order to not repeat the mistakes of the past. I'm not looking to heap blame on anyone -- I just want to know how we got to this horrible state. >Bob Devine was tapped by Guskin to manage Antioch College, and was >given too much free rein. When he went overboard in his attempt to >be popular with the students, Guskin did not rein him in. Perhaps >he tried and failed. I don't know what went on between them. But >Bob engaged in a lot of very self-indulgent excesses that hurt the >school. For example, and I'm sure anyone patient enough to read >this far will groan loudly, the manikin incident. I am a POC. The >manikin incident was not a racist threat, as far as I am concerned. >I am bewildered what makes it so in the Antioch community's eyes. I >have described it to a wide variety of people to see if they can see >something I am missing. NO ONE sees it as a racist incident. What >I think happened was Bob riled up a cadre of students to see a >bogeyman where there was none. Then he stepped forward to take >leadership in protecting them. In the process, he expelled four >students whose only sin--as far as I can figure out--was engaging in >a poorly-thought-out prank while their consciousnesses (there's that >word again) were...shall we say...altered. Not something unusual at >Antioch (the altered consciousness, that is, nor the pranks). >Expulsion is a very extreme way to deal with this situation. It was >used very, very rarely in the Antioch I attended. I doubt very much >they would have been expelled by any of the presidents in charge >when I was a student. But in doing so, and in pumping it up into a >full-blown KKK attack, Bob manipulated some students and riled up >the entire campus, and the end result was more political (on-campus, >that is) capital for himself. This was not only unethical vis a vis >the students in the College's care but damaging to the College's >reputation (and another cause for people seeing it as a "joke"). >But it was also damaging to the rest of us POCs who actually DO face >racist attacks (unlike Bob, I would point out), whose lives actually >ARE threatened by racially motivated violence, because it lessens >the likelihood that anyone will take them seriously when real >attacks do occur. > >It also was a lousy lesson for the POCs on campus. There is plenty >of racism in the world without producing a generation who sees it >hanging from every tree. Propped on a bicycle, no less. With a >nonsensical placard across its chest. Bob knows nothing about >racism. Hello? Bob does not know SHIT about racism. What he DOES >know is that "fighting racism" is a very, VERY easy way to appear >PC. And he hurts the very people he is ostensibly "protecting". >(By the way, Bob, we don't need your paternalistic protection. >We're fully capable of defending ourselves, thank you very much.) >The presumptiousness on Bob's part makes my ears smoke. > >You ask what I mean by PC? This is out-PCing in action. This is >not about Nike shoes. A community divided, Antioch with yet another >stupid-ass fucked-up mess of negative press, and four students >traumatized by an expulsion they did not deserve. Out-PCing for >Bob's personal gain. Unethical in the extreme. He should have been >fired. He told me in a private post on this subject that the >students were told they could return if they took an anti-racism >workshop. What FOOL would walk into that tinderbox under those >conditions? And what FOR? It was a trumped up incident to further >solidify Bob's popularity with the students, thus ensuring this job >security. Give me a friggin break. That was an abuse of power, in >the extreme, and it hurt Antioch a LOT. > >I have been told by former students that during Bob's tenure as >college president, he was very divisive re the faculty. One camp >wanted the school to focus more on "extremist leftist politics", and >Bob led the charge. The other camp wanted desperately to get back >to beefing up the academic program, which it sorely needs. Guess >which camp won? Which one has been vocal on this Chat, and which >has been silent? > >The end result of all this silliness is that the BoT, alarmed at >sliding standards, steps in and mandates a curriculum change to try >to take control of an out-of-control situation. I've said all this >before. YES, the BoT's decision was harmful (and, in my opinion, >extremely ill-advised). Did they create the situation they were >trying to contain? No. Bob did. Yes, I hold Bob responsible for >what he did with the students and faculty while he was interim >president. To castigate the BoT for something they had no control >over is ludicrous. And WRONG. > >Why did Bob do this? You'll have to ask him. I think he has a deep >need for approval and an even deeper need for power. Is it right to >use your position of power over people half your age in an attempt >to garner even more power? It's unethical. And Bob should have >been fired. He still obviously has a lot of power on that campus. >And on this chat. Why people hang on his every word is beyond me. >Why they take his translation of the history of this problem is >equally mystifying. Bob seems to think that Antioch College is his >personal property. It's not. It never was and it never will be. >That's the meaning of community. He's one of many. But he has a >lot more social power than a lot of people, and that is wrong. To >complain about AU stripping Antioch College of its community >governance, as he has done repeatedly on this chat, having so >outrageously abused his power within the community itself is too >much for this Antiochian. > -- Sonia Jaffe Robbins sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting ******************* "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels From Imabused at aol.com Sun Jul 8 14:09:37 2007 From: Imabused at aol.com (Imabused@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:22:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? Message-ID: Hi all, I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have been working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of creating a viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a coordinator. If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to make this a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think that would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of persons like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right thing - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni - then I am not so confident. Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to communicate on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who are not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet it seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. With a coordinator. I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in coordination or mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to put our power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and affirm the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily access. Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. Jane Slater Class of '80 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From totally at svaha.com Sun Jul 8 14:27:34 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:41:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9CFF10-5FC7-42E0-A213-0550C0B4DE3B@svaha.com> Hi Jane, We have lots of different people coordinating the various aspects of this effort. We created a domain http://antiochians.org that is attempting to bring all the pieces together. It needs some work I admit but it is rapidly gaining traction. The best efforts right now are to try and get people working together in smaller groups through the http:// chapters.antiochians.org site. There information is passed up and down and around. We are also collecting skills so that we can ask for help in certain areas when we need it. I would encourage you to head there. There is also a new forum effort setup http:// antiochians.org/forum I'm one of the few people in Florida I believe but by saying so I'm hoping a ton of people nearby can contact me and we'll start our own chapter. :) If you have any particular areas you are interested in helping out on make it known and I'll try and point you in the best direction. J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) On Jul 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs > have been > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > creating a > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > coordinator. > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that > process > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able > to make this > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I > think that > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are > going to > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group > of persons > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do > the right thing > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and > alumni - > then I am not so confident. > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > communicate > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, > or who are > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the > internet it > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration > going. With a > coordinator. > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > coordination or > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse > group to put our > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully > acknowledge and affirm > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can > easily > access. > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly > feelings of > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > Jane Slater > Class of '80 > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From alicson at gmail.com Sun Jul 8 14:51:58 2007 From: alicson at gmail.com (Alicson) Date: Sun Jul 8 15:04:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c08629e0707081151j419fbbb6i12d18a7a1d5491eb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jane, thanks for voicing these concerns. Coordination and structure has been a stumbling block, but one that many of us have been actively tackling and I think it's coming together. The website http://antiochians.org will be improved and and further-organized over time, but even now it's a valuable one-stop resource for contact information, news, and general information about the existing coordination efforts. We have a number of leaders who have stepped up in the midst of all of this, both at the reunion in Yellow Springs and continuing very actively, communicating online via various mailing lists, and other online tools. There have been some very productive gatherings held by various Alumni Association Chapters (http://chapters.antiochians.org), and everyone is encouraged to get in touch with your local chapter or see about forming one. There are concentrated efforts to include the stories and input of faculty, students, and alumni, and those efforts should be visible on Antiochians.org. Again, contact information (http://antiochians.org/contacts/) is available on the site and anyone interested in taking an active role with any of those committees is invited to contact the appropriate point-persons (or any of us, and we can help redirect you). Also on the site, we'll be posting regular reports as to the accomplishments and plans of the various teams and chapters involved in the mission to save Antioch. Regarding the need for a forum, we felt the very same way, and http://antiochians.org/forum is the result of that feeling. ...and I see Greg has just covered all of this. thanks Greg :) Best regards to all, ~Alicson On 7/8/07, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have > been > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > creating a > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > coordinator. > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to > make this > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think > that > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of > persons > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right > thing > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni > - > then I am not so confident. > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > communicate > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who > are > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet > it > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. > With a > coordinator. > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > coordination or > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to > put our > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and > affirm > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily > access. > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > Jane Slater > Class of '80 > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From Sistersara at aol.com Sun Jul 8 17:06:38 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 8 17:19:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alanbernard on ACAA Message-ID: In a message dated 7/8/2007 3:02:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alanbenard@comcast.net writes: I believe it is absolutely necessary in the interest of transparency for the ACAA leadership to explain: * Steps to organize as a private, non-profit association in the State of Ohio * Steps to create legal barriers to challenges to the Revival Fund's independence from AU * An explanation of what kind of organization is in formation, if any -- a 501(c)3 or a foundation * An explanation of how Revival funds entrusted to a third party would be legally protected, how much overhead would be charged for the administration of the fund, how donations would be tax-deductible, and the mechanism by which those funds would be returned to the control of the ACAA for disposition to a separated AC and what their disposition would be if AC is never re-opened and/or not separated. I expect no clear answers. Alan Benard Totally second this position. If indeed ACAA is incorporated as a non-profit in the state of Ohio, the Sec of State or the ACAA board ought to be able to post the official charter, including the dates when the charter was filed and all. I would point out that if something was done in 1969 as someone suggested, that was 1) before the University was created, and 2) an entirely different group of board members. I doubt if a 1969 mission statement would in any way be adequate at this point. My own memory has it that in 1969 the question was whether there would be one big Alumni Association for everyone, or whether College alumns wanted to retain their older and informal organization. That is hardly the issue today. What is needed now, for fully understandable legal reasons, is a formal voted resolution to incorporate for purposes of the new mission, with a formal vote by the ACAA Board as it currently stands as an alumni elected entities. This would be followed by the officers filing paperwork with Ohio's Secretary of State. The Sec of State will give you a fancy piece of paper called a "CHARTER" once you file, and that is preliminary to doing the rest of what's necessary to file your 501 or other category of tax exempt class available to the now properly chartered ACAA. I would respectfully point out to the Alumni Board that we do have empirical evidence available as to how Alumni feel about some sort of switch being pulled, and suddenly finding that funds intended for the College have suddenly been changed into University funds. During AIF about 1.2 million was contributed to the fund, and in the end only 160 thousand had Antioch University as secondary designee. You may not clearly understand all the legal matters involved here yet, but I can assure the current ACAA board you have a moral obligation to assure any donor that they have a choice to prevent any money they donate being used for a purpose they do not intend. The only way you can do this is to clean up the incorporation matter, and post clearly all decisions of the board. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From GoodmanD at gtlaw.com Sun Jul 8 22:37:57 2007 From: GoodmanD at gtlaw.com (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) Date: Sun Jul 8 22:50:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems Message-ID: I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and continues to provide to students of the college. Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all different types of people would be interested. A great educational environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine and I'm really glad he was around to express them. What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an educational institution. The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a factor in her employment? I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the privacy of a dorm room. Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been involved with the college. Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it all. What a waste of time. I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked into. Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you afraid of what you might find? 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From dawn at mediawonk.com Sun Jul 8 23:16:15 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Sun Jul 8 23:29:06 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sick of the personal attacks on this list and this one is especially offensive. There were several professors who had relationships with students at Antioch during the 80's (and probably the 60's and 70's for that matter,) and more then one resulted in marriage. Appropriate? Probably not. Relevant to how we keep the college open today? ABSOLUTELY not. On 7/8/07 7:37 PM, "GoodmanD@gtlaw.com" wrote: > I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia > Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what > went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that > are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and > continues to provide to students of the college. > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why > a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though > I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to > point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all > different types of people would be interested. A great educational > environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing > multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There > was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite > interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He > added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine > and I'm really glad he was around to express them. > > What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you > guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be > fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as > "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last > number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person > refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the > renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under > the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of > development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know > who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the > number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting > mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the > college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college > fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is > sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and > more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 > reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the > disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were > many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate > money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two > were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was > during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a > consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a > small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate > Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time > for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to > be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks > attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to > donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket > science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of > college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making > sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? > Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of > the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think > not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside > of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other > than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a > factor in her employment? > > I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible > in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions > of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very > cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) > enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms > and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student > or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the > privacy of a dorm room. > > Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years > at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few > things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors > who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob > Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one > friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and > I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really > slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who > exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who > went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor > who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No > exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the > rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that > happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved > that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule > (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. > > Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of > this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many > times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza > parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and > professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I > saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college > would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student > that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. > > Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry > and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with > before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of > statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in > your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a > smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of > Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I > think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and > I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if > Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. > Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither > would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been > involved with the college. > > Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if > there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing > together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that > Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I > believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned > that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a > truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and > legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as > has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two > supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the > armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent > student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then > picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I > believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." > I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was > really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it > all. What a waste of time. > > I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking > that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and > thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike > incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. > > Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. > Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you > afraid of what you might find? > > Debra '83 > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by > the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise > specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be > used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue > Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters > addressed herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and > confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) > named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the > original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an > email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > From bgutelius at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 00:22:57 2007 From: bgutelius at gmail.com (beth) Date: Mon Jul 9 00:35:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Updates! Message-ID: <96a99a8d0707082122u4fc7211v2cade88193456b0e@mail.gmail.com> please check http://antiochians.org/news for updates on work happening that may not be immediately apparent... in cahoots beth'00 From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 9 01:00:41 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:16:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of everyones time. We all have our heroes and villains in our own personal 'Antioch Adventure'. But that was then, this is now. It's one thing to look at our history but it's another to keep pointing at it and saying 'BAD ANTIOCH! NO DONUT'. I guess my point is, point out past problems sure.. but then how about brainstorming how can we work to help the campus to start to move in a direction where it can reach it's full potential? This was one of my mantras when i was a student, "Don't just complain, get involved". Hate the caf food? Join CafCil. Hate the dorms? Join HAB? Don't like the current CMs? Run for office. If the doors close on 7/1/08 then we'll have plenty of time to dig out every little factoid & dark rumor because any semblance of the Antioch we knew, good or bad, will be gone and the new shiny 'Antioch University Yellow Springs' will appear several years later. I'd rather focus on getting Antioch College 07/01/08 and beyond to be an amazing, dynamic and exciting place that I'm proud to be associated with. I've been waiting for years to feel this way about Antioch again and now that alumni are taking the lead in helping not only raise money to 'save antioch' but also brainstorming on what it's going to take to keep it open I'm very excited to be involved. Join me on http://antiochians.org/ -Matt '92 From totally at svaha.com Mon Jul 9 01:03:55 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:18:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E32CBC-AC94-4F67-845B-30707EDF5BE6@svaha.com> Hello Debra, I have some responses for you. > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to someone about your pent up feelings. > Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been expressed on this. > Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him because he does good work. Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their home and their intelligence. You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by somebody more professional than this online confessional. I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. Sincerely, J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) From jredhead at comcast.net Mon Jul 9 01:10:15 2007 From: jredhead at comcast.net (jredhead) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:22:46 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Stop the Slander! References: <20070709025036.E3EB7606C55F@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <013a01c7c1e7$6fb94f10$21610818@yourtosc5zh62c> I wasn't on campus at the time the accusations about Bob Devine in previous alumni posts were happening. When I was on campus, I think he was the music professor, and I never took any music courses, so I didn't know him. What I do know is that I am horrified by the accusations I just read. But I am old enough now to know slander when I see it. ***STOP THE INFIGHTING AND SLANDER, MY FELLOW ANTIOCHIANS!*** Focus on saving Antioch! Don't spend your time slandering Bob Devine. I've heard it said that the CIA undercover agents can go in, pretend to be part of an leftist organization, and waste it to death by starting bickering and infighting. It seems to me that this is what I am seeing on the chat list. I certainly hope there aren't CIA operatives amongst us. I have seen organizations destroyed by infighting and bickering and both sides acting shocked and claiming the other side is being politically incorrect. We are Antiochians. I implore you all to get out there and do something about stopping Antioch from closing instead of bickering and infighting. Bob's replies to this chatlist have seemed reasonable and moderate to me. The fact that he still takes time to reply to this chat list says to me that he is concerned about Alumni. If I was still on campus, I might see it differently. But I graduated a long time ago, and I have grown up enough to know when to stop slinging mud and gossip. I hope you all will too. Jeanne Papish '81 From bazata.bonnie at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 01:33:08 2007 From: bazata.bonnie at gmail.com (Bonnie Bazata) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:45:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Stop the Slander! Message-ID: I can not believe that the conversation has broken down to this level of personal attacks. I've enjoyed reading many of the creative ideas, insightful remarks and robust dialogue, often on points of disagreement -- and I've really appreciated the posting of the articles from around the country -- but there is more and more negativity seeping in, and this latest attack was disgusting. I'm moving over to www.antiochians.org. The site is now very well organized and structured around topics and committees that are meant to move the process ahead constructively. My time is too precious and my resources too stretched so I'm going to stay focused on the agenda and conversation about keeping our College open. Bonnie Bazata '83 From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 9 01:36:42 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:52:00 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just realized what I should have posted as a response to this and all other notes that contain nasty comments and the like; "Antioch College is a community dedicated to the search for truth, the development of individual potential, and the pursuit of social justice. In order to fulfill our objectives, freedom must be matched by responsibility. As a member of the Antioch Community, I affirm that I will be honest and respectful in all my relationships, and I will advance these standards of behavior in others." -Antioch College Honor Code From GoodmanD at gtlaw.com Mon Jul 9 01:45:01 2007 From: GoodmanD at gtlaw.com (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 01:57:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems Message-ID: You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the college. I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew since I don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at the problems in hopes of fixing them. I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, other philanthropists. What plan will we present? Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such feelings for people you care about. Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree with him. Brainwashing anyone? Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems Hello Debra, I have some responses for you. > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to someone about your pent up feelings. > Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been expressed on this. > Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him because he does good work. Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their home and their intelligence. You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by somebody more professional than this online confessional. I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. Sincerely, J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) -------------------------------------------------------- Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. 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Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu To: Alumni Chat List Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:36:42 2007 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems I just realized what I should have posted as a response to this and all other notes that contain nasty comments and the like; "Antioch College is a community dedicated to the search for truth, the development of individual potential, and the pursuit of social justice. In order to fulfill our objectives, freedom must be matched by responsibility. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 01:49:57 2007 From: thebangaloreblue at yahoo.com (TheBangaloreBlue) Date: Mon Jul 9 02:02:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems In-Reply-To: <41E32CBC-AC94-4F67-845B-30707EDF5BE6@svaha.com> Message-ID: <393201.38769.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In typical Antioch fashion, this conversation has gotten kinda crazy, with all sides holding some degree of truth. I'm confused - is there no place for people who support the TEMPORARY pause of the college in order to stay open? Regardless of how I feel about the topic, I think those agreeing with the Board's decision to TEMPORARILY pause the college's operations should be able to have their voice heard without the threat of being attacked AND should be able to be part of the "SAVE ANTIOCH" movement. I feel that the "you agree with us or we have no space for you here" attitude leads people into believing that the current culture of Antioch is toxic. I yearn for the place that a pro-life, evangelical Christian woman would want to attend antioch. Unfortunately, with attitudes that are being displayed on this email group, I think that Antioch cannot remain a viable institution. Lets fight and work together to keep Antioch open. If that means to TEMPORARILY PAUSE operations, so be it. "J. Greg Williams" wrote: Hello Debra, I have some responses for you. > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to someone about your pent up feelings. > Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been expressed on this. > Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him because he does good work. Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their home and their intelligence. You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by somebody more professional than this online confessional. I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. Sincerely, J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From totally at svaha.com Mon Jul 9 02:34:21 2007 From: totally at svaha.com (J. Greg Williams) Date: Mon Jul 9 02:48:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Thelma, I see you have a very specific incident in mind that has upset you greatly. We can slice back in time however we like to try and find the "real" cause of the problems. My personal favorite being Guskin creating the position of Chancellor for himself and moving the role to Seattle. None of these events properly identified will make a bit of difference if the college is allowed to close. I know there is a group of people who wish for it to close so that all it's bad cultural elements can be purged. I do not agree with this. I think the incredible loss far outweighs any perceived advantages of cultural reset. > I've been answering private posts to my message to the chat for > over eight hours so please forgive me if I am not the most tactful-- > something I'm not known to be, anyhow. You might want to work on that, if you wish to be taken seriously. > Agreed. Some of us think raising money is most important right now > and others think we need to get to the bottom of the problems > first. I'm in the second camp. What bottom are you trying to get to? And how will you know when you've reached it? > The rest of this snip doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry. What I was saying was, just because you don't like something and denigrate it openly, doesn't make you correct. And I still don't like being insulted which you didn't acknowledge. If you'd like to continue having a civil conversation with me I would prefer it if you didn't insinuate that I am a trench-coat wearing pervert. > The decision to close the school was arrived at through a long > process pre-dating the curriculum change and the fiscal crisis it > created, and it's amazing it's lasted this long, given everything > that has been going on there. What do you mean by this? Do you have some special knowledge of the long term plans of the University to close the College? > If you want a good old Anglo-Saxon word, it is about BULLYING. Not > unique to Antioch, but way out of control there at the moment. And > it runs throughout the school, including in the faculty. NOT > acceptable, Greg. NOT acceptable. I don't care what fancy > language it is couched in, BULLYING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I believe that yelling at people (IN ALL CAPS!) and belittling opinions that differ from yours along with awful insinuations and insults is considered bullying. If you truly concerned about such things, you need to examine your own behavior closely. > lot and I don't believe it is valid. > > PC is short for political correctness, as you already know, I am > sure. Political correctness refers to a set of values and > assumptions that are acceptable. If someone or something is not > PC, it is not socially acceptable. The term does not necessarily > indicate true political engagement or political sophistication or > political savvy. It is a form of censorship--of thought, language, > and behavior. It is ana anathema to progressive politics and > consensus-building. It's also incredibly self-destructive, self- > deluding, and indicates a CLOSED society--closed in every sense of > the word. NOT Antioch. NOT Antiochian. When you throw that term at people you are using it as it's intended. A pejorative. Thus complex ideas can be wrapped with the label of PC and then immediately derided and discarded. I argue that the term is meaningless. > It's just juvenile. It also indicates a pretty serious > misunderstanding of globalization. Each conflict is an opportunity to learn or in some cases re-learn what is truly important. I used the Nike example because it is a favorite story told by the current president. You may not think it's a valid concern, which is fine, but your marginalizing those that do (because you don't) is your own personal hegemony. If you truly believe it's a serious misunderstanding of globalization, then that is your opportunity to engage in civil debate. The end result is we all become wiser. > Nice idea--haven't read that post--give me a student and I'd be > happy to "mentor" him or her. The problems will remain, however. > We still need to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps mentoring is > an important component in changing the campus culture. But we > still need to identify the underlying problems. Your putting mentor in quotes scares me. As does your constant anger and need to get to the bottom of something that unless we all come together in the next year will be moot. Again I ask you, what bottom are you hoping to find? A very small minority of people of which you and Debra seem to be a part of, have become very vocal and have pretty much caused most conversations on this list to come to a halt. I would argue that your constant need to dig up some more dirt for your own self satisfaction, does not in anyway help prevent this College from being closed in a year. > No. Others have. English is a great language, but not always as > specific as I would like. And we are talking on a public chat. So > there is you, singular, and there is you, plural. I am going back > and forth here because this is a public forum. By definition, > since my post was to the Chat and not a private one to you, I am > using both forms of second person. I think you need to stop speaking to the collective you and focus on speaking to the person who is talking to you. Lest you get confused and go off on another tirade. You used my name specifically many times, Thelma, and thus I respond. > It is a worthwhile goal if we can identify and address the > underlying problems, Greg. How many times do I have to say this? Okay now that you've identified them, now what are you going to do? What are you Thelma, going to do to ensure that the College doesn't close? > < Just because a very bright 20 year old thinks Antioch is a joke > doesn't make it so. > > This is the population you have to convince. This is your polity. Something that's very difficult to do when you are constantly telling people that it's a joke and deteriorating and that we've given up reason in pursuit of being PC. > Stop following Bob mindlessly. (And I'm not saying that to you, > Greg, but to YOU, sweet persons who have read this far.) You seem to believe that only people who think like you have intelligence and that if someone actually likes someone you don't then they must be mindless. I conclude your rationality is suspect. > I would like to see provisions in this new planned Antioch that > will prevent the kind of power-grab and controlling of an entire > community that has happened under Bob Devine. You seem to be missing the source of power here. The College is being closed, there will be no Antioch College after that. The University's plans have been in motion for a while now and they don't include input from you, me or anyone else at the College. > You don't have to convince us that Antioch is worth saving. You DO > need to figure out which Antioch you are fighting to save. If it > is the PC/dysfunctional school, nothing you can do will convince > many. But if it is the Antioch of high standards and integrity, I > don't think you need to convince ANY of us of this, Greg. We are > ALL united in that. I am not aware that there are two Antioch Colleges. I do know that if we don't stop complaining about every perceived injustice there will be only one Antioch College closed June of 2008 and that will be the saddest day. > of the College even when presented with the facts. Taken from my > archives of the Alumni-chat list: > > I'm sorry but the so-called "facts" have not been in the open. > These are not things you are going to find in your beloved > statistics, Greg. The only way this will come out in the open is > if someone is willing to be the nasty troll and bring them up. So > I am taking on that role. And thus the truth does come out. Your a troll. http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 > I am SCREAMING for such a place to be created and for community > discussions to get started, post haste, if they haven't already. http://antiochians.org Your screaming isn't making anyone feel safer let me assure you and like Debra, I recommend you seek professional help. > And honesty and TRUE democratic interaction are essential. Agreed. J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) From jonahliebert at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 03:05:57 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Mon Jul 9 03:18:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/9/07, Matthew Baya wrote: >Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of everyones time. Matt, I generally appreciate your posts, but I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I think the heart of the problem is that in order for all us to "just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and 'new Antioch' needs to be different," we would first need to define how the old Antioch wasn't perfect and how the 'new Antioch' needs to be different. This seems integral to me to "saving Antioch," but there are many here who will simply not tolerate such a discussion. "Saving Antioch" has come to mean that not a single question or criticism can be uttered against the old Antioch, which I believe most of us would agree had problems, except regarding University-College governance relations. So if we agree Antioch had problems and that the new Antioch needs to be different to stay alive, why can't we talk about fixing the problems? BTW, I think you and whoever else put together www.antiochians.org did a remarkable job. Congratulations! I will switch to that site for now on. Jonah Liebert '03 From alicson at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 03:23:29 2007 From: alicson at gmail.com (Alicson) Date: Mon Jul 9 03:36:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c08629e0707090023h3e1ecc9av7dd5382317010adf@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Matt. I couldn't agree more. And actually I'm not sure now that an invitation went out to this particular alumni-chat mailing list (so many mailing lists) regarding the Forum at Antiochians.org (http://antiochians.org/forum). If it did, then I've just repeated the invitation. Either way, you are all welcome and encouraged to bring your questions/ideas/discussions there. Just saw Jonah's email.. That's a very fair point, about needing to recognize past problems in order to improve them. However, I think that part of Matt's point is that rather than dwelling on and complaining about Antioch's flaws (and yes, it has flaws!!), and using those as reasons to not do anything to save it, we are deciding it is worth saving, and working on ways to do that AND, in that light, will examine ways to fix old problems/make the college sustainable and brilliant as we (I certainly do) believe it intends to be and can be. Best regards to all, and hope to see you on the Forum, ~Alicson On 7/9/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that > the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't > heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal > plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture > & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of > everyones time. We all have our heroes and villains in our own > personal 'Antioch Adventure'. But that was then, this is now. It's > one thing to look at our history but it's another to keep pointing at > it and saying 'BAD ANTIOCH! NO DONUT'. I guess my point is, point out > past problems sure.. but then how about brainstorming how can we work > to help the campus to start to move in a direction where it can reach > it's full potential? This was one of my mantras when i was a student, > "Don't just complain, get involved". Hate the caf food? Join CafCil. > Hate the dorms? Join HAB? Don't like the current CMs? Run for office. > > If the doors close on 7/1/08 then we'll have plenty of time to dig > out every little factoid & dark rumor because any semblance of the > Antioch we knew, good or bad, will be gone and the new shiny 'Antioch > University Yellow Springs' will appear several years later. I'd > rather focus on getting Antioch College 07/01/08 and beyond to be an > amazing, dynamic and exciting place that I'm proud to be associated > with. I've been waiting for years to feel this way about Antioch > again and now that alumni are taking the lead in helping not only > raise money to 'save antioch' but also brainstorming on what it's > going to take to keep it open I'm very excited to be involved. Join > me on http://antiochians.org/ > > -Matt '92 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From kim.jurriaans at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 03:34:08 2007 From: kim.jurriaans at gmail.com (Kim-Jenna Jurriaans) Date: Mon Jul 9 03:46:48 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems Message-ID: <43919c750707090034p48ab7ed0tcc0e53dadd048fb1@mail.gmail.com> Madam, As a comunity member and student journalist at Antioch college, I am very troubled by the way you bring a faculty member's sex life into the discussion around Saving Antioch College. Whether the subject be Bob Devine or any other person at the College, this has by far been the most appaling post I have read in this forum. To me this is very much endemic of the increasing shift of focus in daily debates in the US today, from politics to a focus on the personal. In that reagrd It reminds the reader all too well of a national witch hunt conducted in 1999. The much overused term toxic comes to mind. Apart from the obvious diversion from the purpose of this list, it is sad to say at least, that whatever valid points of critique you might have made in regard to your experiences with fundrasing efforts at past reunions (I wasn't there), you uphold no respectability in this domain when elaborating on personal issues of trust in the way you chose to do. The inappropriateness of these remarks in a public forum geared to save the college, and the implications that such remarks can have on the reputation of the person in question, I will not have to explain to you. One would think an Antioch Education would have taught anyone to make their point while still leaving the opponents dignity in tact (I am certainly trying my best here). Likewise, I urge you, as a woman educated in critical thinking, to look further than "tales...." about threatening students and Nike shoes as a foundation for an all encompassing theory on the weakness of this institution. As a writer who has critically observed many strata of community life, and as a straight, white, woman who shaves her legs and occasionally wears suits to class (i'm taking the bait here for a minute), I distance myself from the "insert popular myth here"-portrayal of the Antioch community that you are providing. I know that it is tempting to have an "informed oppinion" when it concerns a place that was once your home. I for my part, however, are becoming rather tired of diagnoses made from behind computer screens in California, Nebraska, Wisconsin or Columbus Ohio for that matter, by those whose participation in current community life is limited to a bi-yearly visit to the college at best. It is unfortunate that Mr Lawry was greated with a brick in his office at the beginning of the fall term '06 and I have indeed heard of one student having to leave campus after making threatening remarks to a woman of color in the term before I entered Antioch. Both incidents, however, have been widely denounced and do not characterize a community. May you still be sceptical about my "tales" in this post, I am more than happy to provide you with a full medical record of the last 12 months showing no sign of fisical abuse or mental harm, as well as any academic work, plus receips of recent purchases at Sephora and McDonalds, if this helps you to see that Education, personal choices and civil dialog are still at the heart of Antioch College. Thank you, Kim-Jenna Jurriaans '08 On 7/8/07, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: > Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 30 second break....and Antioch faces! (Gerry Bello) > 2. RE: YS News and Gateway (dl bahr) > 3. Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions (dl bahr) > 4. RE: Re: Gateway Report (Jeffrey Terrell) > 5. RE: Re: Stephen Jay Gould (dl bahr) > 6. Re: contacts (Dawn Scribner) > 7. donation to college revival fund (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > 8. Re: "political correctness" (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > 9. Re: Re: "political correctness" (Ann Frye) > 10. Re: Re: "political correctness" (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > 11. RE: Long response, slightly relevant (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > 12. Coordinator? (Imabused@aol.com) > 13. Re: Coordinator? (J. Greg Williams) > 14. Re: Coordinator? (Alicson) > 15. Re: Alanbernard on ACAA (Sistersara@aol.com) > 16. Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other > Problems (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Gerry Bello" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:30:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! > > Dont loose heart. And stay crazy... like a fox. > > ---G > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > ----Durruti > > > > > > >From: "Christine Smith" > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >To: "Alumni Chat List" > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:18:52 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by > >bay0-mc2-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 7 > >Jul 2007 13:18:23 -0700 > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 288B56069556;Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from mail.mcgregor.edu (fc.antioch.edu [206.21.41.184])by > >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC506606953Efor > >; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:10 -0400 (EDT) > >X-Message-Info: > >LsUYwwHHNt2+ldJmBX4L0Rm0iAAXkYViyWQawoWXOCQDpUU8vREMRtRILWgaRRdH > >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 > >References: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> > >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: Alumni Chat List > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, > >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 20:18:23.0168 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[F7D17400:01C7C0D3] > > > >This slip is from an assignment I gave in my learning community, Cool. > >Their final assignment was to market "the coolest school on earth." I had > >this idea that if they had to produce media about how wonderful Antioch > >is, that they might be less likely to drop out (basically, they would > >experience cognitive dissonance--I just said all these great things about > >Antioch, and I want to leave...am I crazy??). > > > >Christine > >Psychology faculty member > > > > > > > >Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at > >5:08 PM wrote: > > > > > > >Yep, I believe it was already posted to this list too. There was a > > >little discussion about the content. Follow the thread below for more > > >information. > > > > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-April/000057.html > > > > > >Also comments were posted here: > > > > > >http://antirecord.org/node/337 > > > > > >-Yazz D. Atlas '97 > > > > > >On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Kelly O'Keefe wrote: > > >> > > >> I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. > > >> Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. > > >> > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "dl bahr" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:44:14 +0000 > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway > Callie: > Thanks for forwarding this article. > Lesley A.P. Bahr, '83 > Buffalo, MN > > >From: "Callie Cary" > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >To: "Alumni Chat List" > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:37:27 -0400 > > > >Please go to the Yellow Springs website and see this week's stories, > >especialy the one about the Gateway Group. The last line is > >particularly telling and also tragically predictable -- there are few > >left with any institutional memory or understanding of the importance > >of Antioch College in the landscape of higher education. > > > >Callie > > > >www.ysnews.com > > > >Article also pasted below: > > > >Consultants advised Antioch closure > > > >By Diane Chiddister > > > >A contributing factor in the Antioch University Board of Trustees > >decision to suspend operations of Antioch College was the > >distribution, at the trustees' June 9 board meeting, of a report from > >the Gateway Consultants Group, an independent consulting group. > > > >The report reviewed three options for addressing the college's fiscal > >emergency, and ultimately chose the third option, which was to close > >the college and reopen at a later date. According to some persons > >present who requested anonymity, the report, which they had not seen > >before the meeting, carried considerable weight. > > > >Although the Gateway Group was identified in the board's June 9 > >resolution as a "respected higher education and business consultants," > >its principle consultant, Thomas Chema, had never before been asked to > >determine whether a college should close. And in a recent interview > >Chema said that for the report he was paid $3,000 plus expenses, a > >very small fee in the world of consultants. > > > >"I have not done this sort of study before," he said. > > > >While his consulting group has been in existence since 1994, it has > >only in the last year performed "due diligence" work for entities such > >as businesses and colleges that are in financial distress, identifying > >financial concerns and strategies for turnaround, Chema said. He > >declined to say how many colleges he has counted among his clients. > > > >Asked this week about Chema's relative inexperience as a higher > >education consultant, Antioch University Vice Chancellor Mary Lou > >LaPierre stated he was chosen because he is president of Hiram > >University, which several years ago faced a similar financial crisis > >to that of Antioch. Chema has been credited with successfully turning > >around that college, she said. > > > >Before taking the helm of Hiram College in 2004, Chema, a graduate of > >Harvard Law School, had worked as the executive director of the > >Gateway Economic Development Corporation of Greater Cleveland, > >chairman of the Ohio Building Authority, and chairman of the Public > >Utilities Commission of Ohio, among other positions. > > > >"He's a very sophisticated business person," LaPierre said. > > > >According to Chema, he and an associate, Lisa Thibodeux, were the > >principle contributors to the Antioch University report, to which Stan > >Hales, past president of Wooster College, also contributed. Chema > >visited the college for a day in March, during which he spoke with > >college employees in admissions, took a tour of physical facilities > >and reviewed financial information, according to Chema, who said he > >worked on the report for about a month. > > > >In the seven-page report, the consultants first identify Antioch > >College's "situational overview," including the college's drop in > >enrollment over the past few years, the need for additional funds of > >$6 million for 2006/7 and 2007/8 to balance the budget, and the other > >university centers' subsidy of the college for $920,000 in 2006/7. > > > >This section of the report states that the university's current cash > >flow analysis shows the system "running negative" by May 2009 due to > >significant losses at the college. > > > >The report also includes a "macro higher education context" which > >states that demographers forecast 2010 as the date of the peak number > >of 18-year-olds, after which those numbers begin to decline. It also > >states that the number of 18-year-olds in Ohio heading for college is > >below the national average. > > > >"Consequently, the local cohort of students, as well as the expected > >national pool, in the relatively near future, presents a significant > >challenge to growth for any small liberal arts college," the report > >states. > > > >In the report's situational evaluation, the Gateway Group states that > >the college currently accepts about 85 percent of its applicants, > >"leaving little room for expanding student numbers through changes in > >selectivity." > > > >The report also identifies the college's two-year old Renewal Plan as > >"not sufficient to stimulate substantial prospective student growth in > >the short term. There is clearly only a limited number of students who > >are interested in the Antioch context and the Antioch program." > > > >The school's deteriorating physical plant also contributes to its > >challenge in attracting new students, the report states. > > > >Three options > > > >The Gateway report presents three options, beginning with attempting > >to turn the college around. Increased enrollment would have to happen > >quickly, the report states, but it would take at least "two years of > >consistency and excellence in the admissions program before results > >are likely to be seen." > > > >The second option, discussed in a single paragraph, is that of > >combining Antioch College with Antioch University McGregor. > > > >"While the merger might provide additional savings in the cost > >structure which would buy time, this option also assumes substantial > >increase in philanthropy to carry the college until the enrollment > >changes resulted in substantially greater tuition revenue. We are as > >skeptical about the success of this strategy as with just continuing > >an incremental approach toward improvement," the report states. > > > >The third option, that of suspending the college's operations for > >several years, is identified as "the one preferred at this time by the > >university's management team." > > > >That option, addressed in two paragraphs, states that during the > >suspension period, the university would have the opportunity to > >"develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch > >College experience," including the development of a "new urban village > >on the Antioch College site." > > > >The suspension would also give university officials time to "identify > >the program that a reinvented college needs to present to perspective > >students in order to be relevant to them," and the period would allow > >for a "cleansing of the ghosts that have plagued Antioch's recruitment > >efforts since the 1970s." > > > >The consultants did not know at the beginning of the consulting > >process that the university officials' preferred option was closing > >the college, but became aware of that preference sometime during the > >process, Chema said. Asked if he would have made a different > >recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, > >Chema said, "I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given > >them the same data." > > > >The university administrators were charged with finding an outside > >consultant after the trustees' February meeting, when the extent of > >the college's financial crisis became clear, according to LaPierre. > > > >The administrators worked with bankruptcy attorney Jack Pigman of the > >Columbus firm of Porter, Wright, Orris and Arthur to examine > >university and college finances, LaPierre said, and that firm > >contacted the Gateway Group to "broaden the study out," and provide a > >national and situational context. > > > >The Pigman report is not available to the public due to > >"confidentiality and nondisclosure" between attorney and client, > >LaPierre said, adding that she had not seen a copy of the report > >personally. > > > >Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock was not available to talk > >to the press this week, and all questions were channelled through > >LaPierre. Antioch Board of Trustees President Art Zucker was on > >vacation and did not return phone calls. > > > >It has become necessary for the university to funnel press contacts > >through a single spokesperson due to the volume of press contacts in > >the past several weeks, according to LaPierre. > > > >"I had no idea that this would be the national story that it is," she > >said. "I miscalculated it, totally." > > > >Contact: dchiddister@ysnews.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "dl bahr" > To: gerrybello@hotmail.com > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:52:22 +0000 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions > > Good questions and honest, brief answers. This is encouraging. > > >From: "Gerry Bello" > >To: JasonRissa@comcast.net, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:00:47 -0400 > > > > >"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > >that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > >stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > >prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > >carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > >----Durruti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Are we assuming that the BoT will give up the college if we offer them > > >enough cash? > > > >Yes. > > > > >Didn't money fail in 2003 when the Antioch Independence Fund offered in > > >excess of $1 million in exchange for greater autonomy? > > > > > > >$40 million > $1 million > > > > >Are we privy to the BoT's hidden agenda, if any? > > > >Working on it. Overtime. Some of it I think we can begin to accurately > >guess. > > > > >Does the BoT intend to sell substantial portions of the land? > > > > > > >Probably, or develop it in ways that wont make any of us happy. > > > > >Are the alumni members of the BoT able to talk about BoT business, or do > > >they owe a duty of confidentiality to the BoT? > > > > > > >Not sure. > > > > >Were there any "no" votes among the BoT or, specifically, the executive > > >committee regarding closing down? > > > >Yes. > > > > >If any BoT member was on the fence, then can he/she be specifically > > >identified? > > > > > > >working on it. > > > > >Can we overlay the membership of the BoT, especially the executive > > >committee, with a timeline of events/decisions since 2000? > > > > > > >working on it. > > > > >If the college becomes independent, which institution gets the endowment > > >(currently $30 million, as I understand)? As I ask it, it seems > > >self-evident. > > > > > > >Quoting the Coup: > > > >"When we come were taking everything" > > > > >Is Steve Lawry a "good guy" or a "bad guy?" I don't mean to > >oversimplify, > > >and a complex answer would be welcome. > > > > > > >We need Steve for continuity. People seem to think he can learn to work > >with us. I hope so. It will make things easier. If we win, its good for > >him. If they win its not so good. > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >Np, > >--G > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >http://liveearth.msn.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SaveAntioch mailing list > >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jeffrey Terrell" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:17:35 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Gateway Report > Gateway Report: "We rely solely on the information provided by the > University's management in presenting to you the following assessment." > > Yellow Springs News: "Asked if he would have made a different recommendation > had the university expressed a different preference, Chema said, 'I don't > know if we would have or not. We would have given them the same data.'" > > Jeffrey Terrell '00 > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "dl bahr" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:26:16 +0000 > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould > Hey...could we save the "hit up" verbiage for another forum than alumnichat. > I can't believe I am going to say this....but please "Respect your Elders, > a little bit, OK?...especially the Antiochian lineage....learn a little bit > of history....and maybe draw a larger frame of reference than whatever has > been getting dished out....I am also all ears for learning from time > present...but not if your only view of the past is a few names you can hit > up. > Enuf said. > Lesley A.P. Bahr BFA '83 and 10 year resident of Yellow Springs, OH > Buffalo & Ottertail, MN > Emergency Room and Watermelon Patch. > > > >From: Hopita@aol.com > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:56:24 EDT > > > > > > > >In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: > > > >Can or have we hit up "famous" Antiochians (you know ? the ones on > >the > >website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould), > > > >Um, Stephen Jay Gould is dead. > > > >- Hope '92 > > > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at > >http://www.aol.com. > >_______________________________________________ > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://newlivehotmail.com > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dawn Scribner > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:00:23 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] contacts > Ilse, > > > Did you want someone from the communications group to take this on or, would > you like to contact this woman yourself? Sounds like a promising > connection, particularly given the fact that Moore is out on the talk show > circuit promoting his movie right now. > > Feel free to contact me off line if you'd like to discuss further. > > In Solidarity, > > Dawn Scribner '83 > dawn@mediawonk.com > > > On 7/7/07 10:25 AM, "ilse moon" wrote: > > > Has anyone tried to get in touch with Michael Moore beyond the one letter > > written to him earlier by a contact Callie has? > > > > There is a librarian, Ann Sparanese sparanese@yahoo.com, 201-568-2215 xtn > > 229, who helped him get Stupid White Men out to the public. Here is some > > information about her from Library Journal.com. The full article tells much > > more about the issues she is involved with and if you look her up on Google, > > there is plenty of information. I don't know how much she knows about > > Antioch, but it certainly is her sort of place. I have heard that she is > > still in close touch with Michael Moore. Perhaps she will help us. I don't > > know her personally although we may have met once or twice at library > > conferences. I'm sure, though, I have friends who do know her fairly well. > > Does anyone think this would be helpful? > > Ilse Moon '53 > > > > from www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA281662.html > > > > "Sparanese doesn't just believe in "diversity" and the "education for > > democracy" function of libraries. She has won grants to build collections in > > Hispanic studies, African American studies, and Jazz, Blues and World Music; > > another grant she wrote funded additional library services to the > > Spanish-speaking citizenry. > > > > Now a vice president for organizing in the Bergen County Central Trades & > > Labor Council, she considers this extracurricular union participation among > > the most satisfying aspects of a life devoted to social activism. She has also > > worked with Cuban librarians to protest the U.S. embargo of Cuba and is active > > in a local antiwar committee. > > > > You may know Sparanese's name because Michael Moore says she saved his book, > > Stupid White Men, which his publisher refused to release because it was > > critical of George W. Bush. The publisher disputes that this is the reason the > > book was finally distributed, but when Sparanese raised the alarm, librarians > > swamped the company with complaints and orders. Sparanese sees this as proof > > that librarians can fight back?and win?against the squashing of dissent. > > > > She thinks librarians' commitment to free expression is needed now above all, > > because the USA PATRIOT Act has "put libraries in the crosshairs of its new > > homeland security policies. It is clearly a time?for small and large acts of > > resistance to the erosion of our rights." > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > To: ccary60@gmail.com, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org, alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:13:54 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] donation to college revival fund > Hi, Callie, I want to send a donation, but I'm a little confused by > the info in your e-mail below: > > >If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival > Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia > Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account > no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > > There are two addresses here. What's the Lakewood, Colorado, address > for? And U.S. Bank: is that a bank in Yellow Springs? And what about > Alan Benard's point about the problem of tax-deductibility? Is there > a lawyer's opinion on this? > > P.S. I'm posting this to the lists as well in case others have > similar questions. > > SJR, C'65 > -- > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > ******************* > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > To: Alumni Chat List , saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:42:34 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political > correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. > > This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to > hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is > pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left > poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too > seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term > got taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay > activists, and others who thought that changing the language would > change people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can > or should be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. > Sapir-Whorf theory, strong and weak versions.) I began to find that > some of my more politically aware students thought that "political > correctness" was something to defend. > > But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One > could easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" > terms: "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why > hasn't the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? > > Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" > to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the > Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they > don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC > than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how > to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. > > SJR, C'65 > -- > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > ******************* > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ann Frye > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:56:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally assume > the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, women, civil > rights, etc. Ann Frye > > > This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political > > correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. > > > > This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to > > hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is > > pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left > > poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too > > seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term got > > taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay activists, > > and others who thought that changing the language would change > > people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can or should > > be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. Sapir-Whorf theory, > > strong and weak versions.) I began to find that some of my more > > politically aware students thought that "political correctness" was > > something to defend. > > > > But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One could > > easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" terms: > > "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why hasn't > > the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? > > > > Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" > > to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the > > Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they > > don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC > > than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how > > to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. > > > > SJR, C'65 > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:17:48 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > Thanks, Ann, that's exactly the problem. I doubt very strongly that > people on this list who use that term are putting down affirmative > action, women, civil rights, etc. But as Thelma very passionately > explained, thinking that there is only one correct way to be > political is what the problem is. One can defend affirmative action, > say, in a way that is useful or in a way that antagonizes those who > don't already agree with you, or even those who do agree with you, > but don't agree with your particular tactics. > > >Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally > >assume the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, > >women, civil rights, etc. Ann Frye > > > > -- > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > ******************* > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:21:03 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant > Thelma, I sent my post re PC before I read your long, very useful > post, in which you made very clear what you meant by PC. I certainly > remember Bob Devine's opposition to the Antioch Independence Fund's > proposal to change the name of the institution back to Antioch > College, get rid of the University bureaucracy, and treat the other > campuses as branches of the college. I was surprised to see him so > adamantly lobbying for what we were asking for 10 years ago. I also > remember the mannekin incident, read all the posts on the chat list > at the time -- but had forgotten Devine's role and that he was > president (acting?) at the time. > > I'm leaving your description of that incident below for those who may > not have read down that far. It's important to remember this > incident, which, as far as I'm concerned, was worse for Antioch's > reputation that the SOPP. Yes, I think most people the people taking > the time to read even some of these posts want to save Antioch. But > we have to understand what went wrong in the past (history!) in order > to not repeat the mistakes of the past. I'm not looking to heap blame > on anyone -- I just want to know how we got to this horrible state. > > >Bob Devine was tapped by Guskin to manage Antioch College, and was > >given too much free rein. When he went overboard in his attempt to > >be popular with the students, Guskin did not rein him in. Perhaps > >he tried and failed. I don't know what went on between them. But > >Bob engaged in a lot of very self-indulgent excesses that hurt the > >school. For example, and I'm sure anyone patient enough to read > >this far will groan loudly, the manikin incident. I am a POC. The > >manikin incident was not a racist threat, as far as I am concerned. > >I am bewildered what makes it so in the Antioch community's eyes. I > >have described it to a wide variety of people to see if they can see > >something I am missing. NO ONE sees it as a racist incident. What > >I think happened was Bob riled up a cadre of students to see a > >bogeyman where there was none. Then he stepped forward to take > >leadership in protecting them. In the process, he expelled four > >students whose only sin--as far as I can figure out--was engaging in > >a poorly-thought-out prank while their consciousnesses (there's that > >word again) were...shall we say...altered. Not something unusual at > >Antioch (the altered consciousness, that is, nor the pranks). > >Expulsion is a very extreme way to deal with this situation. It was > >used very, very rarely in the Antioch I attended. I doubt very much > >they would have been expelled by any of the presidents in charge > >when I was a student. But in doing so, and in pumping it up into a > >full-blown KKK attack, Bob manipulated some students and riled up > >the entire campus, and the end result was more political (on-campus, > >that is) capital for himself. This was not only unethical vis a vis > >the students in the College's care but damaging to the College's > >reputation (and another cause for people seeing it as a "joke"). > >But it was also damaging to the rest of us POCs who actually DO face > >racist attacks (unlike Bob, I would point out), whose lives actually > >ARE threatened by racially motivated violence, because it lessens > >the likelihood that anyone will take them seriously when real > >attacks do occur. > > > >It also was a lousy lesson for the POCs on campus. There is plenty > >of racism in the world without producing a generation who sees it > >hanging from every tree. Propped on a bicycle, no less. With a > >nonsensical placard across its chest. Bob knows nothing about > >racism. Hello? Bob does not know SHIT about racism. What he DOES > >know is that "fighting racism" is a very, VERY easy way to appear > >PC. And he hurts the very people he is ostensibly "protecting". > >(By the way, Bob, we don't need your paternalistic protection. > >We're fully capable of defending ourselves, thank you very much.) > >The presumptiousness on Bob's part makes my ears smoke. > > > >You ask what I mean by PC? This is out-PCing in action. This is > >not about Nike shoes. A community divided, Antioch with yet another > >stupid-ass fucked-up mess of negative press, and four students > >traumatized by an expulsion they did not deserve. Out-PCing for > >Bob's personal gain. Unethical in the extreme. He should have been > >fired. He told me in a private post on this subject that the > >students were told they could return if they took an anti-racism > >workshop. What FOOL would walk into that tinderbox under those > >conditions? And what FOR? It was a trumped up incident to further > >solidify Bob's popularity with the students, thus ensuring this job > >security. Give me a friggin break. That was an abuse of power, in > >the extreme, and it hurt Antioch a LOT. > > > >I have been told by former students that during Bob's tenure as > >college president, he was very divisive re the faculty. One camp > >wanted the school to focus more on "extremist leftist politics", and > >Bob led the charge. The other camp wanted desperately to get back > >to beefing up the academic program, which it sorely needs. Guess > >which camp won? Which one has been vocal on this Chat, and which > >has been silent? > > > >The end result of all this silliness is that the BoT, alarmed at > >sliding standards, steps in and mandates a curriculum change to try > >to take control of an out-of-control situation. I've said all this > >before. YES, the BoT's decision was harmful (and, in my opinion, > >extremely ill-advised). Did they create the situation they were > >trying to contain? No. Bob did. Yes, I hold Bob responsible for > >what he did with the students and faculty while he was interim > >president. To castigate the BoT for something they had no control > >over is ludicrous. And WRONG. > > > >Why did Bob do this? You'll have to ask him. I think he has a deep > >need for approval and an even deeper need for power. Is it right to > >use your position of power over people half your age in an attempt > >to garner even more power? It's unethical. And Bob should have > >been fired. He still obviously has a lot of power on that campus. > >And on this chat. Why people hang on his every word is beyond me. > >Why they take his translation of the history of this problem is > >equally mystifying. Bob seems to think that Antioch College is his > >personal property. It's not. It never was and it never will be. > >That's the meaning of community. He's one of many. But he has a > >lot more social power than a lot of people, and that is wrong. To > >complain about AU stripping Antioch College of its community > >governance, as he has done repeatedly on this chat, having so > >outrageously abused his power within the community itself is too > >much for this Antiochian. > > > > -- > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > ******************* > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Imabused@aol.com > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:09:37 EDT > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > Hi all, > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have been > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of creating a > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > coordinator. > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to make this > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think that > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of persons > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right thing > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni - > then I am not so confident. > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to communicate > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who are > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet it > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. With a > coordinator. > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in coordination or > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to put our > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and affirm > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily > access. > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > Jane Slater > Class of '80 > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "J. Greg Williams" > To: > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:27:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > Hi Jane, > > We have lots of different people coordinating the various aspects of > this effort. > > We created a domain http://antiochians.org that is attempting to > bring all the pieces together. It needs some work I admit but it is > rapidly gaining traction. The best efforts right now are to try and > get people working together in smaller groups through the http:// > chapters.antiochians.org site. There information is passed up and > down and around. We are also collecting skills so that we can ask > for help in certain areas when we need it. I would encourage you to > head there. There is also a new forum effort setup http:// > antiochians.org/forum > > I'm one of the few people in Florida I believe but by saying so I'm > hoping a ton of people nearby can contact me and we'll start our own > chapter. :) > > If you have any particular areas you are interested in helping out on > make it known and I'll try and point you in the best direction. > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) > > > On Jul 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs > > have been > > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > > creating a > > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > > coordinator. > > > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that > > process > > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able > > to make this > > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I > > think that > > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are > > going to > > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group > > of persons > > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do > > the right thing > > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and > > alumni - > > then I am not so confident. > > > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > > communicate > > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, > > or who are > > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the > > internet it > > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration > > going. With a > > coordinator. > > > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > > coordination or > > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse > > group to put our > > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully > > acknowledge and affirm > > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can > > easily > > access. > > > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly > > feelings of > > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > > > Jane Slater > > Class of '80 > > > > > > ************************************** > > See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alicson > To: "Alumni Chat List" > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:51:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > Hi Jane, > > thanks for voicing these concerns. > > Coordination and structure has been a stumbling block, but one that many of > us have been actively tackling and I think it's coming together. > The website http://antiochians.org will be improved and and > further-organized over time, but even now it's a valuable one-stop resource > for contact information, news, and general information about the existing > coordination efforts. > > We have a number of leaders who have stepped up in the midst of all of this, > both at the reunion in Yellow Springs and continuing very actively, > communicating online via various mailing lists, and other online tools. > There have been some very productive gatherings held by various Alumni > Association Chapters (http://chapters.antiochians.org), and everyone is > encouraged to get in touch with your local chapter or see about forming one. > There are concentrated efforts to include the stories and input of faculty, > students, and alumni, and those efforts should be visible on Antiochians.org. > Again, contact information (http://antiochians.org/contacts/) is available > on the site and anyone interested in taking an active role with any of those > committees is invited to contact the appropriate point-persons (or any of > us, and we can help redirect you). Also on the site, we'll be posting > regular reports as to the accomplishments and plans of the various teams and > chapters involved in the mission to save Antioch. > Regarding the need for a forum, we felt the very same way, and > http://antiochians.org/forum is the result of that feeling. > > ...and I see Greg has just covered all of this. > thanks Greg :) > > Best regards to all, > ~Alicson > > > > > > On 7/8/07, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have > > been > > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > > creating a > > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > > coordinator. > > > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process > > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to > > make this > > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think > > that > > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to > > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of > > persons > > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right > > thing > > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni > > - > > then I am not so confident. > > > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > > communicate > > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who > > are > > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet > > it > > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. > > With a > > coordinator. > > > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > > coordination or > > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to > > put our > > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and > > affirm > > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily > > access. > > > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of > > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > > > Jane Slater > > Class of '80 > > > > > > ************************************** > > See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sistersara@aol.com > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:06:38 EDT > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alanbernard on ACAA > > > In a message dated 7/8/2007 3:02:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > alanbenard@comcast.net writes: > > I believe it is absolutely necessary in the interest of transparency for the > ACAA leadership to explain: > > * Steps to organize as a private, non-profit association in the State of Ohio > * Steps to create legal barriers to challenges to the Revival Fund's > independence from AU > * An explanation of what kind of organization is in formation, if any -- a > 501(c)3 or a foundation > * An explanation of how Revival funds entrusted to a third party would be > legally protected, how much overhead would be charged for the administration of > the fund, how donations would be tax-deductible, and the mechanism by which > those funds would be returned to the control of the ACAA for disposition to a > separated AC and what their disposition would be if AC is never re-opened > and/or not separated. > > I expect no clear answers. > > Alan Benard > > > > Totally second this position. If indeed ACAA is incorporated as a > non-profit in the state of Ohio, the Sec of State or the ACAA board ought to be able > to post the official charter, including the dates when the charter was filed > and all. I would point out that if something was done in 1969 as someone > suggested, that was 1) before the University was created, and 2) an entirely > different group of board members. I doubt if a 1969 mission statement would in > any way be adequate at this point. My own memory has it that in 1969 the > question was whether there would be one big Alumni Association for everyone, or > whether College alumns wanted to retain their older and informal organization. > That is hardly the issue today. > > What is needed now, for fully understandable legal reasons, is a formal > voted resolution to incorporate for purposes of the new mission, with a formal > vote by the ACAA Board as it currently stands as an alumni elected entities. > This would be followed by the officers filing paperwork with Ohio's Secretary > of State. The Sec of State will give you a fancy piece of paper called a > "CHARTER" once you file, and that is preliminary to doing the rest of what's > necessary to file your 501 or other category of tax exempt class available to > the now properly chartered ACAA. > > I would respectfully point out to the Alumni Board that we do have empirical > evidence available as to how Alumni feel about some sort of switch being > pulled, and suddenly finding that funds intended for the College have suddenly > been changed into University funds. During AIF about 1.2 million was > contributed to the fund, and in the end only 160 thousand had Antioch University as > secondary designee. You may not clearly understand all the legal matters > involved here yet, but I can assure the current ACAA board you have a moral > obligation to assure any donor that they have a choice to prevent any money they > donate being used for a purpose they do not intend. The only way you can do > this is to clean up the incorporation matter, and post clearly all decisions > of the board. > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > To: > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:37:57 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia > Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what > went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that > are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and > continues to provide to students of the college. > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why > a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though > I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to > point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all > different types of people would be interested. A great educational > environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing > multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There > was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite > interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He > added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine > and I'm really glad he was around to express them. > > What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you > guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be > fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as > "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last > number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person > refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the > renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under > the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of > development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know > who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the > number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting > mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the > college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college > fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is > sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and > more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 > reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the > disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were > many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate > money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two > were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was > during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a > consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a > small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate > Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time > for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to > be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks > attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to > donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket > science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of > college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making > sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? > Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of > the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think > not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside > of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other > than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a > factor in her employment? > > I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible > in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions > of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very > cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) > enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms > and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student > or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the > privacy of a dorm room. > > Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years > at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few > things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors > who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob > Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one > friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and > I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really > slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who > exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who > went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor > who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No > exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the > rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that > happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved > that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule > (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. > > Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of > this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many > times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza > parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and > professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I > saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college > would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student > that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. > > Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry > and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with > before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of > statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in > your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a > smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of > Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I > think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and > I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if > Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. > Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither > would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been > involved with the college. > > Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if > there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing > together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that > Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I > believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned > that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a > truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and > legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as > has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two > supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the > armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent > student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then > picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I > believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." > I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was > really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it > all. What a waste of time. > > I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking > that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and > thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike > incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. > > Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. > Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you > afraid of what you might find? > > Debra '83 > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From kim.jurriaans at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 03:50:16 2007 From: kim.jurriaans at gmail.com (Kim-Jenna Jurriaans) Date: Mon Jul 9 04:02:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 In-Reply-To: <20070709074651.1CBBB606CA99@w3.antioch.edu> References: <20070709074651.1CBBB606CA99@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <43919c750707090050h74a1ec16x508953d8112ce1f8@mail.gmail.com> PS: the last part was a joke btw... I'm a Burger King kinda gal. Now can we get back on track please. On 7/9/07, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: > Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (Dawn Scribner) > 2. Updates! (beth) > 3. Don't just complain, get involved (Matthew Baya) > 4. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (J. Greg Williams) > 5. Stop the Slander! (jredhead) > 6. Stop the Slander! (Bonnie Bazata) > 7. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (Matthew Baya) > 8. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) > 9. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) > 10. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (TheBangaloreBlue) > 11. Re: Long response, slightly relevant (J. Greg Williams) > 12. Re: Don't just complain, get involved (Jonah Liebert) > 13. Re: Don't just complain, get involved (Alicson) > 14. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and > Other Problems (Kim-Jenna Jurriaans) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dawn Scribner > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:16:15 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > > I'm sick of the personal attacks on this list and this one is especially > offensive. There were several professors who had relationships with > students at Antioch during the 80's (and probably the 60's and 70's for that > matter,) and more then one resulted in marriage. Appropriate? Probably not. > Relevant to how we keep the college open today? ABSOLUTELY not. > > > > > On 7/8/07 7:37 PM, "GoodmanD@gtlaw.com" wrote: > > > I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia > > Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what > > went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that > > are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and > > continues to provide to students of the college. > > > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore > > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > > happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > > discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why > > a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though > > I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to > > point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all > > different types of people would be interested. A great educational > > environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing > > multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There > > was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite > > interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He > > added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine > > and I'm really glad he was around to express them. > > > > What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you > > guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be > > fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as > > "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last > > number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person > > refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the > > renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under > > the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of > > development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know > > who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the > > number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting > > mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the > > college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college > > fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > > educational institution. > > > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary > > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is > > sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and > > more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 > > reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the > > disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were > > many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate > > money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two > > were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was > > during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a > > consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a > > small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate > > Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time > > for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to > > be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks > > attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to > > donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket > > science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of > > college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making > > sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? > > Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of > > the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think > > not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside > > of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other > > than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a > > factor in her employment? > > > > I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible > > in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions > > of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very > > cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) > > enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms > > and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student > > or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the > > privacy of a dorm room. > > > > Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years > > at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few > > things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors > > who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob > > Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one > > friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and > > I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really > > slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who > > exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who > > went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor > > who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No > > exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the > > rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that > > happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved > > that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule > > (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. > > > > Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of > > this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many > > times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza > > parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and > > professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing > > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > > absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I > > saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college > > would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student > > that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. > > > > Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry > > and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with > > before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of > > statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in > > your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a > > smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of > > Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I > > think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and > > I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if > > Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. > > Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither > > would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been > > involved with the college. > > > > Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if > > there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing > > together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that > > Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I > > believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned > > that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a > > truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and > > legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as > > has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two > > supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the > > armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent > > student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then > > picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I > > believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." > > I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was > > really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it > > all. What a waste of time. > > > > I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking > > that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and > > thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike > > incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no > > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > > into. > > > > Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. > > Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you > > afraid of what you might find? > > > > Debra '83 > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by > > the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice > > contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise > > specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be > > used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue > > Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters > > addressed herein. > > > > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and > > confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) > > named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > > that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this > > communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > > please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the > > original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an > > email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: beth > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:22:57 -0500 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Updates! > please check > http://antiochians.org/news > for updates on work happening > that may not be immediately apparent... > > in cahoots > beth'00 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Matthew Baya > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved > Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that > the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't > heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal > plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture > & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of > everyones time. We all have our heroes and villains in our own > personal 'Antioch Adventure'. But that was then, this is now. It's > one thing to look at our history but it's another to keep pointing at > it and saying 'BAD ANTIOCH! NO DONUT'. I guess my point is, point out > past problems sure.. but then how about brainstorming how can we work > to help the campus to start to move in a direction where it can reach > it's full potential? This was one of my mantras when i was a student, > "Don't just complain, get involved". Hate the caf food? Join CafCil. > Hate the dorms? Join HAB? Don't like the current CMs? Run for office. > > If the doors close on 7/1/08 then we'll have plenty of time to dig > out every little factoid & dark rumor because any semblance of the > Antioch we knew, good or bad, will be gone and the new shiny 'Antioch > University Yellow Springs' will appear several years later. I'd > rather focus on getting Antioch College 07/01/08 and beyond to be an > amazing, dynamic and exciting place that I'm proud to be associated > with. I've been waiting for years to feel this way about Antioch > again and now that alumni are taking the lead in helping not only > raise money to 'save antioch' but also brainstorming on what it's > going to take to keep it open I'm very excited to be involved. Join > me on http://antiochians.org/ > > -Matt '92 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "J. Greg Williams" > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:03:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > Hello Debra, > > I have some responses for you. > > > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > > ignore > > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > > happening. > > What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been > entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the > College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, > whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > > > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > > discussion. > > It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > > > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > > educational institution. > > Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As > the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > > Cary > > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > > I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to > someone about your pent up feelings. > > > > Also, allowing > > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > > absolutely unthinkable. > > Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president > and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and > cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been > expressed on this. > > > > Is Antioch all style and no > > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > > into. > > Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people > that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if > only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest > of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him > because he does good work. > > Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, > you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the > most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their > home and their intelligence. > > You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by > somebody more professional than this online confessional. > > I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I > for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to > make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a > part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > > Sincerely, > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "jredhead" > To: > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:10:15 -0600 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Stop the Slander! > I wasn't on campus at the time the accusations about Bob Devine in previous > alumni posts were happening. When I was on campus, I think he was the music > professor, and I never took any music courses, so I didn't know him. > > What I do know is that I am horrified by the accusations I just read. But I > am old enough now to know slander when I see it. > > ***STOP THE INFIGHTING AND SLANDER, MY FELLOW ANTIOCHIANS!*** > > Focus on saving Antioch! Don't spend your time slandering Bob Devine. I've > heard it said that the CIA undercover agents can go in, pretend to be part > of an leftist organization, and waste it to death by starting bickering and > infighting. It seems to me that this is what I am seeing on the chat list. > I certainly hope there aren't CIA operatives amongst us. I have seen > organizations destroyed by infighting and bickering and both sides acting > shocked and claiming the other side is being politically incorrect. > > We are Antiochians. I implore you all to get out there and do something > about stopping Antioch from closing instead of bickering and infighting. > > Bob's replies to this chatlist have seemed reasonable and moderate to me. > The fact that he still takes time to reply to this chat list says to me that > he is concerned about Alumni. If I was still on campus, I might see it > differently. But I graduated a long time ago, and I have grown up enough to > know when to stop slinging mud and gossip. I hope you all will too. > > Jeanne Papish '81 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Bonnie Bazata" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:33:08 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Stop the Slander! > I can not believe that the conversation has broken down to this level > of personal attacks. I've enjoyed reading many of the creative ideas, > insightful remarks and robust dialogue, often on points of > disagreement -- and I've really appreciated the posting of the > articles from around the country -- but there is more and more > negativity seeping in, and this latest attack was disgusting. > > I'm moving over to www.antiochians.org. The site is now very well > organized and structured around topics and committees that are meant > to move the process ahead constructively. My time is too precious and > my resources too stretched so I'm going to stay focused on the agenda > and conversation about keeping our College open. > > Bonnie Bazata '83 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Matthew Baya > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:36:42 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > I just realized what I should have posted as a response to this and > all other notes that contain nasty comments and the like; > > "Antioch College is a community dedicated to the search for truth, > the development of individual potential, and the pursuit of social > justice. In order to fulfill our objectives, freedom must be matched > by responsibility. As a member of the Antioch Community, I affirm > that I will be honest and respectful in all my relationships, and I > will advance these standards of behavior in others." > > -Antioch College Honor Code > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > To: > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:45:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the college. I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew since I don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at the problems in hopes of fixing them. > > I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, other philanthropists. What plan will we present? > > Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such feelings for people you care about. > > Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree with him. Brainwashing anyone? > > Deb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > To: Alumni Chat List > Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > > Hello Debra, > > I have some responses for you. > > > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > > ignore > > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > > happening. > > What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been > entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the > College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, > whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > > > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > > discussion. > > It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > > > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > > educational institution. > > Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As > the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > > Cary > > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > > I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to > someone about your pent up feelings. > > > > Also, allowing > > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > > absolutely unthinkable. > > Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president > and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and > cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been > expressed on this. > > > > Is Antioch all style and no > > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > > into. > > Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people > that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if > only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest > of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him > because he does good work. > > Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, > you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the > most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their > home and their intelligence. > > You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by > somebody more professional than this online confessional. > > I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I > for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to > make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a > part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > > Sincerely, > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > To: > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:47:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > Wish we could make that happen. I'm all for it. > > Deb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > To: Alumni Chat List > Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:36:42 2007 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > > I just realized what I should have posted as a response to this and > all other notes that contain nasty comments and the like; > > "Antioch College is a community dedicated to the search for truth, > the development of individual potential, and the pursuit of social > justice. In order to fulfill our objectives, freedom must be matched > by responsibility. As a member of the Antioch Community, I affirm > that I will be honest and respectful in all my relationships, and I > will advance these standards of behavior in others." > > -Antioch College Honor Code > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: TheBangaloreBlue > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:49:57 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > In typical Antioch fashion, this conversation has gotten kinda crazy, with all sides holding some degree of truth. > > I'm confused - is there no place for people who support the TEMPORARY pause of the college in order to stay open? Regardless of how I feel about the topic, I think those agreeing with the Board's decision to TEMPORARILY pause the college's operations should be able to have their voice heard without the threat of being attacked AND should be able to be part of the "SAVE ANTIOCH" movement. > > I feel that the "you agree with us or we have no space for you here" attitude leads people into believing that the current culture of Antioch is toxic. > > I yearn for the place that a pro-life, evangelical Christian woman would want to attend antioch. Unfortunately, with attitudes that are being displayed on this email group, I think that Antioch cannot remain a viable institution. > > Lets fight and work together to keep Antioch open. If that means to TEMPORARILY PAUSE operations, so be it. > > > > "J. Greg Williams" wrote: > Hello Debra, > > I have some responses for you. > > > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > > ignore > > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > > happening. > > What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been > entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the > College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, > whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > > > Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > > discussion. > > It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > > > Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > > educational institution. > > Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As > the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > > Cary > > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > > I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to > someone about your pent up feelings. > > > > Also, allowing > > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > > absolutely unthinkable. > > Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president > and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and > cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been > expressed on this. > > > > Is Antioch all style and no > > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > > into. > > Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people > that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if > only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest > of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him > because he does good work. > > Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, > you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the > most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their > home and their intelligence. > > You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by > somebody more professional than this online confessional. > > I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I > for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to > make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a > part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > > Sincerely, > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "J. Greg Williams" > To: Alumni Chat List > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:34:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant > Hello Thelma, > > I see you have a very specific incident in mind that has upset you > greatly. > > We can slice back in time however we like to try and find the "real" > cause of the problems. My personal favorite being Guskin creating > the position of Chancellor for himself and moving the role to > Seattle. None of these events properly identified will make a bit of > difference if the college is allowed to close. I know there is a > group of people who wish for it to close so that all it's bad > cultural elements can be purged. I do not agree with this. I think > the incredible loss far outweighs any perceived advantages of > cultural reset. > > > I've been answering private posts to my message to the chat for > > over eight hours so please forgive me if I am not the most tactful-- > > something I'm not known to be, anyhow. > > You might want to work on that, if you wish to be taken seriously. > > > Agreed. Some of us think raising money is most important right now > > and others think we need to get to the bottom of the problems > > first. I'm in the second camp. > > What bottom are you trying to get to? And how will you know when > you've reached it? > > > > The rest of this snip doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry. > > What I was saying was, just because you don't like something and > denigrate it openly, doesn't make you correct. And I still don't > like being insulted which you didn't acknowledge. If you'd like to > continue having a civil conversation with me I would prefer it if you > didn't insinuate that I am a trench-coat wearing pervert. > > > > The decision to close the school was arrived at through a long > > process pre-dating the curriculum change and the fiscal crisis it > > created, and it's amazing it's lasted this long, given everything > > that has been going on there. > > What do you mean by this? Do you have some special knowledge of the > long term plans of the University to close the College? > > > > If you want a good old Anglo-Saxon word, it is about BULLYING. Not > > unique to Antioch, but way out of control there at the moment. And > > it runs throughout the school, including in the faculty. NOT > > acceptable, Greg. NOT acceptable. I don't care what fancy > > language it is couched in, BULLYING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. > > I believe that yelling at people (IN ALL CAPS!) and belittling > opinions that differ from yours along with awful insinuations and > insults is considered bullying. If you truly concerned about such > things, you need to examine your own behavior closely. > > > > > lot and I don't believe it is valid. > > > > PC is short for political correctness, as you already know, I am > > sure. Political correctness refers to a set of values and > > assumptions that are acceptable. If someone or something is not > > PC, it is not socially acceptable. The term does not necessarily > > indicate true political engagement or political sophistication or > > political savvy. It is a form of censorship--of thought, language, > > and behavior. It is ana anathema to progressive politics and > > consensus-building. It's also incredibly self-destructive, self- > > deluding, and indicates a CLOSED society--closed in every sense of > > the word. NOT Antioch. NOT Antiochian. > > When you throw that term at people you are using it as it's > intended. A pejorative. Thus complex ideas can be wrapped with the > label of PC and then immediately derided and discarded. I argue that > the term is meaningless. > > > > It's just juvenile. It also indicates a pretty serious > > misunderstanding of globalization. > > Each conflict is an opportunity to learn or in some cases re-learn > what is truly important. I used the Nike example because it is a > favorite story told by the current president. You may not think it's > a valid concern, which is fine, but your marginalizing those that do > (because you don't) is your own personal hegemony. If you truly > believe it's a serious misunderstanding of globalization, then that > is your opportunity to engage in civil debate. The end result is we > all become wiser. > > > > Nice idea--haven't read that post--give me a student and I'd be > > happy to "mentor" him or her. The problems will remain, however. > > We still need to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps mentoring is > > an important component in changing the campus culture. But we > > still need to identify the underlying problems. > > Your putting mentor in quotes scares me. As does your constant > anger and need to get to the bottom of something that unless we all > come together in the next year will be moot. Again I ask you, what > bottom are you hoping to find? A very small minority of people of > which you and Debra seem to be a part of, have become very vocal and > have pretty much caused most conversations on this list to come to a > halt. I would argue that your constant need to dig up some more dirt > for your own self satisfaction, does not in anyway help prevent this > College from being closed in a year. > > > > No. Others have. English is a great language, but not always as > > specific as I would like. And we are talking on a public chat. So > > there is you, singular, and there is you, plural. I am going back > > and forth here because this is a public forum. By definition, > > since my post was to the Chat and not a private one to you, I am > > using both forms of second person. > > I think you need to stop speaking to the collective you and focus on > speaking to the person who is talking to you. Lest you get confused > and go off on another tirade. You used my name specifically many > times, Thelma, and thus I respond. > > > It is a worthwhile goal if we can identify and address the > > underlying problems, Greg. How many times do I have to say this? > > Okay now that you've identified them, now what are you going to do? > What are you Thelma, going to do to ensure that the College doesn't > close? > > > > < Just because a very bright 20 year old thinks Antioch is a joke > > doesn't make it so. > > > > This is the population you have to convince. This is your polity. > > Something that's very difficult to do when you are constantly telling > people that it's a joke and deteriorating and that we've given up > reason in pursuit of being PC. > > > > Stop following Bob mindlessly. (And I'm not saying that to you, > > Greg, but to YOU, sweet persons who have read this far.) > > You seem to believe that only people who think like you have > intelligence and that if someone actually likes someone you don't > then they must be mindless. I conclude your rationality is suspect. > > > > I would like to see provisions in this new planned Antioch that > > will prevent the kind of power-grab and controlling of an entire > > community that has happened under Bob Devine. > > You seem to be missing the source of power here. The College is > being closed, there will be no Antioch College after that. The > University's plans have been in motion for a while now and they don't > include input from you, me or anyone else at the College. > > > You don't have to convince us that Antioch is worth saving. You DO > > need to figure out which Antioch you are fighting to save. If it > > is the PC/dysfunctional school, nothing you can do will convince > > many. But if it is the Antioch of high standards and integrity, I > > don't think you need to convince ANY of us of this, Greg. We are > > ALL united in that. > > I am not aware that there are two Antioch Colleges. I do know that > if we don't stop complaining about every perceived injustice there > will be only one Antioch College closed June of 2008 and that will be > the saddest day. > > > > > of the College even when presented with the facts. Taken from my > > archives of the Alumni-chat list: > > > > I'm sorry but the so-called "facts" have not been in the open. > > These are not things you are going to find in your beloved > > statistics, Greg. The only way this will come out in the open is > > if someone is willing to be the nasty troll and bring them up. So > > I am taking on that role. > > And thus the truth does come out. Your a troll. http:// > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 > > > I am SCREAMING for such a place to be created and for community > > discussions to get started, post haste, if they haven't already. > > http://antiochians.org > Your screaming isn't making anyone feel safer let me assure you and > like Debra, I recommend you seek professional help. > > > > And honesty and TRUE democratic interaction are essential. > > Agreed. > > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM 95-96) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jonah Liebert" > To: "Alumni Chat List" > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:05:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved > On 7/9/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > >Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that > the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't > heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal > plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture > & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of > everyones time. > > Matt, I generally appreciate your posts, but I have to respectfully disagree > with you here. I think the heart of the problem is that in order for all us > to "just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and 'new Antioch' needs > to be different," we would first need to define how the old Antioch wasn't > perfect and how the 'new Antioch' needs to be different. This seems > integral to me to "saving Antioch," but there are many here who will simply > not tolerate such a discussion. "Saving Antioch" has come to mean that not > a single question or criticism can be uttered against the old Antioch, which > I believe most of us would agree had problems, except regarding > University-College governance relations. So if we agree Antioch had > problems and that the new Antioch needs to be different to stay alive, why > can't we talk about fixing the problems? > > BTW, I think you and whoever else put together www.antiochians.org did a > remarkable job. Congratulations! I will switch to that site for now on. > > Jonah Liebert '03 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alicson > To: "Alumni Chat List" > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:23:29 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved > Thank you Matt. > I couldn't agree more. > > And actually I'm not sure now that an invitation went out to this particular > alumni-chat mailing list (so many mailing lists) regarding the Forum at > Antiochians.org (http://antiochians.org/forum). If it did, then I've just > repeated the invitation. Either way, you are all welcome and encouraged to > bring your questions/ideas/discussions there. > > Just saw Jonah's email.. That's a very fair point, about needing to > recognize past problems in order to improve them. However, I think that > part of Matt's point is that rather than dwelling on and complaining about > Antioch's flaws (and yes, it has flaws!!), and using those as reasons to not > do anything to save it, we are deciding it is worth saving, and working on > ways to do that AND, in that light, will examine ways to fix old > problems/make the college sustainable and brilliant as we (I certainly do) > believe it intends to be and can be. > > Best regards to all, and hope to see you on the Forum, > ~Alicson > > > > On 7/9/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > > > Can we all just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and that > > the 'new Antioch' needs to be different to stay alive? I haven't > > heard anyone, including Bob, say that they felt Antioch 'pre-renewal > > plan' was a paradise so nitpicking various examples of campus culture > > & events (& dirty laundry) from the past decades is a waste of > > everyones time. We all have our heroes and villains in our own > > personal 'Antioch Adventure'. But that was then, this is now. It's > > one thing to look at our history but it's another to keep pointing at > > it and saying 'BAD ANTIOCH! NO DONUT'. I guess my point is, point out > > past problems sure.. but then how about brainstorming how can we work > > to help the campus to start to move in a direction where it can reach > > it's full potential? This was one of my mantras when i was a student, > > "Don't just complain, get involved". Hate the caf food? Join CafCil. > > Hate the dorms? Join HAB? Don't like the current CMs? Run for office. > > > > If the doors close on 7/1/08 then we'll have plenty of time to dig > > out every little factoid & dark rumor because any semblance of the > > Antioch we knew, good or bad, will be gone and the new shiny 'Antioch > > University Yellow Springs' will appear several years later. I'd > > rather focus on getting Antioch College 07/01/08 and beyond to be an > > amazing, dynamic and exciting place that I'm proud to be associated > > with. I've been waiting for years to feel this way about Antioch > > again and now that alumni are taking the lead in helping not only > > raise money to 'save antioch' but also brainstorming on what it's > > going to take to keep it open I'm very excited to be involved. Join > > me on http://antiochians.org/ > > > > -Matt '92 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Kim-Jenna Jurriaans" > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:34:08 -0400 > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > Madam, > > As a comunity member and student journalist at Antioch college, I am > very troubled by the way you bring a faculty member's sex life into > the discussion around Saving Antioch College. > > Whether the subject be Bob Devine or any other person at the College, > this has by far been the most appaling post I have read in this forum. > To me this is very much endemic of the increasing shift of focus in > daily debates in the US today, from politics to a focus on the > personal. In that reagrd It reminds the reader all too well of a > national witch hunt conducted in 1999. The much overused term toxic > comes to mind. > > Apart from the obvious diversion from the purpose of this list, it is > sad to say at least, that whatever valid points of critique you might > have made in regard to your experiences with fundrasing efforts at > past reunions (I wasn't there), you uphold no respectability in this > domain when elaborating on personal issues of trust in the way you > chose to do. > > The inappropriateness of these remarks in a public forum geared to > save the college, and the implications that such remarks can have on > the reputation of the person in question, I will not have to explain > to you. > > One would think an Antioch Education would have taught anyone to make > their point while still leaving the opponents dignity in tact (I am > certainly trying my best here). Likewise, I urge you, as a woman > educated in critical thinking, to look further than "tales...." about > threatening students and Nike shoes as a foundation for an all > encompassing theory on the weakness of this institution. > > As a writer who has critically observed many strata of community life, > and as a straight, white, woman who shaves her legs and occasionally > wears suits to class (i'm taking the bait here for a minute), I > distance myself from the "insert popular myth here"-portrayal of the > Antioch community that you are providing. > I know that it is tempting to have an "informed oppinion" when it > concerns a place that was once your home. I for my part, however, are > becoming rather tired of diagnoses made from behind computer screens > in California, Nebraska, Wisconsin or Columbus Ohio for that matter, > by those whose participation in current community life is limited to a > bi-yearly visit to the college at best. > > It is unfortunate that Mr Lawry was greated with a brick in his office > at the beginning of the fall term '06 and I have indeed heard of one > student having to leave campus after making threatening remarks to a > woman of color in the term before I entered Antioch. Both incidents, > however, have been widely denounced and do not characterize a > community. > > May you still be sceptical about my "tales" in this post, I am more > than happy to provide you with a full medical record of the last 12 > months showing no sign of fisical abuse or mental harm, as well as any > academic work, plus receips of recent purchases at Sephora and > McDonalds, if this helps you to see that Education, personal choices > and civil dialog are still at the heart of Antioch College. > > Thank you, > > Kim-Jenna Jurriaans '08 > > > > On 7/8/07, alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > wrote: > > Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to > > alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: 30 second break....and Antioch faces! (Gerry Bello) > > 2. RE: YS News and Gateway (dl bahr) > > 3. Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions (dl bahr) > > 4. RE: Re: Gateway Report (Jeffrey Terrell) > > 5. RE: Re: Stephen Jay Gould (dl bahr) > > 6. Re: contacts (Dawn Scribner) > > 7. donation to college revival fund (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > > 8. Re: "political correctness" (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > > 9. Re: Re: "political correctness" (Ann Frye) > > 10. Re: Re: "political correctness" (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > > 11. RE: Long response, slightly relevant (Sonia Jaffe Robbins) > > 12. Coordinator? (Imabused@aol.com) > > 13. Re: Coordinator? (J. Greg Williams) > > 14. Re: Coordinator? (Alicson) > > 15. Re: Alanbernard on ACAA (Sistersara@aol.com) > > 16. Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other > > Problems (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Gerry Bello" > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:30:34 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! > > > > Dont loose heart. And stay crazy... like a fox. > > > > ---G > > > > > > "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > > that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > > stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > > prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > > carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > > ----Durruti > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Christine Smith" > > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >To: "Alumni Chat List" > > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] 30 second break....and Antioch faces! > > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:18:52 -0400 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by > > >bay0-mc2-f10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 7 > > >Jul 2007 13:18:23 -0700 > > >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu > > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 288B56069556;Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) > > >Received: from mail.mcgregor.edu (fc.antioch.edu [206.21.41.184])by > > >w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC506606953Efor > > >; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 16:31:10 -0400 (EDT) > > >X-Message-Info: > > >LsUYwwHHNt2+ldJmBX4L0Rm0iAAXkYViyWQawoWXOCQDpUU8vREMRtRILWgaRRdH > > >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 > > >References: <17DE87F0-1138-4529-B2AC-A8F656AFCC93@230volts.net> > > >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > > >Precedence: list > > >List-Id: Alumni Chat List > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > >, > > >List-Archive: > > >List-Post: > > >List-Help: > > >List-Subscribe: > > >, > > >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 20:18:23.0168 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[F7D17400:01C7C0D3] > > > > > >This slip is from an assignment I gave in my learning community, Cool. > > >Their final assignment was to market "the coolest school on earth." I had > > >this idea that if they had to produce media about how wonderful Antioch > > >is, that they might be less likely to drop out (basically, they would > > >experience cognitive dissonance--I just said all these great things about > > >Antioch, and I want to leave...am I crazy??). > > > > > >Christine > > >Psychology faculty member > > > > > > > > > > > >Alumni Chat List on Thursday, July 5, 2007 at > > >5:08 PM wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Yep, I believe it was already posted to this list too. There was a > > > >little discussion about the content. Follow the thread below for more > > > >information. > > > > > > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/pipermail/alumni-chat/2007-April/000057.html > > > > > > > >Also comments were posted here: > > > > > > > >http://antirecord.org/node/337 > > > > > > > >-Yazz D. Atlas '97 > > > > > > > >On Jul 5, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Kelly O'Keefe wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I don't know if everyone's seen this. It was done a term or two ago. > > > >> Just in case you need some faces to put with what you're planning. > > > >> > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNet5IkrAU > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "dl bahr" > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:44:14 +0000 > > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway > > Callie: > > Thanks for forwarding this article. > > Lesley A.P. Bahr, '83 > > Buffalo, MN > > > > >From: "Callie Cary" > > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >To: "Alumni Chat List" > > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS News and Gateway > > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:37:27 -0400 > > > > > >Please go to the Yellow Springs website and see this week's stories, > > >especialy the one about the Gateway Group. The last line is > > >particularly telling and also tragically predictable -- there are few > > >left with any institutional memory or understanding of the importance > > >of Antioch College in the landscape of higher education. > > > > > >Callie > > > > > >www.ysnews.com > > > > > >Article also pasted below: > > > > > >Consultants advised Antioch closure > > > > > >By Diane Chiddister > > > > > >A contributing factor in the Antioch University Board of Trustees > > >decision to suspend operations of Antioch College was the > > >distribution, at the trustees' June 9 board meeting, of a report from > > >the Gateway Consultants Group, an independent consulting group. > > > > > >The report reviewed three options for addressing the college's fiscal > > >emergency, and ultimately chose the third option, which was to close > > >the college and reopen at a later date. According to some persons > > >present who requested anonymity, the report, which they had not seen > > >before the meeting, carried considerable weight. > > > > > >Although the Gateway Group was identified in the board's June 9 > > >resolution as a "respected higher education and business consultants," > > >its principle consultant, Thomas Chema, had never before been asked to > > >determine whether a college should close. And in a recent interview > > >Chema said that for the report he was paid $3,000 plus expenses, a > > >very small fee in the world of consultants. > > > > > >"I have not done this sort of study before," he said. > > > > > >While his consulting group has been in existence since 1994, it has > > >only in the last year performed "due diligence" work for entities such > > >as businesses and colleges that are in financial distress, identifying > > >financial concerns and strategies for turnaround, Chema said. He > > >declined to say how many colleges he has counted among his clients. > > > > > >Asked this week about Chema's relative inexperience as a higher > > >education consultant, Antioch University Vice Chancellor Mary Lou > > >LaPierre stated he was chosen because he is president of Hiram > > >University, which several years ago faced a similar financial crisis > > >to that of Antioch. Chema has been credited with successfully turning > > >around that college, she said. > > > > > >Before taking the helm of Hiram College in 2004, Chema, a graduate of > > >Harvard Law School, had worked as the executive director of the > > >Gateway Economic Development Corporation of Greater Cleveland, > > >chairman of the Ohio Building Authority, and chairman of the Public > > >Utilities Commission of Ohio, among other positions. > > > > > >"He's a very sophisticated business person," LaPierre said. > > > > > >According to Chema, he and an associate, Lisa Thibodeux, were the > > >principle contributors to the Antioch University report, to which Stan > > >Hales, past president of Wooster College, also contributed. Chema > > >visited the college for a day in March, during which he spoke with > > >college employees in admissions, took a tour of physical facilities > > >and reviewed financial information, according to Chema, who said he > > >worked on the report for about a month. > > > > > >In the seven-page report, the consultants first identify Antioch > > >College's "situational overview," including the college's drop in > > >enrollment over the past few years, the need for additional funds of > > >$6 million for 2006/7 and 2007/8 to balance the budget, and the other > > >university centers' subsidy of the college for $920,000 in 2006/7. > > > > > >This section of the report states that the university's current cash > > >flow analysis shows the system "running negative" by May 2009 due to > > >significant losses at the college. > > > > > >The report also includes a "macro higher education context" which > > >states that demographers forecast 2010 as the date of the peak number > > >of 18-year-olds, after which those numbers begin to decline. It also > > >states that the number of 18-year-olds in Ohio heading for college is > > >below the national average. > > > > > >"Consequently, the local cohort of students, as well as the expected > > >national pool, in the relatively near future, presents a significant > > >challenge to growth for any small liberal arts college," the report > > >states. > > > > > >In the report's situational evaluation, the Gateway Group states that > > >the college currently accepts about 85 percent of its applicants, > > >"leaving little room for expanding student numbers through changes in > > >selectivity." > > > > > >The report also identifies the college's two-year old Renewal Plan as > > >"not sufficient to stimulate substantial prospective student growth in > > >the short term. There is clearly only a limited number of students who > > >are interested in the Antioch context and the Antioch program." > > > > > >The school's deteriorating physical plant also contributes to its > > >challenge in attracting new students, the report states. > > > > > >Three options > > > > > >The Gateway report presents three options, beginning with attempting > > >to turn the college around. Increased enrollment would have to happen > > >quickly, the report states, but it would take at least "two years of > > >consistency and excellence in the admissions program before results > > >are likely to be seen." > > > > > >The second option, discussed in a single paragraph, is that of > > >combining Antioch College with Antioch University McGregor. > > > > > >"While the merger might provide additional savings in the cost > > >structure which would buy time, this option also assumes substantial > > >increase in philanthropy to carry the college until the enrollment > > >changes resulted in substantially greater tuition revenue. We are as > > >skeptical about the success of this strategy as with just continuing > > >an incremental approach toward improvement," the report states. > > > > > >The third option, that of suspending the college's operations for > > >several years, is identified as "the one preferred at this time by the > > >university's management team." > > > > > >That option, addressed in two paragraphs, states that during the > > >suspension period, the university would have the opportunity to > > >"develop new entrepreneurial approaches to providing an Antioch > > >College experience," including the development of a "new urban village > > >on the Antioch College site." > > > > > >The suspension would also give university officials time to "identify > > >the program that a reinvented college needs to present to perspective > > >students in order to be relevant to them," and the period would allow > > >for a "cleansing of the ghosts that have plagued Antioch's recruitment > > >efforts since the 1970s." > > > > > >The consultants did not know at the beginning of the consulting > > >process that the university officials' preferred option was closing > > >the college, but became aware of that preference sometime during the > > >process, Chema said. Asked if he would have made a different > > >recommendation had the university expressed a different preference, > > >Chema said, "I don't know if we would have or not. We would have given > > >them the same data." > > > > > >The university administrators were charged with finding an outside > > >consultant after the trustees' February meeting, when the extent of > > >the college's financial crisis became clear, according to LaPierre. > > > > > >The administrators worked with bankruptcy attorney Jack Pigman of the > > >Columbus firm of Porter, Wright, Orris and Arthur to examine > > >university and college finances, LaPierre said, and that firm > > >contacted the Gateway Group to "broaden the study out," and provide a > > >national and situational context. > > > > > >The Pigman report is not available to the public due to > > >"confidentiality and nondisclosure" between attorney and client, > > >LaPierre said, adding that she had not seen a copy of the report > > >personally. > > > > > >Antioch University Chancellor Toni Murdock was not available to talk > > >to the press this week, and all questions were channelled through > > >LaPierre. Antioch Board of Trustees President Art Zucker was on > > >vacation and did not return phone calls. > > > > > >It has become necessary for the university to funnel press contacts > > >through a single spokesperson due to the volume of press contacts in > > >the past several weeks, according to LaPierre. > > > > > >"I had no idea that this would be the national story that it is," she > > >said. "I miscalculated it, totally." > > > > > >Contact: dchiddister@ysnews.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://newlivehotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "dl bahr" > > To: gerrybello@hotmail.com > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:52:22 +0000 > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions > > > > Good questions and honest, brief answers. This is encouraging. > > > > >From: "Gerry Bello" > > >To: JasonRissa@comcast.net, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > > >Subject: Re: [SaveAntioch] some dumb questions > > >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:00:47 -0400 > > > > > > > >"We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about > > >that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the > > >stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the > > >prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We > > >carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." > > >----Durruti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Are we assuming that the BoT will give up the college if we offer them > > > >enough cash? > > > > > >Yes. > > > > > > >Didn't money fail in 2003 when the Antioch Independence Fund offered in > > > >excess of $1 million in exchange for greater autonomy? > > > > > > > > > >$40 million > $1 million > > > > > > >Are we privy to the BoT's hidden agenda, if any? > > > > > >Working on it. Overtime. Some of it I think we can begin to accurately > > >guess. > > > > > > >Does the BoT intend to sell substantial portions of the land? > > > > > > > > > >Probably, or develop it in ways that wont make any of us happy. > > > > > > >Are the alumni members of the BoT able to talk about BoT business, or do > > > >they owe a duty of confidentiality to the BoT? > > > > > > > > > >Not sure. > > > > > > >Were there any "no" votes among the BoT or, specifically, the executive > > > >committee regarding closing down? > > > > > >Yes. > > > > > > >If any BoT member was on the fence, then can he/she be specifically > > > >identified? > > > > > > > > > >working on it. > > > > > > >Can we overlay the membership of the BoT, especially the executive > > > >committee, with a timeline of events/decisions since 2000? > > > > > > > > > >working on it. > > > > > > >If the college becomes independent, which institution gets the endowment > > > >(currently $30 million, as I understand)? As I ask it, it seems > > > >self-evident. > > > > > > > > > >Quoting the Coup: > > > > > >"When we come were taking everything" > > > > > > >Is Steve Lawry a "good guy" or a "bad guy?" I don't mean to > > >oversimplify, > > > >and a complex answer would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > >We need Steve for continuity. People seem to think he can learn to work > > >with us. I hope so. It will make things easier. If we win, its good for > > >him. If they win its not so good. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Np, > > >--G > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >http://liveearth.msn.com > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SaveAntioch mailing list > > >SaveAntioch@lists.antiochians.org > > >http://lists.antiochians.org/mailman/listinfo/saveantioch_lists.antiochians.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Jeffrey Terrell" > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:17:35 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Gateway Report > > Gateway Report: "We rely solely on the information provided by the > > University's management in presenting to you the following assessment." > > > > Yellow Springs News: "Asked if he would have made a different recommendation > > had the university expressed a different preference, Chema said, 'I don't > > know if we would have or not. We would have given them the same data.'" > > > > Jeffrey Terrell '00 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "dl bahr" > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:26:16 +0000 > > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould > > Hey...could we save the "hit up" verbiage for another forum than alumnichat. > > I can't believe I am going to say this....but please "Respect your Elders, > > a little bit, OK?...especially the Antiochian lineage....learn a little bit > > of history....and maybe draw a larger frame of reference than whatever has > > been getting dished out....I am also all ears for learning from time > > present...but not if your only view of the past is a few names you can hit > > up. > > Enuf said. > > Lesley A.P. Bahr BFA '83 and 10 year resident of Yellow Springs, OH > > Buffalo & Ottertail, MN > > Emergency Room and Watermelon Patch. > > > > > > >From: Hopita@aol.com > > >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List > > >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Stephen Jay Gould > > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:56:24 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:06:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > >alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu writes: > > > > > >Can or have we hit up "famous" Antiochians (you know ? the ones on > > >the > > >website ? Eleanor Holmes Norton and Stephen J. Gould), > > > > > >Um, Stephen Jay Gould is dead. > > > > > >- Hope '92 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at > > >http://www.aol.com. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://newlivehotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Dawn Scribner > > To: Alumni Chat List > > Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:00:23 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] contacts > > Ilse, > > > > > > Did you want someone from the communications group to take this on or, would > > you like to contact this woman yourself? Sounds like a promising > > connection, particularly given the fact that Moore is out on the talk show > > circuit promoting his movie right now. > > > > Feel free to contact me off line if you'd like to discuss further. > > > > In Solidarity, > > > > Dawn Scribner '83 > > dawn@mediawonk.com > > > > > > On 7/7/07 10:25 AM, "ilse moon" wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried to get in touch with Michael Moore beyond the one letter > > > written to him earlier by a contact Callie has? > > > > > > There is a librarian, Ann Sparanese sparanese@yahoo.com, 201-568-2215 xtn > > > 229, who helped him get Stupid White Men out to the public. Here is some > > > information about her from Library Journal.com. The full article tells much > > > more about the issues she is involved with and if you look her up on Google, > > > there is plenty of information. I don't know how much she knows about > > > Antioch, but it certainly is her sort of place. I have heard that she is > > > still in close touch with Michael Moore. Perhaps she will help us. I don't > > > know her personally although we may have met once or twice at library > > > conferences. I'm sure, though, I have friends who do know her fairly well. > > > Does anyone think this would be helpful? > > > Ilse Moon '53 > > > > > > from www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA281662.html > > > > > > "Sparanese doesn't just believe in "diversity" and the "education for > > > democracy" function of libraries. She has won grants to build collections in > > > Hispanic studies, African American studies, and Jazz, Blues and World Music; > > > another grant she wrote funded additional library services to the > > > Spanish-speaking citizenry. > > > > > > Now a vice president for organizing in the Bergen County Central Trades & > > > Labor Council, she considers this extracurricular union participation among > > > the most satisfying aspects of a life devoted to social activism. She has also > > > worked with Cuban librarians to protest the U.S. embargo of Cuba and is active > > > in a local antiwar committee. > > > > > > You may know Sparanese's name because Michael Moore says she saved his book, > > > Stupid White Men, which his publisher refused to release because it was > > > critical of George W. Bush. The publisher disputes that this is the reason the > > > book was finally distributed, but when Sparanese raised the alarm, librarians > > > swamped the company with complaints and orders. Sparanese sees this as proof > > > that librarians can fight back?and win?against the squashing of dissent. > > > > > > She thinks librarians' commitment to free expression is needed now above all, > > > because the USA PATRIOT Act has "put libraries in the crosshairs of its new > > > homeland security policies. It is clearly a time?for small and large acts of > > > resistance to the erosion of our rights." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > To: ccary60@gmail.com, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org, alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:13:54 -0400 > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] donation to college revival fund > > Hi, Callie, I want to send a donation, but I'm a little confused by > > the info in your e-mail below: > > > > >If you are interested in making a donation to the Antioch College Revival > > Fund, please mail donations to: College Revival Fund, U.S. Bank, 266 Xenia > > Avenue, Yellow Springs, OH 45387. Please indicate for deposit into account > > no. 130 110 698 524. 215 Union Boulevard, Suite 300, Lakewood, CO 80228. > > > > There are two addresses here. What's the Lakewood, Colorado, address > > for? And U.S. Bank: is that a bank in Yellow Springs? And what about > > Alan Benard's point about the problem of tax-deductibility? Is there > > a lawyer's opinion on this? > > > > P.S. I'm posting this to the lists as well in case others have > > similar questions. > > > > SJR, C'65 > > -- > > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > > > ******************* > > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > To: Alumni Chat List , saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:42:34 -0400 > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > > This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political > > correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. > > > > This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to > > hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is > > pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left > > poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too > > seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term > > got taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay > > activists, and others who thought that changing the language would > > change people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can > > or should be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. > > Sapir-Whorf theory, strong and weak versions.) I began to find that > > some of my more politically aware students thought that "political > > correctness" was something to defend. > > > > But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One > > could easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" > > terms: "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why > > hasn't the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? > > > > Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" > > to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the > > Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they > > don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC > > than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how > > to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. > > > > SJR, C'65 > > -- > > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > > > ******************* > > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Ann Frye > > To: Alumni Chat List > > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:56:43 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > > Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally assume > > the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, women, civil > > rights, etc. Ann Frye > > > > > This is a request. I wish that everyone using the term "political > > > correctness" or "PC" would instead describe what you mean. > > > > > > This term has generally lost semantic content and become a tool to > > > hammer those the user disagrees with. The history of the term is > > > pretty revealing. My first awareness of "PC" was by those on the left > > > poking gentle fun at others on the left who took their ideology too > > > seriously, to the point of being "lefter than thou." Then the term got > > > taken up by the right in the '80s to attack feminists, gay activists, > > > and others who thought that changing the language would change > > > people's thought, lives, politics. (How and whether this can or should > > > be done is worth a whole other discussion, but cf. Sapir-Whorf theory, > > > strong and weak versions.) I began to find that some of my more > > > politically aware students thought that "political correctness" was > > > something to defend. > > > > > > But in fact the words themselves have no political content. One could > > > easily argue that the right has its own "politically correct" terms: > > > "values," "prolife," "patriotism," "support our troops." Why hasn't > > > the left criticized the right for being "politically correct"? > > > > > > Anyway, on this list, people have been using "political correctness" > > > to criticize the students of the '90s (?), the SOPP, graffiti in the > > > Union, and apparently anything about the current college that they > > > don't like. That's not very helpful. I know it's easier to type PC > > > than spell out what you mean, but we're Antiochians -- we do know how > > > to think. Let's think on these lists. Thanks. End of rant. > > > > > > SJR, C'65 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > To: Alumni Chat List > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:17:48 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: "political correctness" > > Thanks, Ann, that's exactly the problem. I doubt very strongly that > > people on this list who use that term are putting down affirmative > > action, women, civil rights, etc. But as Thelma very passionately > > explained, thinking that there is only one correct way to be > > political is what the problem is. One can defend affirmative action, > > say, in a way that is useful or in a way that antagonizes those who > > don't already agree with you, or even those who do agree with you, > > but don't agree with your particular tactics. > > > > >Thank you, Sonia. I have no patience with the term, and generally > > >assume the user of the term to be putting down affirmative action, > > >women, civil rights, etc. Ann Frye > > > > > > > -- > > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > > > ******************* > > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > To: Alumni Chat List > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:21:03 -0400 > > Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant > > Thelma, I sent my post re PC before I read your long, very useful > > post, in which you made very clear what you meant by PC. I certainly > > remember Bob Devine's opposition to the Antioch Independence Fund's > > proposal to change the name of the institution back to Antioch > > College, get rid of the University bureaucracy, and treat the other > > campuses as branches of the college. I was surprised to see him so > > adamantly lobbying for what we were asking for 10 years ago. I also > > remember the mannekin incident, read all the posts on the chat list > > at the time -- but had forgotten Devine's role and that he was > > president (acting?) at the time. > > > > I'm leaving your description of that incident below for those who may > > not have read down that far. It's important to remember this > > incident, which, as far as I'm concerned, was worse for Antioch's > > reputation that the SOPP. Yes, I think most people the people taking > > the time to read even some of these posts want to save Antioch. But > > we have to understand what went wrong in the past (history!) in order > > to not repeat the mistakes of the past. I'm not looking to heap blame > > on anyone -- I just want to know how we got to this horrible state. > > > > >Bob Devine was tapped by Guskin to manage Antioch College, and was > > >given too much free rein. When he went overboard in his attempt to > > >be popular with the students, Guskin did not rein him in. Perhaps > > >he tried and failed. I don't know what went on between them. But > > >Bob engaged in a lot of very self-indulgent excesses that hurt the > > >school. For example, and I'm sure anyone patient enough to read > > >this far will groan loudly, the manikin incident. I am a POC. The > > >manikin incident was not a racist threat, as far as I am concerned. > > >I am bewildered what makes it so in the Antioch community's eyes. I > > >have described it to a wide variety of people to see if they can see > > >something I am missing. NO ONE sees it as a racist incident. What > > >I think happened was Bob riled up a cadre of students to see a > > >bogeyman where there was none. Then he stepped forward to take > > >leadership in protecting them. In the process, he expelled four > > >students whose only sin--as far as I can figure out--was engaging in > > >a poorly-thought-out prank while their consciousnesses (there's that > > >word again) were...shall we say...altered. Not something unusual at > > >Antioch (the altered consciousness, that is, nor the pranks). > > >Expulsion is a very extreme way to deal with this situation. It was > > >used very, very rarely in the Antioch I attended. I doubt very much > > >they would have been expelled by any of the presidents in charge > > >when I was a student. But in doing so, and in pumping it up into a > > >full-blown KKK attack, Bob manipulated some students and riled up > > >the entire campus, and the end result was more political (on-campus, > > >that is) capital for himself. This was not only unethical vis a vis > > >the students in the College's care but damaging to the College's > > >reputation (and another cause for people seeing it as a "joke"). > > >But it was also damaging to the rest of us POCs who actually DO face > > >racist attacks (unlike Bob, I would point out), whose lives actually > > >ARE threatened by racially motivated violence, because it lessens > > >the likelihood that anyone will take them seriously when real > > >attacks do occur. > > > > > >It also was a lousy lesson for the POCs on campus. There is plenty > > >of racism in the world without producing a generation who sees it > > >hanging from every tree. Propped on a bicycle, no less. With a > > >nonsensical placard across its chest. Bob knows nothing about > > >racism. Hello? Bob does not know SHIT about racism. What he DOES > > >know is that "fighting racism" is a very, VERY easy way to appear > > >PC. And he hurts the very people he is ostensibly "protecting". > > >(By the way, Bob, we don't need your paternalistic protection. > > >We're fully capable of defending ourselves, thank you very much.) > > >The presumptiousness on Bob's part makes my ears smoke. > > > > > >You ask what I mean by PC? This is out-PCing in action. This is > > >not about Nike shoes. A community divided, Antioch with yet another > > >stupid-ass fucked-up mess of negative press, and four students > > >traumatized by an expulsion they did not deserve. Out-PCing for > > >Bob's personal gain. Unethical in the extreme. He should have been > > >fired. He told me in a private post on this subject that the > > >students were told they could return if they took an anti-racism > > >workshop. What FOOL would walk into that tinderbox under those > > >conditions? And what FOR? It was a trumped up incident to further > > >solidify Bob's popularity with the students, thus ensuring this job > > >security. Give me a friggin break. That was an abuse of power, in > > >the extreme, and it hurt Antioch a LOT. > > > > > >I have been told by former students that during Bob's tenure as > > >college president, he was very divisive re the faculty. One camp > > >wanted the school to focus more on "extremist leftist politics", and > > >Bob led the charge. The other camp wanted desperately to get back > > >to beefing up the academic program, which it sorely needs. Guess > > >which camp won? Which one has been vocal on this Chat, and which > > >has been silent? > > > > > >The end result of all this silliness is that the BoT, alarmed at > > >sliding standards, steps in and mandates a curriculum change to try > > >to take control of an out-of-control situation. I've said all this > > >before. YES, the BoT's decision was harmful (and, in my opinion, > > >extremely ill-advised). Did they create the situation they were > > >trying to contain? No. Bob did. Yes, I hold Bob responsible for > > >what he did with the students and faculty while he was interim > > >president. To castigate the BoT for something they had no control > > >over is ludicrous. And WRONG. > > > > > >Why did Bob do this? You'll have to ask him. I think he has a deep > > >need for approval and an even deeper need for power. Is it right to > > >use your position of power over people half your age in an attempt > > >to garner even more power? It's unethical. And Bob should have > > >been fired. He still obviously has a lot of power on that campus. > > >And on this chat. Why people hang on his every word is beyond me. > > >Why they take his translation of the history of this problem is > > >equally mystifying. Bob seems to think that Antioch College is his > > >personal property. It's not. It never was and it never will be. > > >That's the meaning of community. He's one of many. But he has a > > >lot more social power than a lot of people, and that is wrong. To > > >complain about AU stripping Antioch College of its community > > >governance, as he has done repeatedly on this chat, having so > > >outrageously abused his power within the community itself is too > > >much for this Antiochian. > > > > > > > -- > > Sonia Jaffe Robbins > > sjr5@nyu.edu srobbins@reedbusiness.com > > http://www.neww.org.pl http://www.nyu.edu/classes/copyXediting > > > > ******************* > > "If you do not let the tie run come to the plate, you can never lose." > > --Mark Harris, in one of the Southpaw novels > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Imabused@aol.com > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:09:37 EDT > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > > Hi all, > > > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have been > > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of creating a > > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > > coordinator. > > > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process > > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to make this > > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think that > > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to > > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of persons > > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right thing > > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni - > > then I am not so confident. > > > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to communicate > > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who are > > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet it > > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. With a > > coordinator. > > > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in coordination or > > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to put our > > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and affirm > > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily > > access. > > > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of > > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > > > Jane Slater > > Class of '80 > > > > > > ************************************** > > See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "J. Greg Williams" > > To: > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:27:34 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > > Hi Jane, > > > > We have lots of different people coordinating the various aspects of > > this effort. > > > > We created a domain http://antiochians.org that is attempting to > > bring all the pieces together. It needs some work I admit but it is > > rapidly gaining traction. The best efforts right now are to try and > > get people working together in smaller groups through the http:// > > chapters.antiochians.org site. There information is passed up and > > down and around. We are also collecting skills so that we can ask > > for help in certain areas when we need it. I would encourage you to > > head there. There is also a new forum effort setup http:// > > antiochians.org/forum > > > > I'm one of the few people in Florida I believe but by saying so I'm > > hoping a ton of people nearby can contact me and we'll start our own > > chapter. :) > > > > If you have any particular areas you are interested in helping out on > > make it known and I'll try and point you in the best direction. > > > > J. Greg Williams '95 (CM '95-'96) > > > > > > On Jul 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs > > > have been > > > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > > > creating a > > > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > > > coordinator. > > > > > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that > > > process > > > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able > > > to make this > > > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I > > > think that > > > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are > > > going to > > > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group > > > of persons > > > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do > > > the right thing > > > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and > > > alumni - > > > then I am not so confident. > > > > > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > > > communicate > > > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, > > > or who are > > > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the > > > internet it > > > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration > > > going. With a > > > coordinator. > > > > > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > > > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > > > coordination or > > > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse > > > group to put our > > > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully > > > acknowledge and affirm > > > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can > > > easily > > > access. > > > > > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly > > > feelings of > > > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > > > > > Jane Slater > > > Class of '80 > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > See what's free at > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Alicson > > To: "Alumni Chat List" > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:51:58 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? > > Hi Jane, > > > > thanks for voicing these concerns. > > > > Coordination and structure has been a stumbling block, but one that many of > > us have been actively tackling and I think it's coming together. > > The website http://antiochians.org will be improved and and > > further-organized over time, but even now it's a valuable one-stop resource > > for contact information, news, and general information about the existing > > coordination efforts. > > > > We have a number of leaders who have stepped up in the midst of all of this, > > both at the reunion in Yellow Springs and continuing very actively, > > communicating online via various mailing lists, and other online tools. > > There have been some very productive gatherings held by various Alumni > > Association Chapters (http://chapters.antiochians.org), and everyone is > > encouraged to get in touch with your local chapter or see about forming one. > > There are concentrated efforts to include the stories and input of faculty, > > students, and alumni, and those efforts should be visible on Antiochians.org. > > Again, contact information (http://antiochians.org/contacts/) is available > > on the site and anyone interested in taking an active role with any of those > > committees is invited to contact the appropriate point-persons (or any of > > us, and we can help redirect you). Also on the site, we'll be posting > > regular reports as to the accomplishments and plans of the various teams and > > chapters involved in the mission to save Antioch. > > Regarding the need for a forum, we felt the very same way, and > > http://antiochians.org/forum is the result of that feeling. > > > > ...and I see Greg has just covered all of this. > > thanks Greg :) > > > > Best regards to all, > > ~Alicson > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/8/07, Imabused@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I understand that those who were able to make it to Yellow Springs have > > > been > > > working on several areas of work. If we are still in the process of > > > creating a > > > viable plan for the continuation of Antioch, it seems like we need a > > > coordinator. > > > > > > If Antioch is to be continued or "reborn," my own feeling is that process > > > needs to be cleaned up all the way through. Are we going to be able to > > > make this > > > a collaborative and inclusive process, right here and right now? I think > > > that > > > would be a statement to many that Antioch will prevail. If we are going to > > > just ask people to throw money at a disjointed process, at a group of > > > persons > > > like former community managers, and just trust that they will do the right > > > thing > > > - without good input from the many brains of faculty, students and alumni > > > - > > > then I am not so confident. > > > > > > Some of us not financially able to get to Yellow Springs, nor to > > > communicate > > > on this cumbersome blog that doesn't work well with old computers, or who > > > are > > > not near other alumni, are feeling a bit alienated. But with the internet > > > it > > > seems like we could get fantastic communication and collaboration going. > > > With a > > > coordinator. > > > > > > I'm not saying we need a person who is going to "lead" in a certain > > > direction. It seems like we need a person who has experience in > > > coordination or > > > mediation and can bring together this really wonderfully diverse group to > > > put our > > > power into effective action. Someone who can respectfully acknowledge and > > > affirm > > > the opinion of each stakeholder. Plus we need a forum people can easily > > > access. > > > > > > Yeah I'm feeling alienated. Maybe it is only me. But certainly feelings of > > > alienation by other members of this group will deter our progress. > > > > > > Jane Slater > > > Class of '80 > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > See what's free at > > > http://www.aol.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sistersara@aol.com > > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:06:38 EDT > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alanbernard on ACAA > > > > > > In a message dated 7/8/2007 3:02:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > alanbenard@comcast.net writes: > > > > I believe it is absolutely necessary in the interest of transparency for the > > ACAA leadership to explain: > > > > * Steps to organize as a private, non-profit association in the State of Ohio > > * Steps to create legal barriers to challenges to the Revival Fund's > > independence from AU > > * An explanation of what kind of organization is in formation, if any -- a > > 501(c)3 or a foundation > > * An explanation of how Revival funds entrusted to a third party would be > > legally protected, how much overhead would be charged for the administration of > > the fund, how donations would be tax-deductible, and the mechanism by which > > those funds would be returned to the control of the ACAA for disposition to a > > separated AC and what their disposition would be if AC is never re-opened > > and/or not separated. > > > > I expect no clear answers. > > > > Alan Benard > > > > > > > > Totally second this position. If indeed ACAA is incorporated as a > > non-profit in the state of Ohio, the Sec of State or the ACAA board ought to be able > > to post the official charter, including the dates when the charter was filed > > and all. I would point out that if something was done in 1969 as someone > > suggested, that was 1) before the University was created, and 2) an entirely > > different group of board members. I doubt if a 1969 mission statement would in > > any way be adequate at this point. My own memory has it that in 1969 the > > question was whether there would be one big Alumni Association for everyone, or > > whether College alumns wanted to retain their older and informal organization. > > That is hardly the issue today. > > > > What is needed now, for fully understandable legal reasons, is a formal > > voted resolution to incorporate for purposes of the new mission, with a formal > > vote by the ACAA Board as it currently stands as an alumni elected entities. > > This would be followed by the officers filing paperwork with Ohio's Secretary > > of State. The Sec of State will give you a fancy piece of paper called a > > "CHARTER" once you file, and that is preliminary to doing the rest of what's > > necessary to file your 501 or other category of tax exempt class available to > > the now properly chartered ACAA. > > > > I would respectfully point out to the Alumni Board that we do have empirical > > evidence available as to how Alumni feel about some sort of switch being > > pulled, and suddenly finding that funds intended for the College have suddenly > > been changed into University funds. During AIF about 1.2 million was > > contributed to the fund, and in the end only 160 thousand had Antioch University as > > secondary designee. You may not clearly understand all the legal matters > > involved here yet, but I can assure the current ACAA board you have a moral > > obligation to assure any donor that they have a choice to prevent any money they > > donate being used for a purpose they do not intend. The only way you can do > > this is to clean up the incorporation matter, and post clearly all decisions > > of the board. > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: > > To: > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:37:57 -0400 > > Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems > > I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia > > Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what > > went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that > > are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and > > continues to provide to students of the college. > > > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore > > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > > happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > > discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why > > a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though > > I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to > > point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all > > different types of people would be interested. A great educational > > environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing > > multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There > > was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite > > interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He > > added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine > > and I'm really glad he was around to express them. > > > > What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you > > guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be > > fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as > > "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last > > number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person > > refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the > > renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under > > the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of > > development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know > > who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the > > number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting > > mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the > > college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college > > fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > > educational institution. > > > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary > > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is > > sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and > > more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 > > reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the > > disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were > > many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate > > money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two > > were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was > > during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a > > consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a > > small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate > > Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time > > for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to > > be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks > > attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to > > donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket > > science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of > > college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making > > sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? > > Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of > > the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think > > not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside > > of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other > > than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a > > factor in her employment? > > > > I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible > > in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions > > of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very > > cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) > > enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms > > and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student > > or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the > > privacy of a dorm room. > > > > Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years > > at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few > > things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors > > who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob > > Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one > > friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and > > I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really > > slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who > > exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who > > went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor > > who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No > > exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the > > rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that > > happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved > > that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule > > (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. > > > > Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of > > this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many > > times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza > > parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and > > professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing > > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > > absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I > > saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college > > would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student > > that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. > > > > Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry > > and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with > > before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of > > statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in > > your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a > > smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of > > Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I > > think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and > > I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if > > Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. > > Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither > > would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been > > involved with the college. > > > > Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if > > there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing > > together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that > > Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I > > believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned > > that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a > > truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and > > legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as > > has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two > > supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the > > armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent > > student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then > > picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I > > believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." > > I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was > > really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it > > all. What a waste of time. > > > > I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking > > that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and > > thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike > > incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no > > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > > into. > > > > Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. > > Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you > > afraid of what you might find? > > > > Debra '83 > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. > > > > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From ccary60 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 07:45:03 2007 From: ccary60 at gmail.com (Callie Cary) Date: Mon Jul 9 07:57:40 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yea, a bit risky for me to post anything, right? My name has just been dragged through the proverbial slim. Just when you thought it was as murky as it could get (thanks Thelma) these waters just become truly rancid and the sharks have moved in. Clearly, this forum is providing some folks with an outlet for their anger and overall frustration with life. I am reminded of why I had such trouble with the AIF (and some of my classmates as well) - the tone of the spokespeople was often bitter, righteous, narrow-minded, elitist and full of assumptions based on hearsay. Again, I see facts being fabricated about watershed moments in Antioch's history - the strikes, the dark-skinned mannequin that hung from a noose on a TREE (not a leaning on a bike) less than a few weeks after a cross burning appeared in the area, Mumia, the SOPP and it goes on and on... As for the obsession some folks have with Bob Devine, sorry girls and boys, he's been taken for more than 20 years and we feel fortunate to have little boy. Yea, "cult boy" is doing fine and this brainless little girl with more than 24 years of administrative experience is doing OK too. Isn't it interesting when women see the need to publicly trash another...someone they see as "genuine?" Well boo hoo honey. Get you own life together and move on. To the folks lurking out there and to those engaged in the occasional constructive discussion on this forum, good luck, but I would say don't waist your time expecting much action. I'll be working through the Yellow Springs group-face-to-face and checking into antiochians.org. What goes around, comes around. Signing off this forum... Callie From dapperslick at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 08:12:11 2007 From: dapperslick at hotmail.com (tex clark) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:24:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Columbus Dispatch article about our fight for Antioch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/content/local_news/stories/2007/07/09/OLANTIOCH.ART_ART_07-09-07_B1_1377N8K.html?jrl=397799&rfr=nwsl&clk=134568 i'll admit reading this at breakfast this morning made me cry a little. pass it on. _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From casmith at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 9 09:51:31 2007 From: casmith at antioch-college.edu (Christine Smith) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:04:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response,=?ISO-8859-1?Q? slightly_?= relevant: More about Bob and Other P In-Reply-To: <393201.38769.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <393201.38769.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually, one of my students who graduated in psychology in 2006 was exactly this--a pro-life evangelical Christian woman. She did quite well at Antioch. There were some initial problems of adjustment (on all parts) but she forms a christian discussion group. I am still in contact with her. christine Psychology Faculty Member > > I yearn for the place that a pro-life, evangelical Christian woman >would want to attend antioch. Unfortunately, with attitudes that are >being displayed on this email group, I think that Antioch cannot remain a >viable institution. > From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 10:09:56 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:22:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am not sure I should say anything at this moment... "What goes around, Comes around." Of course which point you start at makes a difference about what point you come back round to. I can also state that I have not participated in this chat because I am angry and frustrated with life. I am also not one to make statements about others unless I have experience of others. Neither am I going to defend people when I do not know them. It is impersonal for me. I graduated from Antioch in 1983. I lived in the Village from 1981-1991--first as a non residential student and later as a resident who worked many places in the town and had more than one context of viewing the place. Although, Antioch was struggling all along--when I left town things had improved at the college. Does anyone remember African American Cultural Week 1991? and a young man, an Antiochian, named John C. Sims? I certainly do, I was working at the Morgan House Bed and Breakfast and got serenaded by a bluesman named RL Burnside (may he rest in peace--recently passed) as I served breakfast. I scrambled to make enough beds and cots for The Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus. Mr. Threadgill was composing as I dusted around his music stand and all those tuba cases. Does anybody remember? One of my all time favorite movies, Yaaba, was playing at the Little Art Theatre where I sold tickets. Does anyone remember all those panel discussions that took place between April 14-April 21, 1991? If you don't I suggest you learn about it. J ohn Sims had studied in Germany through AEA. He had gone on the combined coop/study program that took students to the Sea Islands, King Center, and small communities in the South. He came back and organized a tremendous project, got grant monies, and showed Yellow Springs and Antioch what it could be--a regional, cultural power house of tradition--for African American Culture. The model could be used for other streams of culture that flow through the campus and the town. Bob Fogarty certainly did at least one wonderful forum in celebrating the Antioch Review anniversary--I served many of those literati their breakfast--a very nice bunch. I could see so much that could be celebrated and promoted in our tradition. Mr Sims certainly showed us how it could be done with a strong enough will and some organizational ability. So when I left, heading North to get some fresh air and space, I remember a vibrant time--even though the campus was struggling. Not more than one or two years later I am reading about SOPP in the Duluth paper. Hmmm What's going on back home? Hmmm Why am I reading about this all the way up here? Who is handling Antioch's PR? I wonder, did anyone in Duluth get to read about Yellow Springs African American Cultural 1991? I don't think so. But why two years later am I reading about SOPP in Duluth of all places? I won't even discuss the reaction to certain commencement speakers. I did not read about Coretta Scott King getting a Horace Mann award in 2003 or 2004, but I hear she gave a phenomonal speech. If it got press, maybe it just did not reach as far a MN. I was not involved in AIF, but as an alumni trying to catch up on what has occurred since I left town, I certainly am interested in their efforts because of my understanding of the long history of struggle between the College and the Network. I came to Antioch in Sept of 1979 when faculty were not being paid! I have also studied some of the history of the Strike, because of the deep wounds. I remember one admission staff person who came back to Antioch in the early 80's because he realized what a blow to campus the Strike had been and he wanted to help REBUILD. Things were getting better. When I juxtapose where Antioch was when I came/Where Antioch was when I left/What has happened Since--I can't help but conclude that some of what has gone down has to do with leadership on the ground. We had the same crazy University in 1980's, We had low enrollment, We had pc/identity politics...something else has been going on there that has made things get to the point we are soon to have Antioch College close...maybe for good. For the first time, since I left, I started getting some information from the College. It is the first time, as an alumni I have received anything. Sure I have not made a HUGE effort to stay in touch, but I have to conclude that this is partly because leadership has changed. Somebody on the ground is thinking about alumni---rather than attacking them...how did you word it Callie? "bitter, righteous, narrow-minded and elitist and full of assumptions based on hearsay". Come on, these are alumni and faculty who care about the place and spent years of time and energy going out to gain support for Antioch College. Now maybe some things were not handled the best, I certainly was not there, but after reading, listening, and communicating with AIF I do not agree with your characterization. I wonder if the statement about glass houses and stones is appropriate...probably not...Humpty Dumpty...maybe...I seem to see old Humpty falling off those towers---splat...all over the front campus...with plenty of activist Antiochians on the ground trying to get him cleaned up and put back together again. You can't fix and market a solution, unless you get on the same page with the problem. Longitudinal problems are not going to be mended by quick fixes and a bunch of positive spin press releases. It might not even be repaired by alumni giving lots of money...maybe. It certainly won't get very far without alumni. Whatever plans are put together on the ground or by faculty. Saying this does not make someone an elitist snob: I am a farmers wife and a receptionist! Are you going to call me an elitist snob? I certainly can make my claims into both the blue collar and the college elite...This is not about one person's family nor their class standing...it is not about one generation of Antiochians...many of us have claims to the place...many of us have called it home before 2007 and I certainly hope after 2007. Lesley A Pownall Bahr, BFA, 1983 Buffalo, Minnesota >From: "Callie Cary" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:45:03 -0400 > >Yea, a bit risky for me to post anything, right? My name has just been >dragged through the proverbial slim. Just when you thought it was as >murky as it could get (thanks Thelma) these waters just become truly >rancid and the sharks have moved in. Clearly, this forum is providing >some folks with an outlet for their anger and overall frustration with >life. > >I am reminded of why I had such trouble with the AIF (and some of my >classmates as well) - the tone of the spokespeople was often bitter, >righteous, narrow-minded, elitist and full of assumptions based on >hearsay. Again, I see facts being fabricated about watershed moments >in Antioch's history - the strikes, the dark-skinned mannequin that >hung from a noose on a TREE (not a leaning on a bike) less than a few >weeks after a cross burning appeared in the area, Mumia, the SOPP and >it goes on and on... > >As for the obsession some folks have with Bob Devine, sorry girls and >boys, he's been taken for more than 20 years and we feel fortunate to >have little boy. Yea, "cult boy" is doing fine and this brainless >little girl with more than 24 years of administrative experience is >doing OK too. Isn't it interesting when women see the need to >publicly trash another...someone they see as "genuine?" Well boo hoo >honey. Get you own life together and move on. > >To the folks lurking out there and to those engaged in the occasional >constructive discussion on this forum, good luck, but I would say >don't waist your time expecting much action. I'll be working through >the Yellow Springs group-face-to-face and checking into >antiochians.org. > >What goes around, comes around. Signing off this forum... > >Callie >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 11:07:47 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:20:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <101844.59918.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > So if we > agree Antioch had > problems and that the new Antioch needs to be > different to stay alive, why > can't we talk about fixing the problems? WHEN it becomes clear that there will continue to be an Antioch College, I'm sure you'll get a LOT of alumni who are willing to voice their opinions on what needed to be fixed and what should be changed. But right now, they're kinda busy on the first step. Its still unclear as to whether there will be anything left TO fix. Which is more likely to produce results at this juncture: sitting around talking about our bad co-op experience and profoundly stating our interpretation of campus events that we did not personally witness; or actually figuring out exactly what is needed to keep Antioch College open in 2008? It is readily apparent that many are confusing "Direct" and "Indirect" causes of our current situation. The stewards of Antioch College today failed. They failed, and have shown they are not capable of leading an undergraduate liberal arts college. They failed, and their published plan to re-open an undergraduate program in Yellow Springs is not worthy of the Antioch College traditions and legacy. IF the *sole source of information* regarding Antioch College's current situation can be believed, enrollment is the cause of the crisis today. IF the sole source of information can be believed that enrollment is the DIRECT cause of the crisis, then the stewards of Antioch College failed to respond appropriately to the crisis. IF enrollment is the cause of today's crisis, the stewards of Antioch College did not fail in June by closing the college. IF we believe enrollment is the DIRECT cause of the College's closure, the stewards of Antioch College failed in September of 2005 by not implementing long-term plans to deal with a SEVERE 4-year shortage in students (and corresponding tuition) brought on by an enrolling class of 60 students. Exactly WHO failed to appropriately plan is still in question (IF we believe that enrollment is the DIRECT cause, as reported by the sole source of information). Did the University CFO fail to budget appropriately? Did the University Chancellor provide incomplete information to the BoT? Did the College President make promises and assurances he couldn't keep? Did the BoT make additional promises regarding funding they didn't follow through with? Did the Finance Committee of the BoT fail to provide the rest of the board with accurate budgetary projections? Do I believe in a University Administration that hires consultants and lets the consultants know what option is the one they want chosen? And provides the data to support that option? Do I believe in a University Administration that isn't honest about exactly WHEN they started planning the closure of the undergraduate institution? Do I believe in a University Administration that has not given one WORD of praise for the College, its students, & the alumni it produces? Do I believe in a University Administration and College President that provides the alumni NO CLUE of a crisis TWO YEARS in the making? I guess, however, arguing about a dummy in a tree is more fun... -laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 11:08:29 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:21:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Press: Journal of Higher Ed: Antioch U rebuffs pettion In-Reply-To: <96a99a8d0707082122u4fc7211v2cade88193456b0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Note... they gave this interview friday: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/07/09/qt Hundreds of alumni of Antioch College are signing a petition calling for an autonomous board to govern the college, which Antioch Universitys board has decided to shut down until 2012 because of financial problems and falling enrollment. The alumni of the college are critical of the university board, arguing that it has ignored and betrayed the college in favor the institutions campuses for non-residential students. A spokeswoman for Antioch University said Friday that the university and its board had no intention at all of agreeing to place the college under a separate entity. The university owns all of the assets and the university does not want to do that, she said. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From seamus at gridworkdesign.com Mon Jul 9 11:17:16 2007 From: seamus at gridworkdesign.com (Seamus Holman) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:29:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F758FC9-6574-40DE-954E-9E507846AC11@gridworkdesign.com> These stream of consciousness emails are exhausting. A helpful reminder from The Elements of Style, "Omit needless words." Seamus '00 On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:09 AM, dl bahr wrote: > I am not sure I should say anything at this moment... > "What goes around, Comes around." Of course which point you start > at makes a difference about what point you come back round to. > > I can also state that I have not participated in this chat because > I am angry and frustrated with life. I am also not one to make > statements about others unless I have experience of others. > Neither am I going to defend people when I do not know them. It is > impersonal for me. > > I graduated from Antioch in 1983. I lived in the Village from > 1981-1991--first as a non residential student and later as a > resident who worked many places in the town and had more than one > context of viewing the place. Although, Antioch was struggling > all along--when I left town things had improved at the college. > Does anyone remember African American Cultural Week 1991? and a > young man, an Antiochian, named John C. Sims? I certainly do, I > was working at the Morgan House Bed and Breakfast and got serenaded > by a bluesman named RL Burnside (may he rest in peace--recently > passed) as I served breakfast. I scrambled to make enough beds and > cots for The Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus. Mr. Threadgill was > composing as I dusted around his music stand and all those tuba > cases. Does anybody remember? One of my all time favorite movies, > Yaaba, was playing at the Little Art Theatre where I sold tickets. > Does anyone remember all those panel discussions that took place > between April 14-April 21, 1991? If you don't I suggest you learn > about it. J > > ohn Sims had studied in Germany through AEA. He had gone on the > combined coop/study program that took students to the Sea Islands, > King Center, and small communities in the South. He came back and > organized a tremendous project, got grant monies, and showed Yellow > Springs and Antioch what it could be--a regional, cultural power > house of tradition--for African American Culture. The model could > be used for other streams of culture that flow through the campus > and the town. Bob Fogarty certainly did at least one wonderful > forum in celebrating the Antioch Review anniversary--I served many > of those literati their breakfast--a very nice bunch. I could see > so much that could be celebrated and promoted in our tradition. Mr > Sims certainly showed us how it could be done with a strong enough > will and some organizational ability. > > So when I left, heading North to get some fresh air and space, I > remember a vibrant time--even though the campus was struggling. > Not more than one or two years later I am reading about SOPP in > the Duluth paper. Hmmm What's going on back home? Hmmm Why am I > reading about this all the way up here? Who is handling Antioch's > PR? I wonder, did anyone in Duluth get to read about Yellow > Springs African American Cultural 1991? I don't think so. But why > two years later am I reading about SOPP in Duluth of all places? I > won't even discuss the reaction to certain commencement speakers. > I did not read about Coretta Scott King getting a Horace Mann award > in 2003 or 2004, but I hear she gave a phenomonal speech. If it > got press, maybe it just did not reach as far a MN. > > I was not involved in AIF, but as an alumni trying to catch up on > what has occurred since I left town, I certainly am interested in > their efforts because of my understanding of the long history of > struggle between the College and the Network. I came to Antioch in > Sept of 1979 when faculty were not being paid! I have also studied > some of the history of the Strike, because of the deep wounds. I > remember one admission staff person who came back to Antioch in the > early 80's because he realized what a blow to campus the Strike had > been and he wanted to help REBUILD. Things were getting better. > When I juxtapose where Antioch was when I came/Where Antioch was > when I left/What has happened Since--I can't help but conclude that > some of what has gone down has to do with leadership on the > ground. We had the same crazy University in 1980's, We had low > enrollment, We had pc/identity politics...something else has been > going on there that has made things get to the point we are soon to > have Antioch College close...maybe for good. > > For the first time, since I left, I started getting some > information from the College. It is the first time, as an alumni I > have received anything. Sure I have not made a HUGE effort to stay > in touch, but I have to conclude that this is partly because > leadership has changed. Somebody on the ground is thinking about > alumni---rather than attacking them...how did you word it Callie? > "bitter, righteous, narrow-minded and elitist and full of > assumptions based on hearsay". Come on, these are alumni and > faculty who care about the place and spent years of time and energy > going out to gain support for Antioch College. Now maybe some > things were not handled the best, I certainly was not there, but > after reading, listening, and communicating with AIF I do not agree > with your characterization. I wonder if the statement about glass > houses and stones is appropriate...probably not...Humpty > Dumpty...maybe...I seem to see old Humpty falling off those > towers---splat...all over the front campus...with plenty of > activist Antiochians on the ground trying to get him cleaned up and > put back together again. > > You can't fix and market a solution, unless you get on the same > page with the problem. Longitudinal problems are not going to be > mended by quick fixes and a bunch of positive spin press releases. > It might not even be repaired by alumni giving lots of > money...maybe. It certainly won't get very far without alumni. > Whatever plans are put together on the ground or by faculty. > Saying this does not make someone an elitist snob: I am a farmers > wife and a receptionist! Are you going to call me an elitist snob? > I certainly can make my claims into both the blue collar and the > college elite...This is not about one person's family nor their > class standing...it is not about one generation of > Antiochians...many of us have claims to the place...many of us have > called it home before 2007 and I certainly hope after 2007. > > Lesley A Pownall Bahr, BFA, 1983 > Buffalo, Minnesota > > > > >> From: "Callie Cary" >> Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >> To: "Alumni Chat List" >> Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:45:03 -0400 >> >> Yea, a bit risky for me to post anything, right? My name has just >> been >> dragged through the proverbial slim. Just when you thought it was as >> murky as it could get (thanks Thelma) these waters just become truly >> rancid and the sharks have moved in. Clearly, this forum is >> providing >> some folks with an outlet for their anger and overall frustration >> with >> life. >> >> I am reminded of why I had such trouble with the AIF (and some of my >> classmates as well) - the tone of the spokespeople was often bitter, >> righteous, narrow-minded, elitist and full of assumptions based on >> hearsay. Again, I see facts being fabricated about watershed moments >> in Antioch's history - the strikes, the dark-skinned mannequin that >> hung from a noose on a TREE (not a leaning on a bike) less than a few >> weeks after a cross burning appeared in the area, Mumia, the SOPP and >> it goes on and on... >> >> As for the obsession some folks have with Bob Devine, sorry girls and >> boys, he's been taken for more than 20 years and we feel fortunate to >> have little boy. Yea, "cult boy" is doing fine and this brainless >> little girl with more than 24 years of administrative experience is >> doing OK too. Isn't it interesting when women see the need to >> publicly trash another...someone they see as "genuine?" Well boo hoo >> honey. Get you own life together and move on. >> >> To the folks lurking out there and to those engaged in the occasional >> constructive discussion on this forum, good luck, but I would say >> don't waist your time expecting much action. I'll be working through >> the Yellow Springs group-face-to-face and checking into >> antiochians.org. >> >> What goes around, comes around. Signing off this forum... >> >> Callie >> _______________________________________________ >> Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >> Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >> http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From jonahliebert at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 11:49:18 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:01:58 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: <101844.59918.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <101844.59918.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Laura, Declining Enrollment is an indicator of a major problem at any college that relies on enrollment as its primary source of revenue, but what caused the decline? Enrollment does not decline for about 30 years of its own volition; there must be a reason. Here, you are suggesting that the decline in enrollment over the past 30+ years was directly caused by poor or negligent University stewardship. That is really hard to believe. The NY Times suggested that we got too liberal for our own good. I think that is also hard to believe. But there maybe truth in both perspectives. Pinning this all on the University is like saying that all of our college presidents, administrators, faculty, students, alumni and others over the past 30 years were completely powerless to act to prevent the decline in enrollment. Do you honestly believe that there is really no other ultimate cause to declining enrollment than university stewardship? I think step 1 should be to agree on what was wrong with Antioch and then how the new Antioch should be different. Respectfully, Jonah On 7/9/07, Laura Fathauer wrote: > > > > So if we > > agree Antioch had > > problems and that the new Antioch needs to be > > different to stay alive, why > > can't we talk about fixing the problems? > > WHEN it becomes clear that there will continue to be > an Antioch College, I'm sure you'll get a LOT of > alumni who are willing to voice their opinions on what > needed to be fixed and what should be changed. But > right now, they're kinda busy on the first step. Its > still unclear as to whether there will be anything > left TO fix. Which is more likely to produce results > at this juncture: sitting around talking about our bad > co-op experience and profoundly stating our > interpretation of campus events that we did not > personally witness; or actually figuring out exactly > what is needed to keep Antioch College open in 2008? > > It is readily apparent that many are confusing > "Direct" and "Indirect" causes of our current > situation. > > The stewards of Antioch College today failed. They > failed, and have shown they are not capable of leading > an undergraduate liberal arts college. They failed, > and their published plan to re-open an undergraduate > program in Yellow Springs is not worthy of the Antioch > College traditions and legacy. > > IF the *sole source of information* regarding Antioch > College's current situation can be believed, > enrollment is the cause of the crisis today. IF the > sole source of information can be believed that > enrollment is the DIRECT cause of the crisis, then the > stewards of Antioch College failed to respond > appropriately to the crisis. > > IF enrollment is the cause of today's crisis, the > stewards of Antioch College did not fail in June by > closing the college. > > IF we believe enrollment is the DIRECT cause of the > College's closure, the stewards of Antioch College > failed in September of 2005 by not implementing > long-term plans to deal with a SEVERE 4-year shortage > in students (and corresponding tuition) brought on by > an enrolling class of 60 students. > > Exactly WHO failed to appropriately plan is still in > question (IF we believe that enrollment is the DIRECT > cause, as reported by the sole source of information). > Did the University CFO fail to budget appropriately? > Did the University Chancellor provide incomplete > information to the BoT? Did the College President make > promises and assurances he couldn't keep? Did the BoT > make additional promises regarding funding they didn't > follow through with? Did the Finance Committee of the > BoT fail to provide the rest of the board with > accurate budgetary projections? > > Do I believe in a University Administration that hires > consultants and lets the consultants know what option > is the one they want chosen? And provides the data to > support that option? Do I believe in a University > Administration that isn't honest about exactly WHEN > they started planning the closure of the undergraduate > institution? Do I believe in a University > Administration that has not given one WORD of praise > for the College, its students, & the alumni it > produces? Do I believe in a University Administration > and College President that provides the alumni NO CLUE > of a crisis TWO YEARS in the making? > > I guess, however, arguing about a dummy in a tree is > more fun... > > -laura > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From matt at baya.net Mon Jul 9 11:49:46 2007 From: matt at baya.net (Matthew Baya) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:02:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Jonah Liebert wrote: > Matt, I generally appreciate your posts, but I have to respectfully > disagree > with you here. I think the heart of the problem is that in order > for all us > to "just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and 'new > Antioch' needs > to be different," we would first need to define how the old Antioch > wasn't > perfect and how the 'new Antioch' needs to be different. This seems > integral to me to "saving Antioch," but there are many here who > will simply > not tolerate such a discussion. I'm sorry if my post came across as saying 'Don't complain', you'll note the title was 'Don't JUST complain'. I'm all for discussing our failures but I think they need to be accompanied by suggestions and ideas for how we can prevent them from occurring in the future. I think there's too much pointing fingers and not enough 'Hey who wants to work with me on a proposal on how this can be addressed ?' type talk. As I mentioned earlier I also think there's also a limit on how much we should analyze how and what happened 5, 10, 20+ years ago and what we should be doing now. I'm happy to chat about problems I saw at Antioch as a student & staff member between 1987 - 1997 but I don't think most of them are in any way relevent to the Antioch of today and the Antioch we want to keep going in 2008. I'm not saying forget history, I'm saying lets use that to learn from but also realize that the train is still running and that what's coming up the track might not match what we passed already. > "Saving Antioch" has come to mean that not > a single question or criticism can be uttered against the old > Antioch, which > I believe most of us would agree had problems, except regarding > University-College governance relations. I don't think this is true, but I also think that those of us who have no recent direct experience with the campus need to be careful with our demonizing or glorifying the current Antioch community. Pointing out a problem is fine, but demeaning those who were / are there (as well as praising) needs to be done carefully. Again I quote the honor code, 'I affirm that I will be honest and respectful in all my relationships, and I will advance these standards of behavior in others." If we're all respectful I think we'll be fine. As has been established in other threads I think we have 'trolls' on both sides of the camp. > So if we agree Antioch had > problems and that the new Antioch needs to be different to stay > alive, why > can't we talk about fixing the problems? I guess the flipside of things is that when one points out a problem and others provide experience/data that counters assumptions made, thats not intolerance, that's discussion (ok depending on the tone, I think we all need to be better about 'self policing' this list when people get out of hand) . Before we can fix a problem we need to distill what the problem is and examples and experiences (especially ones that are reported 2nd or 3rd hand) on go so far. On the other hand if we can agree that the problem boils down to X, Y & Z then we can make suggestions on how this can be avoided in the future. So lets do that, I'm fine with discussing failures but lets work on solutions to them that we can all agree on. I don't think that the current Antioch culture is "Toxic", at least no more than any other liberal liberal arts campus out there, but if there are problems what are ways we can empower & protect those who would be offended or harmed by the 'toxic' culture and instead be part of changing it. The other point which others have mentioned on this list is that we're in a serious crisis right now and it's really not the time to fix every problem we know of. We need to keep the ship afloat. Sure that means figuring out some of why it's sinking and plugging those holes but more importantly if we debate why we're sinking instead of spending the time bailing and paddling, then the ships gonna sink. So my priority is to save the ship first, then patch her up and help her stay seaworthy in the future. I'm not saying that we need to stop discussions on this, but there's only so much time left before she goes under and right now the primary goal is to get the BOT to reverse the closure decision so we can then help with recruiting students etc. So on some subjects I'd like to table them with the 'agree to disagree' moniker and also agree that we can bring these back up when the crisis is averted. At least that's my preference. I know some others are fine with the 'close it, fix it, bring it back in 2012' plan. If y'all would like a list/forum on Antiochians.org I'm fine with providing that but I'm not willing to be part of that discussion, for me the current ship is worth saving and I'm gonna do all I can to keep her above water. (ok enough with the boat analogy but for those folk music geeks like me I've been listening to Stan Rogers 'Mary Ellen Carter' non-stop for the past few weeks :) (if your curious, google it and you'll see why)) I'm finding these lists incredibly time consuming, which is frustrating since I have dozens of projects to do for the website that are being delayed. Others have suggested I just leave the lists but frankly, I can't since I think it's important to have posts on here stating what we're doing and why, especially from those of us who are working hard for this. Every time I post I get notes from both friends and other Antiochians I've never met saying 'Thank you' or 'Thats what I was gonna say' which is encouraging since I wonder sometimes if it's just me up here in Maine all alone with my opinions. > BTW, I think you and whoever else put together www.antiochians.org > did a > remarkable job. Congratulations! I will switch to that site for > now on. I'm just one person on a large team of folks and really most of what I do isn't visible but thank you for the complements and keep checking in, there's lots of stuff in the works and it's my hope that antiochians.org will not only assist in saving the college but will also be a major utility in keeping it going in the future. The alumni are a huge resource that I think the campus has barely tapped in the past and I hope that antiochians.org can help the 'new Antioch' utilize this. I look forward to chatting with you on the forums over there. Thanks for your polite note in response to my post. -Matt '92 Still humming 'Mary Ellen Carter' by Stan Rogers From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 12:11:00 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:23:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All... First of All... Love and respect to Bob and Callie. Both to Both. Okay for you all who think those of us from a generation beyond you are "Bob's groupies", let me key you in to my prespective. When I was a student, and actively in conflict with a creeping negative strain in the culture of Antioch, I came into conflict with both Bob and Callie. That conflict was severe enough that I felt the need 10+ years later, sitting at this very computer, I felt the need to reach out in a private email and assure trust and bury the hatchet. Bob was very tough to be in conflict with. In fact I'll be blunt, he's one of the toughest I've ever met. And I, with a few dedicated friends, have dismantled whole Klan organiziations (yes plural) with my bare hands (and the occasional lead pipe). I'm not here to kiss Bob's ass, I'm not an uncritical consumer of what he or anyone else has to say. But he's on my side, He's a good man, and he will defend this institution. If I need only one reason I would chose to quote what Lincoln said when selecting Grant to lead the Army of the Potomac and eventual be general in chief of all Union forces: "I need this man, He fights" Thats the pragmatic answer. This is the real from the heart answer: When I was in conflict with Bob he was doing his damndest to keep me from pressing my attacks on bad culture at Antioch too far, from taking down the institution to get at the people. He always acts from the point of view of preserving what is best in our tradition and the health and survival of our home and our quirky little tribe. Let me talk about that "Bad Culture". The single most destructive think I have seen at Antioch, far beyond any little flare-ups in the culture war, is a certain world-view that has set in at the University level. That world view is now and clearly has been driving quite a few bad descisions. The University partisans are narrow technocrats, seeking profit and effieciency at the expense of community, real social justice, and real values. They would rather build building then programs. They ALWAYS make their descisions in secret and carry out their deliberations in the same way. They do not WISH to have input from the community or alumni because our values are at odds with theirs. There is a tension between what is taught at Antioch and what is practice at University level and in the world. That tension, between community and secret unaccountable government, between local participatory democracy and executive fiat, between love and trust of the people and the worship of experts, between (simplistically) people and profits is what got us here today. It's those negative aspects that have gotten the upper hand and attempted to destroy us. And its a viscious hateful action. This culture war and attack on "PC" values (whatever the fuck thats supposed to mean) is an attack my mainstream corporatisit society on a community that has dedicated itself to social justice for 150+ years by a group of outsiders who think that its a good thing that child labor in the imperialist periphery makes our shoes for 28 cents an hour. Because "the world is flat" apes Toni Murdock after her hero Thomas Friedman. Much as 1989 was proclaimed as "the end of history", much history has happened since then. The history that is to be ended this year is an important chunk of peoples history, a history of struggle against real existant oppression, my history, our history. The thing that they are missing, is that I'm not history and the rest of us are not history, we are living breathing beings who are still working for justice. And I'm tough enough for this fight. I am happy to stand with Bob. And proud. Thelma, Dawn, to you have the depth of character to stand with us? They wish to build a false warmed over feel good University as opposed to a tough school and a tough enviroment where people argue about values, put those values into action, refine their technique and go out into the world knowing that they have a mission and the tools, both of intellect and of character to carry out that mission. So many of the Antiochians of my generation have stood on the front lines social change in these last 15 years its phenominal. We've lobbied and we've fought and we've been to jail. Robert Heinlein wrote once "greater love hath no man then to place himself between his home and family and war's desolation." Globalization is war and oppression. It kills in fashions as disgusting as the sudden meeting between a n infant and a bullet. Have no doubts about this. And it has come home to Yellow Springs as it has to the rest of the country, further reshaping our relations. It seeks to destroy historical protections that get in the way of profit and absolute control and authority: Tenure and Union contracts. It does its bussiness in secret rather than deal with a community based in particapatory democracy. It values profit over all else. It prefers style to substance. It asks what you can do for the leadership rather than what the leadership can do for the collective good. It is at odds with all the values I brought with me when I came to Antioch and all that I learned when I was there. And here you are Dawn and Thelma, attacking people who wish to stop it and supporting people who wish to destroy our home. Attacking the generation of students who has to a man and woman stood up to fight for their home and their values. Attacking some of the people that nurtured their intellect. You use slander and rumour as your tools rather than reasoned debate. You seek to drive wedges between generations of alumni and even between husband and wife. You spew bile in a conversation where people are comming together with such a great love to save the most important insitution in their lives. What sort of sickness grips you? If you are not with us, would you please just fuck off. Really. We are here to carry out work in support of a resolution that we all democratically passed and that will require the best in all of us to realize. If this is not something you wish to see happen would you please take your hate and go. ----G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From tgseto at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 12:14:15 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:26:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Not very long, relevant response In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greg-- Message-ID: Appoligies.. It appears I have confused Dawn with Debra. My bad really sorry... ---G "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From jonahliebert at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 12:26:59 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:39:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt, I swore I would switch to the website, and I did somewhat, but someone replied here and on it goes... "I think they need to be accompanied by suggestions and ideas for how we can prevent them from occurring in the future. I think there's too much pointing fingers and not enough 'Hey who wants to work with me on a proposal on how this can be addressed ?' type talk." I agree completely and would love to work on that project of "Hey, who wants to work.... But it shouldn't really be me or any other alum for that matter; that effort should be led by the current faculty and administration and current students. It should have begun already. Alumni should have opportunities to comment and offer ideas but not lead such an effort. I know there is a lawsuit in the works, and our ship is sinking and might not right itself, and so on and so forth, but I cannot help but point out over and over again that there must be some consensus on what we are saving and how the new Antioch will be different. If, aside from trying to make this point over and over again on this message board, there were some way that I could be directly involved in such an effort, I would love to, but I don't know how because very few people here seem to want to talk about it or deal with it directly. To follow your ship analogy (and add a duck into the mix): we can't just patch ourselves up and float along like a lame duck waiting dreading the next storm surge, we need a full repair and to set a clear course for a single point on the horizon. All the best and thank you, too, for your well-articulated and thoughtful posts. Jonah On 7/9/07, Matthew Baya wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Jonah Liebert wrote: > > > Matt, I generally appreciate your posts, but I have to respectfully > > disagree > > with you here. I think the heart of the problem is that in order > > for all us > > to "just agree that the 'old' Antioch wasn't perfect and 'new > > Antioch' needs > > to be different," we would first need to define how the old Antioch > > wasn't > > perfect and how the 'new Antioch' needs to be different. This seems > > integral to me to "saving Antioch," but there are many here who > > will simply > > not tolerate such a discussion. > > I'm sorry if my post came across as saying 'Don't complain', you'll > note the title was 'Don't JUST complain'. I'm all for discussing our > failures but I think they need to be accompanied by suggestions and > ideas for how we can prevent them from occurring in the future. I > think there's too much pointing fingers and not enough 'Hey who wants > to work with me on a proposal on how this can be addressed ?' type > talk. As I mentioned earlier I also think there's also a limit on how > much we should analyze how and what happened 5, 10, 20+ years ago and > what we should be doing now. I'm happy to chat about problems I saw > at Antioch as a student & staff member between 1987 - 1997 but I > don't think most of them are in any way relevent to the Antioch of > today and the Antioch we want to keep going in 2008. I'm not saying > forget history, I'm saying lets use that to learn from but also > realize that the train is still running and that what's coming up the > track might not match what we passed already. > > > "Saving Antioch" has come to mean that not > > a single question or criticism can be uttered against the old > > Antioch, which > > I believe most of us would agree had problems, except regarding > > University-College governance relations. > > I don't think this is true, but I also think that those of us who > have no recent direct experience with the campus need to be careful > with our demonizing or glorifying the current Antioch community. > Pointing out a problem is fine, but demeaning those who were / are > there (as well as praising) needs to be done carefully. Again I quote > the honor code, 'I affirm that I will be honest and respectful in all > my relationships, and I will advance these standards of behavior in > others." If we're all respectful I think we'll be fine. As has been > established in other threads I think we have 'trolls' on both sides > of the camp. > > > So if we agree Antioch had > > problems and that the new Antioch needs to be different to stay > > alive, why > > can't we talk about fixing the problems? > > I guess the flipside of things is that when one points out a problem > and others provide experience/data that counters assumptions made, > thats not intolerance, that's discussion (ok depending on the tone, I > think we all need to be better about 'self policing' this list when > people get out of hand) . Before we can fix a problem we need to > distill what the problem is and examples and experiences (especially > ones that are reported 2nd or 3rd hand) on go so far. On the other > hand if we can agree that the problem boils down to X, Y & Z then we > can make suggestions on how this can be avoided in the future. > > So lets do that, I'm fine with discussing failures but lets work on > solutions to them that we can all agree on. I don't think that the > current Antioch culture is "Toxic", at least no more than any other > liberal liberal arts campus out there, but if there are problems what > are ways we can empower & protect those who would be offended or > harmed by the 'toxic' culture and instead be part of changing it. > > The other point which others have mentioned on this list is that > we're in a serious crisis right now and it's really not the time to > fix every problem we know of. We need to keep the ship afloat. Sure > that means figuring out some of why it's sinking and plugging those > holes but more importantly if we debate why we're sinking instead of > spending the time bailing and paddling, then the ships gonna sink. So > my priority is to save the ship first, then patch her up and help her > stay seaworthy in the future. I'm not saying that we need to stop > discussions on this, but there's only so much time left before she > goes under and right now the primary goal is to get the BOT to > reverse the closure decision so we can then help with recruiting > students etc. So on some subjects I'd like to table them with the > 'agree to disagree' moniker and also agree that we can bring these > back up when the crisis is averted. At least that's my preference. I > know some others are fine with the 'close it, fix it, bring it back > in 2012' plan. If y'all would like a list/forum on Antiochians.org > I'm fine with providing that but I'm not willing to be part of that > discussion, for me the current ship is worth saving and I'm gonna do > all I can to keep her above water. (ok enough with the boat analogy > but for those folk music geeks like me I've been listening to Stan > Rogers 'Mary Ellen Carter' non-stop for the past few weeks :) (if > your curious, google it and you'll see why)) > > I'm finding these lists incredibly time consuming, which is > frustrating since I have dozens of projects to do for the website > that are being delayed. Others have suggested I just leave the lists > but frankly, I can't since I think it's important to have posts on > here stating what we're doing and why, especially from those of us > who are working hard for this. Every time I post I get notes from > both friends and other Antiochians I've never met saying 'Thank you' > or 'Thats what I was gonna say' which is encouraging since I wonder > sometimes if it's just me up here in Maine all alone with my opinions. > > > BTW, I think you and whoever else put together www.antiochians.org > > did a > > remarkable job. Congratulations! I will switch to that site for > > now on. > > I'm just one person on a large team of folks and really most of what > I do isn't visible but thank you for the complements and keep > checking in, there's lots of stuff in the works and it's my hope that > antiochians.org will not only assist in saving the college but will > also be a major utility in keeping it going in the future. The alumni > are a huge resource that I think the campus has barely tapped in the > past and I hope that antiochians.org can help the 'new Antioch' > utilize this. > > I look forward to chatting with you on the forums over there. Thanks > for your polite note in response to my post. > > -Matt '92 > Still humming 'Mary Ellen Carter' by Stan Rogers > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From pas0705 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 12:37:14 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Mon Jul 9 12:49:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- Jonah Liebert wrote: > Laura, > Here, you are > suggesting that the decline > in enrollment over the past 30+ years was directly > caused by poor or > negligent University stewardship. I suggested no such thing. I indicated that the people who's job it is to adequately forecast and *respond to* what happens in the 4 years AFTER you have an enrolling class of 60 students (1/3 what was budgeted), failed in their job. IF enrollment is to blame. Do the math. IF enrollment is a budgetary crisis today, it was a precipitated by that entering class. By all outward appearances, there were no measures taken to respond to the challenge presented by that entering class. Properly responding to that would have put the College in a better position to respond to the impact of low retention as well. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From tgseto at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 12:48:51 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:01:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Message-ID: If every college and university were closed because there was sex between fqculty and students, hardly a residential campus would remain. In other words such behavior is often harmful but very common. Art Dole From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 9 12:54:22 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:07:07 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "And here you are Dawn and Thelma, attacking people who wish to stop it and supporting people who wish to destroy our home." Excuse me...how did I get in the same sentence with Thelma????? From jonahliebert at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 13:06:26 2007 From: jonahliebert at gmail.com (Jonah Liebert) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:19:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Laura, It is somewhat unfair, in my humble opinion, to attribute our current crisis to the past 3 or 4 years of university stewardship. This is not to say that the leadership did a great job, as they clearly didn't, but it is to say that this problem seems far more complex and longer than the past few years. With all due respect, I don't know when you graduated, but I was there in the years leading up to the Renewal Commission (99-03) and the story was anything but a thriving college. We were in the red in almost any possible indicator. Enrollment: The mantra during part of my time was "800 students by the year 2000." We failed. This was the mantra because we learned that we needed at least 800, although 1000 was considered the safe amount, students to survive. By this metric, we were in a perpetual state of crisis for about 30 years, since enrollment plummeted in the 70's. Bob enrollment data make this readily apparent. Faculty: I'd love to know the turnover rate, but I can tell you that I outlasted nearly all of my professors. In fact the curriculum was in a constant state of flux because we kept losing the professors we needed to offer certain majors. I changed mid way through from sociology to political science because my favorite professor left. Administration: we went through, what, 3 or 4 presidents in something like 5 years time. That fact should speak for itself. Accreditation: this I am not sure of, but I did hear from someone that we were even at risk of losing our accreditation in 2002 or 2003, presumably, because our college was in such dire shape. Perhaps someone here can verify this? In fact, I would argue that the Renewal Commission was a "hail marry (sp)" of sorts. It was a final hurrah, a last ditch effort to avoid an impending crisis, to try to revive a college that was in a perpetual state of decline. And, yes, it obviously failed miserably. An institution in a perpetual state of decline needs a serious overhaul and a clear vision for the future. That, I sincerely believe, is step 1. Wait, I said that about a million times already. Sorry to sound repititve, but that seems to be the only way to get the message across. Cheers, Jonah On 7/9/07, Laura Fathauer wrote: > > > --- Jonah Liebert wrote: > > > Laura, > > Here, you are > > suggesting that the decline > > in enrollment over the past 30+ years was directly > > caused by poor or > > negligent University stewardship. > > I suggested no such thing. > > I indicated that the people who's job it is to > adequately forecast and *respond to* what happens in > the 4 years AFTER you have an enrolling class of 60 > students (1/3 what was budgeted), failed in their job. > IF enrollment is to blame. > > Do the math. > > IF enrollment is a budgetary crisis today, it was a > precipitated by that entering class. By all outward > appearances, there were no measures taken to respond > to the challenge presented by that entering class. > Properly responding to that would have put the College > in a better position to respond to the impact of low > retention as well. > > -l > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of > spyware protection. > http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 9 13:09:11 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:21:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is Duffy....Dear Laura and Jonah. The recent very steep decline in enrollment came from several factors.. February cuts (aka the stabilization plan) and the Renewal plan happened during the same month in whatever year that was. and mold and remediation problems connected to horribly done subcontracting..added to the attrition figures.... The new plan was also rushed into being a year early...and it was hard to market it when the product was still being tweaked. A new car with no instrument panel....no steering wheel, yet. Come take it for a test drive, eh. We will put the steering wheel in soon.... add to that a little extra angry feminization and some unresolved anger connected to the college's long term failure to deal with institutional racism... too much change at once.....too much the same at once... and neglectful governance...maybe benign....certainly governance too far removed and diverted to several campuses.... and to finish the recipe..lots of alums withholding monies because they never have liked the idea of the satellities. not sending money or their grandkids... Years of little control in our governance and too litrtle revenue..both from enrollment and donors... the band aids in the budget were stretching more and more every time the budget committee met..it made me worry...I kept telling folks and everyone thought it was gonna be okay. But folks at the top never thought to ask for help from 14,000 alums... sorta pitiful..... Whether we close or don't it will be like starting over.........every day is tough here btw.. many of us have worked for the College for decades.....and this is terrible for all of us. and as little money and students as we have had...folks have done wonders.........both on the teaching and learning ends. Duffy From skooter3 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 13:10:13 2007 From: skooter3 at gmail.com (Christian Skotte) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:22:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: <101844.59918.qm@web63913.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Declining enrollment doesn't just happen, but I assert that there three historical reasons why Antioch's enrollment dropped from the the highs of the late 60s that were completely out of Antioch's control. 1) Hampshire and Evergreen. Today Hampshire and Evergreen are Antioch's biggest cross app schools. In other words, students who apply to Antioch also apply to these two school in the highest percentage. Hampshire admitted its first student in 1970, Evergreen started in 1971. It's reasonable to assume that many of the students who eventually attended these two institutions would have attended Antioch instead. 2) The changing nature of elite colleges and their admissions practices. Malcom Gladwell has a great articleabout how the ivies shifted from a closed system that favored Northeastern WASPs to a more national system that was inclusive to people of many different backgrounds. Many of the students who attended Antioch in the 60s would have had a very difficult time attending an Ivy League school -- not because they weren't very smart, but because they attended Bronx Science instead of Philips Andover. Once the ivies became relatively attainable to people from diverse backgrounds, those schools that had happily lived off of what the Ivies ignored needed to look for new types of students. 3) The Vietnam war. Because of draft defferments, college enrollment was at an alltime high in the late 60s and early 70s. After the draft ended, enrollments dropped everywhere. Antioch's enrollment during the 90s and the oughts may have been unexpectedly low, but the enrollments during the 60s were unexpectedly high. The problem is figuring out what the"right size" is for Antioch and trying to get enrollment to that point. Skooter On 7/9/07, Jonah Liebert wrote: > > Laura, > > Declining Enrollment is an indicator of a major problem at any college > that > relies on enrollment as its primary source of revenue, but what caused the > decline? Enrollment does not decline for about 30 years of its own > volition; there must be a reason. Here, you are suggesting that the > decline > in enrollment over the past 30+ years was directly caused by poor or > negligent University stewardship. That is really hard to believe. The NY > Times suggested that we got too liberal for our own good. I think that is > also hard to believe. But there maybe truth in both perspectives. > > From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 13:14:20 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:27:03 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: again my mistake very sorry "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti >From: Dawn Scribner >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:54:22 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu ([199.218.254.156]) by >bay0-mc12-f5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 >Jul 2007 09:54:32 -0700 >Received: from w3.antioch.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1])by w3.antioch.edu >(Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DAB606E325;Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net(smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net >[64.202.165.192])by w3.antioch.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 5731B606E305for >; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:07:05 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 8084 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 16:54:28 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO >smtpout08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net)(64.202.165.12)by >smtpout02-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP;9 Jul 2007 16:54:28 >-0000 >Received: (qmail 11520 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 16:54:23 -0000 >Received: from unknown (76.103.24.20)by >smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.12) with ESMTP;09 Jul >2007 16:54:23 -0000 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW40WvunsQQzKENZwipJmjkuSFMUlJUqZ8/jv5swE2qI0jkMuGGvHc/UH >X-Original-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Delivered-To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 >X-BeenThere: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Alumni Chat List >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >Return-Path: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 16:54:33.0022 (UTC) >FILETIME=[D2E8C5E0:01C7C249] > >"And here you are Dawn and Thelma, attacking people who wish to stop it and >supporting people who wish to destroy our home." > >Excuse me...how did I get in the same sentence with Thelma????? > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu Mon Jul 9 13:29:17 2007 From: Christopher.Adams at jefferson.edu (Christopher Adams) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:42:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <410541.64983.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20070709131341.00bed9d8@imap.jefferson.edu> I am sorry to focus on you, Jonah, but this has become ludicrous. The crimes are easy to see in the numbers Bob presented (which if you don't believe him are easily checked. I don't care enough to do so). There weren't enough students at Antioch College. The numbers hardly significantly changed from the late seventies until the renewal. Whose fault is that? Upper management. The other problem: no development. Whose fault? Upper management. It is really that simple. Those are both problems that you throw money at. If it doesn't work, throw more money. When has admissions ever had a reasonable budget. Antioch was not well publicized when I applied in 83 and I doubt anything has changed. I am confident that the people working in admissions worked as hard as they could. But, again, I am sure that the number working and their budgets were miniscule compared to any other college (and certainly compared to Antiochs peers). How do you fix? by changing the curriculum? No spend more money on recruitment. It is just that simple. Don't have the money? Then borrow money and spend it on development. You have to spend money to raise money. It is anecdotal, but when my brother and I attended Antioch, our parents donated money to the school every year. They continued when we left, and would be still donating today, but for one thing. No one sent them the form. They just lost contact. They still live in the same house. It shouldn't be hard, but it wasn't done. Mismanagement, pure and simple. The rest of this crap is just that. You got an axe to grind from your time there, great, but I don't care. I have better things to do. I would like to see a plan for keeping the school open which I haven't heard. I have heard a lot of bluster, but the recent statement from the University indicates that the frontal approach by the alumni is doomed to failure. The fact of the matter is that money, like time, is precious. If you use the half a million on legal fees, what goes to the college? Sorry, maybe I just have crisis fatigue C Adams '87 At 01:06 PM 7/9/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Laura, > >It is somewhat unfair, in my humble opinion, to attribute our current crisis >to the past 3 or 4 years of university stewardship. This is not to say that >the leadership did a great job, as they clearly didn't, but it is to say >that this problem seems far more complex and longer than the past few >years. > >With all due respect, I don't know when you graduated, but I was there in >the years leading up to the Renewal Commission (99-03) and the story was >anything but a thriving college. We were in the red in almost any possible >indicator. > >Enrollment: The mantra during part of my time was "800 students by the year >2000." We failed. This was the mantra because we learned that we needed at >least 800, although 1000 was considered the safe amount, students to >survive. By this metric, we were in a perpetual state of crisis for about >30 years, since enrollment plummeted in the 70's. Bob enrollment data make >this readily apparent. > >Faculty: I'd love to know the turnover rate, but I can tell you that I >outlasted nearly all of my professors. In fact the curriculum was in a >constant state of flux because we kept losing the professors we needed to >offer certain majors. I changed mid way through from sociology to political >science because my favorite professor left. > >Administration: we went through, what, 3 or 4 presidents in something like 5 >years time. That fact should speak for itself. > >Accreditation: this I am not sure of, but I did hear from someone that we >were even at risk of losing our accreditation in 2002 or 2003, presumably, >because our college was in such dire shape. Perhaps someone here can verify >this? > >In fact, I would argue that the Renewal Commission was a "hail marry (sp)" >of sorts. It was a final hurrah, a last ditch effort to avoid an impending >crisis, to try to revive a college that was in a perpetual state of >decline. And, yes, it obviously failed miserably. > >An institution in a perpetual state of decline needs a serious overhaul and >a clear vision for the future. That, I sincerely believe, is step 1. Wait, >I said that about a million times already. Sorry to sound repititve, but >that seems to be the only way to get the message across. > >Cheers, >Jonah > > >On 7/9/07, Laura Fathauer wrote: >> >> >>--- Jonah Liebert wrote: >> >> > Laura, >> > Here, you are >> > suggesting that the decline >> > in enrollment over the past 30+ years was directly >> > caused by poor or >> > negligent University stewardship. >> >>I suggested no such thing. >> >>I indicated that the people who's job it is to >>adequately forecast and *respond to* what happens in >>the 4 years AFTER you have an enrolling class of 60 >>students (1/3 what was budgeted), failed in their job. >>IF enrollment is to blame. >> >>Do the math. >> >>IF enrollment is a budgetary crisis today, it was a >>precipitated by that entering class. By all outward >>appearances, there were no measures taken to respond >>to the challenge presented by that entering class. >>Properly responding to that would have put the College >>in a better position to respond to the impact of low >>retention as well. >> >>-l >> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of >>spyware protection. >>http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat Christopher S. Adams, Ph.D Department of Orthopaedic Surgery Room 501 1015 Walnut St. Philadelphia, PA 19107 Phone: 1-215-955-8754 Fax: 1-215-955-9159 From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 9 13:38:56 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 9 13:51:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm sick of the personal attacks on this list and this one is especially offensive. There were several professors who had relationships with students at Antioch during the 80's (and probably the 60's and 70's for that matter,) and more then one resulted in marriage. Appropriate? Probably not. Relevant to how we keep the college open today? ABSOLUTELY not. On 7/8/07 7:37 PM, "GoodmanD@gtlaw.com" wrote: > I would like to add another $.02 to the discussion Thelma Seto and Sonia > Jaffe Robbins have (thankfully) been developing about finding out what > went wrong with the college. In addition, I have strong feelings (that > are not necessarily positive) about the leadership Bob Devine has and > continues to provide to students of the college. > > Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to ignore > it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > happening. Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > discussion. One post I read a few days ago had a person describing why > a particular type of person would not be interested in Antioch. Though > I don't have time to go through the archives to find it, I'd like to > point out that Antioch should be the type of college in which all > different types of people would be interested. A great educational > environment would necessarily include a continuing dialogue representing > multiple political and cultural views. That should be the goal. There > was a republican guy in my dorm the quarter I entered. He was quite > interesting and always had a great take on political arguments. He > added much to everyone's learning. His views differed greatly from mine > and I'm really glad he was around to express them. > > What I'm reading in recent student posts is very frightening. Can you > guys not see that something obviously DID go wrong and needs to be > fixed? The way to fix it is not to classify the dissenting posters as > "out of touch" but rather a deep look into what has gone on for the last > number of years is absolutely called for. If I hear another person > refer to the fact that there were 600 students on campus before the > renewal plan came into effect, I'll scream OR TYPE IN CAPS. Even under > the reign of Bob, big problems existed. Whoever was in charge of > development and alumni relations during those years (and I don't know > who that was) was certainly not on the ball. You wouldn't believe the > number of alumni from my years who complained they were not getting > mailings, etc. This persisted despite some people contacting the > college to get back in the loop. This is a cardinal sin in college > fundraising. Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > educational institution. > > The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie Cary > (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. This is > sad because I think Callie is one of the nicest people I've ever met and > more than that, she's genuine....but I must say this. I went to 3 > reunions in the past 5 years. I was always disappointed in the > disorganization with regard to fundraising at these events. There were > many occasions where I was talking with alumni who wanted to donate > money to the college but nobody was there to take it. The first two > were under the Devine administration and the last one I attended was > during the tenure of Joan Straumanis. During all 3, there was never a > consistency with respect to a staff member present at each event at a > small table (for example) with a sign or something that read, "Donate > Here." Huge oversight in my estimation. Reunion is a wonderful time > for fundraising....every Antiochian for the last few generations has to > be aware that money was tight and sorely needed. Lots of older folks > attend and they probably (for the most part) have a lot more money to > donate than the younger ones. This does not seem like rocket > science...just common sense. Why was there not an organized group of > college staff people working (or volunteering) at these reunions making > sure a rep. was always around to answer questions and take donations? > Can't fathom it really. Should someone be made a high level employee of > the college without prior professional experience in the field? I think > not. Did Callie, for example, have any professional experience outside > of Antioch before she became one of the higher ranking employees (other > than faculty) there? I don't know but I don't think so. Was nepotism a > factor in her employment? > > I always made a point of trying to engage as many students as possible > in conversation to see what they were up to, what were their impressions > of the college, plans for the future, etc. What I did see is a very > cult-like following for Bob Devine who was (and obviously still is) > enormously popular with the students. When I'd walk around in the dorms > and knock on doors and introduce myself, I occasionally found a student > or two who would be willing to speak out against the zeit-geist...in the > privacy of a dorm room. > > Here's my view: I am a graduate of the class of '83. During my years > at Antioch, I really fell in love with the place but there were a few > things I REALLY hated. Top on my list was the number of male professors > who were making passes at/getting involved with female students. Bob > Devine was certainly among them. He was sleeping with at least one > friend of mine (a fellow student) before he got together with Callie and > I'd venture to guess there were probably many more. He was really > slick....I was an eyewitness. He was not the only professor who > exhibited this outrageous behavior but he certainly was the only one who > went on to become president of the college. In my book, any professor > who sleeps with students has a fundamental lack of judgment. No > exceptions. I understand it had subsequently been deemed against the > rules for teachers to be involved with students. I'm not sure if that > happened during Bob's tenure but if it did, I imagine he was relieved > that he already married Callie. If he was the person hat made that rule > (and I don't know that he was) that would be pathetic. > > Many students I spoke with during my trips to reunion were not aware of > this situation and some seemed shocked. So be it. I was told many > times about what a "cool guy" Bob was and how he had these weekly pizza > parties with the students. Pizza is nice but fundraising and > professionalism would have been nicer, in my estimate. Also, allowing > the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > absolutely unthinkable. It then spread to the outside of buildings. I > saw this with my own eyes. That any so-called president of a college > would allow such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Also, any student > that thinks that is art is simply full of shit, in my opinion. > > Now, reading this chat list, I see Bob absolutely trashing Steve Lawry > and the BoT (who I believe he was very comfortable being cozy with > before he was appointed interim president) and quoting all sorts of > statistics and to use his word, "data." Well, I don't have faith in > your data, Bob, because I don't have any faith in you. Yes, you're a > smooth talker but I suspect you are a much larger part of the problem of > Antioch's demise than a beacon of hope for the future. Personally, I > think the BoT has not provided adequate stewardship for the college and > I believe some kind of separation from them is necessary but I wonder if > Steve Lawry were to leave, who could we trust to lead the college. > Certainly not the ever-smarmy yet elegant Bob Devine, I hope. Neither > would I feel comfortable handing it over to someone who has not yet been > involved with the college. > > Some time early last week I posted a rather lengthy message asking if > there was a coordinator to bring our whole "Save Antioch" thing > together. In my post, I mentioned a number of ideas, among them, that > Steve Lawry seemed to be a hardworking advocate for the college who I > believe is on the right track (knowing full well that when I mentioned > that I'd be hated by the Devine devotees) and also that we should seek a > truly diverse student body where even a woman who shaved her armpits and > legs and wore make-up would be made to feel comfortable. That was, as > has come up in this list before, metaphor. I received one or two > supportive posts but what was most notable, it seems, in my post was the > armpit/make-up phrase. I was accused of being homophobic by a recent > student because of this phrase. That homophobia discussion was then > picked up a couple of days later by another student. Go figure. I > believe this is the type of culture that some people may see as "toxic." > I know I do. The person who accused me did not address what I was > really talking about....she simply went on about the homophobia of it > all. What a waste of time. > > I've also heard tales of students having weapons at school and thinking > that is OK. I've heard tales of students threatening other students and > thinking that is OK. I'm very, very troubled about that. The Nike > incident I hear about is ridiculous. Is Antioch all style and no > substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > into. > > Look, I'm sure there are still at least a few wonderful students there. > Why are the others so afraid to do a little community research? Are you > afraid of what you might find? > > Debra '83 > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by > the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise > specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be > used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue > Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters > addressed herein. > > > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and > confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) > named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the > original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an > email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > From aadole at adelphia.net Mon Jul 9 16:58:06 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:15:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] DC report Message-ID: Things are cooking in the District! Art Dole From dlbahr at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 14:06:44 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:19:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant In-Reply-To: <8F758FC9-6574-40DE-954E-9E507846AC11@gridworkdesign.com> Message-ID: Sorry Seamus. I am not in a composition class. Weed away all you want. I hope you do not pull up the vine in all your picking and pulling. I am a babbling brook, no doubt. Please take your critical eye and succinctness and do a hatchet job. I am going to keep babbling and I hope some fresh waters renew the flow of some stagnating waters. Check out Jon Sims effort in 1991. Remembering is important. Some work is exhausting, but necessary. Lesley A. Pownall BFA '83 Buffalo, MN >From: Seamus Holman >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:17:16 -0700 > >These stream of consciousness emails are exhausting. A helpful reminder >from The Elements of Style, "Omit needless words." > >Seamus '00 > >On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:09 AM, dl bahr wrote: > >>I am not sure I should say anything at this moment... >>"What goes around, Comes around." Of course which point you start at >>makes a difference about what point you come back round to. >> >>I can also state that I have not participated in this chat because I am >>angry and frustrated with life. I am also not one to make statements >>about others unless I have experience of others. Neither am I going to >>defend people when I do not know them. It is impersonal for me. >> >>I graduated from Antioch in 1983. I lived in the Village from >>1981-1991--first as a non residential student and later as a resident who >>worked many places in the town and had more than one context of viewing >>the place. Although, Antioch was struggling all along--when I left town >>things had improved at the college. Does anyone remember African >>American Cultural Week 1991? and a young man, an Antiochian, named John >>C. Sims? I certainly do, I was working at the Morgan House Bed and >>Breakfast and got serenaded by a bluesman named RL Burnside (may he rest >>in peace--recently passed) as I served breakfast. I scrambled to make >>enough beds and cots for The Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus. Mr. >>Threadgill was composing as I dusted around his music stand and all those >>tuba cases. Does anybody remember? One of my all time favorite movies, >>Yaaba, was playing at the Little Art Theatre where I sold tickets. Does >>anyone remember all those panel discussions that took place between April >>14-April 21, 1991? If you don't I suggest you learn about it. J >> >>ohn Sims had studied in Germany through AEA. He had gone on the combined >>coop/study program that took students to the Sea Islands, King Center, >>and small communities in the South. He came back and organized a >>tremendous project, got grant monies, and showed Yellow Springs and >>Antioch what it could be--a regional, cultural power house of >>tradition--for African American Culture. The model could be used for >>other streams of culture that flow through the campus and the town. Bob >>Fogarty certainly did at least one wonderful forum in celebrating the >>Antioch Review anniversary--I served many of those literati their >>breakfast--a very nice bunch. I could see so much that could be >>celebrated and promoted in our tradition. Mr Sims certainly showed us >>how it could be done with a strong enough will and some organizational >>ability. >> >>So when I left, heading North to get some fresh air and space, I remember >>a vibrant time--even though the campus was struggling. Not more than one >>or two years later I am reading about SOPP in the Duluth paper. Hmmm >>What's going on back home? Hmmm Why am I reading about this all the way >>up here? Who is handling Antioch's PR? I wonder, did anyone in Duluth >>get to read about Yellow Springs African American Cultural 1991? I don't >>think so. But why two years later am I reading about SOPP in Duluth of >>all places? I won't even discuss the reaction to certain commencement >>speakers. I did not read about Coretta Scott King getting a Horace Mann >>award in 2003 or 2004, but I hear she gave a phenomonal speech. If it >>got press, maybe it just did not reach as far a MN. >> >>I was not involved in AIF, but as an alumni trying to catch up on what >>has occurred since I left town, I certainly am interested in their >>efforts because of my understanding of the long history of struggle >>between the College and the Network. I came to Antioch in Sept of 1979 >>when faculty were not being paid! I have also studied some of the >>history of the Strike, because of the deep wounds. I remember one >>admission staff person who came back to Antioch in the early 80's because >>he realized what a blow to campus the Strike had been and he wanted to >>help REBUILD. Things were getting better. When I juxtapose where >>Antioch was when I came/Where Antioch was when I left/What has happened >>Since--I can't help but conclude that some of what has gone down has to >>do with leadership on the ground. We had the same crazy University in >>1980's, We had low enrollment, We had pc/identity politics...something >>else has been going on there that has made things get to the point we are >>soon to have Antioch College close...maybe for good. >> >>For the first time, since I left, I started getting some information from >>the College. It is the first time, as an alumni I have received >>anything. Sure I have not made a HUGE effort to stay in touch, but I >>have to conclude that this is partly because leadership has changed. >>Somebody on the ground is thinking about alumni---rather than attacking >>them...how did you word it Callie? "bitter, righteous, narrow-minded and >>elitist and full of assumptions based on hearsay". Come on, these are >>alumni and faculty who care about the place and spent years of time and >>energy going out to gain support for Antioch College. Now maybe some >>things were not handled the best, I certainly was not there, but after >>reading, listening, and communicating with AIF I do not agree with your >>characterization. I wonder if the statement about glass houses and >>stones is appropriate...probably not...Humpty Dumpty...maybe...I seem to >>see old Humpty falling off those towers---splat...all over the front >>campus...with plenty of activist Antiochians on the ground trying to get >>him cleaned up and put back together again. >> >>You can't fix and market a solution, unless you get on the same page with >>the problem. Longitudinal problems are not going to be mended by quick >>fixes and a bunch of positive spin press releases. It might not even be >>repaired by alumni giving lots of money...maybe. It certainly won't get >>very far without alumni. Whatever plans are put together on the ground >>or by faculty. Saying this does not make someone an elitist snob: I am >>a farmers wife and a receptionist! Are you going to call me an elitist >>snob? I certainly can make my claims into both the blue collar and the >>college elite...This is not about one person's family nor their class >>standing...it is not about one generation of Antiochians...many of us >>have claims to the place...many of us have called it home before 2007 and >>I certainly hope after 2007. >> >>Lesley A Pownall Bahr, BFA, 1983 >>Buffalo, Minnesota >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Callie Cary" >>>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>>To: "Alumni Chat List" >>>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant >>>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:45:03 -0400 >>> >>>Yea, a bit risky for me to post anything, right? My name has just been >>>dragged through the proverbial slim. Just when you thought it was as >>>murky as it could get (thanks Thelma) these waters just become truly >>>rancid and the sharks have moved in. Clearly, this forum is providing >>>some folks with an outlet for their anger and overall frustration with >>>life. >>> >>>I am reminded of why I had such trouble with the AIF (and some of my >>>classmates as well) - the tone of the spokespeople was often bitter, >>>righteous, narrow-minded, elitist and full of assumptions based on >>>hearsay. Again, I see facts being fabricated about watershed moments >>>in Antioch's history - the strikes, the dark-skinned mannequin that >>>hung from a noose on a TREE (not a leaning on a bike) less than a few >>>weeks after a cross burning appeared in the area, Mumia, the SOPP and >>>it goes on and on... >>> >>>As for the obsession some folks have with Bob Devine, sorry girls and >>>boys, he's been taken for more than 20 years and we feel fortunate to >>>have little boy. Yea, "cult boy" is doing fine and this brainless >>>little girl with more than 24 years of administrative experience is >>>doing OK too. Isn't it interesting when women see the need to >>>publicly trash another...someone they see as "genuine?" Well boo hoo >>>honey. Get you own life together and move on. >>> >>>To the folks lurking out there and to those engaged in the occasional >>>constructive discussion on this forum, good luck, but I would say >>>don't waist your time expecting much action. I'll be working through >>>the Yellow Springs group-face-to-face and checking into >>>antiochians.org. >>> >>>What goes around, comes around. Signing off this forum... >>> >>>Callie >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- >>us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >>Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From tgseto at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 14:19:47 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Mon Jul 9 14:32:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skooter-- <1) Hampshire and Evergreen. [...] students who apply to Antioch also apply to these two school in the highest percentage. Hampshire admitted its first student in 1970, Evergreen started in 1971. It's reasonable to assume that many of the students who eventually attended these two institutions would have attended Antioch instead. Many in my entering class applied to Hampshire and Evergreen. They were accepted at all three, but Antioch was their first choice. We also had some refugees from Hampshire, as I recall, later on. I think Hampshire and Evergreen's openings indicate an increased interest in this kind of education. As far as I know, they are not closed or in danger of closure? <2) The changing nature of elite colleges and their admissions practices. [...] about how the ivies shifted from a closed system that favored Northeastern WASPs to a more national system that was inclusive to people of many different backgrounds. Many of the students who attended Antioch in the 60s would have had a very difficult time attending an Ivy League school -- not because they weren't very smart, but because they attended Bronx Science instead of Philips Andover. Once the ivies became relatively attainable to people from diverse backgrounds, those schools that had happily lived off of what the Ivies ignored needed to look for new types of students. I beg to differ. My family is neither WASP nor monied. My brother attended Harvard in the 60's. Harvard was actually more affordable for him, due to their endowment, than Antioch was for me, despite Antioch's then-generous financial aid. I suspect many of those who attended in the 60's chose Antioch because of its educational philosophy, and not because they couldn't get into the Ivy Leagues. Harvard had its own riots, sit-ins, etc. It also had some very angry alumni and a huge endowment (that was threatened by those alumni) that helped curb unrest. <3) The Vietnam war. Because of draft defferments, college enrollment was at an alltime high in the late 60s and early 70s. After the draft ended, enrollments dropped everywhere. Interest rates were around 22% when I graduated in 1977. Although the issue of draft deferment may have played a role in declining admissions at Antioch (and it ended shortly after I entered in 1972, if I am remembering correctly, though I'm not sure the exact date), the economy was a serious issue for all of us, whether we went to college or not. It was a major factor in the decision to attend grad school (as it is now) for many of those graduating with me. I suspect inflation played a role in declining admissions. Certainly, a difficult economy did. This was during the US' difficulties with OPEC and long, LONG gas lines, and "high" (for the times--laughable now) gas prices. It seems to me the similarity to our current geopolitical situation cannot be ignored. We don't have a draft now, but we do have declining college enrollment of young men across the board. We are once again in wars over oil. Gas prices are high, despite having dropped recently, and this affects all segments of the economy. I also think the kind of student attracted to Antioch was not attending to escape the draft. They were there for more positive reasons than that: They wanted an Antioch education. Message-ID: <521867.92809.qm@web63914.mail.re1.yahoo.com> "The financial projections of the renewal commission were based upon anticipated enrollment of 170 new first-year and 46 transfer students in 2005-06 and another 170 new first-year and 46 transfer students in 2006-07.7 As indicated in the chart below, the actual enrollment of new students for both years was devastatingly low, ***particularly in 2005-06 in which there were only 60 new first-year students and no transfer students.*** Since the retention rate of transfer students is usually higher than the retention rate of incoming first-year students, this complete default in garnering new transfer students was especially injurious." "Of course, the small size of the first-year class exacerbates overall enrollment deficiencies for a four year period until the class graduates. *******It is not surprising therefore that the overall enrollment of the College has continued to decline over the past several years...*****" "In addition, the retention rates among students has continued to decline....." "As the College?s enrollment declined, so also did its tuition revenue despite significant increases in tuition rates and fees. Between FY 2002-03 and FY 2006-07 tuition revenue as a percent of the total revenue of the College has dropped from 50% to approximately 30%.... ***As a result,*** the College experienced a $1.4 million operating deficit in FY 2005-2006 and a $5.395 million operating deficit in FY 2006-07." Source: University Declaration of Financial Exigency, prepared prior to the June Board of Trustees meeting (6-5-07) (emphasis added) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Imabused at aol.com Mon Jul 9 15:02:11 2007 From: Imabused at aol.com (Imabused@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:15:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator? Message-ID: Thanks for your replies, yes I see that the other site is much better for ? communication, that is wonderful. I understand there are multiple committees working on various aspects of this project. Do others besides just me and one other poster here feel that we need a point person to coordinate all these efforts together? And to pull people in, respond to people, etc? There's such a lot of strong emotion going on, and so many points of view. It's hard to see people attacking each other. If people feel heard they may be able to direct that strong energy toward rebuilding the school... Hang in all, Jane Slater Class of '80 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From skooter3 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:02:34 2007 From: skooter3 at gmail.com (Christian Skotte) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:15:14 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 7/9/07, Thelma Seto wrote: > > Skooter-- > > > Many in my entering class applied to Hampshire and Evergreen. They were > accepted at all three, but Antioch was their first choice. This continues to be the case. A very large plurality of Antioch students (probably much higher than during your class) applied and were admitted to Evergreen and Hampshire. The point is that these schools didn't really exist in any meaningful way in the early 70s, and if they hadn't opened many of the students who attended them in the late 70s through today would have gone to Antioch. It's speculation, of course, but it's awfully likely. We also had some > refugees from Hampshire, as I recall, later on. I think Hampshire and > Evergreen's openings indicate an increased interest in this kind of > education. I think the interest was probably from educational reformers, not neccesarily from students. As far as I know, they are not closed or in danger of closure? No. Hampshire's endowment is about what Antioch's is, but fortunately (for them) they have 1,200 or so students, and the tuition revenue they receive from each student is much higher than Antioch receives from its students (Hampshire is more expensive and gives less financial aid). Evergreen is a public institution so has different kinds of challenges, but is much less dependent on tuition. <2) The changing nature of elite colleges and their admissions practices. > [...] about > how the ivies shifted from a closed system that favored Northeastern > WASPs to a more national system that was inclusive to people of many > different backgrounds. Many of the students who attended Antioch in the > 60s > would have had a very difficult time attending an Ivy League school -- not > because they weren't very smart, but because they attended Bronx Science > instead of Philips Andover. Once the ivies became relatively attainable to > people from diverse backgrounds, those schools that had happily lived off > of > what the Ivies ignored needed to look for new types of students. > > I beg to differ. My family is neither WASP nor monied. My brother > attended > Harvard in the 60's. Harvard was actually more affordable for him, due to > their endowment, than Antioch was for me, despite Antioch's then-generous > financial aid. I suspect many of those who attended in the 60's chose > Antioch because of its educational philosophy, and not because they > couldn't > get into the Ivy Leagues. Harvard had its own riots, sit-ins, etc. It > also > had some very angry alumni and a huge endowment (that was threatened by > those alumni) that helped curb unrest. I'm sure there were many non-WASPs who attended Harvard in the 60s, and many more who could have gotten in had they applied. My point is that most students from non-WASP backgrounds didn't even consider Harvard because it was still a WASP-y outpost in the 60s. Colleges like Antioch were the benificiary of the short-sighted admissions policies of the Ivy League. <3) The Vietnam war. Because of draft defferments, college enrollment was at > an alltime high in the late 60s and early 70s. After the draft ended, > enrollments dropped everywhere. > > Interest rates were around 22% when I graduated in 1977. Although the > issue > of draft deferment may have played a role in declining admissions Sorry to nitpick, but I think you mean declining enrollment. at Antioch > (and it ended shortly after I entered in 1972, if I am remembering > correctly, though I'm not sure the exact date), the economy was a serious > issue for all of us, whether we went to college or not. It was a major > factor in the decision to attend grad school (as it is now) for many of > those graduating with me. I suspect inflation played a role in declining > admissions. Certainly, a difficult economy did. This was during the US' > difficulties with OPEC and long, LONG gas lines, and "high" (for the > times--laughable now) gas prices. It seems to me the similarity to our > current geopolitical situation cannot be ignored. We don't have a draft > now, but we do have declining college enrollment of young men across the > board. We are once again in wars over oil. Gas prices are high, despite > having dropped recently, and this affects all segments of the economy. I > also think the kind of student attracted to Antioch was not attending to > escape the draft. They were there for more positive reasons than that: > They wanted an Antioch education. Again, I'm not talking about specific people, I'm talking about an abstracted population. The number of students in college rose during the Vietnam War. The draft may not have been a major factor, but I think it would be foolish to discount it out of hand. > been unexpectedly low, but the enrollments during the 60s were > unexpectedly > high. > > Wrong decade, I believe. 70's. Sorry, I meant to say late 60s, early 70s. The reason the enrollments were so high, as > far as I was told at the time (high population density on campus was one > of > many causes postulated for the 1973 strike), was that Antioch was running > in > the red and needed the extra tuition to cover previous borrowing and/or > deficits. They increased the student body for cash flow reasons. This > contributed to the powder keg that became the 1973 strike, which is a very > complicated subject and I don't pretend to understand all of it. The > bottom-line was that some (don't know the percentage) students had to > leave > because financial aid programs were slashed. After the strike, enrollment > was increased by lowering admissions standards; this was reflected in the > classroom when I returned in 1974, after a year off to assess the > situation. > The combination of financial aid programs being slashed, lowered > standards, and general campus anarchy, led to about a third of my entering > P-group to transfer elsewhere by fall of 1973. By the time I graduated, > only a third to one-half of my P-group had earned a degree at Antioch. I can't speak to any of this as I'm very far from knowledgable about the strike. Skooter From Imabused at aol.com Mon Jul 9 15:37:04 2007 From: Imabused at aol.com (Imabused@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:49:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. Message-ID: To Gerry, Awesome post, yes I am finding in every area of my corner of the world that the "style over substance" is emerging more and more. And the process has become corrupt. It must be changed throughout the system. Good job on this post, it really was excellent. Jane Slater Ashland, OR ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From tgseto at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 15:38:41 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Mon Jul 9 15:51:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skooter-- Message-ID: Pardon me, Gerry, but your statement above seems very George Bushian. Is there no room for dissent? You had a similar response to a post I put on the Antioch 92 chatlist last year about how I thought students sticking up for a person (or a few people...excuse my lapse in memory) who brought a large quantity of illegal drugs on campus should have been thrown out of school (it being illegal and all and even probably against official college rules)! The posters there were whining about how Antioch should have accepted this way of bringing down the price of pot for the individuals who created a type of cooperative to harness their collective buying power. I believe you told me something to the effect that the chat list was for graduates from the '90s and I should get my own list. All of that kind of stuff really sheds a positive light on the college and the ingenious methods of working together for the common good, no? Not a bit of a toxic culture, is it? Now, I believe Antioch should move away from the "party school" mode and have some serious discussions about how to fix what's happened there in the last couple of decades (at least). I think with open discourse, this can be done. I also think if we can come up with a plan of how to make the place better, more people will give more money. I know I will. Is there only one opinion we should all have? If so, does it have to be yours? Inquisitively, Debra '83 -------------------------------------------------------- Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 17:36:54 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Mon Jul 9 17:49:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. Message-ID: <946740.61538.qm@web53411.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Now, I believe Antioch should move away from the "party school" mode and I'm sorry, but Whaaaaaa!? One minute we're Animal Farm, the next we're Animal House? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:21:46 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:34:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Presidential Character Assassination. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >Pardon me, Gerry, but your statement above seems very George Bushian. >Is there no room for dissent? You had a similar response to a post I >put on the Antioch 92 chatlist last year about how I thought students >sticking up for a person (or a few people...excuse my lapse in memory) >who brought a large quantity of illegal drugs on campus should have been >thrown out of school (it being illegal and all and even probably against >official college rules)! Back in the Fall of '93 I was hustled by securities to a meeting with the director of housing to be grilled about me dealing drugs to the students in the hall where I was an HA (or PF for your generation). I was not dealing drugs. I had to empty my wallet and show I had no money and no cigareetes to prove that I was not a drug dealer. Thankfully for my education and for the insititution in general I could not be expelled on a rumor of doing this or that. Which is what Lawry did. He violated the civil rights of people based on hearsay and imposed penalty without proof. Is that the kind of open respectful enviroment you want? Second of all... who cares if college students smoke grass. Tell me you never once in your life touched the stuff. >The posters there were whining about how >Antioch should have accepted this way of bringing down the price of pot >for the individuals who created a type of cooperative to harness their >collective buying power. I believe you told me something to the effect >that the chat list was for graduates from the '90s and I should get my >own list. Well... the list was called Antioch92... just sayin... And... well... > >All of that kind of stuff really sheds a positive light on the college >and the ingenious methods of working together for the common good, no? Except that you arent. You are systematically devaluing almost 20 years of good Antiochians and slandering good solid respected people. >Not a bit of a toxic culture, is it? There is this catagoery of object called a mirror... check it. > >Now, I believe Antioch should move away from the "party school" mode and >have some serious discussions about how to fix what's happened there in >the last couple of decades (at least). We've been having that discussion.... ie where is the money, what are the priorities, how is the University Adminstration out of step with our values, how are they lying to us and what are their real plans. These are worthwhile discussions that need to happen for us to have a plan and axis of attack to get the school back in whatever form. >I think with open discourse, >this can be done. In open honest discourse people take respondsabilty for their dvisive and slanderous behavior. >I also think if we can come up with a plan of how to >make the place better, more people will give more money. Working on it thanks. For you, better means the purging of any thought to the left of say... Wesley Clarke (Democratic War Criminal canidate for president '04). > I know I will. > If your money comes at the price of the values of my generation you might find it a hard purchase. > >Is there only one opinion we should all have? If so, does it have to be >yours? It seems like you think it should be yours and the toxic 90s people should shut up and die. Shovel dirt in someone else's face. > >Inquisitively, >Debra '83 Start asking no rhetorical questions if you want actual answers, ----G _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From gerrybello at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 18:38:54 2007 From: gerrybello at hotmail.com (Gerry Bello) Date: Mon Jul 9 18:51:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] BoT attempts to counteract organizing and spread disinformation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I understand that the BoT vice chair will be at the NYC alumni meeting tonite. in North Carolina Art Zucker will be at their next Alumni chapter meeting. I'm concerned about this being a concerted campaign to disrupt organizing and spread disinformation because we all know being accountible is not on their minds. "We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it leaves the stage of history but we are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute." ----Durruti _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 9 19:05:56 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 9 19:18:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved Message-ID: 'bad antioch...no donut" Fucking brilliant! Dawn '83 Oh and btw, everyone from my graduating class was not insane...I swear! From dawn at mediawonk.com Mon Jul 9 20:16:49 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:29:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved Message-ID: Sorry everybody. This was meant for the posters eyes only. 'bad antioch...no donut" .... Dawn '83 From jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 20:29:31 2007 From: jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Terrell) Date: Mon Jul 9 20:42:16 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Don't just complain, get involved Message-ID: Nonetheless, it was reassuring, Dawn. "Oh and btw, everyone from my graduating class was not insane...I swear! "Sorry everybody. This was meant for the posters eyes only."--Dawn _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From michael.heffernan at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 21:37:52 2007 From: michael.heffernan at gmail.com (da-bronx) Date: Mon Jul 9 21:50:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] BoT attempts to counteract organizing and spread disinformation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <920435b0707091837m53bed104t90193ac61c49d00a@mail.gmail.com> Gerry, You're right to be concerned. It's my opinion that they have been doing this from the get-go. Christian Feuerstein, Tim Noble, and myself (and many others) were at the DC chapter meeting to counter the BoT-speak of Larry Stone, another trustee. Penny Lee, '83 from the AB and Risa Grimes of the Alumni Office will be present at the meeting in NYC and I believe Risa will also be at the NC chapter meeting as well. The Alumni Board is aware of the BoT's current strategy and is committed to try and have a representative on behalf of the College, such as an AB member or a staff member such as Risa, be present at chapter meetings as needed in order to provide a strong counterpoint to the BoT message. -Michael, '96 and an AB Member On 7/9/07, Gerry Bello wrote: > > > I understand that the BoT vice chair will be at the NYC alumni meeting > tonite. > > in North Carolina Art Zucker will be at their next Alumni chapter meeting. > > I'm concerned about this being a concerted campaign to disrupt organizing > and spread disinformation because we all know being accountible is not on > their minds. > > -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Ubi dubium, ibi libertas." From Sistersara at aol.com Mon Jul 9 22:14:08 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 22:26:57 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved Message-ID: In a message dated 7/9/2007 2:02:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, skooter3@gmail.com writes: I'm sure there were many non-WASPs who attended Harvard in the 60s, and many more who could have gotten in had they applied. My point is that most students from non-WASP backgrounds didn't even consider Harvard because it was still a WASP-y outpost in the 60s. Colleges like Antioch were the benificiary of the short-sighted admissions policies of the Ivy League. You know many of these comparisons make little sense unless you put them in Context. First of all, until what was it, 1969 -- Harvard and Yale and Brown and Dartmouth and all -- they were all male institutions, with Harvard having Radcliffe down the road. Yes, Harvard had building take overs and all as part of anti-war protests in the 1960's. Most of these events were in the 1968-70 period, and after the draft laws were modified, and then the draft was ended, the types of campus building take over's and all nearly ceased. You had confrontations on many campuses nation wide in 1971 in response to Nixon's extending the war to Cambodia (Remember Kent State and Jackson State) but then in 1972 you find a very significant decrease in Campus Actions. Antioch's strike and the attendant long period when students and faculty were locked out of classrooms and offices and over a million dollars damage was done to college facilities, comes in the spring of 1973. In fact it corresponds with the beginning of the fall of the House of Nixon, as in he was forced to fire his aids, and the Sam Ervin Committee got down to business. In otherwords, the Antioch events are totally out of synch with what was happening on other campuses in comparable time periods. Much of the financial headaches at Antioch were the result of bad projections given financial resources on which the college was dependent, and not on some of the other things suggested. In the early and mid 60's Antioch had been highly favored by foundations interested in both experimentation in Higher Education and in offering higher quality education to African Americans as a result of huge inequities understood because of the Civil Rights Movement, of which Antioch was a significant part. In the Kennedy, Johnson years, Antioch also enjoyed much favor in Congress, and we had many alumni well placed in foundations, Government Agencies and all -- so that matching up private support from Foundations with Public programs was not difficult, and advantaged Antioch. But one must remember that Nixon won the election in 1968, and he sent Rumsfeld and Cheney over to close down OEO, and he sent Casper Weinberger to HEW to end many programs there. Foundations tended to withdraw once the Public Partnership disappeared, and that gradually over a few years, left the College holding the bag. (commitments to students without the means to meet them.) Elsewhere I have made the point that Antioch was a target of J. Edgar Hoover's COINTELPRO operation which lasted from 1956 through 1971 with some of the operations continued even after Hoover's death, and until the Church Committee investigations uncovered the Target Antioch stuff in 1975. I am not suggesting that was "the cause" of the 1973 strike, I am suggesting the systematic attack by the FBI on the college over a number of years has to be factored into how you comprehend what happened. Just this last weekend I pulled a book out of my pile of "yet unread books" and did a thorough reading, and I would recommend to any Antiochian wanting to understand this aspect of "what went wrong" -- the book is, "There is Something Happening Here: The New Left, The Klan, and FBI Counterintelligence" by David Cunningham, U of California Press, 2004. (Cunningham is a Sociologist at Brandeis). Just as one finds on other lists from that era, targeted for elimination in the A's in the Alphabet COINTELPRO lists, one finds the interesting threesome, Angela Davis, Antioch College and the Arkansas Peace Information Center. There are hundreds more targets, but Antioch is the only College targeted for elimination. We have to comprehend the meaning of this. One also has to be patient and understand how the old "div" system worked to Antioch's financial advantage. It allowed the college in the 1920's through to the early 1950's to operate with 50% of its students on campus at any time -- 50% were working on Co-op Jobs which were covered by a student 100% of the time, while the other half studied on campus. The college operated year round, meaning you made maximum use of faculty, labs, buildings, dorms -- and had double the student body for what you really could accommodate on campus at any time. Co-op was used as a means of lowering the cost of a high quality education to Antiochians, even though it was a 5 year program. In the late 40's and much of the 50's the college was about 1200 students with accommodations on campus for perhaps 650, at most 700. When AEA was introduced in the 1950's, that allowed the college to expand by about 100 students per year, because it was estimated about 100 students would not require space on campus. To understand the College Economics, one has to comprehend the logic of that old model. The critical change began in the early 1960's with significant changes in the co-op model and the first year program. More and more First Year Students spent the whole year on campus, (called C-Div). Larger entering classes required more dorm space -- thus expansion without necessarily expanding other functions. The partnership between an A-Div and a B-Div student "cooperating" to hold down one job that would pay for much of their college costs, got lost. The economics changed and the culture of students placing high value on the employer changed. Many more students entering Antioch needed less financial assistance, and less income from work in order to study -- this changed the culture from what had existed in the Depression Era, the Wartime, and the Vet Period well into the mid 50's. Now combine these changes with the huge mistakes of conceptualizing an expansion based on a partnership between Foundations and their interests, and what turned out to be not so long term Great Society Programs in OEO and HEW that were zeroed out after Nixon took over, and you have the makings of a major problem. Combine that with Hoover's interest with eliminating the college, (with prejudice) and a President and Board of Trustees that was not particularly good at reading the political landscape and making hard decisions -- and you have some small part of the process. But you can't possibly comprehend it unless you understand that changes were evolutionary, not made all of a sudden, and thus you have to identify shifts as at times internal accommodations, but frequently responses to external matters. For some reason the College had managed to make good tactical decisions during the Depression, World War II, and the first two decades of the post war era -- growing itself, and very much improving the quality of the offered education. So what changed that good tactical sensibility? I think one could study this very closely by looking at the difference in Antioch Admissions Processes pre and post 1961, by looking at how Fressa Inman did the job for nearly 40 years, and how her retirement changed the Antioch community, because different values were expressed in the post Inman process. Remember, back in those days, Antioch was highly selective -- perhaps one out of eight applicants were accepted. Fressa did not do it by test scores -- infact Antioch didn't require SAT's and all. So in drawing this all out, my point is a comparison between Harvard in 1960, when it was an All Male WASP Bastion with a Jewish Quota, and a legacy policy that benefited kids and grand kids and great grand kids of any former (and rich) Harvard Man -- to be contrasted with what? -- Well in the mid 50's when Antioch was really on a tear, Holiday Magazine did a huge spread and characterized it as a "Quaker Workcamp in the Woods combined with a more high minded academic program than any similar small or mid-sized private college." The Holiday spread included pictures of students learning bricklaying and building "red square" and a few other patches. And Fressa was using her personal instincts to pick the entering classes from a huge universe of applicants. You can't get more of a cultural contrast. Above all, please use cultural context in drawing comparisons and contrast. Sometimes I think Fressa was the last of the Transcendentalists. I was disappointed over the last week when folk wondered about Stephen J. Gould, (who died just before 9/11) and whether he could be tapped for money. How many recent Antiochians have read any of his books? How many know anything about what he did, what he accomplished? One thing he did do for Antioch was to participate in a panel at the college in the early 1990's that was about redesigning the Science Programs -- and the upshot was that the University got 2 million dollars for that project. What was bought for the College with that money? Was Gould used effectively or was he exploited? Such are the uses of asking some pointed historical questions. I would hope that those who use the name Eleanor Holmes Norton would realize that right now she is the Delegate in Congress from the District of Columbia, a delegate without a vote. She needs help in all the states to get congressional support for a true voting representative from DC -- and Antiochians ought to be involved heavily in a state by state lobby to accomplish that. Before we ask something of her, maybe we ought to comprehend that her brothers and sisters owe something to her. Ellie was living in the single in Green during my Freshman year, and I lived in Randall -- but my first month at Antioch was when Central High School in Little Rock blew up, and Ellie was a great on the spot teacher, not only teaching us all the details behind the confrontation, trying to explain the legal debate, but posting all the materials she received on the moving issue from NAACP and CORE and lots of other sources. You could not have had better exposure and dialogue about a profound issue of the day than we had in the Green and Randall common rooms, fall of 1957. Yes she is an important Antiochian -- but please forget the crass financial demands. I don't see any awareness of the victory for humanity she may be currently be about. I don't see any sense that Antiochians should organize and join her effort. I fully agree with Thelma in her interpretation of how Bob Divine presented the Manikin matter to Alumni on the Chat List some years back. My own view is that some late teen-early twenties folk may do some fairly stupid things, not understanding fully iconography (with all its history) and what it might mean to others. I think the potential message did need community discussion, but not as a function of excluding people from community, more as a matter of comprehending what it was all about, without heavy handed editorial and authoritarian interpretation. I think becoming aware of racial and ethnic sensitivities is less a matter of instruction and ideological pressure, and more a matter of experience and perhaps literary exposure. I really wonder how many Antiochians of the Manikin Era have ever heard the blues song, "Strange Fruit" or read the novel by that name that dates from the 1940's, and was written by a white woman who moved things an inch forward as things went, in the American South. This is not a side taking matter -- it is about human respect. I actually don't know Bob Divine, though I have crossed with him many times on these lists. I may have met him back when I was on Alumni Board, but I don't remember being impressed enough to remember. I think he moderated a Friday Night forum where I questioned the utility of Identity Politics, and then got cut off for any further comments. I have always thought, yea, that guy. (I question Identity Politics because I spent 25 years trying to get progressives elected to political office, including my great victory, the Paul Wellstone Campaign of 1990, and I know it is essentially a dead end if you don't comprehend wanting to share in power, and politics is about getting a share in power. a place set at the high table where you are expected). I had friends back in the 1970's who were in total depression after the glory days of the "movement" who went out to San Francisco and got all involved with Jim Jones and the People's Temple. Remember even Walter and Joan Mondale made an appearance. My friends thought it was a good retreat for a time when retreat was, perhaps, appropriate, but they were smart enough to not go down to Georgetown and all that. They had an unease about that demand or invitation, about that kind of cult commitment. We Antiochians need to understand that we are not a cult, and that we can move forward and rebuild our college without that kind of dynamics. The Manikin matter always seemed to me something like a Jim Jones exercise that ultimately went nowhere. We need to focus on how to realize the enlightenment in the 21st century, and how to teach the youth of today about that tradition, and how to explore what it means for the next 25 to 50 years. Are we up to it? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From warren at antioch-college.edu Mon Jul 9 22:23:02 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Mon Jul 9 22:35:44 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response,=?ISO-8859-1?Q? slightly_?= relevant: More about Bob and Other P In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you live with your hatred. Scott Warren Philosophy & Politics Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 9, 2007 at 1:45 AM wrote: >You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the college. >I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew since I >don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at >the problems in hopes of fixing them. > >I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds >raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly >attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, >other philanthropists. What plan will we present? > >Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such >feelings for people you care about. > >Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat >assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to >note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree with >him. Brainwashing anyone? > >Deb > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > >To: Alumni Chat List >Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about >Bob and Other Problems > >Hello Debra, > >I have some responses for you. > > >> Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to >> ignore >> it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can >> raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep >> happening. > >What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been >entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the >College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, >whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > >> Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for >> discussion. > >It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > >> Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to >> allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an >> educational institution. > >Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As >the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > >> The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me >> because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie >> Cary >> (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > >I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to >someone about your pent up feelings. > > >> Also, allowing >> the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is >> absolutely unthinkable. > >Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president >and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and >cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been >expressed on this. > > >> Is Antioch all style and no >> substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked >> into. > >Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people >that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if >only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest >of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him >because he does good work. > >Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, >you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the >most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their >home and their intelligence. > >You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by >somebody more professional than this online confessional. > >I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I >for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to >make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a >part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > >Sincerely, > >J. 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To reply to our email >administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > From santcooper at aol.com Mon Jul 9 22:24:58 2007 From: santcooper at aol.com (santcooper@aol.com) Date: Mon Jul 9 22:37:41 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] unfinished business Message-ID: <8C990B0A584A713-BD4-1FEE@WEBMAIL-DF14.sysops.aol.com> We who experienced the strike of 73'certainly felt it in the gut as a watershed event,I remember how I felt "it was just a waste".Misdirected political energy at its most self distructive.The Poor peoples alliance for the most part funded the poorest of the poor.Financial aid still sustained alot of us ,federal guaranteed loans , beo grants.cwsp programs.My recollection is that many students who were paying full tuition fled after the strike.The new classes admitted were fewer,the country itself that had seen a decade of remarkable cultural change was itself changing.In my final years there I remember the feeling that many good faculty and students were fleeing. I also am of the school of thought that at that time there was a closing off a failure to adapt a denial.It was easy Yellow Springs which for me was a Magical Cauldron,was emptied of many of its greatest creative ingredients,and became a isolated shell of itself.But we survived,and I have met the alumni who graduated after me in the 80's and beyond and I see them as Antiochians (it takes one to know one.We are alive and more in the 17,000 of us there is more than just $$$$$$ resource.There is a creative energy that has never been tapped,stories and life experience.there is much We can bring to this school.If we are permitted to.Anyone out there like Toni's assisted living urban village?Screw the demographics..Mark twain said," there are lies,damn lies,and then there are statistics."If Antioch got its shit together is there anyone out there that really feels we could not attract 1,000 new students a year?One thing is for sure it won't be with the policies of the past where faculty dwindles and buildings close.I liked Steve Lawry when I met him here in sf this winter,But the idea of Co'op centers to group Antiochians out on coop to cut down on attrition is Bullshit it is a plan based on defensiveness and weakness survival.I always felt that the co-op s wild unknown alone was our strength and that some of the best of my generation went out on co op and never came back that was a success and strength not a bad thing.So they want to cleanse the cauldron now.Well that may be and maybe there's plenty of blame to go around,even for alumni like me who have the balls to post after they have not giving squat to the College since they left.We may need the Bot before this is over,Steve even Toni.I for one believe we need the Faculty and that what they bring us in continuity is indispensable.It seems like alot on the board have strong feelings about Bob,maybe he deserves the comments,we may yet find we will need him in the Antioch to be.Somebody should take the # of alumni who are willing to give now to save the College and go back to Gateway pay'em some real money and say,"Use your brains this time and come up with some real ideas" sc 76 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Sistersara at aol.com Tue Jul 10 01:01:01 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 01:13:59 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History Message-ID: In a message dated 7/9/2007 10:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fowen@kvvi.net writes: If any housing is to be built on campus property, perhaps it should include units to accomodate the two groups of teachers I propose above. It was important for Antioch students to go on co-op. Perhaps it is interesting to think about bringing a changing and challenging faculty to campus every term as well. It is more fun to envision possiblities that to ponder what went wrong. Thanks again for your contribution to my growing understanding. I am still thinking about your Foundation idea. I address this directly to you as I am too timid to mix it up in the chat space. Cordially, Frank Owen Frank, if any additional housing is built on the campus it ought to be a copy of what Thomas Jefferson designed. How to do it. First hire a farmer with a really deep furrow plow attached to tractor, and dig up the whole front campus, moving both ways so as to root up everything at least 36 inches deep. Now many of the trees on front campus date from the Mann period, and as tree life goes, they are very elderly. Students should be working to find the seeds, put them into places where they can sprout, and be carefully cultivated. In the meantime, cut out the diseased and overaged trees. Few will be left after one season of seed depositing. Thomas Jefferson designed student digs that remain the most highly sought after digs on the University of Virginia Campus. It is by class rank and senior status that you get the right to live in the quill pen environment of 1820 University of Virginia. (no running water, no electricity, and no flush toilets) Well that does not need to be the exact model, but making the right kind of contour along N and S College Street could accommodate about 25 - 30 Jefferson sized cottages for students (and yes, with mod con's such as a toilet and bath) on each side of the so called great Antioch Lawn -- a lawn that is full of pot-holes actually dangerous for Frisbee, and needs what they gave to the great lawn in Central Park at least half that attention. I am not a soil scientist, but I think I understand the matter. Front campus needs a deep plowing, followed by a process that eliminates roots. Good lawns have drainage underpinnings, meaning that the campus clay should be underpinned by sand for drainage. Bulldozers are needed to push dirt one way, install sand, and push dirt the other way. Hopefully no one is offended by such. Yes, I know some seedling radishes may be displaced. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From dawn at mediawonk.com Tue Jul 10 01:06:36 2007 From: dawn at mediawonk.com (Dawn Scribner) Date: Tue Jul 10 01:19:31 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator Message-ID: I think there is way too much going on for one person to 'coordinate' all of it. I'm pretty comfortable with the hierarchy as it stands-with one or two folks heading up each area. Dawn '83 From thanos at post.com Tue Jul 10 01:49:39 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Tue Jul 10 02:06:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems Message-ID: <20070710054939.DC67C16427B@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> I agree with Scott. Debra, the problem here is how to save Antioch College, not to engage in character assassination. I don't know if what you say is true or not, and I don't care. Whatever mixed feelings I may still have about some of the people at Antioch, I can lay them aside to help my college when it's down. You should do the same. Scrape the shit off your shoe and get to work. Thanos '88 Scott Warren wrote: >The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, >disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it >doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you live >with your hatred. >Scott Warren >Philosophy & Politics -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 02:28:06 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Jul 10 02:40:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other P In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Scott: I do not see what has been posted as full of hate. When did you come to Antioch? Do I recollect that you were Dean of Students before you were professor of Politics & Philosophy? Who was the administrator(s) who hired you? There are many of us out here concerned for Antioch College. Some have given a huge piece of their precious time to the place, just like you. I know at least two sets of parents who no longer have daughters partially because they came to a place called Antioch. Believe me there have been more than maniquins that hung from those trees. I think of Ilana and Annie's parents when the closing of Antioch College was announced. Don't know who or what I am remembering? Maybe a few others on this chatline do remember. If not I will remember them. Yeah many people have given so much to keep that little piece of land afloat. I've known children and spouses and ex-spouses of Antioch College professors who have made major sacrifices. Think of the millions of dollars some have given generously out of their own earnings already. I know others who spent many years in developing a strategy to improve Antioch College who were barely given the time of day--people whose lives had been shaped by their education at Antioch College. Many who came to teach and stayed teaching without much reward for decades of their lives. Some who have been leaders and administrators as well. Some who even sent their children to this place, that is how much they loved Antioch College. Attacked and belittled, why? For asking questions? For stating concerns? For being concerned that the media coverage, including this closing has been very negative especially within the last 15 years? That alumni who carry the brand name of Antioch on every resume we write to be insulted for posing hard questions? Yet we show up on these chatlines and we write checks even when we are called gossips who only listen to hearsay, sharks, elitist snobs, mentally ill or nymphomaniacs for being the least critical. And now you are saying we are mean spirited and hateful. This is crap. I do not think it is wrong to ask people who are or have been paid administrators, paid to lead a college, paid to promote an image of that college, paid to raise funds, and to cultivate relationships to be accountable for their actions? I keep hearing the word tenure being held to a high level of importance, which I fully understand. Along with the concept of being a tenured faculty member also comes a concept of ethics which I also think you understand. There is another word that is also of prime importance, that is nepotism. Or if raising this is seen as a personal attack, how about just the plain old word, ACCOUNTABILITY. There has been some major "going down" happening at our beloved Antioch College in the last 20 years, and I do not think it is wrong to put those concerns out in the open for others to consider without getting attacked. We expect leaders to be accountable not to be bullies. Especially when they also want us to bail them out of their blunders while making us feel we are the outsiders and they are the only true Antiochians, and using students or their family as their shields rather than stepping up to the plate and admitting some of their own errors. No I do not like the word Toxic being put out on the airwaves, but it does wreak a little around the edges. Tell me again, why do I want to donate to this place? I already wrote quite a large check when I came there to study? Why do I want to support this legacy? I have heard it said that the past is simply what you remember--that people have selective memories. This is true. This is why you need more than one head. You need collective memory. This is what holds others accountable. This is what shapes policy. This is what gathers around those for support and for asking the tough questions. It is what our education taught us, to be critical thinkers, questioners, big dreamers, and caring stewards. It is the expectation that Antioch passed to us this trust in us to participate. In the paint studio, everyone had their work put in front of others for critique. It wasn't about receiving only praise, it was also accepting the reactions of others and learning from these reactions. I value that process to this day...even when some of the comments hurt my ego, or what seemed my most sacred sensibilities. It was part of being educated. There are many expecting alumni to step up to the plate and contribute money. Many of us are busy people who have a mixed bag of emotions about the state that the College is currently in and we are trying to determine what if anything can help the place. We are not on the ground and we are wondering who is? Best regards, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr >From: "Scott Warren" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob >and Other P >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:23:02 -0400 > >The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, >disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it >doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you live >with your hatred. > >Scott Warren >Philosophy & Politics > > >Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 9, 2007 at >1:45 AM wrote: > > > >You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the college. > >I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew since I > >don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at > >the problems in hopes of fixing them. > > > >I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds > >raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly > >attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, > >other philanthropists. What plan will we present? > > > >Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such > >feelings for people you care about. > > > >Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat > >assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to > >note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree with > >him. Brainwashing anyone? > > > >Deb > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > > >To: Alumni Chat List > >Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about > >Bob and Other Problems > > > >Hello Debra, > > > >I have some responses for you. > > > > > >> Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > >> ignore > >> it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > >> raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > >> happening. > > > >What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been > >entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the > >College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, > >whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > > > > >> Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > >> discussion. > > > >It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > > > > >> Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > >> allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > >> educational institution. > > > >Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As > >the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > > > > >> The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > >> because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > >> Cary > >> (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > > > >I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to > >someone about your pent up feelings. > > > > > >> Also, allowing > >> the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > >> absolutely unthinkable. > > > >Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president > >and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and > >cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been > >expressed on this. > > > > > >> Is Antioch all style and no > >> substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > >> into. > > > >Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people > >that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if > >only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest > >of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him > >because he does good work. > > > >Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, > >you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the > >most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their > >home and their intelligence. > > > >You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by > >somebody more professional than this online confessional. > > > >I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I > >for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to > >make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a > >part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >J. 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Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 02:33:32 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Jul 10 02:46:17 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am hearing you loud and clear Sister Sara. Lesley A. P. Bahr '83 >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: fowen@kvvi.net >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:01:01 EDT > > >In a message dated 7/9/2007 10:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >fowen@kvvi.net writes: > >If any housing is to be built on campus property, perhaps it should >include >units to accomodate the two groups of >teachers I propose above. It was important for Antioch students to go on >co-op. Perhaps it is interesting to think >about bringing a changing and challenging faculty to campus every term as >well. > >It is more fun to envision possiblities that to ponder what went wrong. > >Thanks again for your contribution to my growing understanding. I am >still >thinking about your Foundation idea. I >address this directly to you as I am too timid to mix it up in the chat >space. Cordially, > >Frank Owen > > > >Frank, if any additional housing is built on the campus it ought to be a >copy of what Thomas Jefferson designed. > >How to do it. First hire a farmer with a really deep furrow plow attached >to tractor, and dig up the whole front campus, moving both ways so as to >root >up everything at least 36 inches deep. Now many of the trees on front >campus >date from the Mann period, and as tree life goes, they are very elderly. >Students should be working to find the seeds, put them into places where >they >can sprout, and be carefully cultivated. In the meantime, cut out the >diseased and overaged trees. Few will be left after one season of seed >depositing. > > >Thomas Jefferson designed student digs that remain the most highly sought >after digs on the University of Virginia Campus. It is by class rank and >senior status that you get the right to live in the quill pen environment >of 1820 >University of Virginia. (no running water, no electricity, and no flush >toilets) Well that does not need to be the exact model, but making the >right >kind of contour along N and S College Street could accommodate about 25 - >30 >Jefferson sized cottages for students (and yes, with mod con's such as a >toilet >and bath) on each side of the so called great Antioch Lawn -- a lawn that >is >full of pot-holes actually dangerous for Frisbee, and needs what they gave >to >the great lawn in Central Park at least half that attention. I am not a >soil >scientist, but I think I understand the matter. > >Front campus needs a deep plowing, followed by a process that eliminates >roots. Good lawns have drainage underpinnings, meaning that the campus >clay >should be underpinned by sand for drainage. Bulldozers are needed to push >dirt >one way, install sand, and push dirt the other way. Hopefully no one is >offended by such. Yes, I know some seedling radishes may be displaced. > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From mwdole at adelphia.net Tue Jul 10 10:26:09 2007 From: mwdole at adelphia.net (mwdole) Date: Tue Jul 10 10:38:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/9/07 10:14 PM, "Sistersara@aol.com" wrote: > >My own observations and recollections largely confirm Sistersara's description of Antioch over the years. Understanding context is very important in making sense of the past. A few comments. Fressa Baker Inman, director of admissions for many years, was a very proper lady who shared prevalent upper class biases and was reluctant to accept too many applicants from New York (Jews) and did not accept any African Americans to my knowledge until Paul and Jessie Treichler and others put the heat on her. Jim Dixon is a very nice guy and before becoming president of Antioch had an excellent reputation in Pennsylvania as a medical administrator. As president of Antioch, he very much wanted to reach out to African Americans As Sistersara says he got caught when the Republicans came to power and cancelled the college's grants. He genuinely believed that the many branches could extend the Antioch idea to working class adults. My guess is that running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex world of higher education. Art Dole From jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 11:35:01 2007 From: jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Terrell) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:47:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned by its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more promising voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross lapses in decency and respect. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From gabe at ideadesign-dc.com Tue Jul 10 12:00:01 2007 From: gabe at ideadesign-dc.com (Gabe) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:12:51 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not about "sin". It's about shadow -- the part of our behavior that we hide, repress, and deny. Individuals have shadows; families have them, and institutions have them. In my experience, all institutions, tell lies about themselves, and then tell lies about the fact that they lie. It's what Ollie Loud talked about: saving the appearances. Antioch has its shadows: an assumed sense of moral superiority, a na?ve arrogance about its purity in comparison with the world, a sense that we do something that no one else does. Antioch is a culture: of risk, adventure, and personal integration of experience. Yet other colleges have done what Antioch did and others will again. Reed, Bard, Goddard, Berea, others. There will always be an audience and a 'market' for this kind of educational approach. I hope we can revive the College, for everything we know it to be and all it has been for us, individually and collectively. But to describe the search for truth in our own shadows as some kind of self-flagellation is to mis-perceive the instinct for truth that the College instilled in all of us. If we had been more willing to look at Antioch's shadows during the past few decades, we might not be where we are now. I applaud those who are questioning what Antioch's past. It may seem like a useless exercise now, but to sweep decades of mismanagement under the rug of "let's keep Antioch open" is to invite more error and deeper blindness. It's not one or the other. It has to be both, or it winds up being very little at all. If we don't have the courage to face the truth about ourselves and our College, then what are we saving? Our memories? Gabe Heilig, '65 The Board, for sure, has its shadow, but from what I've read, p > These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" > that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned by > its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. > > I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more promising > voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross lapses in > decency and respect. > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From tgseto at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:22:49 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:37:18 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanos-- Debra talked about several other issues besides Bob's lack of judgment regarding sexual partners--and, yes, too many other faculty have crossed a line they shouldn't have--but that is the only part of her post anyone has addressed, just as when she posted about the need for greater inclusion and tolerance on campus, posters focused on "women in dresses and make-up" (loose quote) and accused her of homophobia. And that is the only response she got. Perhaps this conversation might be better served if those who disagree could look at the whole post and address what the poster is actually saying. As to DEMOGRAPHICS and the alumni eagerness to "save" Antioch, we (the alums, as a group) have been too hasty, neglecting to look at the issues before us. Have the Alumni Board given a close look at the demographics and what the future Antioch must look like, in relation to the huge changes in the American population, in order to be viable? In light of Duffy's statement that we have to have at least 800 students to be "sustainable", have we taken a close look at what the demographic changes mean to Antioch College? I think not. I know some will jump on my neck for saying this, but many others agree with me: Antioch's primary focus group has been middle-class white Americans (and I include American Jews in this category). However, in 1998 the birth rate for native-born white American women was only 1.84 children on average. (In order words, the birth rate alone, without immigration, are causing the numbers of white Americans to decrease.) In 2000 children born to native-born American women OF ALL ETHNICITIES comprised only 25% of all births in this country. The percentage of children born to white American women was probably 40% of that--or less. That's approximately 8-9% of all children born here who, we hope, are potential recruits in another 11 years. I haven't seen a breakdown by class, but if Antioch remains much like it is today, and has been in the past, our potential pool of students is even smaller than that. Add to that the fact, as we all know, that "Antioch is not for everyone" and that most of that tiny fraction will not be interested in Antioch, and if you look at the actual population numbers of children between the ages of 0-15 in the US today, we are talking about a tiny number of potential students, half of which (even if they apply and ALL are accepted) will not choose Antioch and/or will drop out because they don't like it, for one reason or another. Best case scenario, if all these issues Debra and others have raised are addressed and resolved, we're talking about classes of 150-200 coming in each year. That's BEST CASE scenario. In reality, new classes will likely be smaller than that. In other words, we have to tap into the 75% of the children born here today, who are kids born to legal and illegal immigrants. We have to do this for the college's survival. And it would help if we could target the 60% (at least) of non-white children born to native-born American women, but Antioch's never been very good at that. Attempts in the past have blown up in her face. Antioch's survival depends on raising money, yes. But most of the immigrants parents are not going to want their kids at the Antioch of today. In order to tap into this huge (and growing) market, we have to change the social climate, and take a hard look at the academics, too. This isn't about Antioch's generational divide; this is just an economic and demographic fact. Antioch cannot survive on its traditional population. Every year this population becomes smaller and smaller. Some of it may be due to the campus culture, poor governance, weakened academics, and all manner of other factors. But we just can't make this work without a great deal of change to the face of Antioch. Economic and demographic factors will make this impossible. And we need to look closely at these issues. What's the point of putting all this energy into saving a school if we aren't willing to look at what has to be changed in order to make it sustainable? If the kids have not been born, and therefore DO NOT EXIST, how are we going to recruit them? We're not. I'm not a statistician but just a cursory look at the numbers tells me that maintaining a student population of 800--without taking demographic shifts into account--will be pretty close to impossible to do. This country has changed tremendously in the past 30 years. Antioch is still running on assumptions that are out of date. The Antioch of today is a dinosaur. Bash me, if you wish, but then get out of your community and drive around and look at the faces of today's Americans. Most of them do not look like you (or me, and I'm not white). And they have their own cultures and frames of references that are not yours. If Antioch is to survive, she HAS to include them. Without them, she dies. Immigrants are going to want a more stable and sensible and respectful campus culture. Some of the "norms" at Antioch will turn them off. A lot of the academics will appear beside the point. Of course, this is conjecture, but being something of an immigrant myself, and having more of an international background than most people on this Chat, I do know something about this. I came to Antioch for its tolerance, but much as I love the Antioch I attended, it was pretty poor on the subject of cultural sensitivity. Not because people didn't care or didn't mean well--they just lacked experience and sophistication in this area. IF things have changed, they haven't changed enough. These things need to be addressed--the social climate, the lack of oversight, the lack of commonsense, the lack of leadership--but also we cannot ignore the changing face of this country. We have to look closely at what is happening within the environment in which Antioch exists. YSO is an incredibly incestuous and insulated community. The country has changed dramatically. And Census projections indicate that the present teenage population will comprise only 60% of their age group in another 15 years. So the government clearly expects immigration to increase in the coming years at increasing levels. Whatever has been going on--whether professors sleeping with their students, or kids creating a drug co-op, or self-indulgent classified ads in The Record, or intimidation and threats of fellow community members, destruction of College property, etc.--will turn these potential students (or at least their parents, who hold the purse strings and--in immigrant families--have a lot of influence on their kids) off. For people who have actually lived in a police state, or a crumbling post-colonialist emerging nation, or in a long-time colony, or a nation torn to shreds by violence, what current passes for political sophistication just won't cut it. And making what currently passes for political sophistication--I'm trying hard to avoid the word, guys--is NOT what these immigrants want in their children's academic programs. They send their kids to college to get a degree that can lead to a professional career. They want rigor and they want discipline. And they're not going to consider today's school. It has neither. Internships, co-ops, these things can be used to make Antioch more desirable. But bells and whistles do not going to fool these sharp consumers. They see a college education as a PRIVILEGE, which it is, and they expect their kids to WORK. And if their kids don't work at college, there ARE consequences, I can guarantee that. They are looking at their whole family's survival in a country that often is not very welcoming, and their kids' success is a big part of their strategy. Education has primary importance to immigrant families--more important than any other aspect of their lives (except for family cohesion, which relates back to the campus culture). So Antioch doesn't just need to take a good, hard look at itself. It needs to revamp the program and academics and social climate in a big way. If successful, I'm not sure any of us will "recognize" the new Antioch. I think it could be a very exciting and hopeful change for the old girl. But it would mean some of the old guard would need to move over to allow fresh blood in. The administration and faculty needs to reflect the changing demographic. And it doesn't right now, any more than I expect the current student body does. Have we, as a group, even thought about who we are keeping this school alive for? Thelma _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 13:24:49 2007 From: jeffreyterrell at hotmail.com (Jeffrey Terrell) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:37:34 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: No sins to wash away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not about "sin," but "truth." I stand corrected, as corrected. However, I never said there was only one OTHER game in town: keeping the college open without scrutiny. Scrutiny is fine and healthy, and so are mutual respect and self-respect. I think about a community of alumni, students, administrators and staff and their commitments to each other. What do they share that make a community possible? I doubt it is truth. If truth's your goal, I'd rather have shared goals-- not uncritically shared, but it's not truth, either. It's just a bit strange for me to hear people say they'd risk a community for anything, unless they aren't a part of it. Cordially, Jeffrey Terrell '00 _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From gabe at ideadesign-dc.com Tue Jul 10 14:44:44 2007 From: gabe at ideadesign-dc.com (Gabe) Date: Tue Jul 10 14:57:30 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: No sins to wash away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm not sure what "truth" is, since I only know my own piece of the Truth, and that only partially. To me, the Truth is a mosaic, of which we all have a holographic shard. Truth is in us. The question is whether we are in the truth: both the larger Truth and our individual truths, including the truth of what we lie about. We all fool ourselves; we all have blind spots; we all have shadows. The College has one too, and all I'm saying is that as long as we ignore it, it will keep sabotaging our efforts. I spent 5 days inside Folsom a few years ago, working with capital offenders doing very deep emotional release work. I felt as safe with them as with anyone I've ever known, not because I glamorized them but because I sensed they had gotten to the bottom of their shadows and they had come to a place where they could trust themselves and could receive others without illusion. That level of trust is rare, and we're a ways away from it, in my judgment. I think there's a value in naming shadows like these. Gabe Heilig, '65 > It's not about "sin," but "truth." > > I stand corrected, as corrected. > > However, I never said there was only one OTHER game in town: keeping the > college open without scrutiny. Scrutiny is fine and healthy, and so are > mutual respect and self-respect. > > I think about a community of alumni, students, administrators and staff and > their commitments to each other. What do they share that make a community > possible? > > I doubt it is truth. > > If truth's your goal, I'd rather have shared goals-- not uncritically > shared, but it's not truth, either. It's just a bit strange for me to hear > people say they'd risk a community for anything, unless they aren't a part > of it. > > Cordially, > > Jeffrey Terrell '00 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!? > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 14:45:38 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Jul 10 14:58:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Gabe for this perspective. I really appreciate your words. Lesley A.P. Bahr '83, BFA Buffalo & Ottertail, MN >From: Gabe >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:00:01 -0400 > > > > > >It's not about "sin". It's about shadow -- the part of our behavior that >we >hide, repress, and deny. Individuals have shadows; families have them, and >institutions have them. In my experience, all institutions, tell lies >about >themselves, and then tell lies about the fact that they lie. It's what >Ollie Loud talked about: saving the appearances. > >Antioch has its shadows: an assumed sense of moral superiority, a nave >arrogance about its purity in comparison with the world, a sense that we do >something that no one else does. Antioch is a culture: of risk, adventure, >and personal integration of experience. Yet other colleges have done what >Antioch did and others will again. Reed, Bard, Goddard, Berea, others. >There will always be an audience and a 'market' for this kind of >educational >approach. I hope we can revive the College, for everything we know it to >be >and all it has been for us, individually and collectively. But to describe >the search for truth in our own shadows as some kind of self-flagellation >is >to mis-perceive the instinct for truth that the College instilled in all of >us. If we had been more willing to look at Antioch's shadows during the >past few decades, we might not be where we are now. > >I applaud those who are questioning what Antioch's past. It may seem like >a >useless exercise now, but to sweep decades of mismanagement under the rug >of >"let's keep Antioch open" is to invite more error and deeper blindness. >It's not one or the other. It has to be both, or it winds up being very >little at all. If we don't have the courage to face the truth about >ourselves and our College, then what are we saving? Our memories? > >Gabe Heilig, '65 > > > The Board, for sure, has its shadow, but from what I've read, p > > > > These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" > > that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned >by > > its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. > > > > I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more >promising > > voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross >lapses in > > decency and respect. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://liveearth.msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From dlbahr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:03:05 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:15:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >My guess is that running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex >world of higher education. In response to the above excerpt from your post below, Art. Maybe in Dixon's era it was not good preparation for higher ed, but I do not know if I would totally rule it for this era's administrators. I work in health care--I have not come to any final conclusion about health care administrators except to wonder "Who the hell are these people?" They may have some useful skills that would benefit higher ed. I am not as quick to rule them out as you for all ages as you are, Art. Antioch College certainly needs some administrative doctoring, I would appreciate various perspectives for triage. Lesley A. P. Bahr '83, BFA Buffalo, MN >From: mwdole >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:09 -0400 > >On 7/9/07 10:14 PM, "Sistersara@aol.com" wrote: > > > > >My own observations and recollections largely confirm Sistersara's >description >of Antioch over the years. Understanding context is very important in >making >sense of the past. A few comments. Fressa Baker Inman, director of >admissions >for many years, was a very proper lady who shared prevalent upper class >biases >and was reluctant to accept too many applicants from New York (Jews) and >did not >accept any African Americans to my knowledge until Paul and Jessie >Treichler and >others put the heat on her. > >Jim Dixon is a very nice guy and before becoming president of Antioch had >an >excellent reputation in Pennsylvania as a medical administrator. As >president of Antioch, he very much wanted to reach out to African Americans >As Sistersara says he got caught when the Republicans came to power and >cancelled the college's grants. He genuinely believed that the many >branches >could extend the Antioch idea to working class adults. My guess is that >running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex >world of higher education. > >Art Dole > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From marnoldtk at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 15:25:05 2007 From: marnoldtk at yahoo.com (Matthew Arnold) Date: Tue Jul 10 15:37:50 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting Message-ID: <517695.95582.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Board of Trustees Vice Chair Dan Fallon answered questions for three hours last night at last week?s New York meeting, attended by 50 or so Antiochians. Here are some of the highlights from my notes (admittedly, sometimes indecipherable and incomplete, so I apologize for any errors). I report, you decide: The Board of Trustees will be meeting sometime in late August, probably either the weekend of the 23rd-26th or the weekend before that. The meeting will probably take place at a hotel proximate to a major airport in a central location (i.e., Chicago or Denver) to accommodate travelers from all over. Fallon is pushing for representatives of various constituencies ? staff, faculty, alumni, students and the Village ? to be included, but ?that?s not settled with the Board yet.? Since Reunion weekend, the trustees had a June 30 conference call on which they resolved to allow faculty to withdraw funds from pension reports without meeting customary age restrictions, heard reports from Alumni Reunion and discussed the late summer meeting. The 8-person executive committee has also had a call.Based on the recommendations of an external consultant (one R. T. Ingram, president emeritus of the Association of Governing Boards), the Board is looking at implementing a merger of the College and McGregor under a single executive with its own board. Ingram, Fallon said in an email, ?has proposed a new structure that would provide for a Board of Trustees for each campus of the university, with primary responsibility, for example, for appointing a campus president and for oversight and fiduciary care of the campus. There would also be a Board of Governors for Antioch University that would appoint a chancellor responsible for shared services among the campuses and for University-wide academic planning. In Yellow Springs, there would be a single institution, whose undergraduate division would be Antioch College, and whose graduate division would be McGregor, under the management of a single president reporting to a board just for that institution. The current chair of the Board of Trustees, Art Zucker, intends to appoint a commission to review this report and to recommend possible implementation actions to the board.? Fallon has been asked to chair this commission and hopes to arrive at a set of recommendations by the October or February board meetings.The way the financial exigency statement is written, the University cannot legally raise funds to keep the College open ? it can only collect funds for Antioch 2012. ?However, we are supporting the Alumni Board in their efforts, and they?re going gangbusters,? said Fallon. The College can solicit donations for urgent 2007-2008 needs and for the Annual Fund. Former alumni development head Risa Grimes said an Annual Fund campaign is in the works for this year and that staff positions will be dependent on the take. Fallon said he?s pressing for an official estimate of how much it would take to keep the College open, but couldn?t furnish one yet. ?I?m trying to get that question answered,? he said, ?but the nightmare of the Board is that you get energized and you raise $7 million and it?s not enough.? By his own (unofficial!) back-of-the-envelope calculations of the College?s short-term needs include: $18 million to cover an operating deficit and ?keep the buildings from falling down? over the next 5-6 years; $5 million to cover an existing deficit in restricted accounts uncovered by the CFO; $12 million for a new student center; $6 million to renovate the OK Library; $3-$5 million to make the dorms safe and another $3-$5 million for basic repairs. The total bill for urgently needed capital improvements (listed above) would be ?under $30 million.?Regarding that $5 million boo-boo, Fallon said a new CFO came in recently and ?in going through the records, discovered a number of accounts that were not accurately reported,? including a $5 million shortfall in restricted funds ? i.e., $5 million was taken out of funds earmarked for specific purposes and presumably used to patch a budgetary hole. Someone, he said, ?robbed Peter to pay Paul and forgot to pay Peter back.? This, together with the collapse in enrollments, meant a projected budgetary apocalypse was imminent, and so was a significant factor in the Board?s decision to close the school. Asked how the deficit went unknown for so long, he said that while the College?s finances have been audited every year, it had been a long time since a ?deep audit? had been performed.?Analysts are converging on Yellow Springs? to go over the College?s balance sheet, ?and in the next couple of weeks we?ll be able to put those numbers on the table? and offer benchmarks. Assuming the $18 million operating deficit could be patched over, the College would need 800 students within five years under the rosiest of scenarios, said Fallon, to approach being self-sustaining, and even at that number, would require continued subsidies from the other University campuses. Those projections placed the College ?in the midst of catastrophic bankruptcy by the middle of the 2008-2009 year.?The new McGregor building is ?a disconcerting set of circumstances.? Fallon said the Board agreed to the plan when ?the entire Village Council of Yellow Springs walked into our meeting and said ?We must have this building.?? Others present (not sure of their names) at the New York meeting interjected that McGregor administrators scared the Village Council into pushing for it by threatening to move Antioch McGregor to Dayton. The University agreed to put up $2-$3 million for it, with the rest to be paid for by state and Federal bonds. A similar bonding arrangement would not be available to the College, because it?s ?maxed out,? having missed a couple recent payments and seen its bond rating slide. A ?public-private arrangement where a developer comes in? and builds an assisted living facility or something might be a possibility, he said. This option was not well received by many at the New York meeting. The Board considered the possibilities of liquidating the endowment and/or other campuses. The latter wouldn?t work, Fallon said, because the process would be lengthy and wouldn?t bring in much money (the most valuable asset being the Antioch Seattle buildings, which might bring in $10-$11 million). Fallon said there?s no legal precedent for liquidating an endowment, so this would be an extremely risky strategy taking the University into uncharted waters. In order to do so, the University would have to get the Ohio Attorney General on its side and successfully plead its case before a Federal judge, who would more likely order the funds be used for comparable purposes (i.e., tuition for low income students) at other institutions.Fallon said he had not read the recent Yellow Springs News article (http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/07/070507_consultants.html) on the consultants hired to examine the College?s seaworthiness (i.e., Gateway and Pigman), but said the Board had directed Toni Murdock to get two external opinions about College finances. Thomas Chema, he said, was brought in because of his experience reviving Hiram College, and Pigman was brought in because of his bankruptcy expertise. Read the bit about Chema?s report saying the University?s preferred solution was suspension, he said: ?It seems to me that a conscientious administration would lay out 5-6 options and that could be one of them, and a muckraking reporter could turn that into a story ?. I don?t think there?s anything salacious there.? Advised that while the Chema report has been made public, the Pigman report hasn?t, Fallon said he?d push to get it out there. Fallon reiterated again and again that there is no legal distinction between the College and the University. The Board will not consider any plan to continue operations ?if the College is not sustainable,? he said. ?Sustainability? includes the ability to attract students, offer a high quality education and cover operating deficits. If the College closes, it will retain a skeleton staff funded by the current ($500,000-$1 million) subsidy from the other campuses. An administrator and several faculty could be retained. There would be some activity on campus over the four-year suspension, including a possible lecture series and online or even bricks and mortar courses being taught. Faculty salaries are ?immoral,? he said. So are the subsidies from other campuses, he said, which ?take money from struggling working class people and use that to plug a hole.?Glen Helen would be remanded to the State of Ohio for use as a state park, per the wishes of Hugh Taylor Birch, should the University ever close. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From jdavid at coldren.net Tue Jul 10 16:23:13 2007 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:37:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> Thelma, Your remarks about demographics are spot on. The fact that it's the 800-lb gorilla in the room seems to have escaped our colleagues who quarreled with Debra's other points. One demographic that is heading UP at a little more than the same rate at the college age population is going DOWN is the world's aging population. The societal dislocations occasioned by the extended life expectancies of our seasoned citizens and the need to provide and care for them are just now beginning to be felt by both public and private institutions. In this country alone, the economic consequences of these trends are gnarly enough to make politically palatable solutions virtually impossible and thus the paralysis in Washington over the past two decades with respect to facing up to the funding of Medicare and Social Security as the demographic changes noted above relentlessly continue to play out. Add to that the inevitable changes to America's culture(s) as a result of the current massive documented and undocumented immigration from all over the world. As an exercise in something or other, I sketched out a plan for combining an Antioch College In Yellow Springs---with our familiar values, an enlivened liberal arts curriculum, master teachers, visiting lecturers, a co-op program, and community government---with what I called an assisted living center---with services ranging from adult education, adult day care, independent living, advanced nursing, Alzheimer's care, and hospice. (I don't particularly like "assisted living center" or "retirement community" as descriptors of what goes on in places with those labels, but I think we're stuck with them for a while.) Anyway, the email containing the sketch was posted on http://antirecord.org/node/590 by my good friend Yazz Allen '66. I haven't gotten any responses. That's probably because it accepts the Board of Trustees decision to close down the College and proposes a reinvention using the College's substantial real estate assets as a source of a sustainable revenue stream for the undergraduate program. I am not wedded to this admittedly sketchy proposal and I certainly have not done the numbers on it. But I wonder if this is the kind of thinking about the future you think alumni might want to pursue. I personally think that blue-sky imaginations about the future (2012 and beyond) are worthwhile even if it opens up the dreamer to criticisms from those who feel threatened or ideologically opposed to such ideas. What do you think? J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:23 AM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Thanos-- Debra talked about several other issues besides Bob's lack of judgment regarding sexual partners--and, yes, too many other faculty have crossed a line they shouldn't have--but that is the only part of her post anyone has addressed, just as when she posted about the need for greater inclusion and tolerance on campus, posters focused on "women in dresses and make-up" (loose quote) and accused her of homophobia. And that is the only response she got. Perhaps this conversation might be better served if those who disagree could look at the whole post and address what the poster is actually saying. As to DEMOGRAPHICS and the alumni eagerness to "save" Antioch, we (the alums, as a group) have been too hasty, neglecting to look at the issues before us. Have the Alumni Board given a close look at the demographics and what the future Antioch must look like, in relation to the huge changes in the American population, in order to be viable? In light of Duffy's statement that we have to have at least 800 students to be "sustainable", have we taken a close look at what the demographic changes mean to Antioch College? I think not. I know some will jump on my neck for saying this, but many others agree with me: Antioch's primary focus group has been middle-class white Americans (and I include American Jews in this category). However, in 1998 the birth rate for native-born white American women was only 1.84 children on average. (In order words, the birth rate alone, without immigration, are causing the numbers of white Americans to decrease.) In 2000 children born to native-born American women OF ALL ETHNICITIES comprised only 25% of all births in this country. The percentage of children born to white American women was probably 40% of that--or less. That's approximately 8-9% of all children born here who, we hope, are potential recruits in another 11 years. I haven't seen a breakdown by class, but if Antioch remains much like it is today, and has been in the past, our potential pool of students is even smaller than that. Add to that the fact, as we all know, that "Antioch is not for everyone" and that most of that tiny fraction will not be interested in Antioch, and if you look at the actual population numbers of children between the ages of 0-15 in the US today, we are talking about a tiny number of potential students, half of which (even if they apply and ALL are accepted) will not choose Antioch and/or will drop out because they don't like it, for one reason or another. Best case scenario, if all these issues Debra and others have raised are addressed and resolved, we're talking about classes of 150-200 coming in each year. That's BEST CASE scenario. In reality, new classes will likely be smaller than that. In other words, we have to tap into the 75% of the children born here today, who are kids born to legal and illegal immigrants. We have to do this for the college's survival. And it would help if we could target the 60% (at least) of non-white children born to native-born American women, but Antioch's never been very good at that. Attempts in the past have blown up in her face. Antioch's survival depends on raising money, yes. But most of the immigrants parents are not going to want their kids at the Antioch of today. In order to tap into this huge (and growing) market, we have to change the social climate, and take a hard look at the academics, too. This isn't about Antioch's generational divide; this is just an economic and demographic fact. Antioch cannot survive on its traditional population. Every year this population becomes smaller and smaller. Some of it may be due to the campus culture, poor governance, weakened academics, and all manner of other factors. But we just can't make this work without a great deal of change to the face of Antioch. Economic and demographic factors will make this impossible. And we need to look closely at these issues. What's the point of putting all this energy into saving a school if we aren't willing to look at what has to be changed in order to make it sustainable? If the kids have not been born, and therefore DO NOT EXIST, how are we going to recruit them? We're not. I'm not a statistician but just a cursory look at the numbers tells me that maintaining a student population of 800--without taking demographic shifts into account--will be pretty close to impossible to do. This country has changed tremendously in the past 30 years. Antioch is still running on assumptions that are out of date. The Antioch of today is a dinosaur. Bash me, if you wish, but then get out of your community and drive around and look at the faces of today's Americans. Most of them do not look like you (or me, and I'm not white). And they have their own cultures and frames of references that are not yours. If Antioch is to survive, she HAS to include them. Without them, she dies. Immigrants are going to want a more stable and sensible and respectful campus culture. Some of the "norms" at Antioch will turn them off. A lot of the academics will appear beside the point. Of course, this is conjecture, but being something of an immigrant myself, and having more of an international background than most people on this Chat, I do know something about this. I came to Antioch for its tolerance, but much as I love the Antioch I attended, it was pretty poor on the subject of cultural sensitivity. Not because people didn't care or didn't mean well--they just lacked experience and sophistication in this area. IF things have changed, they haven't changed enough. These things need to be addressed--the social climate, the lack of oversight, the lack of commonsense, the lack of leadership--but also we cannot ignore the changing face of this country. We have to look closely at what is happening within the environment in which Antioch exists. YSO is an incredibly incestuous and insulated community. The country has changed dramatically. And Census projections indicate that the present teenage population will comprise only 60% of their age group in another 15 years. So the government clearly expects immigration to increase in the coming years at increasing levels. Whatever has been going on--whether professors sleeping with their students, or kids creating a drug co-op, or self-indulgent classified ads in The Record, or intimidation and threats of fellow community members, destruction of College property, etc.--will turn these potential students (or at least their parents, who hold the purse strings and--in immigrant families--have a lot of influence on their kids) off. For people who have actually lived in a police state, or a crumbling post-colonialist emerging nation, or in a long-time colony, or a nation torn to shreds by violence, what current passes for political sophistication just won't cut it. And making what currently passes for political sophistication--I'm trying hard to avoid the word, guys--is NOT what these immigrants want in their children's academic programs. They send their kids to college to get a degree that can lead to a professional career. They want rigor and they want discipline. And they're not going to consider today's school. It has neither. Internships, co-ops, these things can be used to make Antioch more desirable. But bells and whistles do not going to fool these sharp consumers. They see a college education as a PRIVILEGE, which it is, and they expect their kids to WORK. And if their kids don't work at college, there ARE consequences, I can guarantee that. They are looking at their whole family's survival in a country that often is not very welcoming, and their kids' success is a big part of their strategy. Education has primary importance to immigrant families--more important than any other aspect of their lives (except for family cohesion, which relates back to the campus culture). So Antioch doesn't just need to take a good, hard look at itself. It needs to revamp the program and academics and social climate in a big way. If successful, I'm not sure any of us will "recognize" the new Antioch. I think it could be a very exciting and hopeful change for the old girl. But it would mean some of the old guard would need to move over to allow fresh blood in. The administration and faculty needs to reflect the changing demographic. And it doesn't right now, any more than I expect the current student body does. Have we, as a group, even thought about who we are keeping this school alive for? Thelma _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!? http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From robinsimons at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 16:31:14 2007 From: robinsimons at yahoo.com (Robin Simons) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:44:03 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> Message-ID: <343174.81862.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > As an exercise in something or other, I sketched out > a plan for combining an > Antioch College In Yellow Springs---with our > familiar values, an enlivened > liberal arts curriculum, master teachers, visiting > lecturers, a co-op > program, and community government---with what I > called an assisted living > center---with services ranging from adult education, > adult day care, > independent living, advanced nursing, Alzheimer's > care, and hospice. (I > don't particularly like "assisted living center" or > "retirement community" > as descriptors of what goes on in places with those > labels, but I think > we're stuck with them for a while.) > why not figure an elderhostel/senior college sort of thing, using our professors? you could probably have a pretty innovative progam, too. Elderhostel and maybe a senior track (some people have always wanted to go back to school and never had time, but if you live on the campus, why not?) at the college, as well as set up a gerontology program AT the college studying and doing hands on at the facility you designed, as well as doing oral history projects with the seniors as an elective at the history or psych departments. also the healthy seniors who come from education backgrounds could help at the college or maybe even teach? Robin '91 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From karenkotiw at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 16:35:26 2007 From: karenkotiw at yahoo.com (Karen Kotiw) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:48:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (GO GREEN)Housing and building plans In-Reply-To: <20070710193756.BC9EF6071B0E@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <904806.76093.qm@web52809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Green. We are missing an important opportunity if the planning of any building or retrofitting at Antioch College does not incorporate green building techniques or green energy technology. Several colleges that I like to think are our reference group are emerging as leaders in green. See Berea College's Eco Dorm and other activites: http://www.berea.edu/sens/sustainablecampus/documents/february-06.pdf http://www.berea.edu/sens/ecovillage/commons_house.asp http://www.berea.edu/bcnow/story.asp?ArticleID=602 Warren Wilson's Farm http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~farm/article.php3?id_article=3 They have a mission of Work, Service and Academics. Sound familiar? It's not just Hampshire and Evergreen, there are lots of little colleges that are making a difference and THRIVING. How do they do it?????? Do you know? Is the answer always "the endowment"? By the way, Berea's students do not pay tuition. They are not far from Antioch, in Kentucky, half way between Antioch and Warren Wilson. We are a part of an Eco League with other colleges. What does this entail? http://www.ecoleague.org/ How the Eco League Works (from Prescott) Eco League exchanges are open to students studying any academic area. Prescott College students may spend up to two non-sequential semesters at Eco League institutions during their sophomore and junior years. Students continue to pay full-time tuition to their home institution. Lab, course fees and room and board are paid to the institution the student is visiting. Travel costs are covered by the student. Credits earned at Eco League institutions are transferred back to the home institution. There is no application for students interested in attending an Eco League institution; however, students must fill out an "Intent to Participate" form. Students are expected to return to their home institution upon completion of the Eco League semester(s). See Admissions, Registrar's, or RDP Dean's offices for more details. What does Antioch bring to this, besides a trip to Brazil? http://www.ecoleague.org/members/antioch.php Compare our offerings to College of the Atlantic: Notable Eco Activities COA is the first college in the United States to become carbon neutral, off-setting all carbon emissions with the purchase of renewable energy credits. In Fall 2008, the Davis Residential Village will open on campus. This new cluster of student housing will be at the vanguard of sustainable, "green" building and will serve as a model to the community and to colleges across the country. Or Green Mountain: Notable Eco Activities The 85-acre Deane Nature Preserve is used for research, education and recreation. A campus farm, run by a student farm crew, features oxen, sheep, and chickens, and a market garden. The farm is part of a bigger local foods program, which strives to localize our ecological footprint by purchasing $60,000 annually in local foods. An adventure program sponsors outdoor excursions in the Green and Adirondack Mountains. The College gets over 50 percent of its electricity from Cow Power. C'MON! Our Glen Helen is bigger than that, not to mention John Bryan! Even Alaska Pacific has a working farm: Notable Eco Activities Student eco-projects are carried out at The Kellogg Farm (our environmental education center), throughout Alaska, and elsewhere in the world. The Senior Project is a 12-credit student-designed project that caps the undergraduate experience. This is a vision of Antioch that I would like to see, and be a part of creating. Karen Kotiw '98 --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From warren at antioch-college.edu Tue Jul 10 16:35:39 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:48:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Long response,=?ISO-8859-1?Q? slightly_?= relevant: More about Bob and Other P In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Lesley, I was hired by Jim Crowfoot. If the personal attack on Bob and Callie is not hateful, I don't know what is. best, and signing off, Scott Alumni Chat List on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 at 2:28 AM wrote: > >Dear Scott: > >I do not see what has been posted as full of hate. >When did you come to Antioch? Do I recollect that you were Dean of >Students >before you were professor of Politics & Philosophy? Who was the >administrator(s) who hired you? > >There are many of us out here concerned for Antioch College. Some have >given a huge piece of their precious time to the place, just like you. I >know at least two sets of parents who no longer have daughters partially >because they came to a place called Antioch. Believe me there have been >more than maniquins that hung from those trees. I think of Ilana and >Annie's parents when the closing of Antioch College was announced. >Don't >know who or what I am remembering? Maybe a few others on this chatline >do >remember. If not I will remember them. Yeah many people have given so >much >to keep that little piece of land afloat. I've known children and >spouses >and ex-spouses of Antioch College professors who have made major >sacrifices. > Think of the millions of dollars some have given generously out of >their >own earnings already. I know others who spent many years in developing a >strategy to improve Antioch College who were barely given the time of >day--people whose lives had been shaped by their education at Antioch >College. Many who came to teach and stayed teaching without much reward >for >decades of their lives. Some who have been leaders and administrators as >well. Some who even sent their children to this place, that is how much >they loved Antioch College. Attacked and belittled, why? For asking >questions? For stating concerns? For being concerned that the media >coverage, including this closing has been very negative especially within >the last 15 years? That alumni who carry the brand name of Antioch on >every >resume we write to be insulted for posing hard questions? Yet we show up >on >these chatlines and we write checks even when we are called gossips who >only >listen to hearsay, sharks, elitist snobs, mentally ill or nymphomaniacs >for >being the least critical. And now you are saying we are mean spirited >and >hateful. This is crap. > >I do not think it is wrong to ask people who are or have been paid >administrators, paid to lead a college, paid to promote an image of that >college, paid to raise funds, and to cultivate relationships to be >accountable for their actions? I keep hearing the word tenure being held >to >a high level of importance, which I fully understand. Along with the >concept of being a tenured faculty member also comes a concept of ethics >which I also think you understand. There is another word that is also of >prime importance, that is nepotism. Or if raising this is seen as a >personal attack, how about just the plain old word, ACCOUNTABILITY. >There >has been some major "going down" happening at our beloved Antioch College >in >the last 20 years, and I do not think it is wrong to put those concerns >out >in the open for others to consider without getting attacked. We expect >leaders to be accountable not to be bullies. Especially when they also >want >us to bail them out of their blunders while making us feel we are the >outsiders and they are the only true Antiochians, and using students or >their family as their shields rather than stepping up to the plate and >admitting some of their own errors. No I do not like the word Toxic >being >put out on the airwaves, but it does wreak a little around the edges. > >Tell me again, why do I want to donate to this place? I already wrote >quite >a large check when I came there to study? Why do I want to support this >legacy? > >I have heard it said that the past is simply what you remember--that >people >have selective memories. This is true. This is why you need more than >one >head. You need collective memory. This is what holds others accountable. > >This is what shapes policy. This is what gathers around those for >support >and for asking the tough questions. It is what our education taught us, >to >be critical thinkers, questioners, big dreamers, and caring stewards. It >is >the expectation that Antioch passed to us this trust in us to >participate. >In the paint studio, everyone had their work put in front of others for >critique. It wasn't about receiving only praise, it was also accepting >the >reactions of others and learning from these reactions. I value that >process >to this day...even when some of the comments hurt my ego, or what seemed >my >most sacred sensibilities. It was part of being educated. > > >There are many expecting alumni to step up to the plate and contribute >money. Many of us are busy people who have a mixed bag of emotions about >the state that the College is currently in and we are trying to determine >what if anything can help the place. We are not on the ground and we are >wondering who is? > >Best regards, >Lesley A. Pownall Bahr > > >>From: "Scott Warren" >>Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >>To: "Alumni Chat List" >>CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >>Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about >Bob >>and Other P >>Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:23:02 -0400 >> >>The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, >>disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it >>doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you >live >>with your hatred. >> >>Scott Warren >>Philosophy & Politics >> >> >>Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 9, 2007 at >>1:45 AM wrote: >> >> >> >You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the >college. >> >I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew >since I >> >don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at >> >the problems in hopes of fixing them. >> > >> >I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds >> >raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly >> >attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, >> >other philanthropists. What plan will we present? >> > >> >Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such >> >feelings for people you care about. >> > >> >Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat >> >assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to >> >note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree >with >> >him. Brainwashing anyone? >> > >> >Deb >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu >> > >> >To: Alumni Chat List >> >Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 >> >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about >> >Bob and Other Problems >> > >> >Hello Debra, >> > >> >I have some responses for you. >> > >> > >> >> Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to >> >> ignore >> >> it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can >> >> raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep >> >> happening. >> > >> >What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been >> >entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the >> >College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, >> >whether you have serious issues with the College or not. >> > >> > >> >> Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for >> >> discussion. >> > >> >It is, thus the conversation we are having now. >> > >> > >> >> Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to >> >> allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an >> >> educational institution. >> > >> >Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As >> >the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. >> > >> > >> >> The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me >> >> because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie >> >> Cary >> >> (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. >> > >> >I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to >> >someone about your pent up feelings. >> > >> > >> >> Also, allowing >> >> the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is >> >> absolutely unthinkable. >> > >> >Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president >> >and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and >> >cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been >> >expressed on this. >> > >> > >> >> Is Antioch all style and no >> >> substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked >> >> into. >> > >> >Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people >> >that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if >> >only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest >> >of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him >> >because he does good work. >> > >> >Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, >> >you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the >> >most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their >> >home and their intelligence. >> > >> >You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by >> >somebody more professional than this online confessional. >> > >> >I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I >> >for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to >> >make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a >> >part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. >> > >> >Sincerely, >> > >> >J. 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Play Chicktionary! >http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From GoodmanD at gtlaw.com Tue Jul 10 16:39:54 2007 From: GoodmanD at gtlaw.com (GoodmanD@gtlaw.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 16:52:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Innovation and Generation Blending In-Reply-To: <343174.81862.qm@web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think these ideas sound great and would like to see further discussion about them. Innovative! (I, personally, would rather the college not close at all for fear of never opening again but apart from that, I think we're on a nice track of a plan.) Senioritis is a growing disease (because after one suffers from it for a while, one will inevitably die) and I think we should research further. Also, different generations of folks can sometimes learn a lot from each other. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Robin Simons Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:31 PM To: Alumni Chat List Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics > > As an exercise in something or other, I sketched out a plan for > combining an Antioch College In Yellow Springs---with our familiar > values, an enlivened liberal arts curriculum, master teachers, > visiting lecturers, a co-op program, and community government---with > what I called an assisted living center---with services ranging from > adult education, adult day care, independent living, advanced nursing, > Alzheimer's care, and hospice. (I don't particularly like "assisted > living center" or "retirement community" > as descriptors of what goes on in places with those labels, but I > think we're stuck with them for a while.) > why not figure an elderhostel/senior college sort of thing, using our professors? you could probably have a pretty innovative progam, too. Elderhostel and maybe a senior track (some people have always wanted to go back to school and never had time, but if you live on the campus, why not?) at the college, as well as set up a gerontology program AT the college studying and doing hands on at the facility you designed, as well as doing oral history projects with the seniors as an elective at the history or psych departments. also the healthy seniors who come from education backgrounds could help at the college or maybe even teach? Robin '91 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From degamuna at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 16:52:58 2007 From: degamuna at yahoo.com (Dega Muna) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:05:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Alumni-chat Digest, Vol 5, Issue 27 In-Reply-To: <20070710193756.BC9EF6071B0E@w3.antioch.edu> Message-ID: <45117.55110.qm@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thelma, I have few things to say about your post re Antioch and immigrants. You are arguing for Antioch to become a school that gives people a good job. You wrote: "They send their kids to college to get a degree that can lead to a professional career ones with degrees that are more valuable because this is what immigrants want." I completely disagree. Immigrants come from all backgrounds. Some want their kids to learn ways they can be valuable to the struggle for immigrant's rights, for ending poverty and to be one who contributes to society. Yes, and make some money. Today's immigrants are as diverse as America. You wrote: "For people who have actually lived in a police state, or a crumbling post-colonialist emerging nation, or in a long-time colony, or a nation torn to shreds by violence, what current passes for political sophistication just won't cut it." As someone who lived in a police state, all the way from a war-torn Somalia, the culture of Antioch was both liberating and intense. I loved being part of the debate culture. Students were involved with everything, were thought to think for themselves, and were given freedom to discover for themselves. The rest of the culture, like Div dance, I think immigrant kids will not tell their parents. Be careful to not perpetuate the stereotype of the immigrants. Dega alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu wrote: Send Alumni-chat mailing list submissions to alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to alumni-chat-request@w3.antioch.edu You can reach the person managing the list at alumni-chat-owner@w3.antioch.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alumni-chat digest..." Today's Topics: 1. unfinished business (santcooper@aol.com) 2. Re: Antioch History (Sistersara@aol.com) 3. Coordinator (Dawn Scribner) 4. re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems (thanos) 5. Re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other P (dl bahr) 6. RE: Re: Antioch History (dl bahr) 7. Re: Don't just complain, get involved (mwdole) 8. RE: No sins to wash away (Jeffrey Terrell) 9. Re: No sins to wash away (Gabe) 10. "Hate"/demographics (Thelma Seto) 11. Re: Re: No sins to wash away (Jeffrey Terrell) 12. Re: Re: No sins to wash away (Gabe) 13. Re: No sins to wash away (dl bahr) 14. Re: Don't just complain, get involved (dl bahr) 15. Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting (Matthew Arnold) From: santcooper@aol.com To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:24:58 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] unfinished business We who experienced the strike of 73'certainly felt it in the gut as a watershed event,I remember how I felt "it was just a waste".Misdirected political energy at its most self distructive.The Poor peoples alliance for the most part funded the poorest of the poor.Financial aid still sustained alot of us ,federal guaranteed loans , beo grants.cwsp programs.My recollection is that many students who were paying full tuition fled after the strike.The new classes admitted were fewer,the country itself that had seen a decade of remarkable cultural change was itself changing.In my final years there I remember the feeling that many good faculty and students were fleeing. I also am of the school of thought that at that time there was a closing off a failure to adapt a denial.It was easy Yellow Springs which for me was a Magical Cauldron,was emptied of many of its greatest creative ingredients,and became a isolated shell of itself.But we survived,and I have met the alumni who graduated after me in the 80's and beyond and I see them as Antiochians (it takes one to know one.We are alive and more in the 17,000 of us there is more than just $$$$$$ resource.There is a creative energy that has never been tapped,stories and life experience.there is much We can bring to this school.If we are permitted to.Anyone out there like Toni's assisted living urban village?Screw the demographics..Mark twain said," there are lies,damn lies,and then there are statistics."If Antioch got its shit together is there anyone out there that really feels we could not attract 1,000 new students a year?One thing is for sure it won't be with the policies of the past where faculty dwindles and buildings close.I liked Steve Lawry when I met him here in sf this winter,But the idea of Co'op centers to group Antiochians out on coop to cut down on attrition is Bullshit it is a plan based on defensiveness and weakness survival.I always felt that the co-op s wild unknown alone was our strength and that some of the best of my generation went out on co op and never came back that was a success and strength not a bad thing.So they want to cleanse the cauldron now.Well that may be and maybe there's plenty of blame to go around,even for alumni like me who have the balls to post after they have not giving squat to the College since they left.We may need the Bot before this is over,Steve even Toni.I for one believe we need the Faculty and that what they bring us in continuity is indispensable.It seems like alot on the board have strong feelings about Bob,maybe he deserves the comments,we may yet find we will need him in the Antioch to be.Somebody should take the # of alumni who are willing to give now to save the College and go back to Gateway pay'em some real money and say,"Use your brains this time and come up with some real ideas" sc 76 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From: Sistersara@aol.com CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu To: fowen@kvvi.net Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:01:01 EDT Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History In a message dated 7/9/2007 10:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fowen@kvvi.net writes: If any housing is to be built on campus property, perhaps it should include units to accomodate the two groups of teachers I propose above. It was important for Antioch students to go on co-op. Perhaps it is interesting to think about bringing a changing and challenging faculty to campus every term as well. It is more fun to envision possiblities that to ponder what went wrong. Thanks again for your contribution to my growing understanding. I am still thinking about your Foundation idea. I address this directly to you as I am too timid to mix it up in the chat space. Cordially, Frank Owen Frank, if any additional housing is built on the campus it ought to be a copy of what Thomas Jefferson designed. How to do it. First hire a farmer with a really deep furrow plow attached to tractor, and dig up the whole front campus, moving both ways so as to root up everything at least 36 inches deep. Now many of the trees on front campus date from the Mann period, and as tree life goes, they are very elderly. Students should be working to find the seeds, put them into places where they can sprout, and be carefully cultivated. In the meantime, cut out the diseased and overaged trees. Few will be left after one season of seed depositing. Thomas Jefferson designed student digs that remain the most highly sought after digs on the University of Virginia Campus. It is by class rank and senior status that you get the right to live in the quill pen environment of 1820 University of Virginia. (no running water, no electricity, and no flush toilets) Well that does not need to be the exact model, but making the right kind of contour along N and S College Street could accommodate about 25 - 30 Jefferson sized cottages for students (and yes, with mod con's such as a toilet and bath) on each side of the so called great Antioch Lawn -- a lawn that is full of pot-holes actually dangerous for Frisbee, and needs what they gave to the great lawn in Central Park at least half that attention. I am not a soil scientist, but I think I understand the matter. Front campus needs a deep plowing, followed by a process that eliminates roots. Good lawns have drainage underpinnings, meaning that the campus clay should be underpinned by sand for drainage. Bulldozers are needed to push dirt one way, install sand, and push dirt the other way. Hopefully no one is offended by such. Yes, I know some seedling radishes may be displaced. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From: Dawn Scribner To: Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Coordinator I think there is way too much going on for one person to 'coordinate' all of it. I'm pretty comfortable with the hierarchy as it stands-with one or two folks heading up each area. Dawn '83 From: thanos To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Alumni-chat] re: Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other Problems I agree with Scott. Debra, the problem here is how to save Antioch College, not to engage in character assassination. I don't know if what you say is true or not, and I don't care. Whatever mixed feelings I may still have about some of the people at Antioch, I can lay them aside to help my college when it's down. You should do the same. Scrape the shit off your shoe and get to work. Thanos '88 Scott Warren wrote: >The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, >disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it >doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you live >with your hatred. >Scott Warren >Philosophy & Politics -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From: "dl bahr" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:28:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob and Other P Dear Scott: I do not see what has been posted as full of hate. When did you come to Antioch? Do I recollect that you were Dean of Students before you were professor of Politics & Philosophy? Who was the administrator(s) who hired you? There are many of us out here concerned for Antioch College. Some have given a huge piece of their precious time to the place, just like you. I know at least two sets of parents who no longer have daughters partially because they came to a place called Antioch. Believe me there have been more than maniquins that hung from those trees. I think of Ilana and Annie's parents when the closing of Antioch College was announced. Don't know who or what I am remembering? Maybe a few others on this chatline do remember. If not I will remember them. Yeah many people have given so much to keep that little piece of land afloat. I've known children and spouses and ex-spouses of Antioch College professors who have made major sacrifices. Think of the millions of dollars some have given generously out of their own earnings already. I know others who spent many years in developing a strategy to improve Antioch College who were barely given the time of day--people whose lives had been shaped by their education at Antioch College. Many who came to teach and stayed teaching without much reward for decades of their lives. Some who have been leaders and administrators as well. Some who even sent their children to this place, that is how much they loved Antioch College. Attacked and belittled, why? For asking questions? For stating concerns? For being concerned that the media coverage, including this closing has been very negative especially within the last 15 years? That alumni who carry the brand name of Antioch on every resume we write to be insulted for posing hard questions? Yet we show up on these chatlines and we write checks even when we are called gossips who only listen to hearsay, sharks, elitist snobs, mentally ill or nymphomaniacs for being the least critical. And now you are saying we are mean spirited and hateful. This is crap. I do not think it is wrong to ask people who are or have been paid administrators, paid to lead a college, paid to promote an image of that college, paid to raise funds, and to cultivate relationships to be accountable for their actions? I keep hearing the word tenure being held to a high level of importance, which I fully understand. Along with the concept of being a tenured faculty member also comes a concept of ethics which I also think you understand. There is another word that is also of prime importance, that is nepotism. Or if raising this is seen as a personal attack, how about just the plain old word, ACCOUNTABILITY. There has been some major "going down" happening at our beloved Antioch College in the last 20 years, and I do not think it is wrong to put those concerns out in the open for others to consider without getting attacked. We expect leaders to be accountable not to be bullies. Especially when they also want us to bail them out of their blunders while making us feel we are the outsiders and they are the only true Antiochians, and using students or their family as their shields rather than stepping up to the plate and admitting some of their own errors. No I do not like the word Toxic being put out on the airwaves, but it does wreak a little around the edges. Tell me again, why do I want to donate to this place? I already wrote quite a large check when I came there to study? Why do I want to support this legacy? I have heard it said that the past is simply what you remember--that people have selective memories. This is true. This is why you need more than one head. You need collective memory. This is what holds others accountable. This is what shapes policy. This is what gathers around those for support and for asking the tough questions. It is what our education taught us, to be critical thinkers, questioners, big dreamers, and caring stewards. It is the expectation that Antioch passed to us this trust in us to participate. In the paint studio, everyone had their work put in front of others for critique. It wasn't about receiving only praise, it was also accepting the reactions of others and learning from these reactions. I value that process to this day...even when some of the comments hurt my ego, or what seemed my most sacred sensibilities. It was part of being educated. There are many expecting alumni to step up to the plate and contribute money. Many of us are busy people who have a mixed bag of emotions about the state that the College is currently in and we are trying to determine what if anything can help the place. We are not on the ground and we are wondering who is? Best regards, Lesley A. Pownall Bahr >From: "Scott Warren" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: "Alumni Chat List" >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response, slightly relevant: More about Bob >and Other P >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:23:02 -0400 > >The personal attack on Bob and Callie is one of the most reprehensible, >disgusting, and nasty I have ever seen. It is so horrendous that it >doesn't even dignify a response. So I won't give it one. I hope you live >with your hatred. > >Scott Warren >Philosophy & Politics > > >Alumni Chat List on Monday, July 9, 2007 at >1:45 AM wrote: > > > >You. got it wrong greg. I!m not against the continuation of the college. > >I don't even think it should close for a few years to reopen anew since I > >don't think it will reopen if closed. I'm for taking a thorough look at > >the problems in hopes of fixing them. > > > >I also would like to see a plan of what will be done with the funds > >raised and I believe if we can come up with a plan, we could possibly > >attraxt large donations from alumni and, further down the road perhaps, > >other philanthropists. What plan will we present? > > > >Furthermore, there's no need for you to feel sorry for me. Save such > >feelings for people you care about. > > > >Finally I'll note that I have no interest whatsoever in your pat > >assesments of my emotional state or needs although it is interesting to > >note that such is the type of spew bob sends to people who disagree with > >him. Brainwashing anyone? > > > >Deb > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > > > >To: Alumni Chat List > >Sent: Mon Jul 09 01:03:55 2007 > >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Long response,slightly relevant: More about > >Bob and Other Problems > > > >Hello Debra, > > > >I have some responses for you. > > > > > >> Something most certainly has gone wrong and if we all continue to > >> ignore > >> it, no matter how much money we raise (and I seriously doubt we can > >> raise many millions without institutional interspection) it will keep > >> happening. > > > >What has gone wrong is that the Board of Trustees who have been > >entrusted with the running of the College have decided to close the > >College. A decision I and many many people are hoping to change, > >whether you have serious issues with the College or not. > > > > > >> Antioch should be a place where ideas are open for > >> discussion. > > > >It is, thus the conversation we are having now. > > > > > >> Alumni will always be a good source for fundraising and to > >> allow even a portion of them to be alienated is sure trouble for an > >> educational institution. > > > >Fundraising from now on will be much different I can assure you. As > >the alumni themselves have taken up the challenge. > > > > > >> The next portion I'm going to write is rather uncomfortable for me > >> because I'm going to say some things that are going to make Callie > >> Cary > >> (and probably a whole bunch of Bob Devine groupies) hate me. > > > >I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you and think you need to talk to > >someone about your pent up feelings. > > > > > >> Also, allowing > >> the trashing and graffiti in the upstairs of the union to prevail is > >> absolutely unthinkable. > > > >Graphiti in the union has been there since before Bob was president > >and you don't seem able to try and understand it's meaning and > >cultural reference even though some very eloquent thoughts have been > >expressed on this. > > > > > >> Is Antioch all style and no > >> substance? Maybe. It is something that should certainly be looked > >> into. > > > >Well I'm glad your here to look into dorm rooms for the few people > >that don't like Bob Devine as passionately as you don't. Now if > >only you could get past your own prejudice and realize that the rest > >of us are not blind cult followers and actually like and respect him > >because he does good work. > > > >Every time you talk shit about this college, that I love very dearly, > >you upset a lot of people including the current students who have the > >most to lose. The don't like you trashing their school and their > >home and their intelligence. > > > >You have serious emotional issues that need to be looked at by > >somebody more professional than this online confessional. > > > >I'm sorry that feel so strongly against the college continuing. I > >for one think it's is an incredible place and am working very hard to > >make sure that it continues to be. I would really like you to be a > >part of it's continuance and not it's destruction. > > > >Sincerely, > > > >J. 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Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From: "dl bahr" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:33:32 +0000 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History I am hearing you loud and clear Sister Sara. Lesley A. P. Bahr '83 >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: fowen@kvvi.net >CC: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: Antioch History >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:01:01 EDT > > >In a message dated 7/9/2007 10:58:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >fowen@kvvi.net writes: > >If any housing is to be built on campus property, perhaps it should >include >units to accomodate the two groups of >teachers I propose above. It was important for Antioch students to go on >co-op. Perhaps it is interesting to think >about bringing a changing and challenging faculty to campus every term as >well. > >It is more fun to envision possiblities that to ponder what went wrong. > >Thanks again for your contribution to my growing understanding. I am >still >thinking about your Foundation idea. I >address this directly to you as I am too timid to mix it up in the chat >space. Cordially, > >Frank Owen > > > >Frank, if any additional housing is built on the campus it ought to be a >copy of what Thomas Jefferson designed. > >How to do it. First hire a farmer with a really deep furrow plow attached >to tractor, and dig up the whole front campus, moving both ways so as to >root >up everything at least 36 inches deep. Now many of the trees on front >campus >date from the Mann period, and as tree life goes, they are very elderly. >Students should be working to find the seeds, put them into places where >they >can sprout, and be carefully cultivated. In the meantime, cut out the >diseased and overaged trees. Few will be left after one season of seed >depositing. > > >Thomas Jefferson designed student digs that remain the most highly sought >after digs on the University of Virginia Campus. It is by class rank and >senior status that you get the right to live in the quill pen environment >of 1820 >University of Virginia. (no running water, no electricity, and no flush >toilets) Well that does not need to be the exact model, but making the >right >kind of contour along N and S College Street could accommodate about 25 - >30 >Jefferson sized cottages for students (and yes, with mod con's such as a >toilet >and bath) on each side of the so called great Antioch Lawn -- a lawn that >is >full of pot-holes actually dangerous for Frisbee, and needs what they gave >to >the great lawn in Central Park at least half that attention. I am not a >soil >scientist, but I think I understand the matter. > >Front campus needs a deep plowing, followed by a process that eliminates >roots. Good lawns have drainage underpinnings, meaning that the campus >clay >should be underpinned by sand for drainage. Bulldozers are needed to push >dirt >one way, install sand, and push dirt the other way. Hopefully no one is >offended by such. Yes, I know some seedling radishes may be displaced. > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From: mwdole To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved On 7/9/07 10:14 PM, "Sistersara@aol.com" wrote: > >My own observations and recollections largely confirm Sistersara's description of Antioch over the years. Understanding context is very important in making sense of the past. A few comments. Fressa Baker Inman, director of admissions for many years, was a very proper lady who shared prevalent upper class biases and was reluctant to accept too many applicants from New York (Jews) and did not accept any African Americans to my knowledge until Paul and Jessie Treichler and others put the heat on her. Jim Dixon is a very nice guy and before becoming president of Antioch had an excellent reputation in Pennsylvania as a medical administrator. As president of Antioch, he very much wanted to reach out to African Americans As Sistersara says he got caught when the Republicans came to power and cancelled the college's grants. He genuinely believed that the many branches could extend the Antioch idea to working class adults. My guess is that running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex world of higher education. Art Dole From: "Jeffrey Terrell" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:35:01 -0400 Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned by its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more promising voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross lapses in decency and respect. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From: Gabe To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:00:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away It's not about "sin". It's about shadow -- the part of our behavior that we hide, repress, and deny. Individuals have shadows; families have them, and institutions have them. In my experience, all institutions, tell lies about themselves, and then tell lies about the fact that they lie. It's what Ollie Loud talked about: saving the appearances. Antioch has its shadows: an assumed sense of moral superiority, a na?ve arrogance about its purity in comparison with the world, a sense that we do something that no one else does. Antioch is a culture: of risk, adventure, and personal integration of experience. Yet other colleges have done what Antioch did and others will again. Reed, Bard, Goddard, Berea, others. There will always be an audience and a 'market' for this kind of educational approach. I hope we can revive the College, for everything we know it to be and all it has been for us, individually and collectively. But to describe the search for truth in our own shadows as some kind of self-flagellation is to mis-perceive the instinct for truth that the College instilled in all of us. If we had been more willing to look at Antioch's shadows during the past few decades, we might not be where we are now. I applaud those who are questioning what Antioch's past. It may seem like a useless exercise now, but to sweep decades of mismanagement under the rug of "let's keep Antioch open" is to invite more error and deeper blindness. It's not one or the other. It has to be both, or it winds up being very little at all. If we don't have the courage to face the truth about ourselves and our College, then what are we saving? Our memories? Gabe Heilig, '65 The Board, for sure, has its shadow, but from what I've read, p > These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" > that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned by > its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. > > I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more promising > voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross lapses in > decency and respect. > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From: "Thelma Seto" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Thanos-- Debra talked about several other issues besides Bob's lack of judgment regarding sexual partners--and, yes, too many other faculty have crossed a line they shouldn't have--but that is the only part of her post anyone has addressed, just as when she posted about the need for greater inclusion and tolerance on campus, posters focused on "women in dresses and make-up" (loose quote) and accused her of homophobia. And that is the only response she got. Perhaps this conversation might be better served if those who disagree could look at the whole post and address what the poster is actually saying. As to DEMOGRAPHICS and the alumni eagerness to "save" Antioch, we (the alums, as a group) have been too hasty, neglecting to look at the issues before us. Have the Alumni Board given a close look at the demographics and what the future Antioch must look like, in relation to the huge changes in the American population, in order to be viable? In light of Duffy's statement that we have to have at least 800 students to be "sustainable", have we taken a close look at what the demographic changes mean to Antioch College? I think not. I know some will jump on my neck for saying this, but many others agree with me: Antioch's primary focus group has been middle-class white Americans (and I include American Jews in this category). However, in 1998 the birth rate for native-born white American women was only 1.84 children on average. (In order words, the birth rate alone, without immigration, are causing the numbers of white Americans to decrease.) In 2000 children born to native-born American women OF ALL ETHNICITIES comprised only 25% of all births in this country. The percentage of children born to white American women was probably 40% of that--or less. That's approximately 8-9% of all children born here who, we hope, are potential recruits in another 11 years. I haven't seen a breakdown by class, but if Antioch remains much like it is today, and has been in the past, our potential pool of students is even smaller than that. Add to that the fact, as we all know, that "Antioch is not for everyone" and that most of that tiny fraction will not be interested in Antioch, and if you look at the actual population numbers of children between the ages of 0-15 in the US today, we are talking about a tiny number of potential students, half of which (even if they apply and ALL are accepted) will not choose Antioch and/or will drop out because they don't like it, for one reason or another. Best case scenario, if all these issues Debra and others have raised are addressed and resolved, we're talking about classes of 150-200 coming in each year. That's BEST CASE scenario. In reality, new classes will likely be smaller than that. In other words, we have to tap into the 75% of the children born here today, who are kids born to legal and illegal immigrants. We have to do this for the college's survival. And it would help if we could target the 60% (at least) of non-white children born to native-born American women, but Antioch's never been very good at that. Attempts in the past have blown up in her face. Antioch's survival depends on raising money, yes. But most of the immigrants parents are not going to want their kids at the Antioch of today. In order to tap into this huge (and growing) market, we have to change the social climate, and take a hard look at the academics, too. This isn't about Antioch's generational divide; this is just an economic and demographic fact. Antioch cannot survive on its traditional population. Every year this population becomes smaller and smaller. Some of it may be due to the campus culture, poor governance, weakened academics, and all manner of other factors. But we just can't make this work without a great deal of change to the face of Antioch. Economic and demographic factors will make this impossible. And we need to look closely at these issues. What's the point of putting all this energy into saving a school if we aren't willing to look at what has to be changed in order to make it sustainable? If the kids have not been born, and therefore DO NOT EXIST, how are we going to recruit them? We're not. I'm not a statistician but just a cursory look at the numbers tells me that maintaining a student population of 800--without taking demographic shifts into account--will be pretty close to impossible to do. This country has changed tremendously in the past 30 years. Antioch is still running on assumptions that are out of date. The Antioch of today is a dinosaur. Bash me, if you wish, but then get out of your community and drive around and look at the faces of today's Americans. Most of them do not look like you (or me, and I'm not white). And they have their own cultures and frames of references that are not yours. If Antioch is to survive, she HAS to include them. Without them, she dies. Immigrants are going to want a more stable and sensible and respectful campus culture. Some of the "norms" at Antioch will turn them off. A lot of the academics will appear beside the point. Of course, this is conjecture, but being something of an immigrant myself, and having more of an international background than most people on this Chat, I do know something about this. I came to Antioch for its tolerance, but much as I love the Antioch I attended, it was pretty poor on the subject of cultural sensitivity. Not because people didn't care or didn't mean well--they just lacked experience and sophistication in this area. IF things have changed, they haven't changed enough. These things need to be addressed--the social climate, the lack of oversight, the lack of commonsense, the lack of leadership--but also we cannot ignore the changing face of this country. We have to look closely at what is happening within the environment in which Antioch exists. YSO is an incredibly incestuous and insulated community. The country has changed dramatically. And Census projections indicate that the present teenage population will comprise only 60% of their age group in another 15 years. So the government clearly expects immigration to increase in the coming years at increasing levels. Whatever has been going on--whether professors sleeping with their students, or kids creating a drug co-op, or self-indulgent classified ads in The Record, or intimidation and threats of fellow community members, destruction of College property, etc.--will turn these potential students (or at least their parents, who hold the purse strings and--in immigrant families--have a lot of influence on their kids) off. For people who have actually lived in a police state, or a crumbling post-colonialist emerging nation, or in a long-time colony, or a nation torn to shreds by violence, what current passes for political sophistication just won't cut it. And making what currently passes for political sophistication--I'm trying hard to avoid the word, guys--is NOT what these immigrants want in their children's academic programs. They send their kids to college to get a degree that can lead to a professional career. They want rigor and they want discipline. And they're not going to consider today's school. It has neither. Internships, co-ops, these things can be used to make Antioch more desirable. But bells and whistles do not going to fool these sharp consumers. They see a college education as a PRIVILEGE, which it is, and they expect their kids to WORK. And if their kids don't work at college, there ARE consequences, I can guarantee that. They are looking at their whole family's survival in a country that often is not very welcoming, and their kids' success is a big part of their strategy. Education has primary importance to immigrant families--more important than any other aspect of their lives (except for family cohesion, which relates back to the campus culture). So Antioch doesn't just need to take a good, hard look at itself. It needs to revamp the program and academics and social climate in a big way. If successful, I'm not sure any of us will "recognize" the new Antioch. I think it could be a very exciting and hopeful change for the old girl. But it would mean some of the old guard would need to move over to allow fresh blood in. The administration and faculty needs to reflect the changing demographic. And it doesn't right now, any more than I expect the current student body does. Have we, as a group, even thought about who we are keeping this school alive for? Thelma _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From: "Jeffrey Terrell" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:24:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: No sins to wash away It's not about "sin," but "truth." I stand corrected, as corrected. However, I never said there was only one OTHER game in town: keeping the college open without scrutiny. Scrutiny is fine and healthy, and so are mutual respect and self-respect. I think about a community of alumni, students, administrators and staff and their commitments to each other. What do they share that make a community possible? I doubt it is truth. If truth's your goal, I'd rather have shared goals-- not uncritically shared, but it's not truth, either. It's just a bit strange for me to hear people say they'd risk a community for anything, unless they aren't a part of it. Cordially, Jeffrey Terrell '00 _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From: Gabe To: Alumni Chat List Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:44:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Re: No sins to wash away I'm not sure what "truth" is, since I only know my own piece of the Truth, and that only partially. To me, the Truth is a mosaic, of which we all have a holographic shard. Truth is in us. The question is whether we are in the truth: both the larger Truth and our individual truths, including the truth of what we lie about. We all fool ourselves; we all have blind spots; we all have shadows. The College has one too, and all I'm saying is that as long as we ignore it, it will keep sabotaging our efforts. I spent 5 days inside Folsom a few years ago, working with capital offenders doing very deep emotional release work. I felt as safe with them as with anyone I've ever known, not because I glamorized them but because I sensed they had gotten to the bottom of their shadows and they had come to a place where they could trust themselves and could receive others without illusion. That level of trust is rare, and we're a ways away from it, in my judgment. I think there's a value in naming shadows like these. Gabe Heilig, '65 > It's not about "sin," but "truth." > > I stand corrected, as corrected. > > However, I never said there was only one OTHER game in town: keeping the > college open without scrutiny. Scrutiny is fine and healthy, and so are > mutual respect and self-respect. > > I think about a community of alumni, students, administrators and staff and > their commitments to each other. What do they share that make a community > possible? > > I doubt it is truth. > > If truth's your goal, I'd rather have shared goals-- not uncritically > shared, but it's not truth, either. It's just a bit strange for me to hear > people say they'd risk a community for anything, unless they aren't a part > of it. > > Cordially, > > Jeffrey Terrell '00 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From: "dl bahr" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:45:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away Thank you Gabe for this perspective. I really appreciate your words. Lesley A.P. Bahr '83, BFA Buffalo & Ottertail, MN >From: Gabe >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] No sins to wash away >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:00:01 -0400 > > > > > >It's not about "sin". It's about shadow -- the part of our behavior that >we >hide, repress, and deny. Individuals have shadows; families have them, and >institutions have them. In my experience, all institutions, tell lies >about >themselves, and then tell lies about the fact that they lie. It's what >Ollie Loud talked about: saving the appearances. > >Antioch has its shadows: an assumed sense of moral superiority, a na?ve >arrogance about its purity in comparison with the world, a sense that we do >something that no one else does. Antioch is a culture: of risk, adventure, >and personal integration of experience. Yet other colleges have done what >Antioch did and others will again. Reed, Bard, Goddard, Berea, others. >There will always be an audience and a 'market' for this kind of >educational >approach. I hope we can revive the College, for everything we know it to >be >and all it has been for us, individually and collectively. But to describe >the search for truth in our own shadows as some kind of self-flagellation >is >to mis-perceive the instinct for truth that the College instilled in all of >us. If we had been more willing to look at Antioch's shadows during the >past few decades, we might not be where we are now. > >I applaud those who are questioning what Antioch's past. It may seem like >a >useless exercise now, but to sweep decades of mismanagement under the rug >of >"let's keep Antioch open" is to invite more error and deeper blindness. >It's not one or the other. It has to be both, or it winds up being very >little at all. If we don't have the courage to face the truth about >ourselves and our College, then what are we saving? Our memories? > >Gabe Heilig, '65 > > > The Board, for sure, has its shadow, but from what I've read, p > > > > These public-humiliation games, and the spin that Antioch has some "sin" > > that the community has to name and for which it must repent or be damned >by > > its wizened elders, are NOT the only game in town. > > > > I think I stand where Warren does. And I also bet that other, more >promising > > voices of reason will help put a period between us and these gross >lapses in > > decency and respect. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://liveearth.msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From: "dl bahr" To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:03:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved >My guess is that running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex >world of higher education. In response to the above excerpt from your post below, Art. Maybe in Dixon's era it was not good preparation for higher ed, but I do not know if I would totally rule it for this era's administrators. I work in health care--I have not come to any final conclusion about health care administrators except to wonder "Who the hell are these people?" They may have some useful skills that would benefit higher ed. I am not as quick to rule them out as you for all ages as you are, Art. Antioch College certainly needs some administrative doctoring, I would appreciate various perspectives for triage. Lesley A. P. Bahr '83, BFA Buffalo, MN >From: mwdole >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:09 -0400 > >On 7/9/07 10:14 PM, "Sistersara@aol.com" wrote: > > > > >My own observations and recollections largely confirm Sistersara's >description >of Antioch over the years. Understanding context is very important in >making >sense of the past. A few comments. Fressa Baker Inman, director of >admissions >for many years, was a very proper lady who shared prevalent upper class >biases >and was reluctant to accept too many applicants from New York (Jews) and >did not >accept any African Americans to my knowledge until Paul and Jessie >Treichler and >others put the heat on her. > >Jim Dixon is a very nice guy and before becoming president of Antioch had >an >excellent reputation in Pennsylvania as a medical administrator. As >president of Antioch, he very much wanted to reach out to African Americans >As Sistersara says he got caught when the Republicans came to power and >cancelled the college's grants. He genuinely believed that the many >branches >could extend the Antioch idea to working class adults. My guess is that >running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging into the complex >world of higher education. > >Art Dole > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From: Matthew Arnold CC: df@carnegie.org To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu, saveantioch@lists.antiochians.org, nyc@lists.antiochians.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Alumni-chat] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting Board of Trustees Vice Chair Dan Fallon answered questions for three hours last night at last week?s New York meeting, attended by 50 or so Antiochians. Here are some of the highlights from my notes (admittedly, sometimes indecipherable and incomplete, so I apologize for any errors). I report, you decide: The Board of Trustees will be meeting sometime in late August, probably either the weekend of the 23rd-26th or the weekend before that. The meeting will probably take place at a hotel proximate to a major airport in a central location (i.e., Chicago or Denver) to accommodate travelers from all over. Fallon is pushing for representatives of various constituencies ? staff, faculty, alumni, students and the Village ? to be included, but ?that?s not settled with the Board yet.? Since Reunion weekend, the trustees had a June 30 conference call on which they resolved to allow faculty to withdraw funds from pension reports without meeting customary age restrictions, heard reports from Alumni Reunion and discussed the late summer meeting. The 8-person executive committee has also had a call.Based on the recommendations of an external consultant (one R. T. Ingram, president emeritus of the Association of Governing Boards), the Board is looking at implementing a merger of the College and McGregor under a single executive with its own board. Ingram, Fallon said in an email, ?has proposed a new structure that would provide for a Board of Trustees for each campus of the university, with primary responsibility, for example, for appointing a campus president and for oversight and fiduciary care of the campus. There would also be a Board of Governors for Antioch University that would appoint a chancellor responsible for shared services among the campuses and for University-wide academic planning. In Yellow Springs, there would be a single institution, whose undergraduate division would be Antioch College, and whose graduate division would be McGregor, under the management of a single president reporting to a board just for that institution. The current chair of the Board of Trustees, Art Zucker, intends to appoint a commission to review this report and to recommend possible implementation actions to the board.? Fallon has been asked to chair this commission and hopes to arrive at a set of recommendations by the October or February board meetings.The way the financial exigency statement is written, the University cannot legally raise funds to keep the College open ? it can only collect funds for Antioch 2012. ?However, we are supporting the Alumni Board in their efforts, and they?re going gangbusters,? said Fallon. The College can solicit donations for urgent 2007-2008 needs and for the Annual Fund. Former alumni development head Risa Grimes said an Annual Fund campaign is in the works for this year and that staff positions will be dependent on the take. Fallon said he?s pressing for an official estimate of how much it would take to keep the College open, but couldn?t furnish one yet. ?I?m trying to get that question answered,? he said, ?but the nightmare of the Board is that you get energized and you raise $7 million and it?s not enough.? By his own (unofficial!) back-of-the-envelope calculations of the College?s short-term needs include: $18 million to cover an operating deficit and ?keep the buildings from falling down? over the next 5-6 years; $5 million to cover an existing deficit in restricted accounts uncovered by the CFO; $12 million for a new student center; $6 million to renovate the OK Library; $3-$5 million to make the dorms safe and another $3-$5 million for basic repairs. The total bill for urgently needed capital improvements (listed above) would be ?under $30 million.?Regarding that $5 million boo-boo, Fallon said a new CFO came in recently and ?in going through the records, discovered a number of accounts that were not accurately reported,? including a $5 million shortfall in restricted funds ? i.e., $5 million was taken out of funds earmarked for specific purposes and presumably used to patch a budgetary hole. Someone, he said, ?robbed Peter to pay Paul and forgot to pay Peter back.? This, together with the collapse in enrollments, meant a projected budgetary apocalypse was imminent, and so was a significant factor in the Board?s decision to close the school. Asked how the deficit went unknown for so long, he said that while the College?s finances have been audited every year, it had been a long time since a ?deep audit? had been performed.?Analysts are converging on Yellow Springs? to go over the College?s balance sheet, ?and in the next couple of weeks we?ll be able to put those numbers on the table? and offer benchmarks. Assuming the $18 million operating deficit could be patched over, the College would need 800 students within five years under the rosiest of scenarios, said Fallon, to approach being self-sustaining, and even at that number, would require continued subsidies from the other University campuses. Those projections placed the College ?in the midst of catastrophic bankruptcy by the middle of the 2008-2009 year.?The new McGregor building is ?a disconcerting set of circumstances.? Fallon said the Board agreed to the plan when ?the entire Village Council of Yellow Springs walked into our meeting and said ?We must have this building.?? Others present (not sure of their names) at the New York meeting interjected that McGregor administrators scared the Village Council into pushing for it by threatening to move Antioch McGregor to Dayton. The University agreed to put up $2-$3 million for it, with the rest to be paid for by state and Federal bonds. A similar bonding arrangement would not be available to the College, because it?s ?maxed out,? having missed a couple recent payments and seen its bond rating slide. A ?public-private arrangement where a developer comes in? and builds an assisted living facility or something might be a possibility, he said. This option was not well received by many at the New York meeting. The Board considered the possibilities of liquidating the endowment and/or other campuses. The latter wouldn?t work, Fallon said, because the process would be lengthy and wouldn?t bring in much money (the most valuable asset being the Antioch Seattle buildings, which might bring in $10-$11 million). Fallon said there?s no legal precedent for liquidating an endowment, so this would be an extremely risky strategy taking the University into uncharted waters. In order to do so, the University would have to get the Ohio Attorney General on its side and successfully plead its case before a Federal judge, who would more likely order the funds be used for comparable purposes (i.e., tuition for low income students) at other institutions.Fallon said he had not read the recent Yellow Springs News article (http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/07/070507_consultants.html) on the consultants hired to examine the College?s seaworthiness (i.e., Gateway and Pigman), but said the Board had directed Toni Murdock to get two external opinions about College finances. Thomas Chema, he said, was brought in because of his experience reviving Hiram College, and Pigman was brought in because of his bankruptcy expertise. Read the bit about Chema?s report saying the University?s preferred solution was suspension, he said: ?It seems to me that a conscientious administration would lay out 5-6 options and that could be one of them, and a muckraking reporter could turn that into a story . I don?t think there?s anything salacious there.? Advised that while the Chema report has been made public, the Pigman report hasn?t, Fallon said he?d push to get it out there. Fallon reiterated again and again that there is no legal distinction between the College and the University. The Board will not consider any plan to continue operations ?if the College is not sustainable,? he said. ?Sustainability? includes the ability to attract students, offer a high quality education and cover operating deficits. If the College closes, it will retain a skeleton staff funded by the current ($500,000-$1 million) subsidy from the other campuses. An administrator and several faculty could be retained. There would be some activity on campus over the four-year suspension, including a possible lecture series and online or even bricks and mortar courses being taught. Faculty salaries are ?immoral,? he said. So are the subsidies from other campuses, he said, which ?take money from struggling working class people and use that to plug a hole.?Glen Helen would be remanded to the State of Ohio for use as a state park, per the wishes of Hugh Taylor Birch, should the University ever close. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From gabe at ideadesign-dc.com Tue Jul 10 17:05:24 2007 From: gabe at ideadesign-dc.com (Gabe) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:18:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> Message-ID: Thelma, David, Bully for you! And, apropos of the recent NYTimes article about Boomers flocking to 1-day college 'courses' at colleges their kids are attending, why not turn Antioch into an intergenerational college? Now, that would solve several problems, since us older folks tend to need fewer scholarships, and we'd love to see our minds run around by 18-22 year old students. Today's young people are scary-smart, but there's nothing like....well as the old story goes, Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment. Antioch gave us all the experiential rope we could stand to generate our own independent judgment, good and bad. It would fabulous to bring all that together in a curricular design. In a sense, it would be like bringing the co-op experience to the campus, in terms of the accumulated wisdom that would enroll. Hey, I'm there! I think there's a lot of deep potential your idea, more than may strike one at first blush. Gabe Heilig, '65 > Thelma, > > Your remarks about demographics are spot on. The fact that it's the 800-lb > gorilla in the room seems to have escaped our colleagues who quarreled with > Debra's other points. > > One demographic that is heading UP at a little more than the same rate at > the college age population is going DOWN is the world's aging population. > The societal dislocations occasioned by the extended life expectancies of > our seasoned citizens and the need to provide and care for them are just now > beginning to be felt by both public and private institutions. In this > country alone, the economic consequences of these trends are gnarly enough > to make politically palatable solutions virtually impossible and thus the > paralysis in Washington over the past two decades with respect to facing up > to the funding of Medicare and Social Security as the demographic changes > noted above relentlessly continue to play out. Add to that the inevitable > changes to America's culture(s) as a result of the current massive > documented and undocumented immigration from all over the world. > > As an exercise in something or other, I sketched out a plan for combining an > Antioch College In Yellow Springs---with our familiar values, an enlivened > liberal arts curriculum, master teachers, visiting lecturers, a co-op > program, and community government---with what I called an assisted living > center---with services ranging from adult education, adult day care, > independent living, advanced nursing, Alzheimer's care, and hospice. (I > don't particularly like "assisted living center" or "retirement community" > as descriptors of what goes on in places with those labels, but I think > we're stuck with them for a while.) > > Anyway, the email containing the sketch was posted on > http://antirecord.org/node/590 by my good friend Yazz Allen '66. I haven't > gotten any responses. That's probably because it accepts the Board of > Trustees decision to close down the College and proposes a reinvention using > the College's substantial real estate assets as a source of a sustainable > revenue stream for the undergraduate program. > > I am not wedded to this admittedly sketchy proposal and I certainly have not > done the numbers on it. But I wonder if this is the kind of thinking about > the future you think alumni might want to pursue. I personally think that > blue-sky imaginations about the future (2012 and beyond) are worthwhile even > if it opens up the dreamer to criticisms from those who feel threatened or > ideologically opposed to such ideas. > > What do you think? > > J. David Coldren '65 > > -----Original Message----- > From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu > [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:23 AM > To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics > > Thanos-- > > Debra talked about several other issues besides Bob's lack of judgment > regarding sexual partners--and, yes, too many other faculty have crossed a > line they shouldn't have--but that is the only part of her post anyone has > addressed, just as when she posted about the need for greater inclusion and > tolerance on campus, posters focused on "women in dresses and make-up" > (loose quote) and accused her of homophobia. And that is the only response > she got. Perhaps this conversation might be better served if those who > disagree could look at the whole post and address what the poster is > actually saying. > > As to DEMOGRAPHICS and the alumni eagerness to "save" Antioch, we (the > alums, as a group) have been too hasty, neglecting to look at the issues > before us. Have the Alumni Board given a close look at the demographics and > > what the future Antioch must look like, in relation to the huge changes in > the American population, in order to be viable? In light of Duffy's > statement that we have to have at least 800 students to be "sustainable", > have we taken a close look at what the demographic changes mean to Antioch > College? > > I think not. > > I know some will jump on my neck for saying this, but many others agree with > > me: Antioch's primary focus group has been middle-class white Americans > (and I include American Jews in this category). However, in 1998 the birth > rate for native-born white American women was only 1.84 children on average. > > (In order words, the birth rate alone, without immigration, are causing > the numbers of white Americans to decrease.) In 2000 children born to > native-born American women OF ALL ETHNICITIES comprised only 25% of all > births in this country. The percentage of children born to white American > women was probably 40% of that--or less. That's approximately 8-9% of all > children born here who, we hope, are potential recruits in another 11 years. > > I haven't seen a breakdown by class, but if Antioch remains much like it > is today, and has been in the past, our potential pool of students is even > smaller than that. Add to that the fact, as we all know, that "Antioch is > not for everyone" and that most of that tiny fraction will not be interested > > in Antioch, and if you look at the actual population numbers of children > between the ages of 0-15 in the US today, we are talking about a tiny number > > of potential students, half of which (even if they apply and ALL are > accepted) will not choose Antioch and/or will drop out because they don't > like it, for one reason or another. Best case scenario, if all these issues > > Debra and others have raised are addressed and resolved, we're talking about > > classes of 150-200 coming in each year. That's BEST CASE scenario. In > reality, new classes will likely be smaller than that. > > In other words, we have to tap into the 75% of the children born here today, > > who are kids born to legal and illegal immigrants. We have to do this for > the college's survival. And it would help if we could target the 60% (at > least) of non-white children born to native-born American women, but > Antioch's never been very good at that. Attempts in the past have blown up > in her face. > > Antioch's survival depends on raising money, yes. But most of the > immigrants parents are not going to want their kids at the Antioch of today. > > In order to tap into this huge (and growing) market, we have to change the > > social climate, and take a hard look at the academics, too. This isn't > about Antioch's generational divide; this is just an economic and > demographic fact. Antioch cannot survive on its traditional population. > Every year this population becomes smaller and smaller. Some of it may be > due to the campus culture, poor governance, weakened academics, and all > manner of other factors. But we just can't make this work without a great > deal of change to the face of Antioch. Economic and demographic factors > will make this impossible. And we need to look closely at these issues. > > What's the point of putting all this energy into saving a school if we > aren't willing to look at what has to be changed in order to make it > sustainable? If the kids have not been born, and therefore DO NOT EXIST, > how are we going to recruit them? We're not. > > I'm not a statistician but just a cursory look at the numbers tells me that > maintaining a student population of 800--without taking demographic shifts > into account--will be pretty close to impossible to do. > > This country has changed tremendously in the past 30 years. Antioch is > still running on assumptions that are out of date. The Antioch of today is > a dinosaur. Bash me, if you wish, but then get out of your community and > drive around and look at the faces of today's Americans. Most of them do > not look like you (or me, and I'm not white). And they have their own > cultures and frames of references that are not yours. If Antioch is to > survive, she HAS to include them. Without them, she dies. > > Immigrants are going to want a more stable and sensible and respectful > campus culture. Some of the "norms" at Antioch will turn them off. A lot > of the academics will appear beside the point. Of course, this is > conjecture, but being something of an immigrant myself, and having more of > an international background than most people on this Chat, I do know > something about this. I came to Antioch for its tolerance, but much as I > love the Antioch I attended, it was pretty poor on the subject of cultural > sensitivity. Not because people didn't care or didn't mean well--they just > lacked experience and sophistication in this area. IF things have changed, > they haven't changed enough. > > These things need to be addressed--the social climate, the lack of > oversight, the lack of commonsense, the lack of leadership--but also we > cannot ignore the changing face of this country. We have to look closely at > > what is happening within the environment in which Antioch exists. YSO is an > > incredibly incestuous and insulated community. The country has changed > dramatically. And Census projections indicate that the present teenage > population will comprise only 60% of their age group in another 15 years. > So the government clearly expects immigration to increase in the coming > years at increasing levels. > > Whatever has been going on--whether professors sleeping with their students, > > or kids creating a drug co-op, or self-indulgent classified ads in The > Record, or intimidation and threats of fellow community members, destruction > > of College property, etc.--will turn these potential students (or at least > their parents, who hold the purse strings and--in immigrant families--have a > > lot of influence on their kids) off. > > For people who have actually lived in a police state, or a crumbling > post-colonialist emerging nation, or in a long-time colony, or a nation torn > > to shreds by violence, what current passes for political sophistication just > > won't cut it. And making what currently passes for political > sophistication--I'm trying hard to avoid the word, guys--is NOT what these > immigrants want in their children's academic programs. They send their kids > > to college to get a degree that can lead to a professional career. They > want rigor and they want discipline. And they're not going to consider > today's school. It has neither. Internships, co-ops, these things can be > used to make Antioch more desirable. But bells and whistles do not going to > > fool these sharp consumers. They see a college education as a PRIVILEGE, > which it is, and they expect their kids to WORK. And if their kids don't > work at college, there ARE consequences, I can guarantee that. They are > looking at their whole family's survival in a country that often is not very > > welcoming, and their kids' success is a big part of their strategy. > Education has primary importance to immigrant families--more important than > any other aspect of their lives (except for family cohesion, which relates > back to the campus culture). > > So Antioch doesn't just need to take a good, hard look at itself. It needs > to revamp the program and academics and social climate in a big way. If > successful, I'm not sure any of us will "recognize" the new Antioch. I > think it could be a very exciting and hopeful change for the old girl. But > it would mean some of the old guard would need to move over to allow fresh > blood in. The administration and faculty needs to reflect the changing > demographic. And it doesn't right now, any more than I expect the current > student body does. > > Have we, as a group, even thought about who we are keeping this school alive > > for? > > Thelma > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!? > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From pas0705 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 17:16:30 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Tue Jul 10 17:29:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] declaration of financial exigency comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <726951.44290.qm@web63910.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The University Administration cited enrollment projections from the renewal commission report, as the basis for their case for current financial difficulties. If the financial crisis is so extreme, why do they need to use 3-year old enrollment projections to support their case? The renewal commission report's enrollment projections were shown to be wrong starting September 05, with an enrollment class of size 60. Is the University Administration really trying to make us believe that they based the actual budgets for 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 on enrollment projections that were shown to be wrong September 2005? Some quick back of envelope calculations (hey, if a vice-chair for the board can do it, so can I) show us the Fall of 05 entering class was 156 students short of the Renewal projections, while the same comparison for the Fall of 06 shows a shortage of 96 entering students compared to projections. However, in the Fall of 06, the 05 class contributed to another 91 student shortage, making the Fall of 06 187 students short of Renewal Report projections for the 05 and 06 entering classes. Since the University Financial Exigency statement attributes the deficit ENTIRELY to enrollment, the University Administration is telling us that 05-06 had only a 1.5 mil deficit, even though the entering class was 156 students short; while 06-07 had a 5 mil deficit due primarily to the shortages of the entering classes for those two years of 187 students? Even though they KNEW in the Fall of 05 that they already would be short 91 students in the fall of 06, since they were the direct result of the small size of the 05 entering class? And what exactly did the University Administration do in October of 05 to get the College through the financial difficulties caused by the low enrollment of the 05 entering class? I find it as no surprise whatsoever that after starting to ask questions regarding enrollment last week, Board members are now coming up with other "previously unreported" financial reasons why exigency was required. We don't need a "in-depth" investigation of the College's finances. We need full and open investigations of the UNIVERSITY's finances and budgeting practices. Since the Fall of 04. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Shel623 at aol.com Tue Jul 10 17:54:23 2007 From: Shel623 at aol.com (Shel623@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:07:12 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] mother of incoming freshman Message-ID: As the mother of an incoming freshman, I have new concerns and worries with each passing day. Now that I read about layoffs in administration, the library, housekeeping, the cafeteria, etc., I wonder what campus life will be like for our daughter. yes, the faculty will be there. But will other colleges welcome these students easily next year and accept their credits. And why weren't we told earlier in the year about the problems Antioch was having? Why were students being actively recruited when the school was in such a dismal financial situation? Why weren't people honest with us? What will the mood be on campus this year? Why didn't we know about the layoffs in February? My questions go on and on. My daughter is committed to attending Antioch in August. She will be there. I will be there, too. but with many qualms and concerns. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From marklp2 at comcast.net Tue Jul 10 17:54:37 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (marklp2@comcast.net) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:07:23 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (GO GREEN)Housing and building plans and Immigrants Message-ID: <071020072154.11031.4694001D0008309B00002B172200745672CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Again for the nth time, the social entrepreneurship approach originated by Arthur Morgan blends social justice, environmentalism, and entrepreneurship and career development. This is the key to Antioch's renewal. See Berea College's Enterpreneurship for the Public Good Program. Also it would be good to find out who invested their endowment. Up from $150 million to $1,000,000,000 in a little over 20 years. Mark P. '71 The social entrepreneurship guy -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Karen Kotiw > Green. > > We are missing an important opportunity if the planning of any building or > retrofitting at Antioch College does not incorporate green building techniques > or green energy technology. Several colleges that I like to think are our > reference group are emerging as leaders in green. > > See Berea College's Eco Dorm and other activites: > http://www.berea.edu/sens/sustainablecampus/documents/february-06.pdf > http://www.berea.edu/sens/ecovillage/commons_house.asp > http://www.berea.edu/bcnow/story.asp?ArticleID=602 > > Warren Wilson's Farm > http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~farm/article.php3?id_article=3 > They have a mission of Work, Service and Academics. Sound familiar? > > It's not just Hampshire and Evergreen, there are lots of little colleges that > are making a difference and THRIVING. How do they do it?????? Do you know? Is > the answer always "the endowment"? By the way, Berea's students do not pay > tuition. They are not far from Antioch, in Kentucky, half way between Antioch > and Warren Wilson. > > We are a part of an Eco League with other colleges. What does this entail? > http://www.ecoleague.org/ > How the Eco League Works (from Prescott) > Eco League exchanges are open to students studying any academic area. > Prescott College students may spend up to two non-sequential semesters at Eco > League institutions during their sophomore and junior years. > Students continue to pay full-time tuition to their home institution. Lab, > course fees and room and board are paid to the institution the student is > visiting. Travel costs are covered by the student. > Credits earned at Eco League institutions are transferred back to the home > institution. > There is no application for students interested in attending an Eco League > institution; however, students must fill out an "Intent to Participate" form. > Students are expected to return to their home institution upon completion of > the Eco League semester(s). > See Admissions, Registrar's, or RDP Dean's offices for more details. > What does Antioch bring to this, besides a trip to Brazil? > http://www.ecoleague.org/members/antioch.php > > Compare our offerings to College of the Atlantic: > > Notable Eco Activities > COA is the first college in the United States to become carbon neutral, > off-setting all carbon emissions with the purchase of renewable energy credits. > In Fall 2008, the Davis Residential Village will open on campus. This new > cluster of student housing will be at the vanguard of sustainable, "green" > building and will serve as a model to the community and to colleges across the > country. > Or Green Mountain: > > Notable Eco Activities > The 85-acre Deane Nature Preserve is used for research, education and > recreation. > A campus farm, run by a student farm crew, features oxen, sheep, and > chickens, and a market garden. The farm is part of a bigger local foods program, > which strives to localize our ecological footprint by purchasing $60,000 > annually in local foods. > An adventure program sponsors outdoor excursions in the Green and Adirondack > Mountains. > The College gets over 50 percent of its electricity from Cow Power. > C'MON! Our Glen Helen is bigger than that, not to mention John Bryan! > > Even Alaska Pacific has a working farm: > > Notable Eco Activities > Student eco-projects are carried out at The Kellogg Farm (our environmental > education center), throughout Alaska, and elsewhere in the world. The Senior > Project is a 12-credit student-designed project that caps the undergraduate > experience. > This is a vision of Antioch that I would like to see, and be a part of > creating. > Karen Kotiw '98 > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From gabe at ideadesign-dc.com Tue Jul 10 18:09:06 2007 From: gabe at ideadesign-dc.com (Gabe) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:21:52 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] mother of incoming freshman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You and your daughter are to be saluted. My guess about the mood on campus is that, once the alumni of this College get ourselves organized, the mood on campus may well be far better than it has been. Antioch grads are not the type to let the College sink without a hell of a fight -- and not just a fight, but a plan and money and action behind it. Your daughter may well find herself in the midst of a cauldron of educational activism. It could all turn into a debacle of despair and blaming, but I have a hunch that this may become quite an adventure. And that is precisely what students come to Antioch to experience. Your daughter could play it safe, but that's not why she's coming. I applaud you for even contemplating sending her now, and I support your questions about why none of this was communicated before now. Gabe Heilig, '65 > > As the mother of an incoming freshman, I have new concerns and worries with > each passing day. Now that I read about layoffs in administration, the > library, housekeeping, the cafeteria, etc., I wonder what campus life will be > like > for our daughter. yes, the faculty will be there. But will other colleges > welcome these students easily next year and accept their credits. And why > weren't we told earlier in the year about the problems Antioch was having? > Why > were students being actively recruited when the school was in such a dismal > financial situation? Why weren't people honest with us? What will the mood > be on campus this year? Why didn't we know about the layoffs in February? > My questions go on and on. My daughter is committed to attending Antioch in > August. She will be there. I will be there, too. but with many qualms and > concerns. > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From tgseto at hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 18:30:01 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Tue Jul 10 18:42:49 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> Message-ID: Hey, Dave-- Antiochian synergy in action! This is definitely NOT what I had in mind! But I like it--with some caveats. This post is inevitably going to be long so take a pee break. First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together? Message-ID: Steve Case began Revolution LLC. He founded AOL, then was forced out when they merged with Time-Warner (investigations, etc.--don't know the history of this). He's into making money, but recognizes this market as being very lucrative. He was on last year's Forbes' 400 Richest Americans (all billionaires). Thelma _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From celticbear3 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 20:05:48 2007 From: celticbear3 at yahoo.com (Robin Heise) Date: Tue Jul 10 20:18:35 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] mother of incoming freshman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <326030.63821.qm@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As a staff member at the College, I will do my best to answer your questions. And why weren't we told earlier in the year about the > problems Antioch was having? Why were students being actively recruited when the school was in such a dismal > financial situation? The Office of Admissions, as all of the offices on campus, were not aware of the situation until a meeting that was held on June 12, 2007. Once the official announcement was made, all active recruiting efforts ceased. Why weren't people honest > with us? Everyone was being honest, to the best of their knowledge. Unfortunately, the truth about the state of the college had not been communicated to staff members until June 12, 2007. None of the Admissions staff, faculty, or other staff intentionally lied....we just didn't have all of the facts. Message-ID: <003c01c7c34f$f9b8a990$50761a45@wasbdzt3eud7ix> There is much in this set of notes, which I am thankful that Matt posted. For me, however, the biggest one is: "If the BoT can now talk about separate boards for the individual campuses, why could they not have done that before suspending the operation at the College?" Perhaps the answer is that if the BoT had been doing its job, and not sleepwalking, and had been more responsive, this could have come much earlier. Steve Wasby '59 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Arnold" To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: [Alumni-chat] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting Board of Trustees Vice Chair Dan Fallon answered questions for three hours last night at last week?s New York meeting, attended by 50 or so Antiochians. Here are some of the highlights from my notes (admittedly, sometimes indecipherable and incomplete, so I apologize for any errors). I report, you decide: The Board of Trustees will be meeting sometime in late August, probably either the weekend of the 23rd-26th or the weekend before that. The meeting will probably take place at a hotel proximate to a major airport in a central location (i.e., Chicago or Denver) to accommodate travelers from all over. Fallon is pushing for representatives of various constituencies ? staff, faculty, alumni, students and the Village ? to be included, but ?that?s not settled with the Board yet.? Since Reunion weekend, the trustees had a June 30 conference call on which they resolved to allow faculty to withdraw funds from pension reports without meeting customary age restrictions, heard reports from Alumni Reunion and discussed the late summer meeting. The 8-person executive committee has also had a call.Based on the recommendations of an external consultant (one R. T. Ingram, president emeritus of the Association of Governing Boards), the Board is looking at implementing a merger of the College and McGregor under a single executive with its own board. Ingram, Fallon said in an email, ?has proposed a new structure that would provide for a Board of Trustees for each campus of the university, with primary responsibility, for example, for appointing a campus president and for oversight and fiduciary care of the campus. There would also be a Board of Governors for Antioch University that would appoint a chancellor responsible for shared services among the campuses and for University-wide academic planning. In Yellow Springs, there would be a single institution, whose undergraduate division would be Antioch College, and whose graduate division would be McGregor, under the management of a single president reporting to a board just for that institution. The current chair of the Board of Trustees, Art Zucker, intends to appoint a commission to review this report and to recommend possible implementation actions to the board.? Fallon has been asked to chair this commission and hopes to arrive at a set of recommendations by the October or February board meetings.The way the financial exigency statement is written, the University cannot legally raise funds to keep the College open ? it can only collect funds for Antioch 2012. ?However, we are supporting the Alumni Board in their efforts, and they?re going gangbusters,? said Fallon. The College can solicit donations for urgent 2007-2008 needs and for the Annual Fund. Former alumni development head Risa Grimes said an Annual Fund campaign is in the works for this year and that staff positions will be dependent on the take. Fallon said he?s pressing for an official estimate of how much it would take to keep the College open, but couldn?t furnish one yet. ?I?m trying to get that question answered,? he said, ?but the nightmare of the Board is that you get energized and you raise $7 million and it?s not enough.? By his own (unofficial!) back-of-the-envelope calculations of the College?s short-term needs include: $18 million to cover an operating deficit and ?keep the buildings from falling down? over the next 5-6 years; $5 million to cover an existing deficit in restricted accounts uncovered by the CFO; $12 million for a new student center; $6 million to renovate the OK Library; $3-$5 million to make the dorms safe and another $3-$5 million for basic repairs. The total bill for urgently needed capital improvements (listed above) would be ?under $30 million.?Regarding that $5 million boo-boo, Fallon said a new CFO came in recently and ?in going through the records, discovered a number of accounts that were not accurately reported,? including a $5 million shortfall in restricted funds ? i.e., $5 million was taken out of funds earmarked for specific purposes and presumably used to patch a budgetary hole. Someone, he said, ?robbed Peter to pay Paul and forgot to pay Peter back.? This, together with the collapse in enrollments, meant a projected budgetary apocalypse was imminent, and so was a significant factor in the Board?s decision to close the school. Asked how the deficit went unknown for so long, he said that while the College?s finances have been audited every year, it had been a long time since a ?deep audit? had been performed.?Analysts are converging on Yellow Springs? to go over the College?s balance sheet, ?and in the next couple of weeks we?ll be able to put those numbers on the table? and offer benchmarks. Assuming the $18 million operating deficit could be patched over, the College would need 800 students within five years under the rosiest of scenarios, said Fallon, to approach being self-sustaining, and even at that number, would require continued subsidies from the other University campuses. Those projections placed the College ?in the midst of catastrophic bankruptcy by the middle of the 2008-2009 year.?The new McGregor building is ?a disconcerting set of circumstances.? Fallon said the Board agreed to the plan when ?the entire Village Council of Yellow Springs walked into our meeting and said ?We must have this building.?? Others present (not sure of their names) at the New York meeting interjected that McGregor administrators scared the Village Council into pushing for it by threatening to move Antioch McGregor to Dayton. The University agreed to put up $2-$3 million for it, with the rest to be paid for by state and Federal bonds. A similar bonding arrangement would not be available to the College, because it?s ?maxed out,? having missed a couple recent payments and seen its bond rating slide. A ?public-private arrangement where a developer comes in? and builds an assisted living facility or something might be a possibility, he said. This option was not well received by many at the New York meeting. The Board considered the possibilities of liquidating the endowment and/or other campuses. The latter wouldn?t work, Fallon said, because the process would be lengthy and wouldn?t bring in much money (the most valuable asset being the Antioch Seattle buildings, which might bring in $10-$11 million). Fallon said there?s no legal precedent for liquidating an endowment, so this would be an extremely risky strategy taking the University into uncharted waters. In order to do so, the University would have to get the Ohio Attorney General on its side and successfully plead its case before a Federal judge, who would more likely order the funds be used for comparable purposes (i.e., tuition for low income students) at other institutions.Fallon said he had not read the recent Yellow Springs News article (http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2007/07/070507_consultants.html) on the consultants hired to examine the College?s seaworthiness (i.e., Gateway and Pigman), but said the Board had directed Toni Murdock to get two external opinions about College finances. Thomas Chema, he said, was brought in because of his experience reviving Hiram College, and Pigman was brought in because of his bankruptcy expertise. Read the bit about Chema?s report saying the University?s preferred solution was suspension, he said: ?It seems to me that a conscientious administration would lay out 5-6 options and that could be one of them, and a muckraking reporter could turn that into a story ?. I don?t think there?s anything salacious there.? Advised that while the Chema report has been made public, the Pigman report hasn?t, Fallon said he?d push to get it out there. Fallon reiterated again and again that there is no legal distinction between the College and the University. The Board will not consider any plan to continue operations ?if the College is not sustainable,? he said. ?Sustainability? includes the ability to attract students, offer a high quality education and cover operating deficits. If the College closes, it will retain a skeleton staff funded by the current ($500,000-$1 million) subsidy from the other campuses. An administrator and several faculty could be retained. There would be some activity on campus over the four-year suspension, including a possible lecture series and online or even bricks and mortar courses being taught. Faculty salaries are ?immoral,? he said. So are the subsidies from other campuses, he said, which ?take money from struggling working class people and use that to plug a hole.?Glen Helen would be remanded to the State of Ohio for use as a state park, per the wishes of Hugh Taylor Birch, should the University ever close. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM From jdavid at coldren.net Tue Jul 10 22:36:56 2007 From: jdavid at coldren.net (J. David Coldren) Date: Tue Jul 10 22:49:45 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: References: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> Message-ID: <019201c7c364$59923b10$0cb6b130$@net> Thelma, What a nice change! A discussion about the future that is substantive. Thanks for joining in. I hope others feel free to sound off as well. I'm trying not to defend my little proposal too much and I certainly won't dignify it with the word "plan" yet. But let me try to respond to some of your observations and criticisms because I have thought more about some of the details than shows up in my emails. Actually, the proposal was first written in response to an email from Mark Pomerantz in an effort to find common ground with his social entrepreneurship ideas and experiences. I don't know how compatible he thinks these two ideas are. BTW, Gabe Heilig has suggested off-list that a good name for this combination of students, seasoned citizens, faculty, and staff would be: "Inter-Generational Learning Environment." I like it. I may have misled you with the inclusion of an Alzheimer's unit in the assisted living center. I don't mean for Antioch College's Board of Trustees, administration, faculty or staff to have day-to-day responsibility for anything other than the liberal arts education enterprise. There are perfectly competent organizations---for profit and non-profit---that know how to run an assisted living center with an Alzheimer's wing, for instance. Other organizations are more competent than an educational institution at food services, medical facilities, hotels (residence halls), maintenance, security, etc. which is why so many colleges and universities outsource those services. They key, of course, is having a senior college executive who knows what the community expects in terms of service standards, who knows how to write and negotiate contracts, and who knows how to monitor for compliance. I'm thinking of fewer administrators worrying about caregivers, cafeteria workers, or security guards and more administrators focused on admissions, public relations, and development. Just my preferences -- after years of having to cope with the dilution of efforts for the main mission because we could not outsource non-mission critical tasks. Before anybody's political hackles rise too far, I'm not talking about outsourcing off-shore! I just don't want Adcil and others responsible for educational excellence worrying about dining room menus, medicine supplies, or grass seed. I concur with your analogy with Ghost Ranch. I am familiar with their program and I admire the results they get for their efforts. > I do not believe this means shutting down operations. Not with our energy acting as an impetus, anyhow. Respectfully, I believe no amount of energy on our part will impel the Trustees to cease operations of AC in YSO. That decision has already been made and nothing in the offing has any real prospect of changing the financial situation enough to make them reverse themselves. This is not what I want. Emotionally, it hurts. But cold calculations have to trump emotions sometimes. I agree with your comments about the desirability of making the campus as environmentally friendly as possible. I live in a berm house we built last year under a sand dune in NW Indiana in a "conservation condominium" on 200 acres of land. My roof is covered with green plants. We were finally able to get an efficient radiant heat system installed using "on demand" tiny Rennai heating units. But we were unable to find any commercially available solar arrays or wind turbines that would make a significant contribution to our energy needs. They'll be available within the decade, though. So I don't want to be too rigid about forcing the costs up and the efficiencies down at Antioch either. With regard to using Marriott or Hyatt, for example, to manage food services or residence halls, > NO. An adamant NO. NO Marriott, Hyatt, et al. NO multi-national corporations or huge corporate empires on Antioch's campus. NO, NO, NO! There are smaller outfits that can do this better. I am sure of it. Ideally this would be a small outfit that will focus on this one community and none other. We have seen the damage a larger corporate structure can do to this community. Let's not repeat that mistake. OK. OK. OK. I get your anti-corporate attitude. Let's work to find a small outfit that can perform the jobs we'll need done. Maybe one exists. Hopefully, they'll be price competitive with the big guys because in the end it's the students' money we're spending. I think it was Arthur Morgan who used to remind Antiochians that "we live and work in the only available world." Right now, we live and work in a capitalist economy with a large welfare state. By welfare I mean we are an equal opportunity welfare state in that we distribute wealth to the poor, the rich, to unions, to corporations, to small farmers, to big farmers, to the young, and to the elderly. Until the Revolution, as we used to say in jest during the 60s, I am comfortable working within that framework. If a renewed Antioch is to succeed it too must live and work in the only available world while perfecting that world over time. As for the rest, I think we're in general agreement on the "ends" if not the "means." And besides, I've rambled on long enough. No wonder I keep bring up the need for an Alzheimer's wing! In case the Bandwidth Police are lurking, I plead nolo contendere to the sin of not snipping the following message. I don't think my reply can make much sense without Thelma's original. Thanks again, Thelma, for the civilized exchange of ideas. Maybe we're onto something! J. David Coldren '65 -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:30 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Hey, Dave-- Antiochian synergy in action! This is definitely NOT what I had in mind! But I like it--with some caveats. This post is inevitably going to be long so take a pee break. First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together? Message-ID: What Thelma said. I'm all for this. Also, I'd certainly be willing to donate my time and sweat to helping to build any/all of these great ideas on campus and bet a whole bunch of alumni would do the same. Also, imagine the PR this would generate....caring alumni, current students, faculty, staff and administrators (physically) rebuilding the place they cherish. This is actually exciting! I bet it is really doable. Step by step. Debra '83 -------------------------------------------------------- Tax Advice Disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS under Circular 230, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments), unless otherwise specifically stated, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any matters addressed herein. The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. It is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:30 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Hey, Dave-- Antiochian synergy in action! This is definitely NOT what I had in mind! But I like it--with some caveats. This post is inevitably going to be long so take a pee break. First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together? Message-ID: Dave-- I do think we are onto something. As someone told me off-list, what we are lacking is process, which we need to succeed in this endeavor. Thus far, we don't have one. There's not much transparency. We don't know what committees are thinking. Thankfully, someone just posted an update on what the Board is saying. That was a great post, by the way, and very welcome. It gives us something tangible to work with, despite a number of unanswered questions in their report. If you think the College will have to close, inevitably, in 2008--at least for a time--I bow to your greater wisdom, oh aged one. But I think we must work as though we believe it possible to keep it open, understanding that it's an uphill battle. I'd like to see Mark's ideas, as well. Mark, could you post them in the body of an e-mail, PLEASE? They key, of course, is having a senior college executive who knows what the community expects in terms of service standards, who knows how to write and negotiate contracts, and who knows how to monitor for compliance. Agreed. Or someone who works with him/her, anyhow. Message-ID: Debra wrote: References: Message-ID: <5D7B2579-64FA-4672-99F6-5447FD505D3A@baya.net> Dear Shel623@aol.com - I don't have answers to many of your questions and they are the same questions that many of us have been asking. All of us are disappointed not only in the current situation at the college but also the way that the stewards of the campus that we care so deeply about handled this situation. This is not representative of the Antioch we are proud of and you have every right to be upset and to ask these questions. What I can tell you without question is that alumni from the past decades are not only angry about this situation but are also uniting and working together like never before to do all we can try to keep the college open. Many of us believe that if Antioch closes it's doors next June that the Antioch that we know & love will be gone forever, regardless if "Antioch University, Yellow Springs" opens in 2012. If the doors do close, the students at Antioch this year, including your bravely optimistic daughter, would be the 'last class' of the Antioch we care so deeply for. Antioch prides itself on a 3 tiered platform of education including academics, work and community. I believe students, staff & faculty at Antioch this year are destined to form a very strong community, where they bond together as 'brothers/sisters in arms'. Students will also become part of a larger community of 'antiochians' and it's recently become very clear to me just how great this group is to be a part of. Even if she is only at Antioch for a year I honestly believe that it will be an exceptional time to be on campus and she will not regret it. Antioch has always attracted exceptional students and just hearing that she still wanted to attend Antioch even after the recent announcements already tells me that she is one of 'us'. Hopefully with a little luck & lots of hard work we will be able to keep the college open and your daughter will be able to boast she was there when Antioch turned the corner. Also, there has already been some discussion among many of us about what we alumni can do to celebrate the remaining students on campus and I hope your note to our discussion groups might help generate some more ideas along these lines. Since this may be the last year we have a campus that we want to help, it may well become a hub of activity with guest Antioch alumni artists, speakers & performers coming to Yellow Springs. I know even though I will be far away in Maine I will be doing all I can to not only save the college, but to also help the Antioch community through this struggle and I know I am not alone. Thank you for sending your note to our chat list. If you are reading this list you are no doubt seeing the anger and questions we have, but also the amazing energy and progress we are making in regional meetings and online discussions. I invite you to stop by antiochians.org to take a look around. If you are in an area where there is a regional chapter I invite you attend a gathering to meet us in person. I mentioned above that the larger community of antiochians are exceptional and I feel this effort to save the college is bringing out the best of this group. We are honored to have you and your daughter as part of our struggle. If there is anything I can do to assist you and your daughter with your 'Antioch Adventure' don't hesitate to ask. -Matt '92 Computer Science & Communications Major Now living in Ellsworth, ME From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 02:34:45 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Jul 11 02:47:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Synergistic solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fd01c7c385$92764680$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> He was forced out of Time Warner when the stock tanked. That's the main "success indicator" with big corporate boards. Ted Turner had a similar experience with them. Mark P. -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:55 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: [Alumni-chat] Synergistic solutions Steve Case began Revolution LLC. He founded AOL, then was forced out when they merged with Time-Warner (investigations, etc.--don't know the history of this). He's into making money, but recognizes this market as being very lucrative. He was on last year's Forbes' 400 Richest Americans (all billionaires). Thelma _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507 _______________________________________________ Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Jul 11 02:35:55 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 02:48:47 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Message-ID: In a message dated 7/10/2007 10:28:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tgseto@hotmail.com writes: Still. The academic program. What about that? What would entice all those kazillion kids to come to THIS school? Thelma Thelma, I think the core Academic Enterprise needs to always be understood as more important than any other aspect of any plan. Ultimately you have to build a highly competent faculty that can take ownership of curriculum -- for that is not the function of Boards of Trustees, Administrative officers nor actually of students. For that you need money that is placed in a dedicated and conservatively invested Endowment, that essentially is used only as the base for funding what we might call "chairs" in the discipline departments of a quality Liberal Arts College. I am less concerned with the specifics of tenure, more concerned with having dependable investment income adequate to a strong guarantee that a specific teaching position has permanent funding. I would estimate that in order to re-open with a new focus on a high quality Academic Enterprise, each chair would need to be backed by a million dollars, (which would generate at 5.5 - 6% income on principle, between 55 to 60 thousand per year -- and I would see this as about 2/3's of what would be the salary plus benefits for the kind of positions I am describing. At a minimum you need between 25 - 30 of these to thinly cover the Liberal Arts as generally understood. The objective over a period of perhaps ten years ought to be to increase this dedicated endowment so as to both increase the number of permanent teaching positions, and to, as far as possible, remove their support from the tuition cash flow. Of course you would have other teaching faculty -- some on the equivalent of tenure track, others hired as special instructors, and their positions would be various contracts of shorter or longer time periods, and paid for out of the tuition cash flow. This kind of approach would create a core faculty with a strong economic guarantee behind the position, and at lesser positions, financial flexibility given demands. While it isn't all that sexy -- we all would prefer to design houses and campus buildings -- I think the Alumni Board ought to focus on raising the perhaps 30 - 50 million necessary to this rather simple plan for rebuilding the core of the Academic Enterprise, realizing that once it is realized, you give this new faculty responsibility for and ownership of the planned curriculum. But yes, since most of these new core faculty would be new, and probably not all that in touch with more than 150 years of Antioch Tradition, you would find ways to set up Alumni advisory groups that would work with this new faculty in integrating what was "high quality" from the past into the future. But I in no way want to bind the future to repeat mistakes of the past. Where would you find such faculty? -- I think there are many established mid-career University Faculty around the country (even the world) who love teaching, and are frustrated with large systems, and who might accept a well financed challenge to "re-envision" a quality Liberal Arts program. I'd be looking for known good teachers, perhaps in their late 40's or early 50's -- at least ten years away from retirement, who also have good reputations if not publications in their own disciplines. I'd want prudent risk takers, but I would also look for evidence of easy collaboration with other faculty, and clear evidence of being able to collaborate outside the professional field. I think an Alumni Board that could raise the funds for this approach, would be in a very powerful position to deal with Antioch University to negotiate both an independent College Board of Trustees and what would be essentially a property and financial settlement regarding the remainder assets of Antioch College. In my mind, the current University BoT ought to bear most of the costs of renovating or replacing major buildings on campus, (Library, new central union and dining facilities, modernized science building, in advance of modern IT covering not only the campus but the whole town.) My division of bricks and mortar from Intellectual Capital is really quite fundamental. The Campus was allowed to go to rot over many years of Board decisions regarding deferred maintenance, and the unwillingness for whatever reason of administrators to discipline campus trashers, -- and I see the essential bricks and mortar as their responsibility. I favor the idea of working with an innovative and high quality developer to create something like what is being discussed as an urban village designed with active retirees and other interested folk in mind. I see it as absolutely necessary to the health of Yellow Springs, which needs more property on the tax rolls, more people paying the village income tax, to sustain a good quality of village life. Some of such development could be a piece of the income stream helping the college -- but I am really more concerned with the economic health of the village. Active retirees eventually become less active retirees, who need assisted living and health care -- but I'd start with the late 50's early 60's set, and then allow them to age and mature, and plan financially for accommodating natural ageing. However I have real reservations about expecting diverse age groups to intensely socially interact. Part of going off to college is about moving away from Parents, family, high school friends, and testing yourself against a world, but doing this as part of your own age cohort. Likewise, retirement done well is about breaking free of the career rat race, doing things for quite self motivated reasons, selecting the obligations you want, and not feeling pressured to assume unnecessary or unwanted obligations. But one reason for combining a Liberal Arts College and an Urban Village for retired or semi-retired folk is pretty simple. There is plenty of research showing that the elderly who remain intellectually engaged, live longer, have much "happier" or satisfying mature years, and retain independence much longer. In terms of social cost it is simply better to encourage intellectual engagement. But in your thinking you have to keep the two "systems" somewhat independent. Students need their own social space around their own engagement with the Academic Enterprise. To accomplish something like this, one will need leadership -- a huge helping of leadership that does not divide or polarize, but instead pulls people into picking a piece of a well worked out plan, and working to move it forward -- investing in it. In a sense, it calls for something I would call a 21st century Arthur Morgan type, someone with both the vision and the skills of an organizational engineer -- who can use authority in a responsible way to keep things on track, but who constantly enlarges the circle by not alienating those with stakes in the vision. In the past I have called for someone like a Wesley Clark (Antioch has tried everything other than a 4 star General) and I still think that is absolutely essential. At some point you have to write the mission statement, convert it into a job description, do a search and make a hire and then let someone with the energy and skills move it forward. You need someone heading up the enterprise who brings to the now failed and bankrupt decayed campus with a legacy and history to die for, the "charge forward" instincts to plan the details, restore confidence of prospective donors and funding sources, and organize to the plan. You can't do this with bake sales and ad hoc efforts. Will students come if YSO is closed down for a few years of reconstruction and replanning? If it is a very high quality place, with good underwriting, a clear appreciation of what a quality Liberal Arts Education is all about -- I think you will easily find students. If you can plan the program with a re-invented co-op notion appropriate to the 21st century, and price the product so it is realistically in range for children of middle classed families, (Immigrant and not) and not about sending graduates out into the world enslaved to their college loans -- yea, I think you can find lots of applicants. The goal ought to be to get back to the kind of selectivity Antioch had back in the hay day of Fressa Inman. (and believe me, everyone who got picked before the class of 1966 was picked by Fressa Inman.) I really am not suggesting going back to her "system" -- but I do think she needs to be remembered for creating some very interesting classes of students over the years. About two years ago I read a marvelous essay about his initiation to Antioch by Clifford Geertz on the net, but I can't find it now. Geertz died last year, so perhaps his site has been abandoned. For those who don't know that name -- he was in the class that arrived in 1946, the first wave of the GI Bill students, and having served in the Pacific War, his High School Counselor literally put him on a Greyhound from San Francisco ticketed to Yellow Springs with his GI rights in hand, and a letter from Fressa letting him in. Eventually, Geertz became the first behavioral Social Scientist appointed to the Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton, (Einstein's home) -- he was an Antioch Philosophy Major, and a Harvard PhD in Anthropology, and his special area of interest was the dynamics of the Muslim world. He also was awarded by the Alumni Board, the Horace Mann award. Understanding the possibilities of where you find the future Antiochians may well be about knowing what Geertz discussed in his biographical essay which I found a few years ago on the net while trying to find whether he had other professional papers of recent vintage on Islam. But his Antioch Initiation essay was a fantastic diversion. In many ways I think the somewhat cultish film (at least for those of us who live near Iowa's endless Cornfields) "Field of Dreams" may have the right lesson for us -- "If you build it, they will come." The demographics are important, but a powerful product and a winning strategy can wedge into the demographics a place for a new Antioch. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From kathycallaway at whiz.to Wed Jul 11 02:55:24 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Wed Jul 11 03:08:13 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] demographics Message-ID: <779f5938f1591dde72fd0cd57f60e2cb@whiz.to> David, I'm posting my reply to your original AntiRecord post: "If J. David Coldren's vision, or something like it, comes to be, every single aspect of the enterprise should be owned by Antioch and run by staff and students. Morgan did it that way. I think a big part of the "snicker factor" in response to development proposals comes from an understanding that turning over any of Antioch's assets to those who do not share the mission values will degrade and destroy the legacy. A working community is one thing--Antioch can do that. A theme park is another, and if development and operations are turned over to outside corporations, we get a theme park. Remember that a corporation's responsibility is to its shareholders--not to its customers or workers. I will fight tooth and nail to keep that paradigm off the campus. A working community may have potential, but cannot be implemented with the current corrupted board of trustees." k From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 03:46:30 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Jul 11 03:59:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: <019201c7c364$59923b10$0cb6b130$@net> References: <012b01c7c330$24d5daf0$6e8190d0$@net> <019201c7c364$59923b10$0cb6b130$@net> Message-ID: <010e01c7c38f$9b07d570$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> "With regard to using Marriott or Hyatt, for example, to manage food services or residence halls, > NO. An adamant NO. NO Marriott, Hyatt, et al. NO multi-national corporations or huge corporate empires on Antioch's campus. NO, NO, NO! There are smaller outfits that can do this better. I am sure of it. Ideally this would be a small outfit that will focus on this one community and none other. We have seen the damage a larger corporate structure can do to this community. Let's not repeat that mistake. OK. OK. OK. I get your anti-corporate attitude. Let's work to find a small outfit that can perform the jobs we'll need done. Maybe one exists. Hopefully, they'll be price competitive with the big guys because in the end it's the students' money we're spending. I think it was Arthur Morgan who used to remind Antiochians that "we live and work in the only available world."' _________________________________________________________________________ My recollection is that when I was a student Rod O'Connor was in charge of food service and he was interested in organic farming. Any new collaboration should try to include the Rudolf Steiner Foundation (RSF) which is very supportive of social entrepreneurship and biodynamic agriculture, the Steiner version of organic farming which predates organics. Mark P. '71 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM From kathycallaway at whiz.to Wed Jul 11 03:56:42 2007 From: kathycallaway at whiz.to (Katherine Anne Stansbury) Date: Wed Jul 11 04:09:28 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Portland meeting July 22 Message-ID: <93e5456921d5d6b85756ad155ed56a24@whiz.to> Portland area alumni are meeting on Sunday, July 22nd from 4-6pm at Jax, 826 SW 2nd Avenue. This will be an informative organizing and fundraising event, and an opportunity to meet others who care about Antioch College's future as much as you do. Please RSVP to Kristi Ketchum kristiketchum at hotmail.com if possible so that we have some idea how many to expect. From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 04:13:26 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Jul 11 04:26:21 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] post your idea documents inside an e-mail. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010f01c7c393$5bdb8370$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> "First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together?" _________________________________________________________________________ Here's what I submitted to the College two years ago- A Proposal to Antioch College Introduction: Antioch?s Era of Glory was the decades of the 1920?s and 30?s when the Carnegie Institute called it one of the best small colleges in the country. Antioch can return to that era of glory. Arthur Morgan left the college a legacy of social entrepreneurship. Decades ahead of his time, Morgan?s ideas on social justice, social enterprises, employee ownership, local business incubation, and rural economic development are now seeding throughout the world. Arthur Morgan?s legacy is still strong in Yellow Springs. It lives on particularly in the form of the small businesses started by graduates including the Antioch Company, now a multi-national company doing business in the hundreds of millions. Though a global company it is 100% employee owned (ESOP) and a great example of corporate social responsibility. Arthur Morgan?s Plan for the College increased the student body over tenfold in five years. Here?s how Arthur Morgan?s ideas can help transform Antioch today and build up the student body and the endowment. A new kind of hero, the social entrepreneur, has been gaining media attention and capturing the public's imagination. Even students and faculty in the world's top-ranked business schools -- a typically jaded and hardheaded group -- are becoming inspired, e.g., 30-40 schools already offer coursework in social entrepreneurship and 25% of Stanford Business School's class of 2004 earned certificates in public management. With new institutional support for social entrepreneurship there is a need for leaders who have the complex balance of skills needed to run social enterprises. This all adds up to a growing market for teaching social entrepreneurship on the college and university level. This is an approach that if followed by Antioch can significantly increase the college?s enrollment. Students will also learn a host of skills, which will stand them in good stead in many areas of the contemporary marketplace. Need for an Entrepreneurial Overview: The College needs to develop an overview of the social entrepreneurship field and make linkages with social entrepreneurs, social enterprises, academicians and donors (aka, venture philanthropists) who are interested in supporting social entrepreneurship and community economic development. The College could serve the function of developing a ?common language? between all these separate entities. There is at present no such capacity at Antioch. Method: This approach will develop new Antioch academic programs dealing with entrepreneurship and the local economy, build new strategic partnerships with academia and social enterprises, develop and promote new events and programs designed to generate additional revenue streams and donors. Purpose: Antioch will flourish and increase student enrollment when it comes up with successful strategies to attract and retain a much broader spectrum of students to the college. Social Entrepreneurship is such a strategy. Many educators, political leaders, economists, and experienced business people believe that fostering a robust entrepreneurial culture will maximize individual and collective economic and social success on a local, national, and global scale. Some examples follow: ? A study found 7 of 10 high school students want to start their own business ? Being an entrepreneur allows more opportunity to exercise creative freedoms ? Being an entrepreneur is often correlated with higher self-esteem and a greater sense of control over your life and future. ? Social and economic revitalization are associated to a large extent with entrepreneurship. ? The role of education and training is central in making entrepreneurship policy work. There are three key ways in which the words ?enterprise? and ?education? can be linked to each other: education about enterprise (learning how to be a change agent); education through enterprise (student centered and real world project driven teaching-learning methods); and education for enterprise (learning to be an enterprise developer and mutant manager. ? As Richard Florida has stated, ?The old American Dream was a job with which to feed your family. The new Dream is a creative job you love, with which to feed your family. ? ? The nonprofit social service sector is learning that social entrepreneurial approaches yield more long-term, life-changing outcomes for their clients (teaching people to fish rather than giving them the fish). ? With money coming into the social entrepreneurship sector we need leaders who have the complex skills needed in running a social enterprise. Further Rationale for a Social Entrepreneurship focus: The social entrepreneurial approach takes note of and builds on the findings of the positioning document prepared by the College?s marketing consultant. For example, the marketing positioning study stated, ? ?The entire Antioch community is staunchly idealistic about the College?s mission and its role in the world. (Quoting a faculty member) ?The world needs Antioch as never before. We stand as a stronghold of values that counter disturbing trends now threatening to dominate American culture,?? Social entrepreneurship recognizes those values but also recognizes we live in a pluralistic society that needs to build on areas of commonality rather than differences ? It further stated, ?In the minds of many outsiders, Antioch?s ?brand? is more retro than progressive. ?A college student who wants to know what it was like to go to college in the Sixties can come to Antioch and find out,? said one student.? As stated above the Glory Era of Antioch was 1920-1940, roughly the era of Morgan?s social entrepreneurial leadership. The Sixties era started optimistically but became an era of chaos, frustration, and divisiveness. ? ?Morale across the community seems to be sagging and to some extent feels lower than we experienced during our work four years ago. Many seem frustrated and dispirited about insufficient resources and lack of stability in senior leadership positions.? Social entrepreneurship is an approach designed to help generate new resources. Social entrepreneurs are not stopped by initial lack of resources. They dream big dreams and learn to improvise and piggyback on the resources of others. ? ?A few faculty questioned Antioch?s unyielding, single minded dedication to social change. They worried that the equally memorable ?boot camp for the revolution? line can distort and limit the definition of a ?victory for humanity.? ?Couldn?t a painting or a mathematic equation,? one asked, ?be a victory for humanity?? Several interviewees worried that a preoccupation with ?radical? views narrows the pool of applicants to Antioch and alienates students who may share many of Antioch?s values but not the commitment to radical politics.? Antioch?s strength is its preoccupation with being a force for change in society. Moreover, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions and interests including social services, the arts, and the environment. ? ?Students heartily endorsed the co-op experience, and many said this was the main reason they enrolled at Antioch. They love the independence and new experiences it offers. ?It?s like that old campaign line, -- It?s the economy, stupid.-- Here we say, ?It?s co-op, stupid,? said one student. ?If you care about liberal education but you don?t want to live in an ivory tower, Antioch is the right?maybe the only?place,? said another.? Some students are already co-oping at social enterprises. This could be greatly expanded. (see below) ? ?Our interviews revealed different takes on what respect for diversity and difference means. To some, it meant greater tolerance of heterosexuals, if not Republicans.? I would not want to be a straight white man on this campus,? one faculty member said. Again, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions, orientations, desires, and interests. ? ?Antioch students have an unequalled level of input and responsibility for managing the College. ?I think Community Government is the only true student government in America,? said one student. ?Here, everyone contributes and Community Government is not the power or popularity game you find at other schools.? Working together to solve real problems and better the College, students, faculty and administrators have formed a strong, respectful, almost Utopian community. ?We?re a true democracy and a model for others to follow,? said one administrator.? ? ?Others voiced a concern that students are set up by Community Government to be disenchanted by the real world. ?I know that co-op gives them a sense of the reality of the working world, but once you?ve had the level of respect and authority you?ve had at Antioch, it?s hard to settle for less.?? Antiochians have an early grounding in an administrative structure that emphasizes ?sapiential authority? (meaning authority exerted by those with the knowledge and ability) rather than ?hierarchical authority? (meaning vertical authority exerted by those often at the edge of their competence). Social enterprises when well managed are organizations that have flat and linear authority structures rather than vertical command and control structures. Antiochians could enthusiastically participate in and ?feel at home? in such organizations. Outcomes: Phase I- o Refining the blueprint for the King Center for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom to further integrate social justice with community and economic development through curriculum and special events and projects. o A presence on the national level for Antioch in Social Entrepreneurship Education through participation in list serves, regional dialogues, social entrepreneurship related conferences et al. o A blueprint for the integration of social entrepreneurship into the coop communities. o A regional workshop on academic social entrepreneurship. Partnerships could be developed with local universities and colleges with entrepreneurship programs such as Cedarville University and Miami (Ohio) University. o A refined marketing approach incorporating social value and social entrepreneurship themes. Outcomes: Phase II- o A foundation-funded project for a social entrepreneurship co-op internship program. In the first stage coops would be subsidized during their work with social enterprises. In the second stage the results and impacts of their service learning work with local nonprofits developing social enterprises would be studied. o A National Conference on Academic Social Entrepreneurship to be facilitated and held at Antioch College. o A study on the viability of Antioch developing other social entrepreneurship related academic projects such as on-campus executive training for nonprofit leaders, partnership in a social entrepreneurship related academic journal, and distance learning programs. o A program to track the recruitment of new students and the retention of existing students. o Increasing the enrollment of Antioch to 1000 students within five years. ____________________________________________________________________________ Here's some URL's where you can refer to my ideas. www.socialprofits.com/documents/SocialProfitsSlideShow.pdf www.universitynetwork.org/node/311 http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/05/24/focus22.html http://www.jgpress.com/IBArticles/2001/MA_25.htm Otherwise see this last written by Lisa Wellman(Zetumer)'66 with input from me: Mark P. '71 ____________________________________________________________________________ Executive Summary Communicating a Vision for Antioch College Achieving a Sustainable Enterprise 0verview: Antioch College is in the process of executing the ?Transformation Plan? and has brought in a new President to oversee its success. The vital question is, will this plan drive paid enrollment, alumni financial support, grant investment and lead to financial stability for the college? Our response is, no, not unless it?s married to a compelling marketing plan that goes beyond reorganizing the current curriculum around ?Experiential Learning Communities? (ELCs) and presents a value proposition that can successfully compete with other institutions. Clearly Antioch College enrollment never reached the ?800 in 2000? objective and has continued to decline. Fundamentally, there?s no Antioch if we cannot excite students with our offering, and more importantly, convince parents that this is a good investment. With the cost of a degree from a private college exceeding $80 to $200 thousand dollars, besides a house, this is the single largest investment most families will undertake. They do not make this investment lightly and certainly believe it should prepare the student of today for the world of tomorrow with opportunity, career choice and financial security. Antioch College is competing for that investment. Furthermore, we?re challenged by a society with very different global implications than those of five or ten years ago. As Thomas Friedman writes about the economy, ?The world is flat.? For Friedman, cheap, ubiquitous telecommunications have finally obliterated all impediments to international competition, and (we?re seeing) the dawning of a 'flat world' ? a jungle where 'economic stability is not going to be a feature' and 'the weak will fall farther behind.' The Networked Society has dramatically changed the position of the United States. Parents ask, ?Can my child compete?? Antioch College must provide an affirmative answer. Furthermore, at every point where the Antioch ?brand? touches the public and the perspective ?market? the message must be consistent, compelling and relevant. Historical Perspective As marketers we know it?s always easier to begin with what the market will ?give? you. What the market already believes about your brand. Fortunately, Antioch has a cultural and historical legacy that is perfectly aligned with the complex world in which our children and grandchildren find themselves. Going back to Horace Mann, the college?s first president, we have the vision of a program stressing the development of not only the intellect but also social competence and conscience. Arthur Morgan, assuming the presidency in 1920, developed a program he called ?industrial education,? the heart of which was entrepreneurship. It was an experiment that combined work and study, the point of which was to produce men and women who could be ?practical agents of change.? ?Antioch has sponsored or incubated?activities?which add variety to the community? and its attractiveness as a place to live and work.? In 1920 Morgan noted, ?The world cannot exist half prosperous and half in starvation.? Morgan sought to redress the balance by positioning the college and its programs to be effective change agents. Antioch College recently established the Coretta Scott King Center for Cultural & Intellectual Freedom. It was said, ?The development of the Center is particularly relevant during this period of history where the freedom to think clearly about ethical issues in a global society is essential.? In the classroom, applied ethics and ethical decision-making will be interwoven throughout the curriculum. While on co-op, students will take these theories and practices and ?test? them in the workplace and in the communities where they live. Horace Mann, Arthur Morgan and Coretta Scott King are historical figures whose combined legacy reflect an opportunity for Antioch College to position itself uniquely and draw upon that portion of the college-bound population for whom we can present an appealing value proposition. While ELC?s represent a compelling value, we see them as one leg in a hierarchy of messages. We propose using ?Social Entrepreneurship? as Antioch?s raison d?etre. We believe this over arching messaging is bold enough and compelling enough to receive positive attention from our target market. The best part of this is that we?re already 80% of the way there. What we propose maximizes the Transformation Plan. Social Entrepreneurship We define Social Entrepreneurship as ?Combining business principles with the passion for a social mission to make a positive contribution and build healthy communities.? How utterly aligned with Horace Mann and Arthur Morgan. As journalist David Bornstein says, ?Social entrepreneurs are ?transformative forces; people with new ideas to address major problems.? Again, how reflective of Antioch?s culture and historical perspective and how relevant to our modern society. Social entrepreneurs see opportunities and boldly capitalize on them in new and innovative ways. Our global society requires our children to view the world in just that way. A new generation of community leaders is needed to run social enterprises. These new breed of administrators must blend the skills needed to successfully run a business with the empathy and general knowledge to successfully pursue a community mission. This positioning would not place Antioch on the ?bleeding? edge of a movement. Rather it would restart the traditional positioning of Antioch and align it with the dynamic programs of some of America?s finest institutions: Yale, Columbia and Berkeley to name a few. A number of applicable courses are already part of the Antioch curriculum. ? Environmental Journalism ? Introduction to Qualitative and Quantitative research Methods ? Conflict and Conflict Resolution ? International Law and Justice ? Media and Social Change ? Environmental Movements and Social Change ? Urban Environments ? Introduction to Communications ? Social Change and Justice in the History of Economic Thought ? Co-op Education Internships Phase 1 - What Must be Done within the next 6-8 months 1. Gain agreement from College leadership and related parties ? Buy In 2. Establish Task Force to define and lead initiative 3. Develop 3-5 year Business Plan to support and drive new model 4. Develop a complete marketing plan based on the above vision and principles* 5. Locate lead donor(s) for Phase 1 of the Morgan Social Entrepreneurship Program 6. Establish and empower responsibility for execution * See attached draft Phase 1 Marketing Plan Phase 1: Antioch College Marketing Plan 1. Strategy: Restatement of Vision based on ?Social Entrepreneurship? a. Branding exercise and deliverables b. Develop supporting arguments and factoids c. Create Value Proposition statements d. Finalize new Mission Statement e. Develop Communication Presentation based on above f. President?s Message 2. Strategy: Consolidate the Brand across all University Entities 3. Tactics and Objectives a. Establish Content/Message Czar b. Develop Communication Plan i. Internal constituencies 1. staff 2. faculty 3. students ii. External constituencies 1. public 2. perspective students 3. strategic partners iii. Alumni c. Define Venues for Communication i. Website(s) ii. Newsletters iii. WYSO iv. Alumni Meetings v. Press Releases -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of GoodmanD@gtlaw.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:08 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics What Thelma said. I'm all for this. Also, I'd certainly be willing to donate my time and sweat to helping to build any/all of these great ideas on campus and bet a whole bunch of alumni would do the same. Also, imagine the PR this would generate....caring alumni, current students, faculty, staff and administrators (physically) rebuilding the place they cherish. This is actually exciting! I bet it is really doable. Step by step. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:30 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Hey, Dave-- Antiochian synergy in action! This is definitely NOT what I had in mind! But I like it--with some caveats. This post is inevitably going to be long so take a pee break. First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together? Message-ID: <011001c7c393$e53f05b0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> "First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together?" _________________________________________________________________________ Here's what I submitted to the College two years ago- A Proposal to Antioch College Introduction: Antioch?s Era of Glory was the decades of the 1920?s and 30?s when the Carnegie Institute called it one of the best small colleges in the country. Antioch can return to that era of glory. Arthur Morgan left the college a legacy of social entrepreneurship. Decades ahead of his time, Morgan?s ideas on social justice, social enterprises, employee ownership, local business incubation, and rural economic development are now seeding throughout the world. Arthur Morgan?s legacy is still strong in Yellow Springs. It lives on particularly in the form of the small businesses started by graduates including the Antioch Company, now a multi-national company doing business in the hundreds of millions. Though a global company it is 100% employee owned (ESOP) and a great example of corporate social responsibility. Arthur Morgan?s Plan for the College increased the student body over tenfold in five years. Here?s how Arthur Morgan?s ideas can help transform Antioch today and build up the student body and the endowment. A new kind of hero, the social entrepreneur, has been gaining media attention and capturing the public's imagination. Even students and faculty in the world's top-ranked business schools -- a typically jaded and hardheaded group -- are becoming inspired, e.g., 30-40 schools already offer coursework in social entrepreneurship and 25% of Stanford Business School's class of 2004 earned certificates in public management. With new institutional support for social entrepreneurship there is a need for leaders who have the complex balance of skills needed to run social enterprises. This all adds up to a growing market for teaching social entrepreneurship on the college and university level. This is an approach that if followed by Antioch can significantly increase the college?s enrollment. Students will also learn a host of skills, which will stand them in good stead in many areas of the contemporary marketplace. Need for an Entrepreneurial Overview: The College needs to develop an overview of the social entrepreneurship field and make linkages with social entrepreneurs, social enterprises, academicians and donors (aka, venture philanthropists) who are interested in supporting social entrepreneurship and community economic development. The College could serve the function of developing a ?common language? between all these separate entities. There is at present no such capacity at Antioch. Method: This approach will develop new Antioch academic programs dealing with entrepreneurship and the local economy, build new strategic partnerships with academia and social enterprises, develop and promote new events and programs designed to generate additional revenue streams and donors. Purpose: Antioch will flourish and increase student enrollment when it comes up with successful strategies to attract and retain a much broader spectrum of students to the college. Social Entrepreneurship is such a strategy. Many educators, political leaders, economists, and experienced business people believe that fostering a robust entrepreneurial culture will maximize individual and collective economic and social success on a local, national, and global scale. Some examples follow: ? A study found 7 of 10 high school students want to start their own business ? Being an entrepreneur allows more opportunity to exercise creative freedoms ? Being an entrepreneur is often correlated with higher self-esteem and a greater sense of control over your life and future. ? Social and economic revitalization are associated to a large extent with entrepreneurship. ? The role of education and training is central in making entrepreneurship policy work. There are three key ways in which the words ?enterprise? and ?education? can be linked to each other: education about enterprise (learning how to be a change agent); education through enterprise (student centered and real world project driven teaching-learning methods); and education for enterprise (learning to be an enterprise developer and mutant manager. ? As Richard Florida has stated, ?The old American Dream was a job with which to feed your family. The new Dream is a creative job you love, with which to feed your family. ? ? The nonprofit social service sector is learning that social entrepreneurial approaches yield more long-term, life-changing outcomes for their clients (teaching people to fish rather than giving them the fish). ? With money coming into the social entrepreneurship sector we need leaders who have the complex skills needed in running a social enterprise. Further Rationale for a Social Entrepreneurship focus: The social entrepreneurial approach takes note of and builds on the findings of the positioning document prepared by the College?s marketing consultant. For example, the marketing positioning study stated, ? ?The entire Antioch community is staunchly idealistic about the College?s mission and its role in the world. (Quoting a faculty member) ?The world needs Antioch as never before. We stand as a stronghold of values that counter disturbing trends now threatening to dominate American culture,?? Social entrepreneurship recognizes those values but also recognizes we live in a pluralistic society that needs to build on areas of commonality rather than differences ? It further stated, ?In the minds of many outsiders, Antioch?s ?brand? is more retro than progressive. ?A college student who wants to know what it was like to go to college in the Sixties can come to Antioch and find out,? said one student.? As stated above the Glory Era of Antioch was 1920-1940, roughly the era of Morgan?s social entrepreneurial leadership. The Sixties era started optimistically but became an era of chaos, frustration, and divisiveness. ? ?Morale across the community seems to be sagging and to some extent feels lower than we experienced during our work four years ago. Many seem frustrated and dispirited about insufficient resources and lack of stability in senior leadership positions.? Social entrepreneurship is an approach designed to help generate new resources. Social entrepreneurs are not stopped by initial lack of resources. They dream big dreams and learn to improvise and piggyback on the resources of others. ? ?A few faculty questioned Antioch?s unyielding, single minded dedication to social change. They worried that the equally memorable ?boot camp for the revolution? line can distort and limit the definition of a ?victory for humanity.? ?Couldn?t a painting or a mathematic equation,? one asked, ?be a victory for humanity?? Several interviewees worried that a preoccupation with ?radical? views narrows the pool of applicants to Antioch and alienates students who may share many of Antioch?s values but not the commitment to radical politics.? Antioch?s strength is its preoccupation with being a force for change in society. Moreover, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions and interests including social services, the arts, and the environment. ? ?Students heartily endorsed the co-op experience, and many said this was the main reason they enrolled at Antioch. They love the independence and new experiences it offers. ?It?s like that old campaign line, -- It?s the economy, stupid.-- Here we say, ?It?s co-op, stupid,? said one student. ?If you care about liberal education but you don?t want to live in an ivory tower, Antioch is the right?maybe the only?place,? said another.? Some students are already co-oping at social enterprises. This could be greatly expanded. (see below) ? ?Our interviews revealed different takes on what respect for diversity and difference means. To some, it meant greater tolerance of heterosexuals, if not Republicans.? I would not want to be a straight white man on this campus,? one faculty member said. Again, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions, orientations, desires, and interests. ? ?Antioch students have an unequalled level of input and responsibility for managing the College. ?I think Community Government is the only true student government in America,? said one student. ?Here, everyone contributes and Community Government is not the power or popularity game you find at other schools.? Working together to solve real problems and better the College, students, faculty and administrators have formed a strong, respectful, almost Utopian community. ?We?re a true democracy and a model for others to follow,? said one administrator.? ? ?Others voiced a concern that students are set up by Community Government to be disenchanted by the real world. ?I know that co-op gives them a sense of the reality of the working world, but once you?ve had the level of respect and authority you?ve had at Antioch, it?s hard to settle for less.?? Antiochians have an early grounding in an administrative structure that emphasizes ?sapiential authority? (meaning authority exerted by those with the knowledge and ability) rather than ?hierarchical authority? (meaning vertical authority exerted by those often at the edge of their competence). Social enterprises when well managed are organizations that have flat and linear authority structures rather than vertical command and control structures. Antiochians could enthusiastically participate in and ?feel at home? in such organizations. Outcomes: Phase I- o Refining the blueprint for the King Center for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom to further integrate social justice with community and economic development through curriculum and special events and projects. o A presence on the national level for Antioch in Social Entrepreneurship Education through participation in list serves, regional dialogues, social entrepreneurship related conferences et al. o A blueprint for the integration of social entrepreneurship into the coop communities. o A regional workshop on academic social entrepreneurship. Partnerships could be developed with local universities and colleges with entrepreneurship programs such as Cedarville University and Miami (Ohio) University. o A refined marketing approach incorporating social value and social entrepreneurship themes. Outcomes: Phase II- o A foundation-funded project for a social entrepreneurship co-op internship program. In the first stage coops would be subsidized during their work with social enterprises. In the second stage the results and impacts of their service learning work with local nonprofits developing social enterprises would be studied. o A National Conference on Academic Social Entrepreneurship to be facilitated and held at Antioch College. o A study on the viability of Antioch developing other social entrepreneurship related academic projects such as on-campus executive training for nonprofit leaders, partnership in a social entrepreneurship related academic journal, and distance learning programs. o A program to track the recruitment of new students and the retention of existing students. o Increasing the enrollment of Antioch to 1000 students within five years. ____________________________________________________________________________ Here's some URL's where you can refer to my ideas. www.socialprofits.com/documents/SocialProfitsSlideShow.pdf www.universitynetwork.org/node/311 http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/05/24/focus22.html http://www.jgpress.com/IBArticles/2001/MA_25.htm Otherwise see this last written by Lisa Wellman(Zetumer)'66 with input from me: Mark P. '71 ____________________________________________________________________________ Executive Summary Communicating a Vision for Antioch College Achieving a Sustainable Enterprise 0verview: Antioch College is in the process of executing the ?Transformation Plan? and has brought in a new President to oversee its success. The vital question is, will this plan drive paid enrollment, alumni financial support, grant investment and lead to financial stability for the college? Our response is, no, not unless it?s married to a compelling marketing plan that goes beyond reorganizing the current curriculum around ?Experiential Learning Communities? (ELCs) and presents a value proposition that can successfully compete with other institutions. Clearly Antioch College enrollment never reached the ?800 in 2000? objective and has continued to decline. Fundamentally, there?s no Antioch if we cannot excite students with our offering, and more importantly, convince parents that this is a good investment. With the cost of a degree from a private college exceeding $80 to $200 thousand dollars, besides a house, this is the single largest investment most families will undertake. They do not make this investment lightly and certainly believe it should prepare the student of today for the world of tomorrow with opportunity, career choice and financial security. Antioch College is competing for that investment. Furthermore, we?re challenged by a society with very different global implications than those of five or ten years ago. As Thomas Friedman writes about the economy, ?The world is flat.? For Friedman, cheap, ubiquitous telecommunications have finally obliterated all impediments to international competition, and (we?re seeing) the dawning of a 'flat world' ? a jungle where 'economic stability is not going to be a feature' and 'the weak will fall farther behind.' The Networked Society has dramatically changed the position of the United States. Parents ask, ?Can my child compete?? Antioch College must provide an affirmative answer. Furthermore, at every point where the Antioch ?brand? touches the public and the perspective ?market? the message must be consistent, compelling and relevant. Historical Perspective As marketers we know it?s always easier to begin with what the market will ?give? you. What the market already believes about your brand. Fortunately, Antioch has a cultural and historical legacy that is perfectly aligned with the complex world in which our children and grandchildren find themselves. Going back to Horace Mann, the college?s first president, we have the vision of a program stressing the development of not only the intellect but also social competence and conscience. Arthur Morgan, assuming the presidency in 1920, developed a program he called ?industrial education,? the heart of which was entrepreneurship. It was an experiment that combined work and study, the point of which was to produce men and women who could be ?practical agents of change.? ?Antioch has sponsored or incubated?activities?which add variety to the community? and its attractiveness as a place to live and work.? In 1920 Morgan noted, ?The world cannot exist half prosperous and half in starvation.? Morgan sought to redress the balance by positioning the college and its programs to be effective change agents. Antioch College recently established the Coretta Scott King Center for Cultural & Intellectual Freedom. It was said, ?The development of the Center is particularly relevant during this period of history where the freedom to think clearly about ethical issues in a global society is essential.? In the classroom, applied ethics and ethical decision-making will be interwoven throughout the curriculum. While on co-op, students will take these theories and practices and ?test? them in the workplace and in the communities where they live. Horace Mann, Arthur Morgan and Coretta Scott King are historical figures whose combined legacy reflect an opportunity for Antioch College to position itself uniquely and draw upon that portion of the college-bound population for whom we can present an appealing value proposition. While ELC?s represent a compelling value, we see them as one leg in a hierarchy of messages. We propose using ?Social Entrepreneurship? as Antioch?s raison d?etre. We believe this over arching messaging is bold enough and compelling enough to receive positive attention from our target market. The best part of this is that we?re already 80% of the way there. What we propose maximizes the Transformation Plan. Social Entrepreneurship We define Social Entrepreneurship as ?Combining business principles with the passion for a social mission to make a positive contribution and build healthy communities.? How utterly aligned with Horace Mann and Arthur Morgan. As journalist David Bornstein says, ?Social entrepreneurs are ?transformative forces; people with new ideas to address major problems.? Again, how reflective of Antioch?s culture and historical perspective and how relevant to our modern society. Social entrepreneurs see opportunities and boldly capitalize on them in new and innovative ways. Our global society requires our children to view the world in just that way. A new generation of community leaders is needed to run social enterprises. These new breed of administrators must blend the skills needed to successfully run a business with the empathy and general knowledge to successfully pursue a community mission. This positioning would not place Antioch on the ?bleeding? edge of a movement. Rather it would restart the traditional positioning of Antioch and align it with the dynamic programs of some of America?s finest institutions: Yale, Columbia and Berkeley to name a few. A number of applicable courses are already part of the Antioch curriculum. ? Environmental Journalism ? Introduction to Qualitative and Quantitative research Methods ? Conflict and Conflict Resolution ? International Law and Justice ? Media and Social Change ? Environmental Movements and Social Change ? Urban Environments ? Introduction to Communications ? Social Change and Justice in the History of Economic Thought ? Co-op Education Internships Phase 1 - What Must be Done within the next 6-8 months 1. Gain agreement from College leadership and related parties ? Buy In 2. Establish Task Force to define and lead initiative 3. Develop 3-5 year Business Plan to support and drive new model 4. Develop a complete marketing plan based on the above vision and principles* 5. Locate lead donor(s) for Phase 1 of the Morgan Social Entrepreneurship Program 6. Establish and empower responsibility for execution * See attached draft Phase 1 Marketing Plan Phase 1: Antioch College Marketing Plan 1. Strategy: Restatement of Vision based on ?Social Entrepreneurship? a. Branding exercise and deliverables b. Develop supporting arguments and factoids c. Create Value Proposition statements d. Finalize new Mission Statement e. Develop Communication Presentation based on above f. President?s Message 2. Strategy: Consolidate the Brand across all University Entities 3. Tactics and Objectives a. Establish Content/Message Czar b. Develop Communication Plan i. Internal constituencies 1. staff 2. faculty 3. students ii. External constituencies 1. public 2. perspective students 3. strategic partners iii. Alumni c. Define Venues for Communication i. Website(s) ii. Newsletters iii. WYSO iv. Alumni Meetings v. Press Releases -----Original Message----- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of GoodmanD@gtlaw.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:08 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics What Thelma said. I'm all for this. Also, I'd certainly be willing to donate my time and sweat to helping to build any/all of these great ideas on campus and bet a whole bunch of alumni would do the same. Also, imagine the PR this would generate....caring alumni, current students, faculty, staff and administrators (physically) rebuilding the place they cherish. This is actually exciting! I bet it is really doable. Step by step. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to postmaster@gtlaw.com. -------------------------------------------------------- From: alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu [mailto:alumni-chat-bounces@w3.antioch.edu] On Behalf Of Thelma Seto Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:30 PM To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics Hey, Dave-- Antiochian synergy in action! This is definitely NOT what I had in mind! But I like it--with some caveats. This post is inevitably going to be long so take a pee break. First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together? Message-ID: <011901c7c394$95d5a050$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> "First off, if Mark Pomerantz is reading this, please post your idea documents inside an e-mail. I'm having computer problems and cannot access. I wonder how your ideas and Dave's might work together?" _________________________________________________________________________ Here's what I submitted to the College two years ago- A Proposal to Antioch College Introduction: Antioch?s Era of Glory was the decades of the 1920?s and 30?s when the Carnegie Institute called it one of the best small colleges in the country. Antioch can return to that era of glory. Arthur Morgan left the college a legacy of social entrepreneurship. Decades ahead of his time, Morgan?s ideas on social justice, social enterprises, employee ownership, local business incubation, and rural economic development are now seeding throughout the world. Arthur Morgan?s legacy is still strong in Yellow Springs. It lives on particularly in the form of the small businesses started by graduates including the Antioch Company, now a multi-national company doing business in the hundreds of millions. Though a global company it is 100% employee owned (ESOP) and a great example of corporate social responsibility. Arthur Morgan?s Plan for the College increased the student body over tenfold in five years. Here?s how Arthur Morgan?s ideas can help transform Antioch today and build up the student body and the endowment. A new kind of hero, the social entrepreneur, has been gaining media attention and capturing the public's imagination. Even students and faculty in the world's top-ranked business schools -- a typically jaded and hardheaded group -- are becoming inspired, e.g., 30-40 schools already offer coursework in social entrepreneurship and 25% of Stanford Business School's class of 2004 earned certificates in public management. With new institutional support for social entrepreneurship there is a need for leaders who have the complex balance of skills needed to run social enterprises. This all adds up to a growing market for teaching social entrepreneurship on the college and university level. This is an approach that if followed by Antioch can significantly increase the college?s enrollment. Students will also learn a host of skills, which will stand them in good stead in many areas of the contemporary marketplace. Need for an Entrepreneurial Overview: The College needs to develop an overview of the social entrepreneurship field and make linkages with social entrepreneurs, social enterprises, academicians and donors (aka, venture philanthropists) who are interested in supporting social entrepreneurship and community economic development. The College could serve the function of developing a ?common language? between all these separate entities. There is at present no such capacity at Antioch. Method: This approach will develop new Antioch academic programs dealing with entrepreneurship and the local economy, build new strategic partnerships with academia and social enterprises, develop and promote new events and programs designed to generate additional revenue streams and donors. Purpose: Antioch will flourish and increase student enrollment when it comes up with successful strategies to attract and retain a much broader spectrum of students to the college. Social Entrepreneurship is such a strategy. Many educators, political leaders, economists, and experienced business people believe that fostering a robust entrepreneurial culture will maximize individual and collective economic and social success on a local, national, and global scale. Some examples follow: ? A study found 7 of 10 high school students want to start their own business ? Being an entrepreneur allows more opportunity to exercise creative freedoms ? Being an entrepreneur is often correlated with higher self-esteem and a greater sense of control over your life and future. ? Social and economic revitalization are associated to a large extent with entrepreneurship. ? The role of education and training is central in making entrepreneurship policy work. There are three key ways in which the words ?enterprise? and ?education? can be linked to each other: education about enterprise (learning how to be a change agent); education through enterprise (student centered and real world project driven teaching-learning methods); and education for enterprise (learning to be an enterprise developer and mutant manager. ? As Richard Florida has stated, ?The old American Dream was a job with which to feed your family. The new Dream is a creative job you love, with which to feed your family. ? ? The nonprofit social service sector is learning that social entrepreneurial approaches yield more long-term, life-changing outcomes for their clients (teaching people to fish rather than giving them the fish). ? With money coming into the social entrepreneurship sector we need leaders who have the complex skills needed in running a social enterprise. Further Rationale for a Social Entrepreneurship focus: The social entrepreneurial approach takes note of and builds on the findings of the positioning document prepared by the College?s marketing consultant. For example, the marketing positioning study stated, ? ?The entire Antioch community is staunchly idealistic about the College?s mission and its role in the world. (Quoting a faculty member) ?The world needs Antioch as never before. We stand as a stronghold of values that counter disturbing trends now threatening to dominate American culture,?? Social entrepreneurship recognizes those values but also recognizes we live in a pluralistic society that needs to build on areas of commonality rather than differences ? It further stated, ?In the minds of many outsiders, Antioch?s ?brand? is more retro than progressive. ?A college student who wants to know what it was like to go to college in the Sixties can come to Antioch and find out,? said one student.? As stated above the Glory Era of Antioch was 1920-1940, roughly the era of Morgan?s social entrepreneurial leadership. The Sixties era started optimistically but became an era of chaos, frustration, and divisiveness. ? ?Morale across the community seems to be sagging and to some extent feels lower than we experienced during our work four years ago. Many seem frustrated and dispirited about insufficient resources and lack of stability in senior leadership positions.? Social entrepreneurship is an approach designed to help generate new resources. Social entrepreneurs are not stopped by initial lack of resources. They dream big dreams and learn to improvise and piggyback on the resources of others. ? ?A few faculty questioned Antioch?s unyielding, single minded dedication to social change. They worried that the equally memorable ?boot camp for the revolution? line can distort and limit the definition of a ?victory for humanity.? ?Couldn?t a painting or a mathematic equation,? one asked, ?be a victory for humanity?? Several interviewees worried that a preoccupation with ?radical? views narrows the pool of applicants to Antioch and alienates students who may share many of Antioch?s values but not the commitment to radical politics.? Antioch?s strength is its preoccupation with being a force for change in society. Moreover, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions and interests including social services, the arts, and the environment. ? ?Students heartily endorsed the co-op experience, and many said this was the main reason they enrolled at Antioch. They love the independence and new experiences it offers. ?It?s like that old campaign line, -- It?s the economy, stupid.-- Here we say, ?It?s co-op, stupid,? said one student. ?If you care about liberal education but you don?t want to live in an ivory tower, Antioch is the right?maybe the only?place,? said another.? Some students are already co-oping at social enterprises. This could be greatly expanded. (see below) ? ?Our interviews revealed different takes on what respect for diversity and difference means. To some, it meant greater tolerance of heterosexuals, if not Republicans.? I would not want to be a straight white man on this campus,? one faculty member said. Again, social entrepreneurship is a non-partisan approach that has attraction to students across a broad spectrum of opinions, orientations, desires, and interests. ? ?Antioch students have an unequalled level of input and responsibility for managing the College. ?I think Community Government is the only true student government in America,? said one student. ?Here, everyone contributes and Community Government is not the power or popularity game you find at other schools.? Working together to solve real problems and better the College, students, faculty and administrators have formed a strong, respectful, almost Utopian community. ?We?re a true democracy and a model for others to follow,? said one administrator.? ? ?Others voiced a concern that students are set up by Community Government to be disenchanted by the real world. ?I know that co-op gives them a sense of the reality of the working world, but once you?ve had the level of respect and authority you?ve had at Antioch, it?s hard to settle for less.?? Antiochians have an early grounding in an administrative structure that emphasizes ?sapiential authority? (meaning authority exerted by those with the knowledge and ability) rather than ?hierarchical authority? (meaning vertical authority exerted by those often at the edge of their competence). Social enterprises when well managed are organizations that have flat and linear authority structures rather than vertical command and control structures. Antiochians could enthusiastically participate in and ?feel at home? in such organizations. Outcomes: Phase I- o Refining the blueprint for the King Center for Cultural and Intellectual Freedom to further integrate social justice with community and economic development through curriculum and special events and projects. o A presence on the national level for Antioch in Social Entrepreneurship Education through participation in list serves, regional dialogues, social entrepreneurship related conferences et al. o A blueprint for the integration of social entrepreneurship into the coop communities. o A regional workshop on academic social entrepreneurship. Partnerships could be developed with local universities and colleges with entrepreneurship programs such as Cedarville University and Miami (Ohio) University. o A refined marketing approach incorporating social value and social entrepreneurship themes. Outcomes: Phase II- o A foundation-funded project for a social entrepreneurship co-op internship program. In the first stage coops would be subsidized during their work with social enterprises. In the second stage the results and impacts of their service learning work with local nonprofits developing social enterprises would be studied. o A National Conference on Academic Social Entrepreneurship to be facilitated and held at Antioch College. o A study on the viability of Antioch developing other social entrepreneurship related academic projects such as on-campus executive training for nonprofit leaders, partnership in a social entrepreneurship related academic journal, and distance learning programs. o A program to track the recruitment of new students and the retention of existing students. o Increasing the enrollment of Antioch to 1000 students within five years. ____________________________________________________________________________ Here's some URL's where you can refer to my ideas. www.socialprofits.com/documents/SocialProfitsSlideShow.pdf www.universitynetwork.org/node/311 http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2004/05/24/focus22.html http://www.jgpress.com/IBArticles/2001/MA_25.htm Otherwise see this last written by Lisa Wellman(Zetumer)'66 with input from me: Mark P. '71 ____________________________________________________________________________ Executive Summary Communicating a Vision for Antioch College Achieving a Sustainable Enterprise 0verview: Antioch College is in the process of executing the ?Transformation Plan? and has brought in a new President to oversee its success. The vital question is, will this plan drive paid enrollment, alumni financial support, grant investment and lead to financial stability for the college? Our response is, no, not unless it?s married to a compelling marketing plan that goes beyond reorganizing the current curriculum around ?Experiential Learning Communities? (ELCs) and presents a value proposition that can successfully compete with other institutions. Clearly Antioch College enrollment never reached the ?800 in 2000? objective and has continued to decline. Fundamentally, there?s no Antioch if we cannot excite students with our offering, and more importantly, convince parents that this is a good investment. With the cost of a degree from a private college exceeding $80 to $200 thousand dollars, besides a house, this is the single largest investment most families will undertake. They do not make this investment lightly and certainly believe it should prepare the student of today for the world of tomorrow with opportunity, career choice and financial security. Antioch College is competing for that investment. Furthermore, we?re challenged by a society with very different global implications than those of five or ten years ago. As Thomas Friedman writes about the economy, ?The world is flat.? For Friedman, cheap, ubiquitous telecommunications have finally obliterated all impediments to international competition, and (we?re seeing) the dawning of a 'flat world' ? a jungle where 'economic stability is not going to be a feature' and 'the weak will fall farther behind.' The Networked Society has dramatically changed the position of the United States. Parents ask, ?Can my child compete?? Antioch College must provide an affirmative answer. Furthermore, at every point where the Antioch ?brand? touches the public and the perspective ?market? the message must be consistent, compelling and relevant. Historical Perspective As marketers we know it?s always easier to begin with what the market will ?give? you. What the market already believes about your brand. Fortunately, Antioch has a cultural and historical legacy that is perfectly aligned with the complex world in which our children and grandchildren find themselves. Going back to Horace Mann, the college?s first president, we have the vision of a program stressing the development of not only the intellect but also social competence and conscience. Arthur Morgan, assuming the presidency in 1920, developed a program he called ?industrial education,? the heart of which was entrepreneurship. It was an experiment that combined work and study, the point of which was to produce men and women who could be ?practical agents of change.? ?Antioch has sponsored or incubated?activities?which add variety to the community? and its attractiveness as a place to live and work.? In 1920 Morgan noted, ?The world cannot exist half prosperous and half in starvation.? Morgan sought to redress the balance by positioning the college and its programs to be effective change agents. Antioch College recently established the Coretta Scott King Center for Cultural & Intellectual Freedom. It was said, ?The development of the Center is particularly relevant during this period of history where the freedom to think clearly about ethical issues in a global society is essential.? In the classroom, applied ethics and ethical decision-making will be interwoven throughout the curriculum. While on co-op, students will take these theories and practices and ?test? them in the workplace and in the communities where they live. Horace Mann, Arthur Morgan and Coretta Scott King are historical figures whose combined legacy reflect an opportunity for Antioch College to position itself uniquely and draw upon that portion of the college-bound population for whom we can present an appealing value proposition. While ELC?s represent a compelling value, we see them as one leg in a hierarchy of messages. We propose using ?Social Entrepreneurship? as Antioch?s raison d?etre. We believe this over arching messaging is bold enough and compelling enough to receive positive attention from our target market. The best part of this is that we?re already 80% of the way there. What we propose maximizes the Transformation Plan. Social Entrepreneurship We define Social Entrepreneurship as ?Combining business principles with the passion for a social mission to make a positive contribution and build healthy communities.? How utterly aligned with Horace Mann and Arthur Morgan. As journalist David Bornstein says, ?Social entrepreneurs are ?transformative forces; people with new ideas to address major problems.? Again, how reflective of Antioch?s culture and historical perspective and how relevant to our modern society. Social entrepreneurs see opportunities and boldly capitalize on them in new and innovative ways. Our global society requires our children to view the world in just that way. A new generation of community leaders is needed to run social enterprises. These new breed of administrators must blend the skills needed to successfully run a business with the empathy and general knowledge to successfully pursue a community mission. This positioning would not place Antioch on the ?bleeding? edge of a movement. Rather it would restart the traditional positioning of Antioch and align it with the dynamic programs of some of America?s finest institutions: Yale, Columbia and Berkeley to name a few. A number of applicable courses are already part of the Antioch curriculum. ? Environmental Journalism ? Introduction to Qualitative and Quantitative research Methods ? Conflict and Conflict Resolution ? International Law and Justice ? Media and Social Change ? Environmental Movements and Social Change ? Urban Environments ? Introduction to Communications ? Social Change and Justice in the History of Economic Thought ? Co-op Education Internships Phase 1 - What Must be Done within the next 6-8 months 1. Gain agreement from College leadership and related parties ? Buy In 2. Establish Task Force to define and lead initiative 3. Develop 3-5 year Business Plan to support and drive new model 4. Develop a complete marketing plan based on the above vision and principles* 5. Locate lead donor(s) for Phase 1 of the Morgan Social Entrepreneurship Program 6. Establish and empower responsibility for execution * See attached draft Phase 1 Marketing Plan Phase 1: Antioch College Marketing Plan 1. Strategy: Restatement of Vision based on ?Social Entrepreneurship? a. Branding exercise and deliverables b. Develop supporting arguments and factoids c. Create Value Proposition statements d. Finalize new Mission Statement e. Develop Communication Presentation based on above f. President?s Message 2. Strategy: Consolidate the Brand across all University Entities 3. Tactics and Objectives a. Establish Content/Message Czar b. Develop Communication Plan i. Internal constituencies 1. staff 2. faculty 3. students ii. External constituencies 1. public 2. perspective students 3. strategic partners iii. Alumni c. Define Venues for Communication i. Website(s) ii. Newsletters iii. WYSO iv. Alumni Meetings v. Press Releases No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 04:41:46 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (Mark Pomerantz) Date: Wed Jul 11 04:54:37 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] post your idea documents inside an e-mail. In-Reply-To: <011901c7c394$95d5a050$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <011901c7c394$95d5a050$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: <011a01c7c397$51680cc0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> I'd like to reprint this piece that Ralph Keyes '67, a "disgruntled" alum and YSO resident wrote in the Yellow Springs News about the Renewal Plan. It reinforces the discussion we have been having about developing a plan that attracts a larger and more diverse student body. Hope you don't mind Ralph. Also here's a well written blurb that our own College PR people could look at from our friends at Hiram College. Mark P. '71 ___________________________________________________________________________ RIGHT ANSWER, WRONG QUESTION Ralph Keyes Reorganizing its curriculum around "Experiential Learning Communities" (ELCs) is Antioch's latest answer to a crucial question: How can we improve the quality of education our students receive? ELCs couldn't hurt, and might help. Learning communities are part of a broader trend toward educating students in small, ongoing groups. Unlike most, Antioch's version would integrate work experience with classwork. If implemented well, ELCs could help retain students already on campus, a chronic problem at Antioch (where so many of those who enroll don't stick around to graduate). But will ELCs help attract new ones? I doubt it. That's why they are the right answer to the wrong question. The more important question this approach does not address is "Why do so few students come to Antioch in the first place?" The president of Antioch College recently told a reporter that 650 students are enrolled there. Soon after that, Antioch University's vice chancellor told a student publication that 600 of them were enrolled at the Yellow Springs campus. A few days later the university's comptroller put the figure at "less than 600." There is a limit to how long a tuition-driven college such as Antioch can survive with so few students. Before reorganizing its curriculum, Antioch needs to confront more fundamental issues. Years of inept management have left the college on a financial precipice. Antioch's most pressing problems have less to do with pedagogy than with garden variety mismanagement: budgeting based on optimistic revenue projections, virtually nonexistent public relations, unreturned phone calls, low staff morale, and constant employee turnover at all levels (to mention just a few problem areas). These issues aren't as sexy as the proposed ELCs, but in the long run tending to them will do more for Antioch's survival prospects than overhauling its curriculum. This isn't to say that learning communities are a bad idea. They aren't. But - even with an experiential component - they're hardly path-breaking (having been implemented at hundreds of other institutions for the past couple of decades). Learning communities are probably better suited to larger, more conventional and impersonal institutions of higher education. At a small, unconventional college such as Antioch, shifting to a learning community-based curriculum is at best an incremental change. Not only that, this innovation sounds somewhat less than fresh to those who have been around Antioch for a while. Old-timers scratched their heads when they heard about the ELC proposal and said "Come again?" To them it brought to mind the late, unlamented "First Year Program" of the latter 1960s that kicked off Antioch's downward spiral. (The First Year program organized entering classes into small learning groups under faculty tutelage.) Far from being groundbreaking, learning communities are a march back to Antioch' s future. They're also part of a long tradition of ambitious proposals to revive the college that are doomed to failure because they do nothing to make Antioch more appealing to a broader range of applicants. Last decade Antioch trumpeted its goal of enrolling 800 students by the year 2000 ("800 by 2000"). No realistic steps were taken to achieve this goal. Several years later an ambitious new admissions program was brought into play, one that involved pricey consultants, added staff, and generous financial aid awards. This did not raise enrollment but did add to the deficit. Two years later, the latest plan - the ELCs - was proposed in part to remedy catastrophic budget shortfalls caused in part by the failure of previous plans. Not coincidentally, ELCs make maximum use of limited resources. As proposed, these learning groups would team 30 students with two teachers. By changing its faculty-student ratio from 1:10 to 1:15, the college could cut its payroll significantly. This is an implicit admission that enrollment will probably remain static in the foreseeable future. Like most who have grappled with chronic problems at the college, the task force that proposed ELCs avoided the question Antiochians dread: How can Antioch's basic template be redesigned to help it attract a type of student who seldom applies there now? The college hopes ELCs will do the trick. Yet there's nothing about the concept of learning communities that will make Antioch more enticing to high school seniors who don't already have it on their list. ELCs may do a better job of educating the type of student Antioch already attracts, but they're unlikely to attract others. High school seniors who are determined to become Antiochians will apply to the college regardless of its uneven academic program, trashed dorm rooms, graffitied walls, crumbling library, and a Student Union that looks as though its interior was decorated by Marilyn Manson. We already know how many students are that determined: less than 600. To get beyond that figure Antioch will have to change in ways that will help it attract additional students, ones who wouldn't apply to an institution they now see as fringey. We're so accustomed to regarding Antioch as a haven for those with unconventional lifestyles that we forget it wasn't always so. The college has always appealed to independent thinkers, but it has only been in recent years that this implied they also had progressive political views and alternative ways of life. In the not-too-distant past, Antioch's strong academic program, well-administered campus, and unique work-study plan attracted students with a wide range of outlooks and lifestyles. In its heyday they raised the college's enrollment to nearly 2000. Antioch will only flourish once again when it comes up with ways to entice a broad, rather than a narrow range of applicants. Ralph Keyes is a 1967 graduate of Antioch College. While there he spent a year's leave of absence working as an assistant to former Antioch president Arthur E. Morgan. _____________________________________________________________________ "At Hiram, intellectual and moral development is strengthened by the experience of internships, field work, joint ventures and collaborative research. Under the tutelage of a Hiram genetics professor, 10 Hiram biology students are collaborating to map the genome of a plant growth. They share their results with a biotech company that will develop commercial applications from the work. Experiential learning combines the "hard skills" training of the workplace with the conceptual formation of the classroom. This mix of the theoretical and the practical produces hands-on thinkers who are effective in today's competitive environment and equipped to see the emergence of tomorrow's. Liberal arts education, with its cultivation of scientific, social and cultural literacy, prepares the student for an increasingly diverse and complex world. It is the education that mirrors the world in which we live and shapes the leaders we require." Scaldini is former president of Hiram College. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM From shel623 at aol.com Wed Jul 11 06:35:40 2007 From: shel623 at aol.com (shel623@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 06:48:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] mother of incoming freshman Message-ID: <8C991BE5C7B1976-AB4-6B22@FWM-M18.sysops.aol.com> First of all, let me say how overwhelmed I am by the response to my email.? thank you all for your interest and support.? I cannot respond to each of you individually, so please accept this posting as a thank you. I never intended to imply that the admissions staff misled us.? but SOMEONE had to have known about the financial straits the college was in.? My daughter, Rebecca, applied to one school.? antioch.? and she was accepted by early decision.? So she will be there on August 23 along with my husband and myself.? It should be an interesting day and an even more interesting year.? She wanted a true Antioch experience, run down campus and all.? She wanted the co-ops, the small class size, the chance to study overseas, the opportunity to meet interesting people, etc.? We don't know how the year will turn out; we assume she will have to transfer to another school for her sophomore year.? That being said, we look forward to meeting some of you on August 23. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From thanos at post.com Wed Jul 11 07:39:32 2007 From: thanos at post.com (thanos) Date: Wed Jul 11 07:57:36 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] recent posts from Thelma, Mark, Sistersara et al. Message-ID: <20070711113932.E91A61BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Thank you all for some of the most intelligent, positive ideas yet posted in this chat. It's a pleasure to read these brainstorms and refreshing to see ideas that are all about ensuring the college's future. I can't write in such volume, unfortunately, or respond idea for idea. The only thing I would add to the discussion is my belief that the current faculty and staff are the heart and soul of Antioch College. In my ideal world, these are the people who would ride to their own rescue with a workable plan to keep the college doors open and to revitalize the curriculum, culture and finances. It would be the best of all possible outcomes, in my view. Thelma, Mark, and Sistersara have come up with some remarkable visions for Antioch - I'd add Michael Olenick's Blue Ocean strategy to the mix (I think it's a marketing strategy of some kind, but my nose starts bleeding after six paragraphs or so) and the whole seems quite a powerful combination. I have serious qualms about urban villages and assisted-living centers in the heart of an undergraduate college, especially this one, but I don't think such ideas should be dismissed out of hand. Where are the ideas for preserving the campus just as it is *and* solvent *and* thriving *and* adapted to the changing US society of the 21st century? I have a reflexive distaste for wholesale purges of any kind, I believe far more in reform than in revolution. There are also practical reasons for keeping and valuing the people of the college; they've demonstrated clearly that they are completely committed to the place, quite a lot of them will stick with it through thick and thin. I urge everyone to see this as a hugely valuable asset and not as some caricature of ghosts and dusty slates. This kind of loyalty doesn't grow on trees. There is a flip side to ignoring the value of continuity. We can't expect alumni, or any person or foundation with an Antioch affiliation, to feel the slightest obligation to an Antioch 2.0 that has been reinvented beyond recognition. In fact, any college reopening with the Antioch name in 2012 will face a great deal of outright hostility. That's not a threat, it's a predictable consequence. There has got to be a better business plan. Finally, I'd also like to point out that nothing the BoT has said or done is irreversible. No one should accept their decisions as inscribed on a tablet handed down on Mount Sinai. Until now they have provided a peculiar set of facts about the college & university finances and Laura Fathauer has posted some excellent questions about it. It strikes me that with a little scutiny, this decision could die of the common cold. There are solutions to this crisis, and they will probably involve accountants, lawyers and alumni wallets, but nothing is carved in stone. Our brainstorming must not be limited to a 2012 scenario. Meanwhile, I sincerely hope some of the college faculty are paying attention to this chatlist, and that someone out there is copy/pasting notes on this coversation. There have been some very useful ideas put forward. Thanos '88 -- We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains From aadole at adelphia.net Wed Jul 11 12:51:11 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:08:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Don't just complain, get involved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/10/07 12:03 PM, "dl bahr" wrote: > >> My guess is that running a medical system is poor preparation for plunging > into the complex >> world of higher education. > > In response to the above excerpt from your post below, Art. > Maybe in Dixon's era it was not good preparation for higher ed, but I do not > know if I would totally rule it for this era's administrators. I work in > health care--I have not come to any final conclusion about health care > administrators except to wonder "Who the hell are these people?" They may > have some useful skills that would benefit higher ed. I am not as quick to > rule them out as you for all ages as you are, Art. Antioch College > certainly needs some administrative doctoring, I would appreciate various > perspectives for triage. > > Lesley A. P. Bahr '83, BFA > Buffalo, MN > > >>Lesley, I have worked both in hospital and university/college settings. My point is that the two cultures are different and that each is very complicated. Art Dole From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 09:57:22 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:10:11 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <467441.70677.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Accounting error forced Antioch's hand > A cash flow > analysis last fall found > a $5 million 'hole' in the school's finances, > forcing trustees to close the > facility. >Accounting irregularities in Antioch University >finances discovered by a recently hired chief >financial officer led to Antioch College's projected >$10 million deficit, which forced the board of >trustees' decision to close the college in July 2008. Well, thats interesting, because publicly for a month, and in the official board resolution & supporting documentation, the BoT indicated the deficits and the decision to close are based ONLY on financial difficulties caused by enrollment. So, now we're seeing evidence that the UNIVERSITY Administration KNEW about an accounting error, then HID that information until their plan to close the College was official and in place. > A cash flow analysis, conducted after financial > officer Tom Faecke found a > "five-million dollar hole" shortly after he was > hired in fall, revealed the > university system faced bankruptcy by 2008, board > vice chair Dan Fallon > confirmed Tuesday. So, in the FALL OF 06 they determined the University would be bankrupt by 08. Because of an accounting error. > Antioch's announcement in June that the college > would close cited recent > enrollment drops from around 500 students in 2005 to > 300 students today and > a small endowment as the source of financial > problems that made it > unsustainable. The University's supporting documentation indicated the deficit was ENTIRELY based on enrollment not matching the Renewal Commission's 3-year old enrollment predictions. > College spokeswoman Lynda Sirk, also in a separate > interview with the > newspaper, said she was not familiar with what > Faecke had uncovered, and > could not answer why previous financial officers > "had a different way of > looking at the numbers." Go ask them. They're still on University payroll. > The university may hire an independent auditor to > get an accurate picture of > its finances. We've seen the types of consultants the University hires. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From skooter3 at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 09:59:48 2007 From: skooter3 at gmail.com (Christian Skotte) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:12:38 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] On the subjects of facilities and curriculum Message-ID: As much as I hate to admit it, the BoT is correct when they say that the state of the facilities is the number 1 factor that keeps students from coming to Antioch. There is quite a bit of interest in the currculum and the Antioch "brand," as evidenced by the 30 year high in applications the college received two years ago. Unfortunately, those students who are admitted aren't choosing Antioch. And when they are asked why they chose some other school, the number 1 reason by a wide margin is the state of the facilities. As I mentioned in an offline message, I'm not talking about a lack of cable television, I'm talking about potentially lethal mold in the residence halls, buildings that are quite literally falling apart, a union that is occasionally shut down for being fire hazard, etc. Students simply don't want to attend that school. The curriculum had some major growing pains (mostly from being implemented while it was still being designed. I still don't know whose decision that was. Rick Jurasek?), but was actually appealing to students. They liked the concept of interdisciplinary 1st year courses, even if they were a somewhat mixed bag in practice. The only problem prospective students had with the curriculum was the co-op model. Only having three options for co-op sites ( D.C., Northern NM, and YSO) was not attractive. Interdiciplinary learning with faculty-guided individual majors was. An interesting project would be to interview a sample of the 1,200 students from the last three years who were admitted but chose not to attend to explore more deeply why they made their choice. Of course, the admissions staff now only has two people, so that could be a challenge. Any social scientist alumnus want to take that project on? In my heart of hearts I do believe that we can keep the place open and really turn the ship around. But the facilities do need to be addressed. Multiple millions of dollars need to be spent to get students to see Antioch not as a place that's falling down and living in the past, but as somewhere that is innovative and forward looking. Cheers, Skooter student 96-01 employee 02-07 On 7/11/07, Nina Coleman wrote: > > > > The logic exhibited in the creation of the plan to "keep the > buildings standing" is desperate and backwards. If the Antioch > College campus just LOOKED better, all of our problems will go away, > yatiyatiyada. They want to build a "state of the art" > WELLNESS CENTER in place of the student union, tearing down the old > buildings, taking out the beautiful trees between North Hall and the > stoop, and putting in a, get this, road with open access from town > right there all the way through campus to Cory Road towards the Glen. > > From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 11 10:28:40 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Jul 11 10:41:27 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] LOVE THY NEIGHBOR OR AT LEAST THEIR APPROACH Message-ID: Here is an interesting tidbit..... Only 5.9 miles away from Antioch there is also a school with 150 years of educational legacy. Whose budget was 19 million just like the College's would have been before the crazy stuff started. whose deficit was 5 million...just like ours who had a small endowment 11.l million .... ours 30 ish who also had a co-op program. During their exigency they had some slashing and burning...but DID NOT SUSPEND OPERATIONS. They are now starting to thrive.... Wilberforce..... See what follows......first part of text is from internal campus discussion known as PULSE... I have since heard that, due to the successful weathering of the financial exigency, Wilberforce not only has restored employees to their previous pay rates--Wilberforce gave them raises. President Flake said he wanted to reward the staff for its sacrifices and for helping end the exigency. response from Carole Braun Chelsea Martens on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 at 3:56 PM -0500 wrote: >http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=579677 Duffy '77 creative exigency??? hmmmmm From aadole at adelphia.net Wed Jul 11 13:59:00 2007 From: aadole at adelphia.net (Art Dole) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:16:15 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] (GO GREEN) Housing and building plans In-Reply-To: <904806.76093.qm@web52809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/10/07 1:35 PM, "Karen Kotiw" wrote: > Karen mentions appropriately College of the Atlantic which is 10 miles from our house. It is impressively green. It was imaginatively designed to capitalize on its setting: small wealthy tourist town, Acadia National Park, Jackson Research Laboratory, etc. Also of note about it--Since it started in Bar Harbor, Maine. in the 70's it has limited its enrollment and its major (human ecology). COA started with fewer than 100 students,it grew slowly while remaining selective. Recently it began to work closely with local, prospering Acadia Senior College (where I now teach). It now accepts no more than about 300 students total, is free standing, private liberal arts, small endowment, and its income exceeds its outgo. Our daughter, Barbara Dole Acosta, attended both colleges and graduated from Antioch in the 80's. She loves them both. Art Dole From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 11 11:23:24 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Jul 11 11:36:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] YS town meeting news Message-ID: Check out today' s daytondailynews.com for photos and stories about last night's town hall meeting in YS. over 250 were there during a horribly sweaty thunderstormy evening...... Hey, Ina, the two Dons (Don Wallis and Don Wallace) were inthe same room..finally. Before I started yacking I made a PSA telling the two Don Wallis (Wallaces) to stick around and meet each other. Got good laughter. Ah, the joys of a small village. Duffy From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Jul 11 12:27:37 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:40:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] LOVE THY NEIGHBOR OR AT LEAST THEIR APPROACH Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2007 9:29:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, duffy@antioch-college.edu writes: I have since heard that, due to the successful weathering of the financial exigency, Wilberforce not only has restored employees to their previous pay rates--Wilberforce gave them raises. President Flake said he wanted to reward the staff for its sacrifices and for helping end the exigency. Duffy, I would very much be interested in the particulars of how they organized and dealt with their financial problems. There are several critical differences between Antioch and Wilberforce. First of all, Wilberforce is sponsored by the AME, (African Methodist Episcopal) Church, headquartered in Philly. Until recent years it was the primary college for training the ministry and missionaries for this denomination. AME, unlike some other African American Christian denominations is organized in an episcopal fashion, with very well ordered requirements for ordination to the ministry -- roughly an MA program -- leading to a career in the AME structure, under the direction of a presiding Bishop. AME is also an international church -- it has dioceses in West Africa, South Africa and in the Caribbean, and historically Wilberforce has trained clergy for these destinations, either Americans serving as missionaries, or foreign students selected by local Bishops for training. I suspect at least some of Wilberforce's financial difficulties are the result of changes in the selection and training process not only at the national level, but internationally. I know, for instance, that perhaps 25 or 30 years ago AME joined some interdenominational seminary efforts, encouraging prospective clergy to consider these, (Harvard Divinity, Southern Methodist for instance), and this may have had a profound impact on AME's traditional seminary structure. I think President Flake is former Congressman Floyd Flake if I remember rightly. He left Congress to devote full time to the ministry, first in NYCity, and later he was moved to Wilberforce. I would imagine he was able to use fund raising networks in the AME Church itself as well as networks he knew well from his political career, to deal with the financial emergency. Anyhow, I would be interested in knowing the details. AME is an elite institution in the African American Community and I can well imagine that once the situation became evident that many serious contributors would have come forward to help. It would also be interesting to know how Wilberforce is repositioning itself given national and international changes. For instance somewhere I read that AME in South Africa opened a college, which was organized to reject the Missionary model, and that school was attracting many students from across Africa as well as from the Caribbean. In repositioning itself, did Wilberforce change that approach? Congressman Flake had much to say about this when he quit politics -- he was interested in working on an Urban Development Model when he returned to New York -- something that initially caused GWBush to praise him in line with his Faith Based notions -- but apparently that did not last very long. Anyhow, details would be interesting. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From duffy at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 11 12:44:55 2007 From: duffy at antioch-college.edu (Steven Duffy) Date: Wed Jul 11 12:57:42 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] LOVE THY NEIGHBOR OR AT LEAST THEIR APPROACH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sister Sara...there are indiviiduals in the YS community who have worked at Wilberforce and some who do even right now. Getting ahold of them would take awhile. If you want first hand tales..... I am sure it was three or four years of hell. Even heard some horror stories from third parties before the start of last night's YS town meeting. One local casualty was a local Minister , Father John Freeman who heads the CME church in YS. I think good friends found him a job at Central State when he lost a Dean's job at Wilberforce. BTW at Wilberforce there are two HBCUs.....Central State and Wilberforce..locals there use slang churchside and stateside. The article I found was a one second chat with "Barney Google". I found an ERIC document that popped up kinda interesting...because even their fac was unionized. If one had real time...of course..there are real academic tools...even in my own building..but I am trying to do everyday work and inbetween crisis meetings of all sorts. Living in a wild environment here... Duffy BE ASHAMED TO LET IT DIE From dlbahr at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 13:17:02 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Wed Jul 11 13:29:56 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sister Sara's focus echoes my own thoughts. We need to focus on a plan that restores the academic institution of Antioch College which requires fund raising. We need a foundation that firewalls this fund raising from Antioch University--so that we can bring renewal to Antioch College. We need Antioch Colleges assets in the control (ownership) of an independent system of governance. Until that day happens where the by laws are changed (which is a HUGE IF) then there needs to be a alumni foundation firewalled from University that can begin to have some leverage with our legacy and our money/expertise/contacts to at least negotiate Antioch College's future and be a player in the planning not just a trained puppy sent out to get funds for a University ready to wash its hands of its aging parent organization and its youngest generation of students. I will not allow my enthusiatic desire to SAVEANTIOCH to prevent me from developing perspective and strategy before proceeding. It is my overaching and very general view that the reason JD's work (and perhaps Leo Dreys hefty sums) did not in the long run start to solve the problem is because they were working through and with THE UNIVERSITY and perhaps with the wrong goals/focus (I don't know). It appears in the mid nineties President Guskin (influenced by whose advise?) decided to become Chancellor and eventually retire to Seattle. Whatever the plan was it certainly caused the College to begin a tailspin. It also appears that the University was in flux without much leadership. Again I am generalizing. I was not there, I am not an administrator--this is the picture I am getting in a basic gesture. Mr Guskin's plan (who was advising him?) feels so muddled that I can only imagine that it was more about power plays than about clear thinking-- I do not know I am only imagining. Good governance and organizational structures matter, not the cult of personality. Leadership is about being a good stewards of a clear mission and a well conceived mechanism for fulfilling that vision--it is not about becoming a cult figure. It has to be sustainable. Efforts of AIF also appeared to be blocked every step of the way--reading the final report makes me wonder if only a Houdini could have survived the mess that kept morphing in the leadership of that place, let alone negotiating with it. It appears that AIF's proposals kept morphing trying to adapt to an unstable situation and there was no real progress made. Again my sketchy analysis of AIF is that it did not have a clear, consistent mission/focus--it was more of a brainstorm trying to get a focus. (Please forgive my generalities I am going on my read of the final 2003 report which was read between arriving ER patients at my hospital desk job so I might have missed some key points). It was the lack of a clear unwavering mission and a degree of instabilty/sabotage/resistence (hard to tell) by AU leadership (which includes College President) that did not allow negotiations to go through--again I was not there. If a foundation were established for alumni to really focus fund raising and brokering for Antioch College's future it needs a longer period before it would either disband or renew to continue. Again a strong clear focus could keep it from having to adapt to whatever power play or vacillations within the University are taking place. CLEAR MISSION & LONG ENOUGH TIME FRAME TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL & CLEAR EXPECTATIONS/ACCONTABILITY FOR ANY FUNDS RAISED! MORE FUNDS--BROADER BASE OF DONORS. I think are worthy efforts for alumni. I do not want to be involved in doing the fund raising for a University plan which puts the alumni in the job of doing all the work without much of a stake in the final outcome. Neither do I want to be involved in a muddled alumni attempt at fund raising. As sympathetic as I feel toward faculty and staff on the ground I do not feel that Alumni fund raising should go towards a faculty defense fund. If I want to contribute to this I will do this separately. Alumni need FOCUS. Nothing has convinced me that Antioch College getting its own BoT within a University system is going to remedy the problem. If someone sees this differently I would listen and learn from your perspective. It is about control of ASSETS and LEGACY and changing BY LAWS. That is what the focus of alumni needs to be. If a Foundation is the ticket I AM THERE. I do not have this capability on my own but I could network with others to begin developing this. It is my hope it could be done relatively quickly if we could get FOCUSED. I know I would need lots of help--I wish I had all the skills but I am confident I could learn. During the last decades there has still been a College but it has lost its vitality and has stagnated because of it structural flaws. There is such a strong underlying foundation despite all of those times. I am beginning to grasp the calibre of the leaders on the ground during 1980's who kept the place going, despite Birenbaum and all that craziness. Hats off to those campus leaders--I miss many of your faces. They kept it going so our generation got a degree. When many capable campus leaders from 1970's & 1980's retired the place took a nose dive which has included dwindling enrollment. Saying this does not mean all has been terrible--there are still wonderful Antioch students and wonderful faculty--but institutionally the plane was starting to point down not holding its own through extreme turbulence. Even after a Strike and all the shenanigans and craziness--the place has gone on for 34 years--this still amazes me. The devotion that Antioch College has fostered in so many is one of its greatest assets. I still say it goes back to Character and Place. Character and place. We need to rebuild the academics but if you destroy the character and the place--then you've lost whatever has sustained it despite all these shenanigans and experiments. Academic excellence is not what makes the place unique--although it can be and needs to be academically excellent. I chose Antioch College 1) Because it was strong in the Arts and had a liberal arts curriculum 2) Because it gave me the best financial aid 3) Because the Village of Yellow Springs and the natural surroundings was more beautiful than any of the other campuses I viewed...I saw the beauty (not the rundown structures which my father saw...I saw the beauty of the place.) Compared to all the other campuses I visited--I was accepted everywhere I applied including Oberlin--I thought Yellow Springs/Antioch was the best. 4) Because I could travel and work throughout the United States and Abroad 5) Because there seemed to be a lot of quirky and interesting people running around the place that seemed like "my kind of people" 6) Because the faculty and administrators I met were interested in me and engaged me--they were great hosts--not at all distant--friendly, smiling, and talking to me a high school student who rarely had anyone take an interest in me or who I might want to be. 7) Because I met alumni who told me wonderful things about their college. **Digression--I had been dragged to a conference on some hot-button sociology panel discussion/meeting with my father a Sociologist in Akron, OH. I a HS JR sat reading the literature about Antioch recently arrived in the mail. At the end of the conference one of the panelist came up to me and asked if I was considering Antioch--I said yes--It came out he was an Antioch grad and waxed on about the Glen etc etc...it was not so much what he said to me, it was the love he had for the place which really moved me. He also seemed to have moved forward in life to become an expert on something Sociological. 8) Because there was flexibility and an ability to do interdisciplinary work--if I wanted to combine arts and social science. I ended up going for a traditional arts degree but I was drawn by the flexibility that could see across boundaries. There was a diverse student body and I believe there will always be a diverse student body. Moot point. I will never forget getting invited to a Japanese friend's home for dinner with Odetta the folk singer. Odetta was in the area to give a concert in Springfield. My friend had organized Odetta's first concert in Japan in 1960's. I just happened to call her because we had an ongoing conversation going about literature---"Oh Lesley, you must come, Odetta is coming to dinner! Odetta is coming to dinner!" I cannot translate her Japanese English accent. Multi-culturalism is a fact in Yellow Springs. I lived there for 10 years. Even in the most conservative back waters of America which my current location is--a backwater--there is multiculturalism existing and being discussed despite and even among those very locals who resist. There are plenty of refugees being hosted by Free Evangelicals and Mormons. At my reception desk I have met at least one Bosnian, Afghan, African (multiple cultures), Guatemalen, plenty of Mexicans, Russian (one a lady who appeared to have a pimp), addict daughter of a legendary soul singer, Indian--my friend Gajendra who I call the Ghandhi of our town is the retired father of a motel owner in town. Included are all the local Minnesotan ethnicities including more than one tribal lineage of Native American. Even a few surprise appearances by prominent Antiochians. Divesity is not going away and it it will be reflected at Antioch. It will be for admissions officers not alumni to tweak the demographics. A strong academic institution where cultural scholarship along with the Arts and Science is where we need to focus on and return to excellence. We need to build partnerships with places like Rocky Mountain Institute, White Earth Reservation, Al Gores work, Wellstone Action---any body want to start adding to the list? Let's start developing a list of organizations and start fostering partnerships--it is doable and even FUN. I believe that there are still young people--at least 800 if not 1200--out there who would be drawn to Antioch College. I keep thinking this is NOT rocket science or about huge demographic shifts--this is peanuts. I see this is as so doable. I just do not get why this has become soooo tough for us to do. My husband works with teenagers, and there is a great bunch coming up right now. There is also a plethora of information and thinking regarding leadership. Obviously many of our competitors are succeeding. I believe in the Liberal Arts, I believe in testing the liberal arts in the world. You need science. You need Arts. You need Humanities. You need a faculty invested in the mission they are to accomplish. You need to study and know your history. And you need to fund raise like HELL and Recruit people capable of doing the work--sometimes it only takes one or two people to get the damn ball rolling--if they could just get on the right page. I am almost back to watermelon analogies...as my husband says about his frustration with liberals (which he is one) is that they just can't seem to get the job done. He is a farmer from a poor family and he learned how to get the job done---and he has a miraculous field of watermelons so far north...where supposedly you cannot even grow the damn things. You can accomplish much with clear vision and an ability to work hard at what you want to do and a love for what it is you want to do. Dana, my beloved, did a hell of a lot of research on soil and talked to ag researchers who also helped. He still is constantly reading and trying to improve. Most of the time it looks like a weedy mess about to go under at any moment, but every damn year he pulls it off, because he understands what it is he is trying to accomplish and he has a sustainable plan and FOCUS. OK and maybe we are not big on money--we live simply. Intelligence, focus, a good clear plan and a strong body willing to WORK! Enough on watermelon farms and farmers. I am sure I am not making a case for my being the exemplar Antiochian. However, I could sure sell Antioch College and Yellow Springs to others--because I love it and I do have some knowledge of its character and place. I know many brighter minds than mine. Now if we could just get the job done. Our plane has probably crashed and may be burning right now with a lot of rescue workers trying to clean it up. The ground will still be there and I hope the Memory. There is always a time in farming when you need to rest one field and rotate to another field for planting. Ash can make excellent fertilizer. Opps enough on farming...we are suppose to be talking about scholarship and academic excellence. All the Best, Lesley AP Bahr, '83 BFA Buffalo, MN 55313 >From: Sistersara@aol.com >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: Re: [Alumni-chat] "Hate"/demographics >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:35:55 EDT > > >In a message dated 7/10/2007 10:28:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >tgseto@hotmail.com writes: > >Still. The academic program. What about that? What would entice all >those >kazillion kids to come to THIS school? > >Thelma > > > >Thelma, I think the core Academic Enterprise needs to always be understood >as more important than any other aspect of any plan. Ultimately you have >to >build a highly competent faculty that can take ownership of curriculum -- >for >that is not the function of Boards of Trustees, Administrative officers nor >actually of students. For that you need money that is placed in a >dedicated >and conservatively invested Endowment, that essentially is used only as >the >base for funding what we might call "chairs" in the discipline departments >of a >quality Liberal Arts College. I am less concerned with the specifics of >tenure, more concerned with having dependable investment income adequate >to a >strong guarantee that a specific teaching position has permanent funding. >I >would estimate that in order to re-open with a new focus on a high quality >Academic Enterprise, each chair would need to be backed by a million >dollars, >(which would generate at 5.5 - 6% income on principle, between 55 to 60 >thousand >per year -- and I would see this as about 2/3's of what would be the >salary >plus benefits for the kind of positions I am describing. At a minimum you >need between 25 - 30 of these to thinly cover the Liberal Arts as >generally >understood. The objective over a period of perhaps ten years ought to be >to >increase this dedicated endowment so as to both increase the number of >permanent >teaching positions, and to, as far as possible, remove their support from >the tuition cash flow. Of course you would have other teaching faculty -- >some >on the equivalent of tenure track, others hired as special instructors, >and >their positions would be various contracts of shorter or longer time >periods, >and paid for out of the tuition cash flow. This kind of approach would >create a core faculty with a strong economic guarantee behind the >position, and >at lesser positions, financial flexibility given demands. > >While it isn't all that sexy -- we all would prefer to design houses and >campus buildings -- I think the Alumni Board ought to focus on raising the >perhaps 30 - 50 million necessary to this rather simple plan for rebuilding >the >core of the Academic Enterprise, realizing that once it is realized, you >give >this new faculty responsibility for and ownership of the planned >curriculum. >But yes, since most of these new core faculty would be new, and probably >not >all that in touch with more than 150 years of Antioch Tradition, you would >find ways to set up Alumni advisory groups that would work with this new >faculty in integrating what was "high quality" from the past into the >future. But >I in no way want to bind the future to repeat mistakes of the past. > >Where would you find such faculty? -- I think there are many established >mid-career University Faculty around the country (even the world) who love >teaching, and are frustrated with large systems, and who might accept a >well >financed challenge to "re-envision" a quality Liberal Arts program. I'd be >looking for known good teachers, perhaps in their late 40's or early 50's >-- at >least ten years away from retirement, who also have good reputations if not >publications in their own disciplines. I'd want prudent risk takers, but I > would >also look for evidence of easy collaboration with other faculty, and clear >evidence of being able to collaborate outside the professional field. > >I think an Alumni Board that could raise the funds for this approach, would >be in a very powerful position to deal with Antioch University to negotiate >both an independent College Board of Trustees and what would be >essentially a >property and financial settlement regarding the remainder assets of Antioch >College. In my mind, the current University BoT ought to bear most of the >costs of renovating or replacing major buildings on campus, (Library, new >central union and dining facilities, modernized science building, in >advance of >modern IT covering not only the campus but the whole town.) My division of >bricks and mortar from Intellectual Capital is really quite fundamental. >The >Campus was allowed to go to rot over many years of Board decisions >regarding >deferred maintenance, and the unwillingness for whatever reason of >administrators to discipline campus trashers, -- and I see the essential >bricks and >mortar as their responsibility. > >I favor the idea of working with an innovative and high quality developer >to >create something like what is being discussed as an urban village designed >with active retirees and other interested folk in mind. I see it as >absolutely necessary to the health of Yellow Springs, which needs more >property on the >tax rolls, more people paying the village income tax, to sustain a good >quality of village life. Some of such development could be a piece of the >income >stream helping the college -- but I am really more concerned with the >economic health of the village. Active retirees eventually become less >active >retirees, who need assisted living and health care -- but I'd start with >the late >50's early 60's set, and then allow them to age and mature, and plan >financially for accommodating natural ageing. However I have real >reservations >about expecting diverse age groups to intensely socially interact. Part >of going >off to college is about moving away from Parents, family, high school >friends, and testing yourself against a world, but doing this as part of >your own >age cohort. Likewise, retirement done well is about breaking free of the >career rat race, doing things for quite self motivated reasons, selecting >the >obligations you want, and not feeling pressured to assume unnecessary or >unwanted obligations. But one reason for combining a Liberal Arts College >and an >Urban Village for retired or semi-retired folk is pretty simple. There is >plenty of research showing that the elderly who remain intellectually >engaged, >live longer, have much "happier" or satisfying mature years, and retain >independence much longer. In terms of social cost it is simply better to >encourage >intellectual engagement. But in your thinking you have to keep the two >"systems" somewhat independent. Students need their own social space >around >their own engagement with the Academic Enterprise. > >To accomplish something like this, one will need leadership -- a huge >helping of leadership that does not divide or polarize, but instead pulls >people >into picking a piece of a well worked out plan, and working to move it >forward >-- investing in it. In a sense, it calls for something I would call a 21st >century Arthur Morgan type, someone with both the vision and the skills of >an >organizational engineer -- who can use authority in a responsible way to >keep >things on track, but who constantly enlarges the circle by not alienating >those with stakes in the vision. In the past I have called for someone >like a >Wesley Clark (Antioch has tried everything other than a 4 star General) >and >I still think that is absolutely essential. At some point you have to >write >the mission statement, convert it into a job description, do a search and >make a hire and then let someone with the energy and skills move it >forward. >You need someone heading up the enterprise who brings to the now failed >and >bankrupt decayed campus with a legacy and history to die for, the "charge >forward" instincts to plan the details, restore confidence of prospective >donors >and funding sources, and organize to the plan. You can't do this with >bake >sales and ad hoc efforts. > >Will students come if YSO is closed down for a few years of reconstruction >and replanning? If it is a very high quality place, with good >underwriting, a >clear appreciation of what a quality Liberal Arts Education is all about >-- >I think you will easily find students. If you can plan the program with a >re-invented co-op notion appropriate to the 21st century, and price the >product >so it is realistically in range for children of middle classed families, >(Immigrant and not) and not about sending graduates out into the world >enslaved >to their college loans -- yea, I think you can find lots of applicants. >The >goal ought to be to get back to the kind of selectivity Antioch had back >in >the hay day of Fressa Inman. (and believe me, everyone who got picked >before >the class of 1966 was picked by Fressa Inman.) I really am not suggesting >going back to her "system" -- but I do think she needs to be remembered >for >creating some very interesting classes of students over the years. > >About two years ago I read a marvelous essay about his initiation to >Antioch >by Clifford Geertz on the net, but I can't find it now. Geertz died last >year, so perhaps his site has been abandoned. For those who don't know >that >name -- he was in the class that arrived in 1946, the first wave of the GI >Bill >students, and having served in the Pacific War, his High School Counselor >literally put him on a Greyhound from San Francisco ticketed to Yellow >Springs >with his GI rights in hand, and a letter from Fressa letting him in. >Eventually, Geertz became the first behavioral Social Scientist appointed >to the >Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton, (Einstein's home) -- he was >an >Antioch Philosophy Major, and a Harvard PhD in Anthropology, and his >special area >of interest was the dynamics of the Muslim world. He also was awarded by >the Alumni Board, the Horace Mann award. Understanding the possibilities >of >where you find the future Antiochians may well be about knowing what >Geertz >discussed in his biographical essay which I found a few years ago on the >net >while trying to find whether he had other professional papers of recent >vintage >on Islam. But his Antioch Initiation essay was a fantastic diversion. In >many ways I think the somewhat cultish film (at least for those of us who >live >near Iowa's endless Cornfields) "Field of Dreams" may have the right >lesson >for us -- "If you build it, they will come." The demographics are >important, >but a powerful product and a winning strategy can wedge into the >demographics >a place for a new Antioch. > > > > > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From moloney at pobox.com Wed Jul 11 13:34:03 2007 From: moloney at pobox.com (Elizabeth Moloney) Date: Wed Jul 11 13:46:53 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] put Antioch in your bios Message-ID: <49F64721-D094-4FCC-9195-9CF3F1A5451E@pobox.com> A suggestion for anyone who has a public bio coming out soon (bookjacket, program bio etc). When my union was trying to fight the sudden rush of non-Union tours that were being advertised as "Broadway" productions, we made a big push for members in any kind of show to put that they were Equity members in their bios (http://www.actorsequity.org/NewsMedia/news2006/ AddAEA.asp and http://www.actorsequity.org/NewsMedia/touring_main.asp for more info). This helped raise people's awareness that what they were seeing was (or wasn't as the case may be) the "real thing". I would suggest that anyone who is willing to do so with their bios in respect to being an Antiochian or an Antioch COLLEGE grad.... you'd be surprised how effective it can be in terms of general awareness. Name (Role) - Shows, blah blah blah, Graduate of Antioch College. You get the idea.... From npeterson at prosperodesign.com Wed Jul 11 13:58:12 2007 From: npeterson at prosperodesign.com (Nicholas Peterson) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:11:02 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] put Antioch in your bios In-Reply-To: <49F64721-D094-4FCC-9195-9CF3F1A5451E@pobox.com> References: <49F64721-D094-4FCC-9195-9CF3F1A5451E@pobox.com> Message-ID: <46951A34.8000909@prosperodesign.com> Elizabeth Moloney wrote: > A suggestion for anyone who has a public bio coming out soon > (bookjacket, program bio etc). > > When my union was trying to fight the sudden rush of non-Union tours > that were being advertised as "Broadway" productions, we made a big > push for members in any kind of show to put that they were Equity > members in their bios > (http://www.actorsequity.org/NewsMedia/news2006/AddAEA.asp and > http://www.actorsequity.org/NewsMedia/touring_main.asp for more > info). This helped raise people's awareness that what they were > seeing was (or wasn't as the case may be) the "real thing". I would > suggest that anyone who is willing to do so with their bios in respect > to being an Antiochian or an Antioch COLLEGE grad.... you'd be > surprised how effective it can be in terms of general awareness. Name > (Role) - Shows, blah blah blah, Graduate of Antioch College. You get > the idea.... > I second this suggestion. Four years ago in the Boston theatre community there was a movement for directors, actors and designers to put educational background in their bios especially if it was a Boston school. The hope was to have students realize the fine work being done by fellow graduates. This was to grow the local scene and encourage networking. It has worked so far. There are more people attending schools in Boston, staying after graduation, and finding work too. It also was suggested for people who attended schools out of the region to show that graduates of these schools come to work in Boston. We should all take pride in our educational background and accomplishments. Nick Nicholas Peterson '00 From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 14:11:00 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:23:54 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] recent posts from Thelma, Mark, Sistersara et al. In-Reply-To: <20070711113932.E91A61BF28D@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: Thanos-- Your post addresses or mirrors two questions that I have been asking myself since turning off the computer last night. Message-ID: <114730.25659.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Nothing can be done without Steve Lawry at the helm, > in my opinion. He's > the best thing that has happened to this school in a > very long time. What > does he think? What, for that matter, are our > representatives thinking? > Could we PLEASE have someone from the Board in on > this discussion? > Um, what? I see him as in complete cahoots with the BoT, and not very in favor of student power, not to mention, peevish! Didn't he have a tantrum at a community meeting, as well as "consider" listening to AdCil? Not to mention NOBODY in the administration thought to tell current students and alums BEFORE it hit the news that Antioch might close? Disrespectful! he was on NPR the next morning- that HAD to be set up ahead of time. Robin '91 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From dlbahr at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 14:43:11 2007 From: dlbahr at hotmail.com (dl bahr) Date: Wed Jul 11 14:56:08 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] recent posts from Thelma, Mark, Sistersara et al. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Obviosly demographics is no "tweaking" matter to you Thelma. Wrong use of words, sorry. My focus is different. >From: "Thelma Seto" >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] recent posts from Thelma, Mark, Sistersara et >al. >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:11:00 -0400 > >Thanos-- > >Your post addresses or mirrors two questions that I have been asking myself >since turning off the computer last night. > >preserving the campus just as it is *and* solvent *and* thriving >*and* adapted to the changing US society of the 21st century? > >I don't think it can survive as is but will post some of my ideas >separately. The program needs changes. One of the changes, which is a >function of socio-political realities today, is that it needs an >income-generating stream. This isn't unique to Antioch. We are not >subsidized by a church, although that is an option (and going way back to >our roots). Not all churches are conservative. Churches are experiencing >fiscal stress of their own, so I'm not sure this is possible, and the >reputation of the school lately would work against this. I can just >imagine the discussions between Church leaders and the congregations who >want nothing to do with Antioch. > >believe far more in reform than in revolution. > >Generally, I would agree. But I'd like to add that "reform" has not worked >at Antioch. > >also practical reasons for keeping and valuing the people >of the college; they've demonstrated clearly that they are >completely committed to the place, quite a lot of them will >stick with it through thick and thin. > >Absolutely. > >or done is irreversible. > >This is one of my major questions right now. Is this a done deal? Was it >a done deal before the announcement was made? After all, who in their >right mind would make this announcement just as the next entering class is >deciding which school to enroll in? CAN this be reversed? This hasn't >been answered. I need the answer to come from the BoT and not alumni who >are not on the BoT. > >If it CANNOT be reversed and Antioch will not keep its doors open, I am >wondering what I'm doing committing all this time to trying to envision a >future school. I'm not trying to be a wet blanket. I'm happy to keep >going--what we've started recently is exciting to me--but if this is not >negotiable, most of the staff and faculty are homeless, and "we" (are we >even included in any of this? it doesn't appear that we are yet) begin to >build a school from the ground up, is it Antioch we are saving? Or >something new using the same name? I'm really not interested in starting a >new school. That's not my life's obsession. Worthwhile work, sure, but >not mine. > >Nothing can be done without Steve Lawry at the helm, in my opinion. He's >the best thing that has happened to this school in a very long time. What >does he think? What, for that matter, are our representatives thinking? >Could we PLEASE have someone from the Board in on this discussion? > >this decision could die of the common cold. > >We have no power, Thanos. I would be very happy if Laura and others who >want to work with her can find a way to kill the decision to close the >school. But right now I don't think we have any decision-making power. We >can express our feelings about these decisions, we can raise some money >(probably not enough if we stick with the way we're going about it right >now), but we don't have a voice in these decisions. > >< There are solutions >to this crisis, and they will probably involve accountants, >lawyers and alumni wallets, but nothing is carved in stone. Our >brainstorming must not be limited to a 2012 scenario. > >More creative accounting? Hasn't creative accounting, in part, created >this hole? I would like to know where $5 million went. This sounds like >Rumsfeld's countless trillions the DoD can't track. When did this occur? >Under whose watch? > >attention to this chatlist, and that someone out there is >copy/pasting notes on this coversation. > >I agree. It would be nice to know what they are thinking. > >We need a coordinator badly. And it looks to me like a full-time job. I >suggest, if anyone on the Alumni Board is listening, we hire someone to do >this. It's not something to be done by a volunteer. It's a very big job, >if done properly. > >I'll post some of my ideas of an academic program that I think address the >issues the current generation will be facing in the next 30 years, and >which would be of interest to the changing demographic, for what they are >worth. Incidentally, Lesley, I don't think anyone can "tweak" >demographics. This is the reality we have to deal with intelligently if >Antioch is to survive. > >Thelma > >_________________________________________________________________ >Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one >place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 15:29:08 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:42:01 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry, WHAT? In-Reply-To: <114730.25659.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Robin Simons writes: Etiquette for list server posting requires respect for the needs of digest readers! Please, snip off the trailing history when you reply to a previous post. Others on the list server have already seen it and don't need to waste half their lives scrolling merrily through six or seven instances of the same message sent once to the list but attached to a response by a number of participants. We'll all get a lot more done and be happier about it. From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 16:17:32 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:30:25 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Thoughts on revamping the program In-Reply-To: <114730.25659.qm@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some thoughts to throw out for discussion to perhaps generate ideas that will lead us to a solution: Internationalize all academics. The governor of West Virginia is doing this pre-school through post-doc, not only in content but also in student body and in AEA-like offerings. The students of this and coming generations live in a rapidly changing world. The general American population is woefully ignorant of the history, cultures, politics, languages, etc. of most of the world, and that includes Antiochians of all generations. I would require for graduation a strong understanding of the history of all regions of the world. It is impossible to assess current political, social, cultural, economic events without knowing at least a fundamental history of the parts of the world involved, and how they are related historically to other parts of the world. This lack of historical understanding has made the general American public way behind the rest of the world in assessing what their leaders tell them, and what issues are really facing us today. The lack of this understanding also limits individuals professionally and academically. I would incorporate thinking from around the world in all subjects. Since my subject is Literature, I will use this as an example. A Literature major (I understand you don't have these any more...) should have at least a cursory familiarity of the literatures of the world--not merely Britain and the U.S.--as well as at least a cursory familiarity with the historical periods of its development--world-wide. The lack of internationalizing the curriculum makes Antioch a dinosaur (though not alone). There are monies to be had for teaching specific languages, including but not limited to the major languages spoken in the M.E., for example (since this is an area I know, I use this as an example only). At OU you can get a free education if you are willing to major in one of these. I'm not advocating everyone major in one of these languages, but I do think the grants are out there to support both the faculty for these offerings, as well as some scholarships for students interested in this pursuit. Those who speak, read and write these languages are in high demand--a professional benefit, no matter what field a student goes into. If you speak one of these in-demand languages, you can also tell when news outlet translators are LYING to you. ;-) A core program for the first two years, as I think Steve Wasby suggested. Something that can be "tested out" for those who are more advanced. This would include general knowledge that all liberal arts colleges used to provide, as well as specific skills necessary to the truly educated individual, such as analytical and critical thinking, creative problem-solving, strong academic and informal writing (I've been told some recent alums do not post here because it takes too long to communicate their thoughts accurately in e-mail, which any alum ought to be able to do, surely), enough mathematical understanding to problem-solve in practical terms (at least) in later life, and--especially and most importantly--knowing how to educate oneself. This last is something I went to Antioch for, and have used it in every aspect of my life since. Students graduating should not need a formal educational institution in order to learn completely new subjects, or to increase their knowledge of their chosen field. They should leave YSO armed with that weapon and be prepared to use it for the rest of their lives. I would also like to see a practical component. Not a day goes by that I do not have at least a fundamental understanding of things like building, carpentry, electricity, plumbing, masonry, etc. This should not be a primary focus, but it should be taught--probably in tandem with maintaining and adding to the physical plant. Courses on cross-cultural understanding taught by people from those cultures. I suspect at least a fundamental, and sympathetic, understanding of the world's religions is something everyone needs today--sad to say, perhaps--and is something that is rare in the body politic. If Antioch wants to put its values and principles (and politics) into practice, its curriculum should reflect this. You cannot understand a culture if you do not understand its religions. And in my experience it takes at least five years living deep within a culture to begin to see the world through its eyes; therefore, these instructors should be NATIVE TO the cultures they are teaching. You are very vulnerable to propaganda today if you do not understand either the culture or religion of people different than you, with whom your government would draw you into war. Extremely important to this generation and succeeding ones. A sophisticated understanding of media. It sounds like Antioch is already providing that, judging from how much it offers in that regard, although I do not know the content of these courses. Dove-tailed with that, every student should understand the basics of political science, economics, sociology, psychology and anthropology. These are vital to a well-rounded liberal arts education. I'm talking about the basics--NOT bells and whistles. As far as science goes, there is a growing body of knowledge every educated person needs. I can't say I got my science education from Antioch, but it's a major part of my life today. I wish I had more background, but know that I have learned a lot more in the field than I ever learned in any classroom. Some of Antioch's infrastructure problems lend themselves to practical education of the sciences. Antioch's science program has always been among the strongest and despite multiple cuts in recent years, it sounds like it's still very strong because of faculty who have stayed at that institution (thanks). I do suspect the science department needs updated facilities--seems they always have--but don't know what has been done on that front. In the third and fourth year, I would include courses on organizational operations, skills, entrepreneurship (dovetailed with actual entrepreneurship created to provide an income-generating stream), etc., for those who want them. Coursework and co-ops designed to teach students to go back to their communities or countries to help in development there (or political activism, if that's what you want to call it--change, in any case) should be offered and be substantive, with the coursework and co-ops carefully designed to complement one another, but I do not think this should be the MAIN focus of the program. It is important to offer it. Create community standards of behavior, ethics, etc. And put some teeth behind them. Figure out as a community how to handle these issues. Hold students to higher standards of behavior that include consideration for those who hold different values. Look at the political process on-campus and figure out how to make it work. It's obviously not working--and has been relying on individual personalities--for a very long time. I'm not talking about relations with AU--which I assume will have NO part in this AC--but internal problem-solving. It would probably be a good idea to teach conflict resolution to everyone--staff, faculty, students, etc. These skills are useful no matter where you go or what you do. Those are my thoughts. I also think the co-op program needs to be an INTEGRAL part of the academic offerings. Finding funding to subsidize low- and middle-income students so that they can take an internship pertinent to their field of study without economic hardship would be a good solution. Low-income students ABSOLUTELY MUST have equal opportunities to those whose parents can foot their kids' whole bill. If they do not have equal opportunities in this aspect of the program, it is only fair to lower their fees by at least 25%. The co-op program might have better in my time, but for the most part there were few co-ops in my field, and those required better-heeled parents than I was given. So I paid for a program I did not receive. My CV post-Antioch reflects this. Despite Antioch's considerable attempts to provide it, I did NOT receive an equal opportunity education there. This is a big problem, in my opinion, especially when attempting to recruit less privileged populations, and in light of Antioch's purported values, political and otherwise. Any thoughts? Thelma _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From pas0705 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 16:20:16 2007 From: pas0705 at yahoo.com (Laura Fathauer) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:33:05 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry, WHAT? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163793.42816.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sorry- Lawry needs to satisfactorily answer some questions regarding his participation in the decision to close the College, like: Exactly what knowledge did Lawry have of the University Administration's plans to close the college, pre BoT meeting? When directly asked at the Alumni Reunion why he (Lawry) did not provide information to the campus of the closure prior to the announcement, Lawry evaded answering the question. The ULC brought at least the beginnings of the plan regarding the College closing steps, A.K.A the plan for Antioch University YS, TO the June board meeting. Lawry as one of the campus president's sits on the ULC. Exactly what was Lawry's participation in ULC's development of these college closure steps? Exactly what knowledge did Lawry have of: 1) the University's Fall 06 findings on an erroneous $5mil accounting 'decision', and 2) the subsequent determination in the Fall of 06 that the University was facing bankruptcy in '08? The Vice-chair of the board revealed that the $5mil budgetary 'hole' was discussed AT the june board meeting, and was part of the reason for the closure. Not ONE PERSON, including Lawry, made mention of this accounting issue during the Alumni reunion. Exactly why did Lawry continue to support the pretense, between the date of the closure announcement and the revelation of this information this past Monday, that the deficits are ENTIRELY enrollment based? As College president, Lawry had to have SOME knowledge of what the University determined in the Fall of '06, and what the ULC was drafting up as 'closure steps.' Until Lawry can provide evidence that his stewardship in matters he was privy to was in the best interests of the College, and not the University, Lawry should be considered complicit in the University Administration's actions. -l ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From dapperslick at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 16:31:40 2007 From: dapperslick at hotmail.com (tex clark) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:44:33 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry, WHAT? In-Reply-To: <163793.42816.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i don't think lawry needs to answer any questions. his actions and the statements denigrating our community are enough by themselves to require his ouster. the question is whether it would undermine our cause to be without this feckless figurehead or how and if he can be advantageously replaced. wouldn't it be great for a prominent benefactor to seize the reins of the college and make it work and draw national attention to its immediate revival? college presidencies are good resting places for old politicians (see Bob Kerrey at the New School) what's Al Gore up to these days? Donna Shalayla? Cornell West? Robert Reich? any other lefty politicos out there interested in moving to yellow springs? pipedreaming probably. but whatever the case, antioch needs a champion in that seat and lawry seems to be operating from having his feelings hurt. somebody THINK BIG. tex >From: Laura Fathauer >Reply-To: Alumni Chat List >To: Alumni Chat List >Subject: RE: [Alumni-chat] Lawry, WHAT? >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Sorry- Lawry needs to satisfactorily answer some >questions regarding his participation in the decision >to close the College, like: > > >Exactly what knowledge did Lawry have of the >University Administration's plans to close the >college, pre BoT meeting? When directly asked at the >Alumni Reunion why he (Lawry) did not provide >information to the campus of the closure prior to the >announcement, Lawry evaded answering the question. > >The ULC brought at least the beginnings of the plan >regarding the College closing steps, A.K.A the plan >for Antioch University YS, TO the June board meeting. >Lawry as one of the campus president's sits on the >ULC. Exactly what was Lawry's participation in ULC's >development of these college closure steps? > >Exactly what knowledge did Lawry have of: 1) the >University's Fall 06 findings on an erroneous $5mil >accounting 'decision', and 2) the subsequent >determination in the Fall of 06 that the University >was facing bankruptcy in '08? > >The Vice-chair of the board revealed that the $5mil >budgetary 'hole' was discussed AT the june board >meeting, and was part of the reason for the closure. >Not ONE PERSON, including Lawry, made mention of this >accounting issue during the Alumni reunion. Exactly >why did Lawry continue to support the pretense, >between the date of the closure announcement and the >revelation of this information this past Monday, that >the deficits are ENTIRELY enrollment based? > >As College president, Lawry had to have SOME knowledge >of what the University determined in the Fall of '06, >and what the ULC was drafting up as 'closure steps.' >Until Lawry can provide evidence that his stewardship >in matters he was privy to was in the best interests >of the College, and not the University, Lawry should >be considered complicit in the University >Administration's actions. > >-l > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search >that gives answers, not web links. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 16:47:12 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 11 17:00:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Lawry, WHAT? In-Reply-To: <163793.42816.qm@web63909.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tex and Laura-- I prefer to keep an open mind. I encourage you to pursue your line of inquiries. But please remember that this was not a unanimous decision on the part of the BoT. None of us knows what happened behind closed doors. It's not fair to assume we do. Thelma _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From tgseto at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 20:18:30 2007 From: tgseto at hotmail.com (Thelma Seto) Date: Wed Jul 11 20:31:22 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Goshen/Hispanic Outreach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An alum gave me the heads-up on this program at Goshen College. When they decided to do outreach to the Hispanic community in Indiana, the Lilly Foundation gave them $12.5 million. It's only one approach--looks like an add-on to me. http://www.lillyendowment.org/pdf/GoshenCollegeunveils$12.5millionprogram.pdf www.goshen.edu/bulletin/Current_Issues/features The addy for news from the new Center which was created to generate an information clearinghouse for colleges and universities nation-wide to recruit "Hispanics and other minorities". They are wise in recruiting gradually. The Center also houses services for their new recruits. citl.goshen.edu/ Also, this is an international baccalaureat program--post-secondary school and pre-university with a focus on cross-cultural experience. It takes students from all over the world and has branches in quite a few countries. It is highly selective and scholarships are for full costs, funded by Gale & Shelby Davis, philanthropists. This is another approach. Note that this school teaches coursework in several languages, and includes wilderness, community and on-campus service programs, as well as travel and volunteer opportunities. Check out their alumni profiles. Not university level, and quite demanding academically. They require an unusual number of social sciences courses. This particular branch is in New Mexico. www.uwc-usa.org Thelma _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From warren at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 11 21:09:14 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Jul 11 21:22:04 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] post your idea documents inside an e-mail. In-Reply-To: <011a01c7c397$51680cc0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> References: <, > <011901c7c394$95d5a050$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> <,> <011a01c7c397$51680cc0$0201a8c0@home84c77b9b4f> Message-ID: Hey, Mark. If you're going to reprint this piece by Keyes, then you should reprint the piece that Bob Devine and I wrote defending our students. It also appeared in the Yellow Springs News, and you can access it by contacting the Yellow Springs News. Let's keep this thing balanced! best, Scott Alumni Chat List on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 4:41 AM wrote: > >I'd like to reprint this piece that Ralph Keyes '67, a "disgruntled" alum >and YSO resident wrote in the Yellow Springs News about the Renewal Plan. >It >reinforces the discussion we have been having about developing a plan that >attracts a larger and more diverse student body. Hope you don't mind >Ralph. >Also here's a well written blurb that our own College PR people could look >at from our friends at Hiram College. > >Mark P. '71 >___________________________________________________________________________ >RIGHT ANSWER, WRONG QUESTION >Ralph Keyes > >Reorganizing its curriculum around "Experiential Learning Communities" > (ELCs) is Antioch's latest answer to a crucial question: How can we > improve the quality of education our students receive? ELCs couldn't >hurt, >and might help. Learning communities are part of a broader trend toward > educating students in small, ongoing groups. Unlike most, Antioch's > version would integrate work experience with classwork. If implemented >well, ELCs could help retain students already on campus, a chronic problem >at Antioch (where so many of those who enroll don't stick around to >graduate). > >But will ELCs help attract new ones? I doubt it. That's why they are >the > right answer to the wrong question. The more important question this > approach does not address is "Why do so few students come to Antioch > in the first place?" > > The president of Antioch College recently told a reporter that 650 > students are enrolled there. Soon after that, Antioch University's vice > chancellor told a student publication that 600 of them were enrolled at >the >Yellow Springs campus. A few days later the university's comptroller put >the figure at "less than 600." There is a limit to how long a > tuition-driven college such as Antioch can survive with so few students. > > Before reorganizing its curriculum, Antioch needs to confront more > fundamental issues. Years of inept management have left the college > on a financial precipice. Antioch's most pressing problems have less to >do > > with pedagogy than with garden variety mismanagement: budgeting based on > optimistic revenue projections, virtually nonexistent public relations, > unreturned phone calls, low staff morale, and constant employee > turnover at all levels (to mention just a few problem areas). These >issues >aren't as sexy as the proposed ELCs, but in the long run tending to them >will do more for Antioch's survival prospects than overhauling its >curriculum. > > This isn't to say that learning communities are a bad idea. They > aren't. But - even with an experiential component - they're hardly > path-breaking (having been implemented at hundreds of other institutions >for the past couple of decades). Learning communities are probably >better >suited to larger, more conventional and impersonal institutions of higher > education. At a small, unconventional college such as Antioch, shifting >to >a learning community-based curriculum is at best an incremental change. >Not only that, this innovation sounds somewhat less than fresh to those >who >have been around Antioch for a while. Old-timers scratched their heads >when they heard about the ELC proposal and said "Come again?" To them it > brought to mind the late, unlamented "First Year Program" of the latter >1960s that kicked off Antioch's downward spiral. (The First Year >program > organized entering classes into small learning groups under faculty >tutelage.) Far from being groundbreaking, learning communities are a >march >back to Antioch' s future. > > They're also part of a long tradition of ambitious proposals to revive > the college that are doomed to failure because they do nothing to make > Antioch more appealing to a broader range of applicants. Last decade >Antioch trumpeted its goal of enrolling 800 students by the year 2000 >("800 >by 2000"). No realistic steps were taken to achieve this goal. Several > years later an ambitious new admissions program was brought into play, >one > that involved pricey consultants, added staff, and generous financial >aid > awards. This did not raise enrollment but did add to the deficit. Two >years later, the latest plan - the ELCs - was proposed in part to remedy > catastrophic budget shortfalls caused in part by the failure of previous >plans. > > Not coincidentally, ELCs make maximum use of limited resources. As > proposed, these learning groups would team 30 students with two > teachers. By changing its faculty-student ratio from 1:10 to 1:15, the >college could cut its payroll significantly. This is an implicit admission >that enrollment will probably remain static in the foreseeable future. > > Like most who have grappled with chronic problems at the college, the > task force that proposed ELCs avoided the question Antiochians dread: >How > can Antioch's basic template be redesigned to help it attract a type of > student who seldom applies there now? The college hopes ELCs will do >the > trick. Yet there's nothing about the concept of learning communities >that > will make Antioch more enticing to high school seniors who don't already >have it on their list. ELCs may do a better job of educating the type of >student Antioch already attracts, but they're unlikely to attract others. > > High school seniors who are determined to become Antiochians will > apply to the college regardless of its uneven academic program, trashed >dorm rooms, graffitied walls, crumbling library, and a Student Union that >looks as though its interior was decorated by Marilyn Manson. We already >know how many students are that determined: less than 600. > > To get beyond that figure Antioch will have to change in ways that > will help it attract additional students, ones who wouldn't apply to an > institution they now see as fringey. We're so accustomed to regarding >Antioch as a haven for those with unconventional lifestyles that we forget >it wasn't always so. The college has always appealed to independent >thinkers, but it has only been in recent years that this implied they also >had progressive political views and alternative ways of life. In the >not-too-distant past, Antioch's strong academic program, well-administered >campus, and unique work-study plan attracted students with a wide range >of >outlooks and lifestyles. In its heyday they raised the college's >enrollment to nearly 2000. Antioch will only flourish once again when it >comes up with ways to entice a broad, rather than a narrow range of >applicants. > > Ralph Keyes is a 1967 graduate of Antioch College. While there he > spent a year's leave of absence working as an assistant to former >Antioch > president Arthur E. Morgan. > >_____________________________________________________________________ >"At Hiram, intellectual and moral development is strengthened by the >experience of internships, field work, joint ventures and collaborative >research. Under the tutelage of a Hiram genetics professor, 10 Hiram >biology >students are collaborating to map the genome of a plant growth. They share >their results with a biotech company that will develop commercial >applications from the work. > >Experiential learning combines the "hard skills" training of the workplace >with the conceptual formation of the classroom. This mix of the >theoretical >and the practical produces hands-on thinkers who are effective in today's >competitive environment and equipped to see the emergence of tomorrow's. >Liberal arts education, with its cultivation of scientific, social and >cultural literacy, prepares the student for an increasingly diverse and >complex world. It is the education that mirrors the world in which we live >and shapes the leaders we require." > > >Scaldini is former president of Hiram College. > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 >3:26 PM > > > >_______________________________________________ >Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list >Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu >http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat > From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 22:40:02 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (marklp2@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jul 11 22:52:55 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] post your idea documents inside an e-mail. Message-ID: <071220070240.6270.46959482000000F10000187E2213575333CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Hey Scott, I never saw your and Bob's piece. Regarding Ralph's piece I think he was attacking the Renewal Plan and the policies that led to a lack of diversity at Antioch, not attacking your students. And if you think its relevant why not access it and post it yourself? I'm not everybody's secretary here. Mark P. '71 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Scott Warren" > Hey, Mark. > > If you're going to reprint this piece by Keyes, then you should reprint > the piece that Bob Devine and I wrote defending our students. It also > appeared in the Yellow Springs News, and you can access it by contacting > the Yellow Springs News. Let's keep this thing balanced! > > best, > > Scott > > > From Sistersara at aol.com Wed Jul 11 23:03:12 2007 From: Sistersara at aol.com (Sistersara@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 11 23:16:10 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting Message-ID: In a message dated 7/11/2007 5:51:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, DF@carnegie.org writes: The Board is concerned only with keeping Antioch College financially healthy so that its faculty, administration, and students can carry on their work. The health and well being of the College as a vital intellectual organization has been the center of the Board's attention. Dan -- as one of the older Antiochians on this board, I really question this fairly narrow understanding of the responsibility of the Board of Trustees. Yes, you do have a clear fiduciary responsibility given Antioch's charter from the State of Ohio. That is one part of it, and without question many very poor financial decisions have been made over the years that finally caught up with the current Trustees. Many of these decisions were not yours -- just as Bush wants to dump the Iraq war on to the next administration, the cumulative effect of all of it has been laid at this Board's feet. As I suggested several weeks ago, the need is for what the corporate world faces when they break down as an Enron did, you need a Forensic Audit. Not just the numbers, but the linked assumptions and decisions. I think it needs to go back at least to the tenure of Jim Dixon, because I believe the critical mistake was not to understand that the landscape shifted when the Nixon Administration ended Great Society programs and many HEW grant programs, (which should have altered planning and expansion assumptions), and realism about assets did not prevail. Once a pattern of not reading the landscape properly was established, it was easy for successive boards and administrations to keep following the same flawed path. If this Board of Trustees can accomplish such an audit -- a really hard nosed no illusions truth telling process -- you will be worth your weight in gold. But you have an additional mandate -- and in the end it is tough to meet. You have Mann's transcendentalist Antioch from the mid 19th Century, you have the near dead Antioch of the turn of the 20th Century, you have the re-invented Antioch of Morgan (and I would add, Charles Kettering), you have the mid-century Henderson and McGregor Antiochs, You have Gould's Antioch, Dixon's Antioch -- and then the various crisis management approaches thereafter. It is a very rich heritage, but it is filled with fragments of Trustees not doing critical oversight, not asking hard questions in a timely way, not keeping administrators on a careful leash, understanding they work for the Trustees and not the other way around. There are a good many of us who graduated and were respected because we had very hard earned Antioch degrees. We don't like either the symbolic (and real) trashing of the college assets or the very real devaluing of the intellectual product and the reputation behind our degrees. It is time for Trustees to step up to the plate and deal honestly with this. So what is wanted from these current Trustees. It is really quite simple, we want a clear plan for rebuilding Antioch College as a small but highly respected selective independent Liberal Arts College offering students of the 21st Century what many of us value profoundly. Those of us who understand something about Higher Education Economics know that in order to do this, you have to produce a plan that picks up on the demographics, and can attract a sufficient student body to support the plant and the faculty. Without both plant and quality faculty you do not have a college that can attract students. Please don't hire a bunch of consultants to figure this out at a high price -- do the DD yourselves, and write up your assumptions with proper footnoting as to why the assumptions are valid. Arthur Morgan did not hire consultants -- he was one. He was a social engineer as well as a civil engineer (admittedly self taught). There are lots of people on this list who are offering up pieces of a potential plan. Many of them not only know Antioch, but they have spent careers in non-profits or in Higher Ed, and comprehend huge pieces of Antioch's current set of problems. There are also many who are not participating but who may be reading, and who have much to offer. There happens to be a huge segment of older alumni who got turned off by false promises over the years, and who need to be assured that a New Antioch will be a serious project. And a good many are jaded, and want to see the full plan for the 2012 Antioch before they contribute a dime. Too much fake PR over the years, and too many failed promises or excuses tends to get that kind of response. So no more "team spirit" and no more cheerleading -- we need to see a detailed plan with all the numbers clearly thought through. Here are a couple of very specific questions I want answered in a Forensic Audit. What was done with the two million dollar grant from the Howard Hughes Medical Foundation for rebuilding Antioch's Science Program based on the proposal written in the name of or consulted and vouched for by Stephen J. Gould? I also want to know how Antioch would answer some of the questions Elliott Spitzer and Andrew Cuomo are asking about pay-off's to institutions and staff of institutions for not using the Direct Student Loan Program, but instead steering students to private lenders who in turn offered something of value to the institutions that steered the students to the lenders. I happen to think enslaving graduates to years of debt is a huge sin. For what? a nice luxury auto on lease for administrators? Come on -- get real. We don't win victories for humanity that way. ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From warren at antioch-college.edu Wed Jul 11 23:07:48 2007 From: warren at antioch-college.edu (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Jul 11 23:20:39 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] post your idea documents inside an e-mail. In-Reply-To: <071220070240.6270.46959482000000F10000187E2213575333CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> References: <071220070240.6270.46959482000000F10000187E2213575333CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: My mistake. I was thinking of an earlier piece he wrote. Sorry. best, Scott marklp2@comcast.net on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 10:40 PM wrote: >Hey Scott, > >I never saw your and Bob's piece. Regarding Ralph's piece I think he was >attacking the Renewal Plan and the policies that led to a lack of >diversity at Antioch, not attacking your students. And if you think its >relevant why not access it and post it yourself? I'm not everybody's >secretary here. > >Mark P. '71 > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Scott Warren" >> Hey, Mark. >> >> If you're going to reprint this piece by Keyes, then you should reprint >> the piece that Bob Devine and I wrote defending our students. It also >> appeared in the Yellow Springs News, and you can access it by contacting >> the Yellow Springs News. Let's keep this thing balanced! >> >> best, >> >> Scott >> >> >> > > From marklp2 at comcast.net Wed Jul 11 23:22:32 2007 From: marklp2 at comcast.net (marklp2@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jul 11 23:35:24 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Re: [SaveAntioch] Notes from the 7/9 New York meeting Message-ID: <071220070322.29587.46959E7800044C4E000073932213575333CD9F04059D0E03@comcast.net> I would echo Sally in that for the five years that I have been attempting to get a hearing from and start a dialogue with this BOT re: ideas involving social entrepreneurship and entrepreneurial leadership, a subject that I am considered an authority on, I have been regarded so indifferently, bordering on discourtesy, that I am amazed sometimes that I even persevere with this. There is only one reason and that is the enormous potential and value that I still see in Antioch and that I desperately do not want to be squandered. Mark P. '71 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sistersara@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/11/2007 5:51:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > DF@carnegie.org writes: > > The Board is > concerned only with keeping Antioch College financially healthy so that > its faculty, administration, and students can carry on their work. The > health and well being of the College as a vital intellectual > organization has been the center of the Board's attention. > > > > Dan -- as one of the older Antiochians on this board, I really question this > fairly narrow understanding of the responsibility of the Board of Trustees. > Yes, you do have a clear fiduciary responsibility given Antioch's charter > from the State of Ohio. That is one part of it, and without question many very > poor financial decisions have been made over the years that finally caught > up with the current Trustees. Many of these decisions were not yours -- just > as Bush wants to dump the Iraq war on to the next administration, the > cumulative effect of all of it has been laid at this Board's feet. As I > suggested > several weeks ago, the need is for what the corporate world faces when they > break down as an Enron did, you need a Forensic Audit. Not just the numbers, > but the linked assumptions and decisions. I think it needs to go back at > least to the tenure of Jim Dixon, because I believe the critical mistake was > not > to understand that the landscape shifted when the Nixon Administration ended > Great Society programs and many HEW grant programs, (which should have > altered planning and expansion assumptions), and realism about assets did not > prevail. Once a pattern of not reading the landscape properly was established, > it > was easy for successive boards and administrations to keep following the > same flawed path. If this Board of Trustees can accomplish such an audit -- a > really hard nosed no illusions truth telling process -- you will be worth your > weight in gold. > > But you have an additional mandate -- and in the end it is tough to meet. > You have Mann's transcendentalist Antioch from the mid 19th Century, you have > the near dead Antioch of the turn of the 20th Century, you have the > re-invented Antioch of Morgan (and I would add, Charles Kettering), you have the > mid-century Henderson and McGregor Antiochs, You have Gould's Antioch, Dixon's > Antioch -- and then the various crisis management approaches thereafter. It is > a very rich heritage, but it is filled with fragments of Trustees not doing > critical oversight, not asking hard questions in a timely way, not keeping > administrators on a careful leash, understanding they work for the Trustees and > not the other way around. There are a good many of us who graduated and were > respected because we had very hard earned Antioch degrees. We don't like > either the symbolic (and real) trashing of the college assets or the very real > devaluing of the intellectual product and the reputation behind our degrees. > It is time for Trustees to step up to the plate and deal honestly with this. > > > So what is wanted from these current Trustees. It is really quite simple, > we want a clear plan for rebuilding Antioch College as a small but highly > respected selective independent Liberal Arts College offering students of the > 21st Century what many of us value profoundly. Those of us who understand > something about Higher Education Economics know that in order to do this, you > have > to produce a plan that picks up on the demographics, and can attract a > sufficient student body to support the plant and the faculty. Without both > plant > and quality faculty you do not have a college that can attract students. > Please don't hire a bunch of consultants to figure this out at a high price -- > do the DD yourselves, and write up your assumptions with proper footnoting as > to why the assumptions are valid. Arthur Morgan did not hire consultants -- > he was one. He was a social engineer as well as a civil engineer (admittedly > self taught). > > There are lots of people on this list who are offering up pieces of a > potential plan. Many of them not only know Antioch, but they have spent > careers in > non-profits or in Higher Ed, and comprehend huge pieces of Antioch's current > set of problems. There are also many who are not participating but who may > be reading, and who have much to offer. There happens to be a huge segment > of older alumni who got turned off by false promises over the years, and who > need to be assured that a New Antioch will be a serious project. And a good > many are jaded, and want to see the full plan for the 2012 Antioch before they > contribute a dime. Too much fake PR over the years, and too many failed > promises or excuses tends to get that kind of response. So no more "team > spirit" and no more cheerleading -- we need to see a detailed plan with all the > numbers clearly thought through. > > Here are a couple of very specific questions I want answered in a Forensic > Audit. What was done with the two million dollar grant from the Howard Hughes > Medical Foundation for rebuilding Antioch's Science Program based on the > proposal written in the name of or consulted and vouched for by Stephen J. > Gould? > > I also want to know how Antioch would answer some of the questions Elliott > Spitzer and Andrew Cuomo are asking about pay-off's to institutions and staff > of institutions for not using the Direct Student Loan Program, but instead > steering students to private lenders who in turn offered something of value to > the institutions that steered the students to the lenders. I happen to think > enslaving graduates to years of debt is a huge sin. For what? a nice luxury > auto on lease for administrators? Come on -- get real. We don't win > victories for humanity that way. > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > Antioch College Alumni-chat mailing list > Alumni-chat@w3.antioch.edu > http://w3.antioch.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni-chat From timothynoble at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 00:13:26 2007 From: timothynoble at gmail.com (Tim Noble) Date: Thu Jul 12 00:26:19 2007 Subject: [Alumni-chat] Colorado Alumni Gathering on July 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forwarded from Nancy Crow to saveantioch and alumni-chat Notes Nancy: "In addition to me, Alumni Board Members Rick Daily and Ed Goldson will be there as well as former Alumni Association President and former Trustee John Feinberg." Be ashamed to let it die! Thanks for all that you do and will continue to do. Subject: Antioch College Colorado Alumni Gathering - July 14, 2007 Antioch College Alumni and Friends You likely don't know me, but you know my wife, Nancy Crow, very well. Nancy is the President of the Antioch College Alumni Association. As such she is leading the effort to sustain Antioch College for the n